An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:



On Oct 29, 12:44 am, Noinden <noin... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Oct 28, 9:25 pm, Noinden <noin... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Oct 28, 8:59 pm, Noinden <noin... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 28, 3:38 pm, An Coibhi Drui
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wrote:

On Oct 28, 12:15 pm, Noinden <noin... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Oct 28, 12:03 am, Sizzle Flambé
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wrote:

On Oct 23, 5:14 pm, An Coibhi Drui
photographerofkilke... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:

Of course ! This is exactly what separates me and
my
kind
from that
half-caste Maori in Milwaukee

Ethnically and geographically off. I think since June
it's
been
"Scot in Syracuse".

I'm only visiting that on a semi regular basis. I am NOT
leaving
a
stable job to job hunt in the Pharma industry But a
good
lable none
the less

Yes, I heard that you recently got a casual job cleaning
out
a
stable
on a regular basis - at least you are showing some
initiative
by
going
to work at last - unlike Dan who has degenerated so far
that
he is
unemployable by now .

Cheers,
Michael .

Wow you must be more addled than I thought. I've been going
to
work
longer than you have been posting here.

Whatever, I like to see a man rehabilitating himself by work,
it's
the
best way, the works of Gurdjieff of whom I am a great fan,
should
be
useful to you in your re-training and rehabilitation, I
recommend
them
throroughly to you.

Cheers,
Michael .

Funny I worked right through my thesis an ever since I don't
need
retraining. You however as a life long leech of the social
welfare
system could do with some.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As a business professional, I would be arrested if I claimed
sociial
welfare - but leave that to the Polish welfare touriists here !

Cheers,
Michael .

PS : But, like my family, I contribute toowards the welfare
systtem
here through my taxes !

Keep telling us that George. But we all know you are a proven and
admitted liar. You even said Sizzle was a navy officer.- Hide quoted
text -

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It is YOU who is a LIAR and unmitigated SCOUNDREL

Sorry George but you are the one caught in lie after lie Oh and not
invited to Tara anymore

On Oct 28, 9:25 pm, Noinden <noin... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:





On Oct 28, 8:59 pm, Noinden <noin... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 28, 3:38 pm, An Coibhi Drui
photographerofkilke... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:

On Oct 28, 12:15 pm, Noinden <noin... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Oct 28, 12:03 am, Sizzle Flambé <sizzle.fla... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:

On Oct 23, 5:14 pm, An Coibhi Drui
photographerofkilke... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:

Of course ! This is exactly what separates me and my
kind
from that
half-caste Maori in Milwaukee

Ethnically and geographically off. I think since June it's
been
"Scot in Syracuse".

I'm only visiting that on a semi regular basis. I am NOT
leaving
a
stable job to job hunt in the Pharma industry But a good
lable none
the less

Yes, I heard that you recently got a casual job cleaning out
a
stable
on a regular basis - at least you are showing some initiative
by
going
to work at last - unlike Dan who has degenerated so far that
he is
unemployable by now .

Cheers,
Michael .

Wow you must be more addled than I thought. I've been going to
work
longer than you have been posting here.

Whatever, I like to see a man rehabilitating himself by work, it's
the
best way, the works of Gurdjieff of whom I am a great fan, should
be
useful to you in your re-training and rehabilitation, I recommend
them
throroughly to you.

Cheers,
Michael .

Funny I worked right through my thesis an ever since I don't need
retraining. You however as a life long leech of the social welfare
system could do with some.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As a business professional, I would be arrested if I claimed sociial
welfare - but leave that to the Polish welfare touriists here !

Cheers,
Michael .

PS : But, like my family, I contribute toowards the welfare systtem
here through my taxes !

[....]
There seem to be druids here that view themselves as having a
globalised function for good or bad and they dont favour tradition at all.

On Oct 29, 12:44 am, Noinden <noin... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:





On Oct 28, 9:25 pm, Noinden <noin... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Oct 28, 8:59 pm, Noinden <noin... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 28, 3:38 pm, An Coibhi Drui
photographerofkilke... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:

On Oct 28, 12:15 pm, Noinden <noin... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Oct 28, 12:03 am, Sizzle Flambé
sizzle.fla... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:

On Oct 23, 5:14 pm, An Coibhi Drui
photographerofkilke... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:

Of course ! This is exactly what separates me and
my
kind
from that
half-caste Maori in Milwaukee

Ethnically and geographically off. I think since June
it's
been
"Scot in Syracuse".

I'm only visiting that on a semi regular basis. I am NOT
leaving
a
stable job to job hunt in the Pharma industry But a
good
lable none
the less

Yes, I heard that you recently got a casual job cleaning
out
a
stable
on a regular basis - at least you are showing some
initiative
by
going
to work at last - unlike Dan who has degenerated so far
that
he is
unemployable by now .

Cheers,
Michael .

Wow you must be more addled than I thought. I've been going
to
work
longer than you have been posting here.

Whatever, I like to see a man rehabilitating himself by work,
it's
the
best way, the works of Gurdjieff of whom I am a great fan,
should
be
useful to you in your re-training and rehabilitation, I
recommend
them
throroughly to you.

Cheers,
Michael .

Funny I worked right through my thesis an ever since I don't
need
retraining. You however as a life long leech of the social
welfare
system could do with some.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As a business professional, I would be arrested if I claimed
sociial
welfare - but leave that to the Polish welfare touriists here !

Cheers,
Michael .

PS : But, like my family, I contribute toowards the welfare
systtem
here through my taxes !

Keep telling us that George. But we all know you are a proven and
admitted liar. You even said Sizzle was a navy officer.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

It is YOU who is a LIAR and unmitigated SCOUNDREL

On Oct 29, 1:54 pm, "Byrne.M.James" <byrne.m.ja... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Oct 29, 3:54 pm, Noinden <noin... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

I am not saying you are not entitled to the belief that Irish culture
is continuous, or that you can practice how you like.  However at the
same time you are making no effort to see where others are coming
from. QED. I am giving you back what you give out.

If your belief is that Irish isnt 'celtic' and Irish people arent
'Celts' then we are coming from the same place. What effort do I need
to make to see where youre coming from?

James

My belief is that the Irish are part of the remnants of the varios
"Celtic" people. Language, culture (a caste based system with Druids,
Warriors, commoners, and the outcasts etc) etc.

They are their own culture just as our ancetors would walk into a
modern town and be flumoxed by the churches, and lack of other things
they recognised.

You can say the Irish are not Celts and you would be right. But not
for the reasons waved about. NO ONE is Celtic now. No matter how much
they like to think they are. Simialrly the English are neither Anglo
Saxons, Britons, or Normans, or the pre Celtic culture. They are
modern. But there are aspects of all of those still there. It would be
like saying 1066 did not happen.

So lets return to "genetics". You can't tell a culture via genetics.
You can tell migration patterns a little, though isotope analysis is
much better at that.

Youc an tell which mitochondrial clan and which Y chromosome clan you
come from, and that gives more evidence.

I'm a gael by ancestry, and a little by culture. I am not a Scot
(though I attended a Scots style schoo, was part of a pipe band for a
bit, and speak as much scots Gaelic as Irish Gaelic and Manx Gaelic).

You even said Sizzle was a navy officer.

On Oct 29, 3:05 am, Kent <kent... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:



On Oct 28, 6:17 pm, "1X2Willows" <nos... at (no spam) least.invalid> wrote:

Byrne.M.James wrote:

[....]
There seem to be druids here that view themselves as having a
globalised function for good or bad and they dont favour tradition at all.

Kinda' odd but I can't think of a single person in here who would fit the
description. Ole Zeke Krahlin maybe? Naah not even him. Even he
goes by a tradition which is at least as old as Stuckley's library.   :-)

Obviously the boy's never heard of adaptation.

Just because an organism adapts to its surroundings, that doesn't make
the organism any less than what it initially was.

well since Im in the third party again I can jump in here without
causing offense, right?

Adaptation is fine with me. Modernity works away on its own
undermining traditional cultures so as a 'Druid', a word from a
'celtic' language supposedly indicating the leaders of a certain
culture, IMO your first concern should be those cultures and its a
dodgy thing to avoid any links with the cultures in question and to
use the label for something that could as easily be described as
shamanism or witchcraft.

On Oct 29, 2:55 am, "Byrne.M.James" <byrne.m.ja... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:



On Oct 29, 3:05 am, Kent <kent... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Oct 28, 6:17 pm, "1X2Willows" <nos... at (no spam) least.invalid> wrote:

Byrne.M.James wrote:

[....]
There seem to be druids here that view themselves as having a
globalised function for good or bad and they dont favour tradition at all.

Kinda' odd but I can't think of a single person in here who would fit the
description. Ole Zeke Krahlin maybe? Naah not even him. Even he
goes by a tradition which is at least as old as Stuckley's library. :-)

Obviously the boy's never heard of adaptation.

Just because an organism adapts to its surroundings, that doesn't make
the organism any less than what it initially was.

well since Im in the third party again I can jump in here without
causing offense, right?

Third party, well, yes you often are, as adults generally talk about
children more than to them. Isn't this true, 'o one whose beard is
naught but a collection of grasses?



Adaptation is fine with me. Modernity works away on its own
undermining traditional cultures so as a 'Druid', a word from a
'celtic' language supposedly indicating the leaders of a certain
culture, IMO your first concern should be those cultures and its a
dodgy thing to avoid any links with the cultures in question and to
use the label for something that could as easily be described as
shamanism or witchcraft.

You miss a lot of the picture of real life and the way the real world
works, don't you "Grassbeard"?

ANY Druid that is around and practicing RIGHT NOW is a MODERN Druid.
Can't you see that? Or, do you think that there are still "Ancient"
Druids alive today?

I never said that I dodged any links to the cultures that brought
about Druidry. I have ancestors from Wales, Britain, and Gaul. I study
the existing material in relation to Druidry from Ireland, Wales, and
up above Hadrian's wall...and PRACTICE these things as well, although
drawn to the Cymric aspect more than the others. Heck, here in a few
days, I'll be setting out a platter of pork and apples next to a small
dish of water for the ancestors to wash and refresh themselves
(Matthew may have heard of that tradition). I LIVE Druidry, never
forgetting its origins, never forgetting my own as well, from the
moment I rise until I fall asleep at night. Yes, I'm part of a Druid
Order that has roots in the 17th Century CE "Druid Revival", but that
is only a part of what I practice and who I am, certainly NOT the
totality.

BUT! I am NOT a Welshman, Irishman, Gael, or Scot. I am an American.
As an American with blood of some of the "Celtic Nations" in my veins,
I've felt a "call" to practice Druidry...and I practice it on the soil
that my ancestors chose to make their home. I'll never claim to be an
"Irish" Druid, a "Welsh" Druid, nor any of the other "Celtic Nations".
I am, and always will be an American Druid, practicing for nearly half
of my life now (which is well over TWICE the span of yours,
Grassbeard), in what is MY native land...AMERICA. I RESPECT and HONOR
the Cultures that shaped who and what I am, AND how they shaped my
Spirituality. I do not undermine, nor dilute them in any way.

So, Grassbeard...from the heel of what Sage do you come from?

Perhaps you need to go back and learn until you know what a "Sprig of
Sanicle" is...in otherwords, you need more learning!

On Oct 29, 2:55 am, "Byrne.M.James" <byrne.m.ja... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:





On Oct 29, 3:05 am, Kent <kent... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Oct 28, 6:17 pm, "1X2Willows" <nos... at (no spam) least.invalid> wrote:

Byrne.M.James wrote:

[....]
There seem to be druids here that view themselves as having a
globalised function for good or bad and they dont favour tradition at all.

Kinda' odd but I can't think of a single person in here who would fit the
description. Ole Zeke Krahlin maybe? Naah not even him. Even he
goes by a tradition which is at least as old as Stuckley's library.   :-)

Obviously the boy's never heard of adaptation.

Just because an organism adapts to its surroundings, that doesn't make
the organism any less than what it initially was.

well since Im in the third party again I can jump in here without
causing offense, right?

Third party, well, yes you often are, as adults generally talk about
children more than to them. Isn't this true, 'o one whose beard is
naught but a collection of grasses?



Adaptation is fine with me. Modernity works away on its own
undermining traditional cultures so as a 'Druid', a word from a
'celtic' language supposedly indicating the leaders of a certain
culture, IMO your first concern should be those cultures and its a
dodgy thing to avoid any links with the cultures in question and to
use the label for something that could as easily be described as
shamanism or witchcraft.

You miss a lot of the picture of real life and the way the real world
works, don't you "Grassbeard"?

ANY Druid that is around and practicing RIGHT NOW is a MODERN Druid.
Can't you see that? Or, do you think that there are still "Ancient"
Druids alive today?

I never said that I dodged any links to the cultures that brought
about Druidry. I have ancestors from Wales, Britain, and Gaul. I study
the existing material in relation to Druidry from Ireland, Wales, and
up above Hadrian's wall...and PRACTICE these things as well, although
drawn to the Cymric aspect more than the others. Heck, here in a few
days, I'll be setting out a platter of pork and apples next to a small
dish of water for the ancestors to wash and refresh themselves
(Matthew may have heard of that tradition). I LIVE Druidry, never
forgetting its origins, never forgetting my own as well, from the
moment I rise until I fall asleep at night. Yes, I'm part of a Druid
Order that has roots in the 17th Century CE "Druid Revival", but that
is only a part of what I practice and who I am, certainly NOT the
totality.

BUT! I am NOT a Welshman, Irishman, Gael, or Scot. I am an American.
As an American with blood of some of the "Celtic Nations" in my veins,
I've felt a "call" to practice Druidry...and I practice it on the soil
that my ancestors chose to make their home. I'll never claim to be an
"Irish" Druid, a "Welsh" Druid, nor any of the other "Celtic Nations".
I am, and always will be an American Druid, practicing for nearly half
of my life now (which is well over TWICE the span of yours,
Grassbeard), in what is MY native land...AMERICA. I RESPECT and HONOR
the Cultures that shaped who and what I am, AND how they shaped my
Spirituality. I do not undermine, nor dilute them in any way.

So, Grassbeard...from the heel of what Sage do you come from?

Perhaps you need to go back and learn until you know what a "Sprig of
Sanicle" is...in otherwords, you need more learning!- Hide quoted text -

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Kent wrote:
On Oct 28, 6:17 pm, "1X2Willows" wrote:
Byrne.M.James wrote:

[....]
There seem to be druids here that view themselves as having a
globalised function for good or bad and they dont favour tradition
at all.

Kinda' odd but I can't think of a single person in here who would
fit the description. Ole Zeke Krahlin maybe? Naah not even him. Even
he
goes by a tradition which is at least as old as Stuckley's library.
:-)

Obviously the boy's never heard of adaptation.

Just because an organism adapts to its surroundings, that doesn't make
the organism any less than what it initially was.

You mean like those Dudes who landed on Beltane?

Yeah!

Haven't seen them whining about the aulde sod either!   - Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Byrne.M.James wrote:

Adaptation is fine with me. Modernity works away on its own
undermining traditional cultures so as a 'Druid', a word from a
'celtic' language supposedly indicating the leaders of a certain
culture, IMO your first concern should be those cultures and its a
dodgy thing to avoid any links with the cultures in question and to
use the label for something that could as easily be described as
shamanism or witchcraft.

Witchcraft! Good one.
Exactly what the church also in Ireland called it and still does, ennit

Perhaps you need to go back and learn until you know what a "Sprig of
Sanicle" is...in otherwords, you need more learning!

What kind of Sanicle?

Perhaps you need to go back and learn until you know what a "Sprig of
Sanicle" is...in otherwords, you need more learning!

What kind of Sanicle?

Grassbeard? TBH I can only imagine it would be the greatest of all
compliments to be compared to the divine child born with imbas like Cu
Chulainn or Fionn. Since you dont know why those people were painting
beards on themselves despite having families and the status of adults
I'll take it as the insult it was intended as and throw a huff here
before bed time.

These are my genuine opinions and I hope I do learn some things
through interacting on ARD with lads whove been around as long as you
have. I dont mean to upset you but when you started out 30 years ago
the internet wasnt around and paganism spread through networking.
Because the US and Ireland are so far apart the two groups were
naturally different and neither was confronted by the differences.
Youre going to come across conflicts now that you never have before
now that the world wide web brings us closer together and the
comparasons can be made. Im genuinely sorry if it upsets you, its crap
being upset by something online because any attempts to resolve things
only frustrates the issue.

Im not that much of unique and special a person and most of the Irish
pagans I know  would have similar opinions to mine, so Id imagine that
as time goes by you'll meet more and more like me. I think that state
of affiars is well overdue. Look at the amount of input Irish people
have had in shaping 'Celtic Paganism'. For all the attention Celtic
Paganism pays to Irish cultural property Irish people really havent
shaped it at all. I anticipate a greater input in the future.
Hopefully it wont be all frustration and name calling but if you dont
like that people are different then you'll go to your grave
frustrated. You cant turn the tide of culture if 800 years of war
didnt manage it.

On Oct 28, 6:17 pm, "1X2Willows" wrote:
Byrne.M.James wrote:

[....]
There seem to be druids here that view themselves as having a
globalised function for good or bad and they dont favour tradition
at all.

Kinda' odd but I can't think of a single person in here who would
fit the description. Ole Zeke Krahlin maybe? Naah not even him. Even
he
goes by a tradition which is at least as old as Stuckley's library.
:-)

Obviously the boy's never heard of adaptation.

Just because an organism adapts to its surroundings, that doesn't make
the organism any less than what it initially was.