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| J... |
 Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 10:22 pm |
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Critics of the RCC should turn their anti-Christian eyes towards the
Orthodox Jewish community to see how organized denial and shielding of the
guilty is really done. This has been a dirty little secret among the Hasids
and others in the community for too long. At least the Vatican has made
great strides towards making amends for past discretions; the orthodox
should learn by example.
http://www.thejc.com/news/world-news/21038/
Orthodox 'shielding sex abusers'
A New York State Supreme Court judge has criticised the Orthodox community
for shielding perpetrators of sexual abuse while persecuting victims.
Judge Gustin Reichbach lamented the community's "circle-the-wagons attitude"
as he sentenced Yona Weinberg, a barmitzvah tutor and social worker from
Brooklyn, to 13 months in jail for molesting two boys.
At the sentencing earlier this month, the courtroom was filled with Weinberg's
supporters. Almost 100 members of the Orthodox community wrote letters to
the judge defending him.
Judge Reichbach lamented that no letters displayed "any concern or even any
acknowledgement for these young victims which, frankly, I find shameful".
Rather, the community "seeks to blame, indeed punish, victims who seek
justice from... civil society".
Sexual abuse has become a highly contentious issue in the US Orthodox
community following a string of cases involving well-known teachers and
rabbis. Over the past year, 26 strictly Orthodox men have been arrested in
Brooklyn in child sexual abuse cases; eight have been convicted and 18 await
trial.
The strictly Orthodox are statistically no more likely to experience sexual
abuse than any other group. But the problem is often exacerbated because
there is pressure on victims not to go to the police, due to a suspicion of
secular society and a fear of bringing shame on the community. In some
cases, parents worry that revealing abuse might harm chances of a shidduch.
Meanwhile, some community leaders prefer to act solely through a beth din.
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| Ray Fischer... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:20 pm |
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duke <duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
Quote: On 19 Oct 2009 05:01:00 GMT, rfischer at (no spam) sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
J <Jvisions at (no spam) live.com> wrote:
Critics of the RCC should turn their anti-Christian
The RCC is not Christianity, nazi turd. It is a corruption of
Christianity.
Actually, the RCC is the Church founded by Christ,
No it isn't. That's just more bullshit from a corrupt cult.
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| duke... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:58 pm |
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On 20 Oct 2009 03:20:29 GMT, rfischer at (no spam) sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Quote: duke <duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On 19 Oct 2009 05:01:00 GMT, rfischer at (no spam) sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
J <Jvisions at (no spam) live.com> wrote:
Critics of the RCC should turn their anti-Christian
The RCC is not Christianity, nazi turd. It is a corruption of
Christianity.
Actually, the RCC is the Church founded by Christ,
No it isn't. That's just more bullshit from a corrupt cult.
It's in the bible.
The Dukester, American-American
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| •R.L.Measures... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:49 pm |
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In article <k29sd55i3vof01650h9unvmod2qv24c5rr at (no spam) 4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
Quote: On 20 Oct 2009 03:20:29 GMT, rfischer at (no spam) sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
duke <duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On 19 Oct 2009 05:01:00 GMT, rfischer at (no spam) sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
J <Jvisions at (no spam) live.com> wrote:
Critics of the RCC should turn their anti-Christian
The RCC is not Christianity, nazi turd. It is a corruption of
Christianity.
Actually, the RCC is the Church founded by Christ,
No it isn't. That's just more bullshit from a corrupt cult.
It's in the bible.
• only with a considerable amount of RC spin, repeated suggeation by a
key charismatic leader, peer group pressure, and a vivid imagination.
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| The Chief Instigator... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:09 pm |
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:58:12 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
Quote: On 20 Oct 2009 03:20:29 GMT, rfischer at (no spam) sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
duke <duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On 19 Oct 2009 05:01:00 GMT, rfischer at (no spam) sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
J <Jvisions at (no spam) live.com> wrote:
Critics of the RCC should turn their anti-Christian
The RCC is not Christianity, nazi turd. It is a corruption of
Christianity.
Actually, the RCC is the Church founded by Christ,
No it isn't. That's just more bullshit from a corrupt cult.
It's in the bible.
....which has only been bullshit from a corrupt cult for a hair over two
millennia.
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| •R.L.Measures... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:17 pm |
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In article <slrnhdsgp8.23v0.patrick at (no spam) eris.io.com>, patrick at (no spam) io.com wrote:
Quote: On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:58:12 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On 20 Oct 2009 03:20:29 GMT, rfischer at (no spam) sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
duke <duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On 19 Oct 2009 05:01:00 GMT, rfischer at (no spam) sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
J <Jvisions at (no spam) live.com> wrote:
Critics of the RCC should turn their anti-Christian
The RCC is not Christianity, nazi turd. It is a corruption of
Christianity.
Actually, the RCC is the Church founded by Christ,
No it isn't. That's just more bullshit from a corrupt cult.
It's in the bible.
...which has only been bullshit from a corrupt cult for a hair over two
millennia.
** RC doctrine came about mainly in the 4th century. RCism became
successful under Pope Gregory I, (590-604) .
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| •R.L.Measures... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:42 pm |
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In article <u14vd5pdjiddd8t9pjerrn44rrqtrrleok at (no spam) 4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
Quote: On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:49:56 -0700, r at (no spam) somis.org (•R.L.Measures) wrote:
In article <k29sd55i3vof01650h9unvmod2qv24c5rr at (no spam) 4ax.com>, duke
duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On 20 Oct 2009 03:20:29 GMT, rfischer at (no spam) sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
duke <duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On 19 Oct 2009 05:01:00 GMT, rfischer at (no spam) sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
J <Jvisions at (no spam) live.com> wrote:
Critics of the RCC should turn their anti-Christian
The RCC is not Christianity, nazi turd. It is a corruption of
Christianity.
Actually, the RCC is the Church founded by Christ,
No it isn't. That's just more bullshit from a corrupt cult.
It's in the bible.
• only with a considerable amount of RC spin, repeated suggeation by a
key charismatic leader, peer group pressure, and a vivid imagination.
The RCC is far and away the Church that offers the complete
characteristics that
Christ have his Church. Better luck next time.
• Christ apparently forgot to mention one hell of a lot of stuff Duke.
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| Ray Fischer... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:12 pm |
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duke <duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
Quote: On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:49:56 -0700, r at (no spam) somis.org (•R.L.Measures) wrote:
In article <k29sd55i3vof01650h9unvmod2qv24c5rr at (no spam) 4ax.com>, duke
duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On 20 Oct 2009 03:20:29 GMT, rfischer at (no spam) sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
duke <duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On 19 Oct 2009 05:01:00 GMT, rfischer at (no spam) sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
J <Jvisions at (no spam) live.com> wrote:
Critics of the RCC should turn their anti-Christian
The RCC is not Christianity, nazi turd. It is a corruption of
Christianity.
Actually, the RCC is the Church founded by Christ,
No it isn't. That's just more bullshit from a corrupt cult.
It's in the bible.
• only with a considerable amount of RC spin, repeated suggeation by a
key charismatic leader, peer group pressure, and a vivid imagination.
The RCC is far and away the Church that offers the complete characteristics that
Christ have his Church.
Except that the RCC directly opposes much of what Jesus taught and
works to undermine and pervert His message.
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| Ray Fischer... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:13 pm |
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duke <duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
Quote: rfischer at (no spam) sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
duke <duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On 20 Oct 2009 03:20:29 GMT, rfischer at (no spam) sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
duke <duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On 19 Oct 2009 05:01:00 GMT, rfischer at (no spam) sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
J <Jvisions at (no spam) live.com> wrote:
Critics of the RCC should turn their anti-Christian
The RCC is not Christianity, nazi turd. It is a corruption of
Christianity.
Actually, the RCC is the Church founded by Christ,
No it isn't. That's just more bullshit from a corrupt cult.
It's in the bible.
Written by the catholic church.
Correction, revealed by God
So the church claims.
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| Jimbo... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:33 pm |
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On Oct 22, 7:25 pm, r... at (no spam) somis.org (•R.L.Measures) wrote:
Quote: In article
1d15d9ce-5eec-4def-9e87-49727e1b5... at (no spam) z34g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, Jimbo
ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 22, 12:25=A0pm, r... at (no spam) somis.org (=95R.L.Measures) wrote:
In article <dj01e59r0cpj2rm91j62e499q96iv6r... at (no spam) 4ax.com>, duke
duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:42:10 -0700, r... at (no spam) somis.org (=95R.L.Measures) wr> > ote:
In article <u14vd5pdjiddd8t9pjerrn44rrqtrrl... at (no spam) 4ax.com>, duke
duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:49:56 -0700, r... at (no spam) somis.org (=95R.L.Measures)> > wrote:
In article <k29sd55i3vof01650h9unvmod2qv24c... at (no spam) 4ax.com>, duke
duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On 20 Oct 2009 03:20:29 GMT, rfisc... at (no spam) sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wro> > te:
duke =A0<duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On 19 Oct 2009 05:01:00 GMT, rfisc... at (no spam) sonic.net (Ray Fischer) w> > rote:
J <Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com> wrote:
Critics of the RCC should turn their anti-Christian
The RCC is not Christianity, nazi turd. =A0It is a corruption > > of
Christianity.
Actually, the RCC is the Church founded by Christ,
No it isn't. =A0That's just more bullshit from a corrupt cult.
It's in the bible.
=95 =A0only with a considerable amount of RC spin, repeated suggeat> > ion by a
key charismatic leader, peer group pressure, and a vivid imaginatio> > n.
The RCC is far and away the Church that offers the complete
characteristics that
Christ have his Church. =A0Better luck next time.
=95 =A0Christ apparently forgot to mention one hell of a lot of stuff > > Duke.
Nope, he told all men not to diddle kids. =A0And the step father is #1 > > violator.
=95 =A0'Tis true, that c. 12% of stepfathers do It with the stepchildren > > - so
that excuses the 8 - 9 % of priests who diddle kids? =A0
There is also the fact that if the wife is aware of the abuse, and
does nothing to prevent it, or further promotes it, she shares in the
guilt, if convicted, of the crime. That is the real issue behind the
pedophile priest issue. The church hierarchy, and particularly the
diocese hierarchy, were well aware of most of these perverts early in
their career, but chose to allow them to continue molesting
children. What a sick organization.
• Indeed. Perhaps they actually began to believe in the pope's infallibility?
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That would be my guess, a victim of their own hubris. |
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| Attila... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:28 pm |
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On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:05:39 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<8m01e5hqcrcovvhhp67e5sqmdr3v2g6msb at (no spam) 4ax.com> wrote:
Quote: On 22 Oct 2009 02:13:01 GMT, rfischer at (no spam) sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
duke <duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
rfischer at (no spam) sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
duke <duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On 20 Oct 2009 03:20:29 GMT, rfischer at (no spam) sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
duke <duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On 19 Oct 2009 05:01:00 GMT, rfischer at (no spam) sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
J <Jvisions at (no spam) live.com> wrote:
Critics of the RCC should turn their anti-Christian
The RCC is not Christianity, nazi turd. It is a corruption of
Christianity.
Actually, the RCC is the Church founded by Christ,
No it isn't. That's just more bullshit from a corrupt cult.
It's in the bible.
Written by the catholic church.
Correction, revealed by God
So the church claims.
So God stated.
Prove any god stated anything.
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| •R.L.Measures... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:35 pm |
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In article
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<ckdbigtoe at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: On Oct 22, 7:25=A0pm, r... at (no spam) somis.org (=95R.L.Measures) wrote:
In article
1d15d9ce-5eec-4def-9e87-49727e1b5... at (no spam) z34g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, Jimb=
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ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 22, 12:25=3DA0pm, r... at (no spam) somis.org (=3D95R.L.Measures) wrote:
In article <dj01e59r0cpj2rm91j62e499q96iv6r... at (no spam) 4ax.com>, duke
duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:42:10 -0700, r... at (no spam) somis.org (=3D95R.L.Measur=
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ote:
In article <u14vd5pdjiddd8t9pjerrn44rrqtrrl... at (no spam) 4ax.com>, duke
duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:49:56 -0700, r... at (no spam) somis.org (=3D95R.L.Mea=
sures)=3D
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In article <k29sd55i3vof01650h9unvmod2qv24c... at (no spam) 4ax.com>, duke
duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On 20 Oct 2009 03:20:29 GMT, rfisc... at (no spam) sonic.net (Ray Fischer)=
wro=3D
te:
duke =3DA0<duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On 19 Oct 2009 05:01:00 GMT, rfisc... at (no spam) sonic.net (Ray Fische=
r) w=3D
rote:
J <Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com> wrote:
Critics of the RCC should turn their anti-Christian
The RCC is not Christianity, nazi turd. =3DA0It is a corru=
ption =3D
of
Christianity.
Actually, the RCC is the Church founded by Christ,
No it isn't. =3DA0That's just more bullshit from a corrupt c=
ult.
It's in the bible.
=3D95 =3DA0only with a considerable amount of RC spin, repeated=
suggeat=3D
ion by a
key charismatic leader, peer group pressure, and a vivid imagin=
atio=3D
n.
The RCC is far and away the Church that offers the complete
characteristics that
Christ have his Church. =3DA0Better luck next time.
=3D95 =3DA0Christ apparently forgot to mention one hell of a lot o=
f stuff =3D
Duke.
Nope, he told all men not to diddle kids. =3DA0And the step father =
is #1 =3D
violator.
=3D95 =3DA0'Tis true, that c. 12% of stepfathers do It with the stepc=
hildren =3D
- so
that excuses the 8 - 9 % of priests who diddle kids? =3DA0
There is also the fact that if the wife is aware of the abuse, and
does nothing to prevent it, or further promotes it, she shares in the
guilt, if convicted, of the crime. =A0That is the real issue behind the
pedophile priest issue. =A0 The church hierarchy, and particularly the
diocese hierarchy, were well aware of most of these perverts early in
their career, but chose to allow them to continue molesting
children. =A0 What a sick organization.
=95 =A0Indeed. =A0Perhaps they actually began to believe in the pope's in=
fallibility?
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That would be my guess, a victim of their own hubris.
** pride can be poisonous Jimbo.
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| •R.L.Measures... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:38 pm |
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In article
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<ckdbigtoe at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: On Oct 23, 12:08=A0pm, r... at (no spam) somis.org (=95R.L.Measures) wrote:
In article
c83e0d57-1069-46b7-95df-cd26e4189... at (no spam) e18g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>, Jimb=
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ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 23, 9:37=3DA0am, r... at (no spam) somis.org (=3D95R.L.Measures) wrote:
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Agreed. =A0Sexual predatation occurs in many areas, and churches,
however I have never heard of a church actively protecting these
perverts before the case in Boston. =A0 I remember when I was a kid tha=
t
a local Baptist Minister was ran out of town on a rail for
"impropriaty", (Having an affair with another man's wife), defrocked,
and was probably lucky they didn't tar and feather him. =A0 =A0I can't
imagine what they would have done to him for diddling kids and teens.
** =A0Baptists seemingly take a dim view of men having sex with boys.
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That is my understanding as well.
• perhaps that is one reason why Baptists are somewhat hostile to the RCC?
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On Oct 24, 4:35 pm, r... at (no spam) somis.org (•R.L.Measures) wrote:
Quote: In article
01f25a3f-dad9-430d-837b-b1beea3ed... at (no spam) z34g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, Jimbo
ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 24, 1:52=A0pm, r... at (no spam) somis.org (=95R.L.Measures) wrote:
In article
2d38f9ca-f0f5-41d3-9a04-fae92f96a... at (no spam) h2g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>, Jimbo
ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 23, 10:38=3DA0pm, r... at (no spam) somis.org (=3D95R.L.Measures) wrote:
In article
44655ff4-c6e8-46ac-9afd-44885df4a... at (no spam) r31g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>, > > Jimb=3D
o
ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 23, 12:08=3D3DA0pm, r... at (no spam) somis.org (=3D3D95R.L.Measures) wro> > te:
In article
c83e0d57-1069-46b7-95df-cd26e4189... at (no spam) e18g2000vbe.googlegroups.co> > m>, =3D
Jimb=3D3D
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ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 23, 9:37=3D3D3DA0am, r... at (no spam) somis.org (=3D3D3D95R.L.Measur> > es) wrot=3D
e:
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Agreed. =3D3DA0Sexual predatation occurs in many areas, and chu> > rches,
however I have never heard of a church actively protecting thes> > e
perverts before the case in Boston. =3D3DA0 I remember when I w> > as a k=3D
id tha=3D3D
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a local Baptist Minister was ran out of town on a rail for
"impropriaty", (Having an affair with another man's wife), defr> > ocke=3D
d,
and was probably lucky they didn't tar and feather him. =3D3DA0> > =3D3DA0=3D
I can't
imagine what they would have done to him for diddling kids and > > teen=3D
s.
** =3D3DA0Baptists seemingly take a dim view of men having sex wi> > th boy=3D
s.
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That is my understanding as well.
=3D95 =3DA0perhaps that is one reason why Baptists are somewhat hosti> > le to th=3D
e RCC?
I think that their animosity towards the RCC is for a lot of reasons,
=95 =A0agreed. =A0 Helping men who have sex with children is not a feathe> > r in
their cap for damn sure.
but that is probably one of the reasons.
=95 =A0OTOH, for TBRCs, "Catholic bashing" is faithbuilding.
True.
** and for Latter-day "Saints", even more so.
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| bam... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:11 pm |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer at (no spam) sonic.net> wrote in message
news:4adbf28c$0$1655$742ec2ed at (no spam) news.sonic.net...
Quote: J <Jvisions at (no spam) live.com> wrote:
Critics of the RCC should turn their anti-Christian
The RCC is not Christianity, nazi turd. It is a corruption of
Christianity.
Corruption? Then you should love it.
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