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| old man joe... |
 Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:47 am |
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the mood of fallen man concerning his own salvation is well expressed in the countless
tens of thousands who perished in the Flood. these cared for nothing in the preaching of
Noah and did not turn away from sin and get into the Ark, which is a type of Christ.
fallen man doesn't care any more about Limited Atonement than he does about any doctrine
which gives God all of the glory for being the first cause of redemption... he will scoff
at redemption ( 1 Cor. 1:18 ) until he sees he is left behind when he'll be weeping and
gnashing his teeth at God.
Limited Atonement, and it's companion term Particular Redemption, as a doctrine, is found
throughout Holy Scripture. Limited Atonement counters the idea that the Bible teaches
Universal Atonement... if Christ died for everyone, everyone is saved, none shall perish,
less we admit Christ failed at Calvary; God has no justification in judging sinner's
since Christ paid the penalty for all of their sins; the wrath of God should not have
fallen on the people who perished in the Flood, nor who have been perishing all along.
so says Universal Atonement.
Particular Atonement is in view when God records that Noah and his family were the only of
mankind to be saved by the Ark, a type of Christ. hence we read... " in Adam all die, so
also in Christ all will be made alive. " the stumbling block of such words as ' all,
many, everyone ' etc, when found in the context of salvation verses is the fuel driving
the Universalists to conclude everyone without exception is saved, and when those who
perished in the Flood are brought into the conversation, the Universalists fall back on
their idea that those who perished had free will and didn't desire to be saved... this
makes Christ a Savior who can not save and Noah built the Ark for nothing.
however, they are at a loss to understand that unbelief is a sin for which Christ also
paid the penalty.
that being the case, that Christ died for ' everyone, ' there should be no " weeping and
gnashing of teeth " in the Day of Judgement. man should then be quite satisfied to burn
to death in the Day of Judgement because it was far better a free will choice than to
subject oneself to the authority of Christ.
the Bible is replete in speaking of an elect remnant chosen by grace for Life through the
redemption which is in Christ while also speaking of those not so chosen. the starting
point is that as God viewed all of mankind as having fallen with Adam, some out of the all
of these He chose to redeem, bypassing the other's. Noah and his family verses the rest
of mankind. " one will be taken and one will be left ."
that " one will be taken and one will be left " speaks to Limited Atonement for not all
shall be saved... and since man in his fallen state has no desire to be saved ( Jn. 6:66 )
it should not be a horror to the elect that these will meet their doom for such speaks to
the righteousness of our just and righteous God. that He must punish sin is seen in His
laying on Christ the inequity of us all... the ' all ' is understood in the context of the
whole Bible and here in Isa. 53:6 " all " means all of the elect ( vs.11,12 )
Christ Himself witnesses this in that by His own words saying so twice, He lays down His
life for the sheep. ( Jn. 10:11,15 ) He does not pray in Jn. 17 that those passed by have
any redemption, but only the elect. only those who's names are written in His Book of
Life are the objects of His love, mercy and salvation grace.
again, if Christ died for everyone then everyone is saved and God is wrong to condemn
anyone since there is no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus. ( Ro. 8:1a ) this
is not the case at all as the rest of the passage indicates. we read " He chose us " in
the first chapter of Eph. and never do we read " He chose them, " the reprobate non-elect.
these will not give glory to God willing as He display's His righteous judgement against
sin... in man's wrath will he give glory to God ( Ps. 76:10 ) by their display of weeping
and gnashing their teeth... only the elect give glory to God. ( Lk. 17:11-19 ) the lofty
self-righteousness of fallen man finds the Bible teaching a way to salvation only by some
co-redeeming action they themselves have taken. the elect find the Bible teaching
redemption is solely of the Lord ( Ps. 3:8 ) having mercy on whom He wills and hardening
whom He wills ( Ro. 9:18 ) and the two are not taken but one is left. Mt.24:40
while the phrase ' Limited Atonement ' is not found in Holy Scripture, just as the word
' Trinity ' and ' Rapture ' are not found, the term correctly expresses the words of Jesus
who insists " I lay down My life for the sheep. " the preaching of " all the counsel of
God " brings with it rebuke from those finding they can continue in sin since " Peace and
Safety " is in Universal Atonement. |
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