"Patrick" <barker_pb at (no spam) erinot.com> wrote in message
"default" <default at (no spam) defaulter.net> wrote ..
AND you Patrick read your bible cover to cover?

Not in the last week or so.
Actually, I've never read it from one cover to the other.

That's no surprise, yet the atheists and agnostics who post on these
groups have done so.

That isn't how it is meant to be read.

Says who? The Pope? The bible makes no mention how it is to be read.

I certainly have read every word, but not one end to the other.
It isn't a story that reveals itself page by page.....
It is a compilation of history, fables, short stories, prayers,
songs, etc.

As anyone who reads it quickly can see.

Why do you want to hide what goes on in your church?

Do you deny that the church does many things for the needy?

Most does not go to the needy.

"Patrick" <barker_pb at (no spam) erinot.com> wrote in message
"Sockie" <Sockie-1995 at (no spam) Socksland.com> wrote

The vast majority of Christian today are hypocrites.

Just as you are.

As are all those running your evil church who knowingly looked the other
way while priests sodomized and raped little children for over 50 years.

"Patrick" <barker_pb at (no spam) erinot.com> wrote in message
"Florence B. Nitengail" <none at (no spam) nospamforme.net> wrote-

They church TRIES to taketh away. Smart Catholics have closed their
wallets and purses and even smarter ones have left the RCChurch.

So sayeth the loozer, florence....

I have lost nothing since I never gave the RCC a penny. I donate to
charities, not org's that amass billions in cash, property and investments
and hide pedophiles.

Speak for yerself.
The RCC is doing just fine here in Ohio, thank you.

As if the RCC would share it's secrets with you.

"Sockie" <Sockie-1995 at (no spam) Socksland.com> wrote
"Patrick" <barker_pb at (no spam) erinot.com> wrote in message
I believe the early church fathers knew that the more people
could read, the more they could interpret. They probably
squabbled among themselves on certain dogma. How much more
violent would it be if everyone threw in their opinions.

They eventually did and the world didn't end. No church can claim they
have 100% correct interpretation of scripture.

Yet, many do make that claim.

As it was,
once the bible became available to more and more, then more people
disagreed with an interpretation for their own greedy sakes.

Their own greedy sakes? Where did you get that one from?

Jim Bakker, Oral Roberts, LDS, JW's, Benny Hinn and many more.

Why should people only have ONE interpretation to consider, especially
when they are starting to chaff at the RCC's grip on them, and the
bleeding of their finances?

Especially when what?

Good Golly, Miss Molly, you are full of hate....

Look
at Henry VIII. He wanted to ditch a wife, so he made up his own
church that would allow him to do so.

Meanwhile the church was making fast money selling indulgences. Buy your
salvation for X amount of $$$.

I didn't buy any.
I don't know anyone who has ever bought any.
Are you lloking to buy or to sell?

Of course it does.
We feel exactly how we choose to feel.
I choose to feel happy.
I am happy.

Then why do you sound so miserable in your posts?

I am not the one whining about shit that I can do nuthin bout.
That be you, sluggo.

Gimme a break.
I'll provide a few financials shortly.

Those on the Vatican should prove interesting.

They are available on line.

I'll try to answer that later also.
I know that women groups in the parishes I have belonged to usually
do bake sales and they sew the vestments themselves.

They aren't sewing the Pope's vestments.

I didn't say they were.
I merely mention how most clerics get their vestments.

"Sockie" <Sockie-1995 at (no spam) Socksland.com> wrote ...
"Patrick" <barker_pb at (no spam) erinot.com> wrote in message

AND you Patrick read your bible cover to cover?

Not in the last week or so.
Actually, I've never read it from one cover to the other.
That isn't how it is meant to be read.

I don't recollect the bible saying how it was intended to be used. I
did actually read it . . . once long ago.

No book describes how it is to be read.

You just tried to a few posts back. You said it wasn't meant to be read
cover to cover.

Perhaps you have a learning disability, sluggo.

I claimed the book wasn't meant to be read cover to cover.
I didn't say that the Bible made this claim.

Any of which may be interpreted to mean whatever one wishes.

That is why the church didn't want you to read it.
Perhaps they knew you were the turd......

Oh? They only wanted people to have THEIR interpretation as though only
THEY had the right or ability to interpret the bible?


Possibly.
Look at the various denominations in the USA alone today.
Over 5000....
Why?

Because someone decided he had a better understanding of it.
What are you, .... stupid?

Why guess?
I thought you were declaring all priests to be peophiles.

No one on any of these groups ever made that claim. But many of us feel
all those who knew about the pedophile priests and did nothing, are just
as guilty.

OK.
Now what?
Who did nothing?
I didn't hear you, sluggo.....

It must suck to be you.

What did Jesus say about fancy vestments?

Read another of my posts.
I left a well documented referece on that.

We were given the same line about priests - but the real truth is that
priests seem to be rewarded very well in money and perks. All the
while they talk about priestly poverty.

Many priests take the vows of poverty, chastity and obedience.
Those priests cannot own land, a car, even golf clubs. They can be
paid a stipend to help defray costs for underwear and wine.

And the other 99% bypass that vow of poverty.

Not true.

"Sockie" <Sockie-1995 at (no spam) Socksland.com> wrote
"Patrick" <barker_pb at (no spam) erinot.com> wrote in message
"default" <default at (no spam) defaulter.net> wrote ..
AND you Patrick read your bible cover to cover?

Not in the last week or so.
Actually, I've never read it from one cover to the other.

That's no surprise, yet the atheists and agnostics who post on these
groups have done so.

I don't believe it for a minute.

That isn't how it is meant to be read.

Says who? The Pope? The bible makes no mention how it is to be read.

Ask me. I'll tell you.

I certainly have read every word, but not one end to the other.
It isn't a story that reveals itself page by page.....
It is a compilation of history, fables, short stories, prayers,
songs, etc.

As anyone who reads it quickly can see.

Are you claiming you read it from cover to cover?

Why do you want to hide what goes on in your church?

I am here listening to yer shit, aint I?
Tell me more, sluggo.

Do you deny that the church does many things for the needy?

Most does not go to the needy.

You make shit up once again, I see.

"Sockie" <Sockie-1995 at (no spam) Socksland.com> wrote ...
"Patrick" <barker_pb at (no spam) erinot.com> wrote in message
"Sockie" <Sockie-1995 at (no spam) Socksland.com> wrote

The vast majority of Christian today are hypocrites.

Just as you are.

As are all those running your evil church who knowingly looked the other
way while priests sodomized and raped little children for over 50 years.

Got anything new you want to whine about?

"Sockie" <Sockie-1995 at (no spam) Socksland.com> wrote.
"Patrick" <barker_pb at (no spam) erinot.com> wrote in message
The history of icons and of their use in the Church is not only
fascinating but instructive. They are no new thing. Nor were they
invented by an apostate medieval Church.........

Catholic cut and paste propaganda snipped.

Jesus didn't carry around icons and images. You shouldn't either.

Jesus didn't drive a car, wear cowboy boots, eat a Big Mac, use a
computer,
or have children. You shouldn't either.
What a hoot!

"Florence B. Nitengail" <none at (no spam) nospamforme.net> wrote..
"Patrick" <barker_pb at (no spam) erinot.com> wrote in message
"Florence B. Nitengail" <none at (no spam) nospamforme.net> wrote-

They church TRIES to taketh away. Smart Catholics have closed their
wallets and purses and even smarter ones have left the RCChurch.

So sayeth the loozer, florence....

I have lost nothing since I never gave the RCC a penny. I donate to
charities, not org's that amass billions in cash, property and
investments and hide pedophiles.

Speak for yerself.
The RCC is doing just fine here in Ohio, thank you.

As if the RCC would share it's secrets with you.

Oh, that's right.... The Big Bad RCC has big secrets.

They just sent me your picture, your address, and when .......
I'd be watching if I were you.....

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 00:36:13 -0500, "Parish *~" <Parish at (no spam) invalid.invalid
wrote:


"duke" <duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:15:28 -0500, "Parish *~" <Parish at (no spam) invalid.invalid
wrote:

If you choose to commit adultery, hide pedophiles, cheat on your taxes,
lie... don't think the rest of us do. Speak for yourself only.

God revealed what he knew was coming. Welcome to the world, sinner.

If you choose to commit adultery, hide pedophiles, cheat on your taxes,
lie... don't think the rest of us do. Speak for yourself only.

God revealed what he knew was coming. Welcome to the world, sinner.

Ship, same old lies, fabrications and apologist nonsense for the a morally
bankrupt church.

But it's the people that are the sinners. Welcome, brother.

The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

"duke" <duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 00:36:13 -0500, "Parish *~" <Parish at (no spam) invalid.invalid
wrote:


"duke" <duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote in message
news:lcpgd5h1fdg0lgsea3ckmp2ejbnllk6gra at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:15:28 -0500, "Parish *~" <Parish at (no spam) invalid.invalid
wrote:

If you choose to commit adultery, hide pedophiles, cheat on your taxes,
lie... don't think the rest of us do. Speak for yourself only.

God revealed what he knew was coming. Welcome to the world, sinner.

Speak for yourself. Not everyone is a criminal. If you chose to be a
criminal, and admit being a criminal, you should not assume everyone is.

If you choose to commit adultery, hide pedophiles, cheat on your taxes,
lie... don't think the rest of us do. Speak for yourself only.

God revealed what he knew was coming. Welcome to the world, sinner.

Speak for yourself. Not everyone is a criminal. If you chose to be a
criminal, and admit being a criminal, you should not assume everyone is.

Ship, same old lies, fabrications and apologist nonsense for the a morally
bankrupt church.

But it's the people that are the sinners. Welcome, brother.

Speak for yourself only. Not everyone is a criminal. If you chose to be a
criminal, and admit being a criminal, you should not assume everyone is.

"Patrick" <barker_pb at (no spam) erinot.com> wrote in message

Perhaps you have a learning disability, sluggo.

They were your words sweetie pie.

I claimed the book wasn't meant to be read cover to cover.
I didn't say that the Bible made this claim.

No one said you did. Perhaps you have a learning disability sweetie pie.
If you/they feel no one should read the bible cover to cover then you/they
have something to hide.

Because the bible, as written is open to many interpretations. It also
freed millions from the grip of the RCC.

Because someone decided he had a better understanding of it.
What are you, .... stupid?

Why do you resort to such childish statements? Does it feed your ego?
Build your self esteem sweetie poo?

But many of us feel all those who knew about the pedophile priests and
did nothing, are just as guilty.

OK.
Now what?
Who did nothing?
I didn't hear you, sluggo.....

Sweetie poopsie, the cardinals, bishops etc *ADMITTED* they did nothing
more than move

the pedophile priests around. You apparently don't read the newspapers or
watch the News on TV.

It must suck to be you.

Nope, but it sure has to suck to be as immature as you are. For an adult,
you post like a school boy. You must be socially retarded at the least
poopsie poo.

What did Jesus say about fancy vestments?

Read another of my posts.
I left a well documented referece on that.

Your ignorance of the bible is truly astounding.

We were given the same line about priests - but the real truth is that
priests seem to be rewarded very well in money and perks. All the
while they talk about priestly poverty.

Many priests take the vows of poverty, chastity and obedience.
Those priests cannot own land, a car, even golf clubs. They can be
paid a stipend to help defray costs for underwear and wine.

And the other 99% bypass that vow of poverty.

Not true.

Please list the ones where you live that chose to live in poverty.

"Patrick" <barker_pb at (no spam) erinot.com> wrote in message
"Sockie" <Sockie-1995 at (no spam) Socksland.com> wrote
"Patrick" <barker_pb at (no spam) erinot.com> wrote in message
"default" <default at (no spam) defaulter.net> wrote ..
AND you Patrick read your bible cover to cover?

Not in the last week or so.
Actually, I've never read it from one cover to the other.

That's no surprise, yet the atheists and agnostics who post on these
groups have done so.

I don't believe it for a minute.

So far they've wiped out every believer who posted to their groups. I've
been here over 10 years and have seen in repeatedly.

That isn't how it is meant to be read.

Says who? The Pope? The bible makes no mention how it is to be read.

Ask me. I'll tell you.

You're a nobody. Your opinion is worthless. You also admitted you never
read the bible cover to cover.

I certainly have read every word, but not one end to the other.
It isn't a story that reveals itself page by page.....
It is a compilation of history, fables, short stories, prayers,
songs, etc.

As anyone who reads it quickly can see.

Are you claiming you read it from cover to cover?

I've read it twice cover to cover. What haven't you?

Why do you want to hide what goes on in your church?

I am here listening to yer shit, aint I?
Tell me more, sluggo.

Ok Sweetie poopsie, you do realize your churches leaders ADMITTED to
knowing what the pedophile priests were up to don't you? If you read the
papers and watch the News on TV doodle-bug, you would know this.

Do you deny that the church does many things for the needy?

Most does not go to the needy.

You make shit up once again, I see.

A priest himself told me this only a few years ago.

Ask your priest how much actually goes to the needy.

O r are you claiming priests LIE now as well as looked the other way as
kids were being buggered?

You're sure having a hard time accepting the truth about the RRC, sweetie
poops, honey bunch.

Got anything new you want to whine about?


The truth hurts doesn't it?

Oh, that's right.... The Big Bad RCC has big secrets.

Oh it had hundreds of them. Pedophiles buggering little children while
they turned their heads away and did nothing.