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| old man joe... |
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" They will make you outcasts from the synagogue, but an hour is coming for everyone who
kills you to think that he is offering service to God.
These things they will do because they have not known the Father or Me. "
Jn. 16:2,3
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boasting in their personal belief that only they are saved, the RCC is accredited by
history as having tortured, raped, and murdered hundreds of thousands of people in the
name of Satan.
Peter never murdered anyone according to the Bible, but yet these people profess some
ridiculous adoration towards him and Mary, who never murdered anyone either, so that to
show the world the hypocrisy they've convinced millions to follow by their murderous
example.
these are quick to complain they are being ' bashed ' as they fall on their knees to
worship statues of plaster that neither see, hear, nor speak, just as Jn. 16:3 explains;
that these are non-elect who do such things as well as by parity those who adjoin
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| ~.*.Saba Gracile.*.~... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:33 am |
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"old man joe" <never at (no spam) yahoo.com> skrev i melding
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Quote:
" They will make you outcasts from the synagogue, but an hour is coming
for everyone who
kills you to think that he is offering service to God.
These things they will do because they have not known the Father or Me. "
Jn. 16:2,3
And guess who outcasts in multitudes, the JW's of the WTS. They think they
are offering service to Jehovah, although Jesus never outcasted
anyone,neither
did the disciples or anyone else in an organized way. It's an evil practice
from
their nobody is saved policy. They can misuse their power and abuse sheep,
beat them up and kill them (tell them they are spiritually dead),
disregarding
that these are sheep that belongs to Christ, that should be saved already
and
are therefore untouchable. But the brutal WTS knows that they're not given
to Christ, but to them so they do what ever the hell they please with their
victims.
Saba
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http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/yugoslavia_catholic_church.htm
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080829095434AAuK2UD
boasting in their personal belief that only they are saved, the RCC is
accredited by
history as having tortured, raped, and murdered hundreds of thousands of
people in the
name of Satan.
Peter never murdered anyone according to the Bible, but yet these people
profess some
ridiculous adoration towards him and Mary, who never murdered anyone
either, so that to
show the world the hypocrisy they've convinced millions to follow by their
murderous
example.
these are quick to complain they are being ' bashed ' as they fall on
their knees to
worship statues of plaster that neither see, hear, nor speak, just as Jn.
16:3 explains;
that these are non-elect who do such things as well as by parity those who
adjoin
themselves to such an institution which did such things.
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| Patrick... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:00 am |
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"old man joe" <never at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote >
Quote: Peter never murdered anyone according to the Bible, but yet these people
profess some
ridiculous adoration towards him and Mary, who never murdered anyone
either, so that to
show the world the hypocrisy they've convinced millions to follow by their
murderous
example.
these are quick to complain they are being ' bashed ' as they fall on
their knees to
worship statues of plaster
Wow!
Worshipping statues of plaster?
Who does that?
Do you worship the paper under the pictures of yer mama? |
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| The Lesbians... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:10 pm |
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Oh, and the Pope conspired with the Pazzi family to murder Giuliano and
Lorenzo de Medici in the Cathedral in Florence while they were kneeling at
the communion rail on Easter Sunday, 1478.
Now, what were you saying about murder?
The Pope is the head of the Church and the visible representative of Christ
upon the earth, and he conspired to murder two men and succeeded in
murdering one, while they received communion.
On the plus side, enraged Medici supporters hanged the Archbishop of Pisa on
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| Sockie... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:16 am |
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"Patrick" <barker_pb at (no spam) erinot.com> wrote in message
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Quote: Wow!
Worshipping statues of plaster?
Who does that?
RC Catholics do!
Quote: Do you worship the paper under the pictures of yer mama?
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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 01:16:50 -0500, "Sockie"
<Sockie-1995 at (no spam) Socksland.com> wrote:
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"Patrick" <barker_pb at (no spam) erinot.com> wrote in message
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Wow!
Worshipping statues of plaster?
Who does that?
RC Catholics do!
The bible allows both contradictions to exist. It would seem to
forbid "graven images," and then turns right around and gives examples
of how various images are to be presented.
The modern answer they use, is that the statue isn't worshipped, it is
just there to "remind" them of what they are praying to. The rote
answer and analogy is the "picture of your mother." We are
indoctrinated with this.
So while they may genuflect, kneel before, raise their hands in
beseechment, and carry on like they are worshipping the silly statue,
they are doing no such thing.
Catholics, as well many of the Abrahamic religions, have had thousands
of years to refine the lies and hypocrisy - and their bible always
provides a handy contradiction or two or many for whatever idea or
practice they want to follow. That's the beauty of it.
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| duke... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:50 am |
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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 01:22:27 -0500, "Parish *~" <Parish at (no spam) invalid.invalid> wrote:
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"duke" <duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:04:17 -0400, old man joe <never at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Peter never murdered anyone according to the Bible
Neither has the RCC.
"duke" <duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:04:17 -0400, old man joe <never at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Peter never murdered anyone according to the Bible
Neither has the RCC.
LIAR!!!!!!
Gee, dude, did you catch the part below about "apologize for historical
transgressions committed by Roman Catholics in the name of the church"?
RC's in the name of the church is not the Church doing it.
Quote: IDEAS & TRENDS; Mea Culpa: The Pope Apologizes for His Church
By GUSTAV NIEBUHR
Published: Sunday, March 12, 2000
WITH his special Mass at the Vatican today, Pope John Paul II has set
out to do what none of his 262 predecessors felt called to do:
apologize for historical transgressions committed by Roman Catholics
in the name of the church.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| duke... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:59 am |
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On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:24:06 -0400, "The Lesbians"
<Tribades at (no spam) manhattan.sapphist.org> wrote:
Quote: "duke" <duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:10:36 -0400, "The Lesbians"
Tribades at (no spam) manhattan.sapphist.org> wrote:
Oh, and the Pope conspired with the Pazzi family to murder Giuliano and
Lorenzo de Medici in the Cathedral in Florence while they were kneeling at
the communion rail on Easter Sunday, 1478.
Now, what were you saying about murder?
That the Church, led by the HolySpirit, cannot do wrong but the
administrative
assistant or his people clearly can.
Isn't the Pope the Vicar of Christ on Earth? Does he not hold the keys, is
not the Pope the one who determines"what is loosed and what remains bound?"
Those that would project that to mean "rape, loot, and plunder" have totally
missed the boat. The Pope is his job description and speaking ex-cathedra from
the chair of Peter applies only to matters of faith and morals. The Pope being
given the keys was prefigured in Isaiah 20 as shown below:
Isaiah 22:20-22 (New International Version)
20 "In that day I will summon my servant, Eliakim son of Hilkiah. 21 I will
clothe him with your robe and fasten your sash around him and hand your
authority over to him. He will be a father to those who live in Jerusalem and to
the house of Judah. 22 I will place on his shoulder the key to the house of
David; what he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.
The Dukester, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| duke... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:01 am |
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On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:17:47 -0400, "The Lesbians"
<Tribades at (no spam) manhattan.sapphist.org> wrote:
Quote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:01:06 -0400, "The Lesbians"
Tribades at (no spam) manhattan.sapphist.org> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:04:17 -0400, old man joe <never at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
" They will make you outcasts from the synagogue, but an hour is coming
for everyone who
kills you to think that he is offering service to God.
These things they will do because they have not known the Father or Me.
"
Jn. 16:2,3
boasting in their personal belief that only they are saved, the RCC is
accredited by
history as having tortured, raped, and murdered hundreds of thousands of
people in the
name of Satan.
Wow, can you show where? Probably the same place you'll find your ass.
Peter never murdered anyone according to the Bible
Neither has the RCC.
Two catholic priests have been indicted before the ICT-R for inciting
genocide, the RCC hid both, though one has been arrested now.
No, you mean their bishop hid them, maybe. The Church didn't.
No, I do not, The Vatican placed them and gave them protection, in Italy.
You mean, of course, that men hid men.
Quote: Well, I don't know about the hurch [sic], but it's clear that men did so.
Men like Pius XII, Sixtus VI, and others?
They ARE the Church(sick)
No, they are not. They were men, and men are sinners.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:44 am |
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From PBS
Throughout the middle ages the Catholic Church sunk deeper into a pit
of scandal and corruption. By the 1520s, Martin Luther's ideas
crystallized opposition to the Church, and Christian Europe was torn
apart. In response, the Catholic Church set in motion the counter-
reformation. An era of strict conformity and accompanying terror had
begun.
During the reign of Pope Leo X, discontent amongst Catholics in Europe
was at an all-time high. The sale by the Pope of indulgences, a
guarantee of salvation, was the last straw. Martin Luther became a
figurehead for the discontented masses, and his “95 Theses” proposed
dramatic reforms of the Catholic Church. With the advent of the
printing press Luther's manifesto spread far and wide and garnered
widespread support.
The challenge from Luther caught the Pope by surprise. The leaders of
the Catholic Church were also frightened by how confidently the
Princes of Germany resisted Vatican pressure. These leaders,
supposedly subject to the authority of the Church, now declared
themselves independent of Vatican rule. Ultimately the Princes'
defiance ensured Luther's survival,and prompted the birth of a
Catholic movement known as the Counter-Reformation.
In 1545, the leaders of the Catholic Church gathered in the Northern
Italian city of Trent for an emergency conference. Their aim was to
reclaim the moral high ground, and the superiority of the Holy Mother
Church, in the wake of the Protestant challenge. The stakes were high.
They were playing for the survival of the Roman Catholic Church.
After 20-years of debate, the Council of Trent established the basis
for a Catholic counter-attack. Decrees were issued covering every
aspect of Church authority, from the holding of multiple offices, to
the chastity of priests, and monastic reform. Ignatius Loyola was
charged with forming the Jesuits, a band of militant missionaries
whose task was to reconvert the converted.
The “Index of Forbidden Books” was published, naming and shaming 583
heretical texts, including most translations of the Bible and the
works of Erasmus, Calvin and Luther. New churches were ordered, with
space for thousands of worshippers, and acoustics designed, for the
first time, for vernacular sermons. The Catholic Church used the
weapon of reform to entice back its disillusioned congregations.
A new agency of obedience was created. Taking its cue from a
successful Spanish model, the Council of Trent formally established
the Roman Inquisition, to examine and try all evidence of heresy or
dissent. No Catholic country was exempt. All crimes in the eyes of the
Church would be handed to a local Inquisitor, equipped with all
necessary means of persuasion. Guilt was always assumed, interrogation
relentless, and torture deployed to squeeze the truth out of a
witness.
As Giordano Bruno, Galileo, and even Cosimo I found out, once you were
collared by the Roman Inquisition, the only thing you could do was
pray.
http://www.pbs.org/empires/medici/renaissance/counter.html |
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| The Lesbians... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:21 pm |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote in message
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Quote: On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:17:47 -0400, "The Lesbians"
Tribades at (no spam) manhattan.sapphist.org> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:01:06 -0400, "The Lesbians"
Tribades at (no spam) manhattan.sapphist.org> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote in message
news:39i3d5poimpq2648u8a56m1urhaaq1er3p at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:04:17 -0400, old man joe <never at (no spam) yahoo.com
wrote:
" They will make you outcasts from the synagogue, but an hour is
coming
for everyone who
kills you to think that he is offering service to God.
These things they will do because they have not known the Father or
Me.
"
Jn. 16:2,3
boasting in their personal belief that only they are saved, the RCC is
accredited by
history as having tortured, raped, and murdered hundreds of thousands
of
people in the
name of Satan.
Wow, can you show where? Probably the same place you'll find your
ass.
Peter never murdered anyone according to the Bible
Neither has the RCC.
Two catholic priests have been indicted before the ICT-R for inciting
genocide, the RCC hid both, though one has been arrested now.
No, you mean their bishop hid them, maybe. The Church didn't.
No, I do not, The Vatican placed them and gave them protection, in Italy.
You mean, of course, that men hid men.
No, I mean that the heirarchy and administrative machinery of the Roman
Catholic Church conspired to conceal men accused of genocide
Quote:
Well, I don't know about the hurch [sic], but it's clear that men did
so.
Men like Pius XII, Sixtus VI, and others?
They ARE the Church(sick)
No, they are not. They were men, and men are sinners.
So we can disregard the teaching of Benedict XVI as he is merely another
sinner?
Cool.
So, will you sinners stay out of the issues over civil marriage, since you
are probably just being flawed and sinning?
Quote:
The Dukester, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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"default" <default at (no spam) defaulter.net> wrote in message
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Quote: On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 01:16:50 -0500, "Sockie"
Sockie-1995 at (no spam) Socksland.com> wrote:
"Patrick" <barker_pb at (no spam) erinot.com> wrote in message
news:pLednbEDQv7yDk3XnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d at (no spam) posted.localnet...
Wow!
Worshipping statues of plaster?
Who does that?
RC Catholics do!
Quote: The bible allows both contradictions to exist. It would seem to
forbid "graven images," and then turns right around and gives examples
of how various images are to be presented.
No graven images should be in churches. No "golden idols" such a d statues
of Mary or Jesus or so-called saints.
Quote:
The modern answer they use, is that the statue isn't worshipped, it is
just there to "remind" them of what they are praying to. The rote
answer and analogy is the "picture of your mother." We are
indoctrinated with this.
Why would they need a 'reminder?' They can't remember they're praying to
God. God is the only one one should be praying to.
Quote:
So while they may genuflect, kneel before, raise their hands in
beseechment, and carry on like they are worshipping the silly statue,
they are doing no such thing.
Then let them remove all these graven images.
Quote:
Catholics, as well many of the Abrahamic religions, have had thousands
of years to refine the lies and hypocrisy - and their bible always
provides a handy contradiction or two or many for whatever idea or
practice they want to follow. That's the beauty of it.
You sure got that right! :^)
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<jwsheffield at (no spam) satx.rr.com> wrote in message
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From PBS
Throughout the middle ages the Catholic Church sunk deeper into a pit
of scandal and corruption. By the 1520s, Martin Luther's ideas
crystallized opposition to the Church, and Christian Europe was torn
apart. In response, the Catholic Church set in motion the counter-
reformation. An era of strict conformity and accompanying terror had
begun.
During the reign of Pope Leo X, discontent amongst Catholics in Europe
was at an all-time high. The sale by the Pope of indulgences, a
guarantee of salvation, was the last straw. Martin Luther became a
figurehead for the discontented masses, and his “95 Theses” proposed
dramatic reforms of the Catholic Church. With the advent of the
printing press Luther's manifesto spread far and wide and garnered
widespread support.
The challenge from Luther caught the Pope by surprise. The leaders of
the Catholic Church were also frightened by how confidently the
Princes of Germany resisted Vatican pressure. These leaders,
supposedly subject to the authority of the Church, now declared
themselves independent of Vatican rule. Ultimately the Princes'
defiance ensured Luther's survival,and prompted the birth of a
Catholic movement known as the Counter-Reformation.
In 1545, the leaders of the Catholic Church gathered in the Northern
Italian city of Trent for an emergency conference. Their aim was to
reclaim the moral high ground, and the superiority of the Holy Mother
Church, in the wake of the Protestant challenge. The stakes were high.
They were playing for the survival of the Roman Catholic Church.
After 20-years of debate, the Council of Trent established the basis
for a Catholic counter-attack. Decrees were issued covering every
aspect of Church authority, from the holding of multiple offices, to
the chastity of priests, and monastic reform. Ignatius Loyola was
charged with forming the Jesuits, a band of militant missionaries
whose task was to reconvert the converted.
The “Index of Forbidden Books” was published, naming and shaming 583
heretical texts, including most translations of the Bible and the
works of Erasmus, Calvin and Luther. New churches were ordered, with
space for thousands of worshippers, and acoustics designed, for the
first time, for vernacular sermons. The Catholic Church used the
weapon of reform to entice back its disillusioned congregations.
A new agency of obedience was created. Taking its cue from a
successful Spanish model, the Council of Trent formally established
the Roman Inquisition, to examine and try all evidence of heresy or
dissent. No Catholic country was exempt. All crimes in the eyes of the
Church would be handed to a local Inquisitor, equipped with all
necessary means of persuasion. Guilt was always assumed, interrogation
relentless, and torture deployed to squeeze the truth out of a
witness.
As Giordano Bruno, Galileo, and even Cosimo I found out, once you were
collared by the Roman Inquisition, the only thing you could do was
pray.
http://www.pbs.org/empires/medici/renaissance/counter.html
People like Duke don't want to know the truth about their church leaders and
the corruption and shame they brought the RCC. |
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"Sockie" <Sockie-1995 at (no spam) Socksland.com> wrote ...
Quote: "default" <default at (no spam) defaulter.net> wrote in message
, "Sockie" <Sockie-1995 at (no spam) Socksland.com> wrote:
"Patrick" <barker_pb at (no spam) erinot.com> wrote in message
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Wow!
Worshipping statues of plaster?
Who does that?
RC Catholics do!
The bible allows both contradictions to exist. It would seem to
forbid "graven images," and then turns right around and gives examples
of how various images are to be presented.
No graven images should be in churches. No "golden idols" such a d
statues of Mary or Jesus or so-called saints.
We don't have any graven images in the RCC.
Quote: The modern answer they use, is that the statue isn't worshipped, it is
just there to "remind" them of what they are praying to. The rote
answer and analogy is the "picture of your mother." We are
indoctrinated with this.
Why would they need a 'reminder?' They can't remember they're praying to
God. God is the only one one should be praying to.
OK.
Don't prsay to Mary for help then.
Catholics sometimes ask Mary to intervene with her son.
After all, most of us listen to our mothers.
Do you recall Cana?
Quote: So while they may genuflect, kneel before, raise their hands in
beseechment, and carry on like they are worshipping the silly statue,
they are doing no such thing.
Then let them remove all these graven images.
Don't have any.
Quote: Catholics, as well many of the Abrahamic religions, have had thousands
of years to refine the lies and hypocrisy - and their bible always
provides a handy contradiction or two or many for whatever idea or
practice they want to follow. That's the beauty of it.
You sure got that right! :^)
<Yawn>
Humanity has had thousands of years to refine its reasons for
murder, greed, false witness, hypocrisy.
How did humanity do over the years? |
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Quote: On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 01:22:27 -0500, "Parish *~" <Parish at (no spam) invalid.invalid
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"duke" <duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:04:17 -0400, old man joe <never at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Peter never murdered anyone according to the Bible
Neither has the RCC.
"duke" <duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote in message
news:39i3d5poimpq2648u8a56m1urhaaq1er3p at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:04:17 -0400, old man joe <never at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Peter never murdered anyone according to the Bible
Neither has the RCC.
LIAR!!!!!!
Gee, dude, did you catch the part below about "apologize for historical
transgressions committed by Roman Catholics in the name of the church"?
RC's in the name of the church is not the Church doing it.
Of course it's not the bricks and wood like someone else already said....
it's the CORRUPT men running the church, from the Pope down to the
pedophiles buggering the kids they have access to.
Quote:
IDEAS & TRENDS; Mea Culpa: The Pope Apologizes for His Church
By GUSTAV NIEBUHR
Published: Sunday, March 12, 2000
WITH his special Mass at the Vatican today, Pope John Paul II has set
out to do what none of his 262 predecessors felt called to do:
apologize for historical transgressions committed by Roman Catholics
in the name of the church.
The Dukester, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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