Sockie"> <Sockie-1995 at (no spam) Socksland.com> wrote:
"Patrick" <barker_pb at (no spam) erinot.com> wrote in message

The history of icons and of their use in the Church is not only
fascinating but instructive. They are no new thing. Nor were they
invented
by an apostate medieval Church.........

Catholic cut and paste propaganda snipped.

Jesus didn't carry around icons and images. You shouldn't either.

Jesus wore sandals, ministered to the poor and sick, preached love
your neighbor and tolerance. Good dude.

Christians, however, ain't for shit.

The vast majority of Christian today are hypocrites.

Total hypocrites just like Duke and other apologists on these groups. They
never even read their bible cover to cover. They only read what was
pointed out to them...

and things taken out of context. Jesus would gag at the excesses, the
wealth, the useless pomp at the Vatican. The fancy nonsense and incense
and statues and opulence of the RCChurches. The catholic leaders have
always written their own script and followed the path most profitable to
themselves. If millions had to die in their quest for power and wealth,
so be it.

They've ignored Jesus and his teachings completely since the beginning,
although in recent years they seem to have mellowed a little.

Graven did mean any carved representation when it was first used, it
wasn't until much later that the church said Oops! we need to change
that . . . . God giveth the Church taketh away?

They church TRIES to taketh away. Smart Catholics have closed their
wallets and purses and even smarter ones have left the RCChurch.

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Sockie"> <Sockie-1995 at (no spam) Socksland.com> wrote:
"Patrick" <barker_pb at (no spam) erinot.com> wrote in message

The history of icons and of their use in the Church is not only
fascinating but instructive. They are no new thing. Nor were they
invented
by an apostate medieval Church.........

Catholic cut and paste propaganda snipped.

Jesus didn't carry around icons and images. You shouldn't either.

Jesus wore sandals, ministered to the poor and sick, preached love
your neighbor and tolerance. Good dude.

So did Mother Theresa...

Christians, however, ain't for shit.

Huh? Not even the Mother Theresa?

Percent- wise how much does she do to the numbers?

"Sockie" <Sockie-1995 at (no spam) Socksland.com> wrote

The vast majority of Christian today are hypocrites.

Just as you are.

The vast majority of Christians are hypocrites. It can't be

Total hypocrites just like Duke and other apologists on these groups. They
never even read their bible cover to cover. They only read what was
pointed out to them...

Bite me, sicko....

AND you Patrick read your bible cover to cover? More likely you go to

and things taken out of context. Jesus would gag at the excesses, the
wealth, the useless pomp at the Vatican. The fancy nonsense and incense
and statues and opulence of the RCChurches. The catholic leaders have
always written their own script and followed the path most profitable to
themselves. If millions had to die in their quest for power and wealth,
so be it.

How much do you make each year, sicko?
Do you give your 10 percent to the poor?

Don't try to confuse giving money to the church as giving it to the

They've ignored Jesus and his teachings completely since the beginning,
although in recent years they seem to have mellowed a little.

When will you start ro mellow?

I disagree with him there - they are responding to scandal and

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On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:26:07 -0400, "Patrick" <barker_pb at (no spam) erinot.com
wrote:


The definition of "graven" images includes the statues, paintings and
stained glass you see in Catholic (and other) churches. Strictly by
definition.

Not by our definition.

I'd be interested in hearing our definition then. I mean it really
does sound bad, grave, gravity, graven.

Follows a lot of cut and paste in a vain attempt to justify what the
ten commandments expressly forbids.

Graven did mean any carved representation when it was first used, it
wasn't until much later that the church said Oops! we need to change
that . . . . God giveth the Church taketh away?
--

They church TRIES to taketh away. Smart Catholics have closed their wallets
and purses and even smarter ones have left the RCChurch.

, "Patrick" <barker_pb at (no spam) erinot.com>> wrote:
"Sockie" <Sockie-1995 at (no spam) Socksland.com> wrote

The vast majority of Christian today are hypocrites.

Just as you are.

The vast majority of Christians are hypocrites. It can't be
otherwise. You have to know people by what they do and how they act
- talk is worthless.

AND you Patrick read your bible cover to cover?

More likely you go to

church, some pedophile climbs the pulpit, then rants on for 15-20
minutes, taking some bible verse and trying to use it in some context
he deems appropriate or useful.

and things taken out of context. Jesus would gag at the excesses, the
wealth, the useless pomp at the Vatican. The fancy nonsense and incense
and statues and opulence of the RCChurches. The catholic leaders have
always written their own script and followed the path most profitable to
themselves. If millions had to die in their quest for power and wealth,
so be it.

How much do you make each year, sicko?
Do you give your 10 percent to the poor?

Don't try to confuse giving money to the church as giving it to the
poor.

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Catholics-955/2008/9/tithing.htm
The Church, however, does not define the amount that the faithful are
to give. Instead she says, "each according to his own ability". This
is why the Church usually doesn't use the word "tithe" since that is a
word that means 10%.
"From Each According To His Ability, To Each According to His Needs"?
It's interesting how many bible verses are plagiarized by the
Communists either paraphrased or verbatim. From the Mouth of Mathew
to the Mind of Marx? Lenin is another bible plagiarist.

They've ignored Jesus and his teachings completely since the beginning,
although in recent years they seem to have mellowed a little.

When will you start ro mellow?

I disagree with him there - they are responding to scandal and
criticism maybe. I don't think Bennie the Rat knows mellow, but
maybe that's what it takes to force the church to change.

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Sockie"> <Sockie-1995 at (no spam) Socksland.com> wrote:
"Patrick" <barker_pb at (no spam) erinot.com> wrote in message

The history of icons and of their use in the Church is not only
fascinating but instructive. They are no new thing. Nor were they
invented by an apostate medieval Church.........
Jesus didn't carry around icons and images. You shouldn't either.

Jesus wore sandals, ministered to the poor and sick, preached love
your neighbor and tolerance. Good dude.

So did Mother Theresa...

Christians, however, ain't for shit.

Huh? Not even the Mother Theresa?

Percent- wise how much does she do to the numbers?

They church TRIES to taketh away. Smart Catholics have closed their
wallets
and purses and even smarter ones have left the RCChurch.

Interesting concept "Smart Catholic." Sounds contradictory.

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, "Patrick" <barker_pb at (no spam) erinot.com>> wrote:
"Sockie" <Sockie-1995 at (no spam) Socksland.com> wrote

The vast majority of Christian today are hypocrites.

Just as you are.

The vast majority of Christians are hypocrites. It can't be
otherwise. You have to know people by what they do and how they act
- talk is worthless.

People judge others by how they are themselves.
That is why I trust.
That is why you don't.

I used to believe that too. But if you yourself believe that you

AND you Patrick read your bible cover to cover?

Not in the last week or so.
Actually, I've never read it from one cover to the other.
That isn't how it is meant to be read.

I certainly have read every word, but not one end to the other.
It isn't a story that reveals itself page by page.....
It is a compilation of history, fables, short stories, prayers,
songs, etc.

Any of which may be interpreted to mean whatever one wishes.

More likely you go to

Please don't make up shit about me.
It makes you into a liar.

Patrick you don't go to church - not making that up, you already

church, some pedophile climbs the pulpit, then rants on for 15-20
minutes, taking some bible verse and trying to use it in some context
he deems appropriate or useful.

You really ought to come to the celebration of the Mass sometime.
You ought to open your heart up and prepare yourself to receive,
rather than spew yer shit.

Can't spell your?

and things taken out of context. Jesus would gag at the excesses, the
wealth, the useless pomp at the Vatican. The fancy nonsense and incense
and statues and opulence of the RCChurches. The catholic leaders have
always written their own script and followed the path most profitable to
themselves. If millions had to die in their quest for power and wealth,
so be it.

How much do you make each year, sicko?
Do you give your 10 percent to the poor?

Don't try to confuse giving money to the church as giving it to the
poor.

Why?
Do you deny that the church does many things for the needy?

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Catholics-955/2008/9/tithing.htm
The Church, however, does not define the amount that the faithful are
to give. Instead she says, "each according to his own ability". This
is why the Church usually doesn't use the word "tithe" since that is a
word that means 10%.
"From Each According To His Ability, To Each According to His Needs"?
It's interesting how many bible verses are plagiarized by the
Communists either paraphrased or verbatim. From the Mouth of Mathew
to the Mind of Marx? Lenin is another bible plagiarist.

Try to stay on subject, will you?

One scam is no different from any other. Communism Catholic - same

They've ignored Jesus and his teachings completely since the beginning,
although in recent years they seem to have mellowed a little.

When will you start ro mellow?

I disagree with him there - they are responding to scandal and
criticism maybe. I don't think Bennie the Rat knows mellow, but
maybe that's what it takes to force the church to change.

Look up "CHANGE."
Maybe you will understand the church isn't alone in its reason to change.

The church would not change at all if they didn't lose money pursuing

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"default" <default at (no spam) defaulter.net> wrote ...
Sockie"> <Sockie-1995 at (no spam) Socksland.com> wrote:
"Patrick" <barker_pb at (no spam) erinot.com> wrote in message

The history of icons and of their use in the Church is not only
fascinating but instructive. They are no new thing. Nor were they
invented by an apostate medieval Church.........
Jesus didn't carry around icons and images. You shouldn't either.

Jesus wore sandals, ministered to the poor and sick, preached love
your neighbor and tolerance. Good dude.

So did Mother Theresa...

Christians, however, ain't for shit.

Huh? Not even the Mother Theresa?

Percent- wise how much does she do to the numbers?

Please elaborate.
Some idiot claimed christians aint fer shit because they don't do as Jesus
did, minister to the poor, preached love, etc.
I merely claim he is a liar.

Now, you want to know by "how much"?
Even an angel couldn't find another family besides Lot's.
Does that mean you throw out the baby with the bath water?

The pope claims 1.13 billion Catholics. Put 8 zeros in front of 8.85

Interesting concept "Smart Catholic." Sounds contradictory.

It is. Smart catholics certainly don't leave the church with their wallets.
Those are the dumb guys, like you and alvin and Flo.

, "Patrick" <barker_pb at (no spam) erinot.com>> wrote:

People judge others by how they are themselves.
That is why I trust.
That is why you don't.

I used to believe that too. But if you yourself believe that you
would go out without locking your house, not watch your luggage,
believe every ad you saw on TV, etc..

So, you don't "trust." You just like to think your religion is above
reproach.

My ex boss proved that was wrong too - this guy would lie like it was
second nature - yet when he caught one of his clients lying to him, it
was totally out of the blue.

AND you Patrick read your bible cover to cover?

Not in the last week or so.
Actually, I've never read it from one cover to the other.
That isn't how it is meant to be read.

I don't recollect the bible saying how it was intended to be used. I
did actually read it . . . once long ago.

I certainly have read every word, but not one end to the other.
It isn't a story that reveals itself page by page.....
It is a compilation of history, fables, short stories, prayers,
songs, etc.

Any of which may be interpreted to mean whatever one wishes.

More likely you go to

Please don't make up shit about me.
It makes you into a liar.

Patrick you don't go to church - not making that up, you already
admitted it.

church, some pedophile climbs the pulpit, then rants on for 15-20
minutes, taking some bible verse and trying to use it in some context
he deems appropriate or useful.

At question may be whether your particular priest is a pedophile - I'm
only guessing there.

You really ought to come to the celebration of the Mass sometime.
You ought to open your heart up and prepare yourself to receive,
rather than spew yer shit.

Can't spell your?

I don't need church - just turn on the TV and someone will lie to me.

Do you deny that the church does many things for the needy?

The question is, do they do much for the needy compared to the money
they take in?

I see a seminary with a whopping 14 students near my parents house.
They recently added a gymnasium that would be the envy of the Celtics.
The land it sits on is probably in the tens of billions, the upkeep
probably runs to millions - a couple of "chapels" one the size of a
large church, indoor and outdoor swimming pools, baseball diamonds,
gardens, caretakers cottages and their swimming pool, fire engine and
ambulance, the size of a small city but with more trees, etc..
BTW the 14 is up from 6 a few years ago - the pope's visit prompted a
few more than usual. It was 26 back when I was in grade school.
It is basically there for a "retreat" for priests, with the amenities
of a world class resort.
AND who does pay for the gold embroidered silk the pope wears, the
poor? They do - in a manner of speaking.

Like any "non-profit" corporation, their executives do quite well.
Borrowing from Karen's quote: "Sisters were very close to God, they
told us. They had a very exalted vocation. They gave their entire
lives to God, unlike other people who just gave their lives in bits
and pieces."
We were given the same line about priests - but the real truth is that
priests seem to be rewarded very well in money and perks. All the
while they talk about priestly poverty.

The pope claims 1.13 billion Catholics. Put 8 zeros in front of 8.85
and you have the percent of Christians in your midst. If we count
Mother Theresa . . .