while the Evolutionist holds dear his belief that it life came into being from elements
that are not alive... yet another black eye comes from his over-worthy opponent.. the
Creationist.

such it is with the ' Harvest Moon.'

On Oct 8, 6:38 am, old man joe <ne... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
while the Evolutionist holds dear his belief that it life came into being from elements
that are not alive... yet another black eye comes from his over-worthy opponent.. the
Creationist.

such it is with the ' Harvest Moon.'

I and many other well-educated Christians accept evolution as a fact
and all encompassing
underpining of modern biology. We also believe in God. In other
words, God used the
amazing mechanism of evolution to bring forth the well-nigh infinited
variety of plant and
animal life on earth.

The recommendation: Put any literalist reading of Genesis 1 (an
ancient creation myth)
on the back burner or, better, in the slop pail. For the increased
glory of God. And the raising of
Christian children without irrational mystification of their tender
minds.

As St. Paul said love endures forever but our knowledge (and
preaching) is limited
and passing away (at least subject to extensive modification in the
light of
modern knowledge).

Both Jesus and St. Paul strongly advocate Christians love their
enemies. Even
intellectual opponents. That means we listen attentively to those who
beg to
differ re ancient time-worn doctrines.

Why put it in the pail and even use the name CHRISTian for yourself?

Cactuswailer replies


Why put it in the pail and even use the name CHRISTian for yourself?

I use name Christian because I live in union with God through Jesus
Christ.
In other words like other Christians I have found life at its fullest
through allegiance to /friendship with/faith in Jesus Christ the Lord.

However, I don't think and Christian's life or faith is enriched by
hanging
onto dated ancient "truths." Especially, "truths" destroyed by modern
scientific knowledge. Trying reading Tom Harpur (Pagan Christ) or
Bishop John S. Spong (e.g. liberating the Gospels)

Cactuswailer wrote:

On Oct 8, 6:38 am, old man joe <ne... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
while the Evolutionist holds dear his belief that it life came into
being from elements
that are not alive... yet another black eye comes from his over-worthy
opponent.. the
Creationist.

such it is with the ' Harvest Moon.'

I and many other well-educated Christians accept evolution as a fact
and all encompassing
underpining of modern biology. We also believe in God. In other
words, God used the
amazing mechanism of evolution to bring forth the well-nigh infinited
variety of plant and
animal life on earth.

. . . . . and then left 'His Children' to wonder and argue in ignorance ?

Why would an all knowing God do that ?

There are no words from any god - all we hear are the words of frightened
humanity
claiming them to be the words of a god.

Very much a different thing.

About three years go a Japanese/British expedition sent a submersible
three miles below the
Pacific Ocean with cameras attached. The most interesting find at these
depths were lava
spouts which heated the surrounding water to surface temperatures over a
radius of about two
meters. Even at these depths and extremely high pressures, on closer
examination they found
small transparent blind fish feeding off plankton.

I suppose one of man's gods had a good reason to put them there, or was it
the heat of the
lava that made life possible, even at these depths and temperatures ?

Oh and if these weird fish are mentioned in the bible, references will be
welcomed. Thanks


So say,a God that made the creatures has to defend his making each and every

The recommendation: Put any literalist reading of Genesis 1 (an
ancient creation myth)
on the back burner or, better, in the slop pail. For the increased
glory of God. And the raising of
Christian children without irrational mystification of their tender
minds.

As St. Paul said love endures forever but our knowledge (and
preaching) is limited
and passing away (at least subject to extensive modification in the
light of
modern knowledge).

Both Jesus and St. Paul strongly advocate Christians love their
enemies. Even
intellectual opponents. That means we listen attentively to those who
beg to
differ re ancient time-worn doctrines.

Cactuswailer wrote:

Cactuswailer replies


Why put it in the pail and even use the name CHRISTian for yourself?

I use name Christian because I live in union with God through Jesus
Christ.
In other words like other Christians I have found life at its fullest
through allegiance to /friendship with/faith in Jesus Christ the Lord.

IOW you have been brainwashed - Congratuations !


Bob
Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist Brit.

Man creates his gods in his own image,
then spends the rest of his life
manipulating them to his heart's content

R E L I G I O N - it is all in the mind,
an escape from life's realities and hardships,
sixty percent




However, I don't think and Christian's life or faith is enriched by
hanging
onto dated ancient "truths." Especially, "truths" destroyed by modern
scientific knowledge. Trying reading Tom Harpur (Pagan Christ) or
Bishop John S. Spong (e.g. liberating the Gospels)

"bob young" <alaspectrum at (no spam) netvigator.com> skrev i melding
news:4ACEBB70.CA1B8A7D at (no spam) netvigator.com...


Cactuswailer wrote:

On Oct 8, 6:38 am, old man joe <ne... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
while the Evolutionist holds dear his belief that it life came into
being from elements
that are not alive... yet another black eye comes from his over-worthy
opponent.. the
Creationist.

such it is with the ' Harvest Moon.'

I and many other well-educated Christians accept evolution as a fact
and all encompassing
underpining of modern biology. We also believe in God. In other
words, God used the
amazing mechanism of evolution to bring forth the well-nigh infinited
variety of plant and
animal life on earth.

. . . . . and then left 'His Children' to wonder and argue in ignorance ?

Why would an all knowing God do that ?

There are no words from any god - all we hear are the words of frightened
humanity
claiming them to be the words of a god.

Very much a different thing.

About three years go a Japanese/British expedition sent a submersible
three miles below the
Pacific Ocean with cameras attached. The most interesting find at these
depths were lava
spouts which heated the surrounding water to surface temperatures over a
radius of about two
meters. Even at these depths and extremely high pressures, on closer
examination they found
small transparent blind fish feeding off plankton.

I suppose one of man's gods had a good reason to put them there, or was it
the heat of the
lava that made life possible, even at these depths and temperatures ?

Oh and if these weird fish are mentioned in the bible, references will be
welcomed. Thanks


So say,a God that made the creatures has to defend his making each and every
one that you can't see the meaning in creating, to be valid? Stranger
arguments
every day from you people. If there's a creator He can create whatever he
wants
no?

Saba




The recommendation: Put any literalist reading of Genesis 1 (an
ancient creation myth)
on the back burner or, better, in the slop pail. For the increased
glory of God. And the raising of
Christian children without irrational mystification of their tender
minds.

As St. Paul said love endures forever but our knowledge (and
preaching) is limited
and passing away (at least subject to extensive modification in the
light of
modern knowledge).

Both Jesus and St. Paul strongly advocate Christians love their
enemies. Even
intellectual opponents. That means we listen attentively to those who
beg to
differ re ancient time-worn doctrines.

"bob young" <alaspectrum at (no spam) netvigator.com> skrev i melding
news:4ACFFE31.7632566F at (no spam) netvigator.com...


Cactuswailer wrote:

Cactuswailer replies


Why put it in the pail and even use the name CHRISTian for yourself?

I use name Christian because I live in union with God through Jesus
Christ.
In other words like other Christians I have found life at its fullest
through allegiance to /friendship with/faith in Jesus Christ the Lord.

IOW you have been brainwashed - Congratuations !


Bob
Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist Brit.

All those things you are are total brainwash that you think you
have some sort of truth. It was all cooked up to fool mankind.

S

Man creates his gods in his own image,
then spends the rest of his life
manipulating them to his heart's content

R E L I G I O N - it is all in the mind,
an escape from life's realities and hardships,
sixty percent




However, I don't think and Christian's life or faith is enriched by
hanging
onto dated ancient "truths." Especially, "truths" destroyed by modern
scientific knowledge. Trying reading Tom Harpur (Pagan Christ) or
Bishop John S. Spong (e.g. liberating the Gospels)

Cactuswailer replies



Why put it in the pail and even use the name CHRISTian for yourself?

I use name Christian because I live in union with God through Jesus
Christ.
In other words like other Christians I have found life at its fullest
through allegiance to /friendship with/faith in Jesus Christ the Lord.

However, I don't think and Christian's life or faith is enriched by
hanging
onto dated ancient "truths."  Especially, "truths" destroyed by modern
scientific knowledge.  Trying reading Tom Harpur (Pagan Christ) or
Bishop John S. Spong (e.g.  liberating the Gospels)

curtjester1 wrote:
On Oct 8, 10:18 am, Cactuswailer <cactusw... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 8, 6:38 am, old man joe <ne... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

while the Evolutionist holds dear his belief that it life came into being from elements
that are not alive...  yet another black eye comes from his over-worthy opponent..  the
Creationist.

such it is with the ' Harvest Moon.'

I and many other well-educated Christians accept evolution as a fact
and all encompassing
underpining of modern biology.  We also believe in God.  In other
words, God used the
amazing mechanism of evolution to bring forth the well-nigh infinited
variety of plant and
animal life on earth.

The recommendation:  Put any literalist reading of Genesis 1 (an
ancient creation myth)
on the back burner or, better, in the slop pail.  For the increased
glory of God.  And the raising of
Christian children without irrational mystification of their tender
minds.

Why put it in the pail and even use the name CHRISTian for yourself?
Even Jesus knew of the creation as he was present in Prov. 8, and
commented about who created them male and female.

Produce proof

We'll trust the messenger, he's the most counted on messenger of

 Sure you can have
lots of means to accomplish the creation, but the fact that things
were created separately makes macro evolution mythic and micro just as
a means of accomplishment.  Trying to link backwards and try for
definition makes evolution lack crediblity as a science since there
are so many views and so many speculations made to sound
'authoritative'.  Sure makes more sense to me that a penis and vagina
were created for a purpose than to have male and females not co-
existing for the accomplishment of what we have today.   Most
Christians and many others would agree to that.  Jesus did.

Wonderful, a god's son needs a mere human to speak on it's behalf.

Wonderful that it was predicted that many would and many wouldn't.

What does that scream out loud and tell us ?


It takes at least two to Tango.

As St. Paul said  love endures forever but our knowledge (and
preaching) is limited
and passing away (at least subject to extensive modification in the
light of
modern knowledge).

Both Jesus and St. Paul strongly advocate Christians love their
enemies.  Even
intellectual opponents.  That means we listen attentively to those who
beg to
differ re ancient time-worn doctrines.

It's not hating the person, it's hating the concept or the sin, isn't
it?

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Cactuswailer wrote:
Cactuswailer replies

Why put it in the pail and even use the name CHRISTian for yourself?

I use name Christian because I live in union with God through Jesus
Christ.
In other words like other Christians I have found life at its fullest
through allegiance to /friendship with/faith in Jesus Christ the Lord.

IOW you have been brainwashed - Congratuations !

Bob
Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist Brit.

Man creates his gods in his own image,
then spends the rest of his life
manipulating them to his heart's content

R E L I G I O N - it is all in the mind,
an escape from life's realities and hardships,
sixty percent


Go easy on yourself. Think of it as a nice insurance plan with a good

However, I don't think and Christian's life or faith is enriched by
hanging
onto dated ancient "truths."  Especially, "truths" destroyed by modern
scientific knowledge.  Trying reading Tom Harpur (Pagan Christ) or
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"~.*.Saba Gracile.*.~" wrote:

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Cactuswailer wrote:

On Oct 8, 6:38 am, old man joe <ne... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
while the Evolutionist holds dear his belief that it life came into
being from elements
that are not alive... yet another black eye comes from his
over-worthy
opponent.. the
Creationist.

such it is with the ' Harvest Moon.'

I and many other well-educated Christians accept evolution as a fact
and all encompassing
underpining of modern biology. We also believe in God. In other
words, God used the
amazing mechanism of evolution to bring forth the well-nigh infinited
variety of plant and
animal life on earth.

. . . . . and then left 'His Children' to wonder and argue in ignorance
?

Why would an all knowing God do that ?

There are no words from any god - all we hear are the words of
frightened
humanity
claiming them to be the words of a god.

Very much a different thing.

About three years go a Japanese/British expedition sent a submersible
three miles below the
Pacific Ocean with cameras attached. The most interesting find at
these
depths were lava
spouts which heated the surrounding water to surface temperatures over
a
radius of about two
meters. Even at these depths and extremely high pressures, on closer
examination they found
small transparent blind fish feeding off plankton.

I suppose one of man's gods had a good reason to put them there, or was
it
the heat of the
lava that made life possible, even at these depths and temperatures ?

Oh and if these weird fish are mentioned in the bible, references will
be
welcomed. Thanks


So say,a God that made the creatures has to defend his making each and
every
one that you can't see the meaning in creating, to be valid? Stranger
arguments
every day from you people. If there's a creator He can create whatever he
wants
no?

If that is what you want to believe. He creates transparent fish three
miles
below the pacific and waits for six thousand years before anyone discovers
them
and what for exactly ?

He creates slugs that burrow under the skin of mammals to grow it's
offspring
causing extreme pain to the host mammal - some god

"The argument that there must be a first cause is one that cannot have any
validity. If anything must have a cause, then God must have a cause. If
there
can be anything without a cause, it may just as well be the world
[universe,
everything that exists] as God."
[Lord Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970)]

Saba




The recommendation: Put any literalist reading of Genesis 1 (an
ancient creation myth)
on the back burner or, better, in the slop pail. For the increased
glory of God. And the raising of
Christian children without irrational mystification of their tender
minds.

As St. Paul said love endures forever but our knowledge (and
preaching) is limited
and passing away (at least subject to extensive modification in the
light of
modern knowledge).

Both Jesus and St. Paul strongly advocate Christians love their
enemies. Even
intellectual opponents. That means we listen attentively to those who
beg to
differ re ancient time-worn doctrines.

"~.*.Saba Gracile.*.~" wrote:

"bob young" <alaspectrum at (no spam) netvigator.com> skrev i melding
news:4ACFFE31.7632566F at (no spam) netvigator.com...


Cactuswailer wrote:

Cactuswailer replies


Why put it in the pail and even use the name CHRISTian for yourself?

I use name Christian because I live in union with God through Jesus
Christ.
In other words like other Christians I have found life at its fullest
through allegiance to /friendship with/faith in Jesus Christ the Lord.

IOW you have been brainwashed - Congratuations !


Bob
Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist Brit.

All those things you are are total brainwash that you think you
have some sort of truth. It was all cooked up to fool mankind.

Mankind has indeed been fooled, by itself.

Had you the misfortune to have been orphaned at age two and then been
adopted by a Hindu family you would still be here, only this time you
would
be expounding the benefits of the god Ganesh - he is the one with a fat
stomach and the head of an elephant. He has millions of followers too,
aslo
fascinated by water and the after life.

Grow UP

You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible
fooleries
of magic and religion. Only man behaves with such gratuitous folly. It
is
the price he has to pay for being intelligent but not, as yet, quite
intelligent enough.
[Aldous Leonard Huxley]

S

Man creates his gods in his own image,
then spends the rest of his life
manipulating them to his heart's content

R E L I G I O N - it is all in the mind,
an escape from life's realities and hardships,
sixty percent




However, I don't think and Christian's life or faith is enriched by
hanging
onto dated ancient "truths." Especially, "truths" destroyed by modern
scientific knowledge. Trying reading Tom Harpur (Pagan Christ) or
Bishop John S. Spong (e.g. liberating the Gospels)

curtjester1 wrote:
On Oct 9, 11:24 pm, bob young <alaspect... at (no spam) netvigator.com> wrote:
curtjester1 wrote:
On Oct 8, 10:18 am, Cactuswailer <cactusw... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 8, 6:38 am, old man joe <ne... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

while the Evolutionist holds dear his belief that it life came into being from elements
that are not alive...  yet another black eye comes from his over-worthy opponent..  the
Creationist.

such it is with the ' Harvest Moon.'

I and many other well-educated Christians accept evolution as a fact
and all encompassing
underpining of modern biology.  We also believe in God.  In other
words, God used the
amazing mechanism of evolution to bring forth the well-nigh infinited
variety of plant and
animal life on earth.

The recommendation:  Put any literalist reading of Genesis 1 (an
ancient creation myth)
on the back burner or, better, in the slop pail.  For the increased
glory of God.  And the raising of
Christian children without irrational mystification of their tender
minds.

Why put it in the pail and even use the name CHRISTian for yourself?
Even Jesus knew of the creation as he was present in Prov. 8, and
commented about who created them male and female.

Produce proof

We'll trust the messenger, he's the most counted on messenger of
mankind's history.

Childish in the extreme

Factual is not your stong suit is it?

And of course, find us a scenario that the male
and female body parts were produced at different times to somehow come
together for a functional way of making life go......Easier for folk
to think of it as a project than a wayout lucky series of multi-
dimensional events..

What happens over billions of years is alien to the human mind but the concept is laced with
common sense and logic.

There is no *concept* over any amount of time for those developments.

Trying to claim a god did it, whilst this planet recorded on it thousands of them
is AGAIN highly childish

Making reproduction a product out of an imagination with no backing of

 . . . . . . and as for evolution take note :

About three years go a Japanese/British expedition sent a submersible three miles below the
Pacific Ocean with cameras attached.  The most interesting find at these depths were lava spouts
which heated the surrounding icy water to surface temperatures over a radius of about two meters.
Even at these depths and extremely high pressures, on closer examination they found small
transparent blind fish feeding off plankton.

Now about those eye's developing or other things like sex organs...is

I suppose one of man's gods had a good reason to put them there, or was it the heat of the lava
that made life possible, even at these depths and temperatures ?

How about any infinitual reasons? Maybe he wanted the other fish to

Oh and if these weird fish are mentioned in the bible, references will be welcomed.  Thanks

How old are you?

Failing that I suggest you go jesting somewhere else

Oh, you are quite jestable!!

Bob
Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist Brit.
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
(Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor)

Bob

Man creates his gods in his own image,
then spends the rest of his life
manipulating them to his heart's content

Spending time trying to prove the impossible. What more stupidity and

R E L I G I O N - it is all in the mind,
an escape from life's realities and hardships,
sixty percent ritual, forty percent fantasy


Commented on, but religion = lifestyle so the religion of atheism and

 Sure you can have
lots of means to accomplish the creation, but the fact that things
were created separately makes macro evolution mythic and micro just as
a means of accomplishment.  Trying to link backwards and try for
definition makes evolution lack crediblity as a science since there
are so many views and so many speculations made to sound
'authoritative'.  Sure makes more sense to me that a penis and vagina
were created for a purpose than to have male and females not co-
existing for the accomplishment of what we have today.   Most
Christians and many others would agree to that.  Jesus did.

Wonderful, a god's son needs a mere human to speak on it's behalf.

Wonderful that it was predicted that many would and many wouldn't.

What does that scream out loud and tell us ?

It takes at least two to Tango.

CJ

As St. Paul said  love endures forever but our knowledge (and
preaching) is limited
and passing away (at least subject to extensive modification in the
light of
modern knowledge).

Both Jesus and St. Paul strongly advocate Christians love their
enemies.  Even
intellectual opponents.  That means we listen attentively to those who
beg to
differ re ancient time-worn doctrines.

It's not hating the person, it's hating the concept or the sin, isn't
it?

CJ- Hide quoted text -

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"~.*.Saba Gracile.*.~" wrote:

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Cactuswailer wrote:

Cactuswailer replies


Why put it in the pail and even use the name CHRISTian for
yourself?

I use name Christian because I live in union with God through Jesus
Christ.
In other words like other Christians I have found life at its
fullest
through allegiance to /friendship with/faith in Jesus Christ the
Lord.

IOW you have been brainwashed - Congratuations !


Bob
Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist Brit.

All those things you are are total brainwash that you think you
have some sort of truth. It was all cooked up to fool mankind.

Mankind has indeed been fooled, by itself.

Had you the misfortune to have been orphaned at age two and then been
adopted by a Hindu family you would still be here, only this time you
would
be expounding the benefits of the god Ganesh - he is the one with a fat
stomach and the head of an elephant. He has millions of followers too,
aslo
fascinated by water and the after life.

Grow UP

You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible
fooleries
of magic and religion. Only man behaves with such gratuitous folly.
It
is
the price he has to pay for being intelligent but not, as yet, quite
intelligent enough.
[Aldous Leonard Huxley]

You didn't disagree, so people are brainwashed, as said.

They are indeed. Mao Tse Tung brainwshed nearly a billion people less
than
forty years ago to the extent that a good proportion of them thought that
he
was a go

S





S

Man creates his gods in his own image,
then spends the rest of his life
manipulating them to his heart's content

R E L I G I O N - it is all in the mind,
an escape from life's realities and hardships,
sixty percent




However, I don't think and Christian's life or faith is enriched by
hanging
onto dated ancient "truths." Especially, "truths" destroyed by
modern
scientific knowledge. Trying reading Tom Harpur (Pagan Christ) or
Bishop John S. Spong (e.g. liberating the Gospels)