Dr. House wrote:
On Aug 30, 12:09 pm, Ralph <mmman... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[...]
Heh, Jesus was an itinerant Jewish apocalyptic preacher, nothing more,
nothing less. Read the scriptures that were not doctored by the early
church and you will see.

Which scriptures would you recommend specifically for that evidence?

The ones that reference things like...that the law shall not be
changed...

that Jesus would return soon....that Jesus was not the 'son
of man'...

that the kingdom of god was earthly...

that Jesus believed his
disciples would rule the twelve kingdoms

and outside of the scriptures
the majority opinion of biblical scholars that Jesus was an apocalyptic
prophet.

Dr. House wrote:
On Aug 30, 12:09 pm, Ralph <mmman... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[...]
Heh, Jesus was an itinerant Jewish apocalyptic preacher, nothing more,
nothing less. Read the scriptures that were not doctored by the early
church and you will see.

Which scriptures would you recommend specifically for that evidence?

The ones that reference things like...that the law shall not be
changed... that Jesus would return soon....that Jesus was not the 'son
of man'...that the kingdom of god was earthly...that Jesus believed his
disciples would rule the twelve kingdoms and outside of the scriptures
the majority opinion of biblical scholars that Jesus was an apocalyptic
prophet.

On Aug 28, 11:00 pm, "Dr. House" <hsot... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 28, 10:53 pm, Terry Cross <tcros... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

[...]

The only religion that has EVER accused another religion of theft is
Judaism. As I suspected before, I suspect again: You are a Jew, and
the primary source of your hostility to Christianity is your Judaic
background.
Your hatred has nothing to do with reason, logic, or any other of your
many pretenses. You hate Christianity because of your Judaic
background.
Look out! There is a Jew under your bed - and two more in your closet!

Anti-Semitic conspiracies are the Eighth Wonder of the World. Anti-
Semitism seems to be the world's favorite pass-time.

TCross

On Aug 30, 5:23 am, Thommadura <tommad... at (no spam) optonline.net> wrote:
Terry Cross wrote:
On Aug 29, 8:07 am, Thommadura <tommad... at (no spam) optonline.net> wrote:
Terry Cross wrote:
I could explain it too you, but you have a terrible memory. Moses was
a monster, and his God is an atrocity. I am not a Christian. Jesus
repudiated Judaism, and Judaism repudiated Jesus. All the horrible
parts of the Bible are Jewish. The doctrines of Jesus constitute a
different religion. Those who try to marry the two (Judaism and
Jesus) are not following Jesus.
Do you think you can remember that for a couple of days?
Who cares
Apparently you are one who engages in conversation without any real
interest.
No - I ignore people who make claim like the ones you made above about
moses and the jewish god - jesus NEVER repudiated Judaism - he died a
jew in the MYTH - and never actually is proven to existed in reality.

Heh, good old Jewish propaganda right down to the last whisker. But
Jesus repudiated Jewish Kosher, Sabbath, race hatred, class hatred,
hereditary priesthood, neighborhood stoning, divorce by writ, virtue
by sophistry (legalism), misogyny, animal sacrifice, Temple ritual,
and public prayer, leaving nothing of Judaism.

In return, the Pharisees repudiated Jesus and had him crucified.

The doctrines of the christ were all done while he was supposedly a jew
- and therefore you must REJECT then as being JEWISH.


Jesus was a Jew like Buddha was a Hindu, and George Washington was
citizen of England.

TCross

On Aug 30, 12:05 pm, Ralph <mmman... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Terry Cross wrote:
On Aug 28, 11:00 pm, "Dr. House" <hsot... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 28, 10:53 pm, Terry Cross <tcros... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
[...]
The only religion that has EVER accused another religion of theft is
Judaism. As I suspected before, I suspect again: You are a Jew, and
the primary source of your hostility to Christianity is your Judaic
background.
Your hatred has nothing to do with reason, logic, or any other of your
many pretenses. You hate Christianity because of your Judaic
background.
Look out! There is a Jew under your bed - and two more in your closet!
Anti-Semitic conspiracies are the Eighth Wonder of the World. Anti-
Semitism seems to be the world's favorite pass-time.
TCross
I don't know what the world's favorite 'pass-time' is, but the
Christians favorite past-time is the defense of stealing the Jewish god.

That is a deliciously funny complaint for a Jewish Atheist, Ralph. It
just bristles with the kind of paranoia we have come to know and love
from your lot.

Only a Jew could complain that something was stolen from him that
could never be stolen and that he himself does not believe ever
existed.

Keep 'em coming.

TCross

On Aug 30, 12:09 pm, Ralph <mmman... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[...]
Heh, Jesus was an itinerant Jewish apocalyptic preacher, nothing more,
nothing less. Read the scriptures that were not doctored by the early
church and you will see.

Which scriptures would you recommend specifically for that evidence?

Terry Cross wrote:
On Aug 30, 2:09 pm, Ralph <mmman... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Dr. House wrote:
On Aug 30, 12:09 pm, Ralph <mmman... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[...]
Heh, Jesus was an itinerant Jewish apocalyptic preacher, nothing more,
nothing less. Read the scriptures that were not doctored by the early
church and you will see.
Which scriptures would you recommend specifically for that evidence?
The ones that reference things like...that the law shall not be
changed...

But Jesus changed the "law."

Did he? Or did the first Christian church write that he did? The writer
of Matthew thinks he said this: Matthew 5:18 states that "Till heaven
and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the
law, till all be fulfilled".

that Jesus would return soon....that Jesus was not the 'son
of man'...
But that is what he called himself.

Again, Jesus refers to the 'son of man' as a personage distinct from
himself. In Mark 8:38 Jesus clearly references a 'son of man' who is
different from himself. Perhaps the triune has a fourth personage, the
'son of man'!

In Matthew 18:11 Jesus does refer to himself as the 'son of man',
however, since that phraseology is missing from the earliest and best
manuscripts it would appear to be just one of a plethora of early
Christian forgeries. Ahh..that's what is so great about the Christian
bible, it can give support to almost any position one would care to
take:-)))).

Well I know the Bible is a hoge poge of different ideas because it's
various authors did not agree about many things, but I was hopping you
would have more specifics.  Eh, I'll find them on my own then.  Thanks
anyway.

Sorry House, I assumed that you were just a lackey for Cross. I knew you
weren't a creationist but I guess I forgot it.

The early scriptures give evidence of this. You can eliminate John as it
is nothing more than a theology of the earliest church.

It didn't mean for my reply to sound flippant.

The gospel of Mark is a
fine example of Jesus as an apocalyptic Jewish prophet. When you read
Mark note the references to the coming pending judgment and the time
frame involved.

As I said to Cross, biblical scholars from early on such as Albert
Schweitzer to modern day scholars like Metzger and Ehrman, among others,
agree that Jesus was just what poor old Jesus thought he was until the
Christians changed it.

Dr. House wrote:
On Aug 30, 2:09 pm, Ralph <mmman... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Dr. House wrote:
On Aug 30, 12:09 pm, Ralph <mmman... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[...]
Heh, Jesus was an itinerant Jewish apocalyptic preacher, nothing more,
nothing less. Read the scriptures that were not doctored by the early
church and you will see.
Which scriptures would you recommend specifically for that evidence?
The ones that reference things like...that the law shall not be
changed... that Jesus would return soon....that Jesus was not the 'son
of man'...that the kingdom of god was earthly...that Jesus believed his
disciples would rule the twelve kingdoms and outside of the scriptures
the majority opinion of biblical scholars that Jesus was an apocalyptic
prophet.

Well I know the Bible is a hoge poge of different ideas because it's
various authors did not agree about many things, but I was hopping you
would have more specifics.  Eh, I'll find them on my own then.  Thanks
anyway.

I was looking for a new book to order and found this statement by Ehrman
regarding the apocalyptic prophet:

"The Jesus of history, contrary to modern "common sense"...was not a
proponent of "family values." He urged his followers to abandon their
homes and forsake families for the sake of the Kingdom that was soon to
arrive. He didn't encourage people to pursue fulfilling careers, make a
good living, and work for a just society for the long haul; for him,
there wasn't going to *be a long haul. The end of the world as we know
it was already at hand. The Son of Man would soon arrive, bringing
condemnation and judgement against those who prospered in this age,

but
salvation and justice to the poor, downtrodden, and oppressed. People
should sacrifice everything for his coming, lest they be caught unawares
and cast out of the Kingdom that was soon to arrive."

On Aug 30, 2:09 pm, Ralph <mmman... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Dr. House wrote:
On Aug 30, 12:09 pm, Ralph <mmman... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[...]
Heh, Jesus was an itinerant Jewish apocalyptic preacher, nothing more,
nothing less. Read the scriptures that were not doctored by the early
church and you will see.
Which scriptures would you recommend specifically for that evidence?
The ones that reference things like...that the law shall not be
changed... that Jesus would return soon....that Jesus was not the 'son
of man'...that the kingdom of god was earthly...that Jesus believed his
disciples would rule the twelve kingdoms and outside of the scriptures
the majority opinion of biblical scholars that Jesus was an apocalyptic
prophet.

Well I know the Bible is a hoge poge of different ideas because it's
various authors did not agree about many things, but I was hopping you
would have more specifics. Eh, I'll find them on my own then. Thanks
anyway.

On Aug 30, 2:09 pm, Ralph <mmman... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Dr. House wrote:
On Aug 30, 12:09 pm, Ralph <mmman... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[...]
Heh, Jesus was an itinerant Jewish apocalyptic preacher, nothing more,
nothing less. Read the scriptures that were not doctored by the early
church and you will see.
Which scriptures would you recommend specifically for that evidence?
The ones that reference things like...that the law shall not be
changed... that Jesus would return soon....that Jesus was not the 'son
of man'...that the kingdom of god was earthly...that Jesus believed his
disciples would rule the twelve kingdoms and outside of the scriptures
the majority opinion of biblical scholars that Jesus was an apocalyptic
prophet.

Well I know the Bible is a hoge poge of different ideas because it's
various authors did not agree about many things, but I was hopping you
would have more specifics. Eh, I'll find them on my own then. Thanks
anyway.

On Aug 30, 5:13 am, Thommadura <tommad... at (no spam) optonline.net> wrote:
Terry Cross wrote:
IT is interesting that theists like to bring up POLITICAL action to
blame atheists. YOUR own statement about pol pot - in eliminating ALL
culture - was not targeting religion - but culture.

Cult/culture is really the same. Look it up. You engaged in a
neologism, and I called you on it.

Sorry - but CULT - and Culture have different definitions as well -

Cult (Page: 355)
Cult (k?lt) n .[F. culte, L. cultus care, culture, fr. colere to
cultivate. Cf. Cultus.]
1. Attentive care; homage; worship.
Every one is convinced of the reality of a better self, and of.
thecult or homage which is due to it.

Shaftesbury.
2. A system of religious belief and worship.
That which was the religion of Moses is the ceremonial or cult of
the religion of Christ. Coleridge.

http://machaut.uchicago.edu/?resource=Webster%27s&word=cult&use1913=on&use1828=on

"Cult" as you use it is a neologism of the ignorant and the hateful.

TCross

Terry Cross wrote:
On Aug 30, 5:23 am, Thommadura <tommad... at (no spam) optonline.net> wrote:
Terry Cross wrote:
On Aug 29, 8:07 am, Thommadura <tommad... at (no spam) optonline.net> wrote:
Terry Cross wrote:
I could explain it too you, but you have a terrible memory. Moses was
a monster, and his God is an atrocity. I am not a Christian. Jesus
repudiated Judaism, and Judaism repudiated Jesus. All the horrible
parts of the Bible are Jewish. The doctrines of Jesus constitute a
different religion. Those who try to marry the two (Judaism and
Jesus) are not following Jesus.
Do you think you can remember that for a couple of days?
Who cares
Apparently you are one who engages in conversation without any real
interest.
No - I ignore people who make claim like the ones you made above about
moses and the jewish god - jesus NEVER repudiated Judaism - he died a
jew in the MYTH - and never actually is proven to existed in reality.

Heh, good old Jewish propaganda right down to the last whisker. But
Jesus repudiated Jewish Kosher, Sabbath, race hatred, class hatred,
hereditary priesthood, neighborhood stoning, divorce by writ, virtue
by sophistry (legalism), misogyny, animal sacrifice, Temple ritual,
and public prayer, leaving nothing of Judaism.

In return, the Pharisees repudiated Jesus and had him crucified.

The MYTH may have done that one - but the story is a fiction - and
cannot be proven to be truth.

However - no one had the christ crucified - the real christ has not yet
come.

Terry Cross wrote:
On Aug 30, 6:09 pm, Ralph <mmman... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Dr. House wrote:
On Aug 30, 2:09 pm, Ralph <mmman... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Dr. House wrote:
On Aug 30, 12:09 pm, Ralph <mmman... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[...]
Heh, Jesus was an itinerant Jewish apocalyptic preacher, nothing more,
nothing less. Read the scriptures that were not doctored by the early
church and you will see.
Which scriptures would you recommend specifically for that evidence?
The ones that reference things like...that the law shall not be
changed... that Jesus would return soon....that Jesus was not the 'son
of man'...that the kingdom of god was earthly...that Jesus believed his
disciples would rule the twelve kingdoms and outside of the scriptures
the majority opinion of biblical scholars that Jesus was an apocalyptic
prophet.
Well I know the Bible is a hoge poge of different ideas because it's
various authors did not agree about many things, but I was hopping you
would have more specifics.  Eh, I'll find them on my own then.  Thanks
anyway.
I was looking for a new book to order and found this statement by Ehrman
regarding the apocalyptic prophet:

"The Jesus of history, contrary to modern "common sense"...was not a
proponent of "family values." He urged his followers to abandon their
homes and forsake families for the sake of the Kingdom that was soon to
arrive. He didn't encourage people to pursue fulfilling careers, make a
good living, and work for a just society for the long haul; for him,
there wasn't going to *be a long haul. The end of the world as we know
it was already at hand. The Son of Man would soon arrive, bringing
condemnation and judgement against those who prospered in this age,

Thought for a minute Mr. Ehrman was irrefutable, but true to form, he
got too full of himself and wandered off the track.  Change an
eyebrow, muddy a concept, and suddenly Jesus becomes an early
socialist.

Gee Cross, if I remember the New Testament correctly, and after 45 years
as a Southern Baptist I think I do, Jesus did exactly what Ehrman said
he did. Perhaps in your Christian glazed eyes you missed much of the NT.

On Aug 30, 6:09 pm, Ralph <mmman... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Dr. House wrote:
On Aug 30, 2:09 pm, Ralph <mmman... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Dr. House wrote:
On Aug 30, 12:09 pm, Ralph <mmman... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[...]
Heh, Jesus was an itinerant Jewish apocalyptic preacher, nothing more,
nothing less. Read the scriptures that were not doctored by the early
church and you will see.
Which scriptures would you recommend specifically for that evidence?
The ones that reference things like...that the law shall not be
changed... that Jesus would return soon....that Jesus was not the 'son
of man'...that the kingdom of god was earthly...that Jesus believed his
disciples would rule the twelve kingdoms and outside of the scriptures
the majority opinion of biblical scholars that Jesus was an apocalyptic
prophet.
Well I know the Bible is a hoge poge of different ideas because it's
various authors did not agree about many things, but I was hopping you
would have more specifics. Eh, I'll find them on my own then. Thanks
anyway.
I was looking for a new book to order and found this statement by Ehrman
regarding the apocalyptic prophet:

"The Jesus of history, contrary to modern "common sense"...was not a
proponent of "family values." He urged his followers to abandon their
homes and forsake families for the sake of the Kingdom that was soon to
arrive. He didn't encourage people to pursue fulfilling careers, make a
good living, and work for a just society for the long haul; for him,
there wasn't going to *be a long haul. The end of the world as we know
it was already at hand. The Son of Man would soon arrive, bringing
condemnation and judgement against those who prospered in this age,


Thought for a minute Mr. Ehrman was irrefutable, but true to form, he
got too full of himself and wandered off the track. Change an
eyebrow, muddy a concept, and suddenly Jesus becomes an early
socialist.

but
salvation and justice to the poor, downtrodden, and oppressed. People
should sacrifice everything for his coming, lest they be caught unawares
and cast out of the Kingdom that was soon to arrive."


Pitiful.

TCross