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1X2Willows...

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:58 pm

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Stacey Weinberger wrote:

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Dana wrote

Care to share here? ...

Oh it was just a brief discussion when we were walking back from a
panel. I forgot how we got on the topic but I mentioned the Gaulish
Celts and Arduinne and he actually knew who I was talking about. We
might have been talking about how some "mix and match" pantheons
or how I was interested particularly in the Gaulish deities. He's quite
a friendly fellow.

Well for starters, the ongoing confusion is rooted in the judeo-christian
terminology which, unfortunately, is also employed by scholars even if
they're just general deists, gnostics, what-have-you or even atheists but
nevertheless of the afore-mentioned judeo-christian background (which
amounts to ~100%, as hardly anyone of those is even second generation
heathen and far less longer than two generations).

We're talking the sort of western theologian and western scientific insider
jargon which may suffice for the explanation of foreign 'beliefs' amongst
themselves, within the frame of that mindset, yet still a vocabulary simply
unable to discribe the state of affairs correctly where it comes to
pre-christian spirituality and 'religion'. ( the usage of terms like beliefs
and religion already being iffy )

Speaking of Gaulish "deities" and a Gaulish "pantheon" are two cases of
such misnomers, a third one would be "worship" for example. More fittingly,
the vast amount of entities of which Arduinne is only one can reasonably
be compared to the concept of Kachina in Hopi and Zuni cosmology;
also animist/pantheist like the pre-Roman Gauls themselves.

Let's compare Wiki entries for grins and giggles:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arduinne
"In Celtic mythology, Arduinna (Arduina, Arduinnae, Arduinne) was the
eponymous goddess of the Ardennes Forest and region"

Hogwash. The other way around. It's not that Gauls in the region "believed"
in some "goddess" called Arduinne and named their forest after her. Quite
obvious the forest_WAS_the_namesake_entity and this got later corrupted
into a deist explanation by way of misinterpretation from the outside.
(First Interpratatio Romana, from there on to judeo-christian apologetics)

"In 565, St. Walfroy (Wulfilaïc) preached to the local population of
Villers-devant-Orval to persuade them to abandon worship of Arduinna."

Bullcrap. This sentence (taken from the annals of the Christian Church
of course) implies that Arduinna has been "worshipped", which certainly
isn't true. Respected, yes. Honored, yes. Then and again presented with
offerings, most likely. Worshipped as one would worship a deity? Naaah.

Now let's see what the other one has to say
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kachina
"In Hopi, the word qatsina means literally "life bringer" and can be
anything that exists in the natural world or cosmos. A kachina can represent
anything from a revered ancestor, to an element, a location, a quality, a
natural phenomenon, or a concept. ... Although not worshipped, each is
viewed as a powerful being who, if given veneration and respect, can use
their particular power for human good, ..."

Beautiful. Fits like a glove. Check with all your scientific sources for
behavorial patterns, sociologic cross-references, archaeoligic (material)
finds, the whole nine yards. There's your Gaulish "pantheon of deities",
only without these wretched misnomers for a change. Smile

Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole...

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:54 pm

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Stacey Weinberger wrote:

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"1X2Willows" <nospam at (no spam) least.invalid> wrote in message
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Stacey Weinberger wrote:
Dana wrote

Care to share here? ...

Oh it was just a brief discussion when we were walking back from a
panel. I forgot how we got on the topic but I mentioned the Gaulish
Celts and Arduinne and he actually knew who I was talking about. We
might have been talking about how some "mix and match" pantheons
or how I was interested particularly in the Gaulish deities. He's quite
a friendly fellow.

Haven't heard that name proper before, similar but not that one.

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Sorta Kinda the problem yes.
Hey I went researching my Family Tree, and ran into a Curse from Rome.
The Study of My Family History is known to cause the only KNOWN TRUE POSSESSION.

Researching it is an Excommunicable Offense!!!!!!!

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We're talking the sort of western theologian and western scientific
insider
jargon which may suffice for the explanation of foreign 'beliefs' amongst
themselves, within the frame of that mindset, yet still a vocabulary
simply
unable to discribe the state of affairs correctly where it comes to
pre-christian spirituality and 'religion'. ( the usage of terms like
beliefs
and religion already being iffy )

No, Elves, the Alfar, are the Children of the Elph.
(old Sanskrit thingy, who cares).

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Speaking of Gaulish "deities" and a Gaulish "pantheon" are two cases of
such misnomers,

NO!
No it is Not!
Celtic Knowledge of the Gaelic way is not empirical evidence.

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a third one would be "worship" for example. More
fittingly,
the vast amount of entities of which Arduinne is only one can reasonably
be compared to the concept of Kachina in Hopi and Zuni cosmology;

I find that a lot!!

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also animist/pantheist like the pre-Roman Gauls themselves.

As in Totemic???

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Let's compare Wiki entries for grins and giggles:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arduinne
"In Celtic mythology, Arduinna (Arduina, Arduinnae, Arduinne) was the
eponymous goddess of the Ardennes Forest and region"

Hogwash. The other way around. It's not that Gauls in the region
"believed"
in some "goddess" called Arduinne and named their forest after her. Quite
obvious the forest_WAS_the_namesake_entity and this got later corrupted
into a deist explanation by way of misinterpretation from the outside.

Sort of, but then as Children of Nature, they are Named for Nature.
The Mountain which was brought forth from the Sea, the union of the Glacier and
the Mountain, from which came the River, the River Carved the Valley's and fed
the Alpine Meadows, from the River came the Djaff, Lake or Oasis, from the
whom came again The River.
When the River Joins the Ocean, the Salmon of Knowledge Run.

Akins of that Ilk...

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 1:18 pm

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I think most people forget that in addition to Gods and Goddesses of
the Classical Greek and Roman pantheos, there were also lesser
entities known as Daemons - spiritual beings that existed in the
world, neither good nor ill, but of a status somewhat below that of
the Gods proper. Of course the Christian church was responsible for
perpetrating the fraud that all Pagan gods are demons (the word comes
from the same root, as does the persian Djinn (genius/genie); but that
is not to say that the Gauls, the Irish and the Britons did not have
gods and goddesses proper, just as the Greeks, Romans and Norse did.
In fact, most of the major deities are found under similar names in
all three cultures: Brigandos of Gaul was Brighid of Ireland and
Brigantia of Britain; Lugos of Gaul was of course Lugh in Ireland and
Lleu in Britain. Taranis of Gaul was Tuireann in Ireland and Taran in
Britain; Ogmios in Gaul was Ogma in Ireland; Mananos of Gaul wasa the
same as Manannan in Ireland and Manawydan in Britain, etc., etc.

An Coibhi Drui...

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 5:09 pm

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On Sep 9, 11:18 pm, Akins of that Ilk <stevenak... at (no spam) bellsouth.net>
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Just the way the more recent Gauls pronounced and spelled the ancient
Irish gods and goddesses names. But like Christianity, all these gods
and goddesses were solely for the consumption of the people, the
Druids never believed in them for a moment, they were and are like '
parables' , 'metaphors' , myths & legends to explain the different
energies and forces , and I think that this is what you are more or
less thinking and saying.. But at the head of all these forces and
energies, or rather behind them, stood the Vast Deep reverenced in
particular by the Druids themselves, and drawn upon by them too, a
sort of a vortex of spiritual energy that energises the physical
energy of this existence - these pulsed the Big Bang to create our
universe just as they create countless other universes , circles
within circles, areas parallel to areas - the human race will actually
pass through the portals some day again as I an convinced our Druids
did .And that's why I always say that Druidism will be the religion of
the Space Age, but several hundred years away from us yet in our
universal time, though, yes, it is possible to time travel too. We are
getting there .

Cheers,
Michael.

An Coibhi Drui...

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:16 pm

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Back to bed, I'll see the resumption of this battle of wits again
tomorrow . ( Akin will have to be able to cope with Dan's acerbic
wit !!! ) .

Night,

Michael.

An Coibhi Drui...

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:21 pm

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On Sep 10, 4:16 am, An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke... at (no spam) gmail.com>
wrote:

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Back to bed, I'll see the resumption of this battle of wits again
tomorrow . ( Akin will have to be able to cope with Dan's acerbic
wit !!! ) .

Night,

Michael.

( Warning , Akin: Dan calculates the angle of elevation for the
artillery, probes your defences too, then Dana & Noinden lay on the
barrage, mercillessly . )

Akins of that Ilk...

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 4:43 pm

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On Sep 10, 8:35 pm, An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke... at (no spam) gmail.com>
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Yes, Akins, but I see a fatal flaw, the Druids never knew anything
about all that Celtic mythology you include, the monks who came along
centuries later composed all that stuff .- Hide quoted text -

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Actually the monks wrote down the stories pretty much as they had been
told for centuries, well before the coming of Christianity to the
Islands. Now what the monks did do was to put their own Christian spin
on things, to make the old myths fit in with Biblical history. That,
of course, is what is wrong with all the medieval Irish texts that
recount the Irish mythological cycle in the corrupted Christianized
form. The Lebor Feasa Runda has none of that, it is purely pagan,
being Ollamh Fodhla's account of what was revealed to him by a
messenger of the Aes Sidhe:

The Testament of Ollamh Fodhla

"Hear now the words of Eochaidh Ollamh Fodhla, the High King of
Ireland, who spake unto his son, Cairbre, saying, “Value, O my son
Cairbre, the wisdom of my words, seeing that I, Eochaidh, have
received this from the Áes Sídhe.”

Then answered Cairbre, saying, “How hath it come to pass that I
deserve to follow the way of my father Eochaidh in such things, who
hast been found worthy to receive the knowledge of all great mysteries
through the teaching of the Áes Sídhe?”

And Ollamh Fodhla said, “Hear, O my son, and receive my words, and
learn the
wonders of the Áes Sídhe. For on a certain night, when I stood upon
the Hill of Tara overlooking my kingdom, I heard a voice carried upon
the wind which spake my name and I puzzled over this and asked who
called unto me. Then did there appear before me a messenger of the Áes
Sídhe, even Nemglan, who spoke many things graciously unto me, and
said, ‘Listen, O Eochaidh! For long hast thou ruled justly over
Ireland and great is thy knowledge and learning, and deep is thy
wisdom, so that it hath been ordained that I have been sent forth from
Tir Tairngire to complete thy understanding of all things seen and
unseen that are yet unknown to the mortal race of men.’

“And when I heard the words which were spoken unto me, I perceived
that in me had the knowledge of all things, of both the mortal and
immortal realms, been imparted; and I saw that all the teachings and
learning of this present age were astray, and that no man was without
flaw.

Thenceforth I inscribed in ogham characters upon staves of yew wood a
certain record in which I have revealed the secret of secrets, and in
which I have vouchsafed them hidden, and I have also therein related
all history of the origins of our race and all knowledge of the
immortal gods and of their dealings with mankind, and explained all
wonders whatsoever of the magical arts of every adept; along with all
marvels or undertakings, namely, of those mysteries which are in any
wise worthy of being achieved. These things and more I have concealed
upon these staves so that as a key openeth a locked door, so this
testament alone may open the knowledge and understanding of all the
sacred mysteries.

“Wherefore, O my son, thou mayest know all rites and rituals of every
ceremony for calling upon and having dealings with the immortal gods,
and through the conjuration of them by means of sacred proceedings as
thou shalt see rightly set down by me, thou mayest work wonders
through mastering the power of this knowledge, which I have set forth;
even the ways of divination whereby all things which are in the
Universe, and which have been in days long past, and which are yet to
come to pass in future ages, may be revealed.

“Therefore, O my son Cairbre, I command thee by the benediction which
thou expecteth from thy father, that thou shalt fashion a vault of
stone, and therein place, conceal, and secure this my testament; and
when I shall have passed away unto my fathers, I beseech thee to place
the same in my tomb beside me, lest in another age it might fall into
the hands of the profane.” And as Ollamh Fodhla commanded, so was it
done.

And when, thereafter many generations had passed, there was held every
third year on Samhain a Feis at Tara to which all the noblemen and
scholars of Ireland did gather, and there came to Loughcrew unto the
tomb of Ollamh Fodhla certain Druids; and when they had assembled they
at once took counsel together that a certain number of men should
restore the grave in Ollamh Fodhla’s honor; and when the tomb was
uncovered to be restored, the vault of stone was discovered, and
therein were the ogham staves, which they beheld with joyous hearts,
and when they looked upon them none among them could discern their
message by reason of the obscurity of the words and their arcane
arrangement, and the occult essence of the meaning and knowledge
contained therein, for they were not deserving to possess this
treasure.

Thereupon, arose among the Druids, one more righteous than the others,
both in the sight of the gods, and by reason of his age, who was
called Mogh Ruith, and said unto the others, “Unless we shall go forth
and ask the interpretation of this testament from the gods with piety
and humility, we shall never discern the meaning of it.”

Therefore, when each of the Druids had retired to his abode, Mogh
Ruith indeed fell upon his knees to the ground in great consternation
and said, “What have I deserved above others, seeing that so many men
can neither understand nor interpret this knowledge, even though there
be no secret thing in nature which the gods hath hidden from me!
Wherefore are these words so inscrutable? Wherefore am I so
ignorant?”

And then on his bended knees, turning his eyes to the heavens, he
said, “O gods, who are the creators of all, thou who knowest all
things, who gavest such great wisdom unto Ollamh Fodhla the king of
Ireland; grant unto me, I beseech thee, O mysterious, powerful and
wondrous Sídhe, to receive the virtue of that wisdom, so that I may
become worthy by thine aid to discern the understanding of these
staves of mystery.”

And immediately there appeared unto him, a messenger of the Áes Sídhe,
saying, “Dost thou remember that if the secrets of Ollamh Fodhla
appear arcane and obscure unto thee, that the gods hath wished it so
that such wisdom may not fall into the hands of profane men; wherefore
dost thou promise unto me, that thou art not willing that such great
knowledge should ever come to any living creature, and that which thou
revealest unto any let them know that they must keep it unto
themselves, otherwise the sanctity is defiled and no effect can
follow?”

And Mogh Ruith answered, “I vow unto thee that to none shall I reveal
them, save to the honor of the gods, and with much discipline, unto
discerning, erudite, and righteous persons.” Then answered the
messenger, “Go forth and read the testament, and its words which were
obscure throughout shall be made manifest unto thee.” And after this
the messenger returned to the realm of Siabra in a peal of thunder.

Then Mogh Ruith was glad, and laboring with a clear mind, understood
that which the messenger of the Áes Sídhe had said, and he saw that
the testament of Ollamh Fodhla was changed, so that it became
discernable unto him and made apparent in all parts. And Mogh Ruith
understood that this work might fall into the hands of the ignorant,
and he said, “I conjure him into whose hands this secret may come, by
the power of the gods, and their wisdom, that in all things they may
desire, intend and perform, that this treasure may come unto no
unworthy person, nor may they manifest it unto any who is unwise, nor
unto one who regardeth not the gods; for if they act otherwise, I
decree that they may never be worthy to attain unto the desired
effect.”

And so he deposited the ogham staves, which Ollamh Fodhla preserved,
in the vault of stone. But the words of the testament are as follows,
hereafter written....."

1X2Willows...

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:01 pm

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Akins of that Ilk wrote:

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On Sep 10, 6:02 pm, "1X2Willows" wrote:

You don't speak German and far less "fluent".
Case dismissed.

And you obviously assume things without any basis for your
assumptions. I've never claimed to be a German speaker. I merely
translated the photocopies I was given of a text typewritten German
into English. Celtic myth and history are my areas of research and
understanding.

I, like any other person with at least two brain cells to rub together
assume indeed, that someone who claims to have translated a foreign
language text into English has got to be fluent in both languages, yes.
This is completely normal, not too much to ask for and standard procedure.

You're nothing but a ham-acting Hoaxter Mr. Akins and even a lousy one
at that. Good grief! this other one with Hitler's diaries had at least some
talent and decorum. Your ripoff Bible on the other hand is worthless junk.

1X2Willows...

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:00 pm

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Akins of that Ilk wrote:

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On Sep 10, 8:35 pm, An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:

Yes, Akins, but I see a fatal flaw, the Druids never knew anything
about all that Celtic mythology you include, the monks who came along
centuries later composed all that stuff .

Actually the monks wrote down the stories pretty much as they had been
told for centuries, well before the coming of Christianity to the
Islands. Now what the monks did do was to put their own Christian spin
on things, to make the old myths fit in with Biblical history. That,
of course, is what is wrong with all the medieval Irish texts that
recount the Irish mythological cycle in the corrupted Christianized
form. The Lebor Feasa Runda has none of that, it is purely pagan,
being Ollamh Fodhla's account of what was revealed to him by a
messenger of the Aes Sidhe:

The Testament of Ollamh Fodhla

"Hear now the words of Eochaidh Ollamh Fodhla, the High King of
Ireland, who spake unto his son, Cairbre, saying, “Value, O my son
Cairbre, the wisdom of my words, seeing that I, Eochaidh, have
received this from the Áes Sídhe.”

HA HA HA what a Vaudeville act

Hot Dogs anyone? Peanuts and Hot Dogs!

Dana...

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:05 pm

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"1X2Willows" <nospam at (no spam) least.invalid> wrote in message
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Akins of that Ilk wrote:
On Sep 10, 8:35 pm, An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:

Yes, Akins, but I see a fatal flaw, the Druids never knew anything
about all that Celtic mythology you include, the monks who came along
centuries later composed all that stuff .

Actually the monks wrote down the stories pretty much as they had been
told for centuries, well before the coming of Christianity to the
Islands. Now what the monks did do was to put their own Christian spin
on things, to make the old myths fit in with Biblical history. That,
of course, is what is wrong with all the medieval Irish texts that
recount the Irish mythological cycle in the corrupted Christianized
form. The Lebor Feasa Runda has none of that, it is purely pagan,
being Ollamh Fodhla's account of what was revealed to him by a
messenger of the Aes Sidhe:

The Testament of Ollamh Fodhla

"Hear now the words of Eochaidh Ollamh Fodhla, the High King of
Ireland, who spake unto his son, Cairbre, saying, "Value, O my son
Cairbre, the wisdom of my words, seeing that I, Eochaidh, have
received this from the Áes Sídhe."

HA HA HA what a Vaudeville act

Hot Dogs anyone? Peanuts and Hot Dogs!

When's the 7th inning stretch????? Why does the beer cost $7????

Take me out to the ball game........

1X2Willows...

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:51 pm

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Akins of that Ilk wrote:

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Okay, the onus is on you to provide any other single contemporary
reference that the Druids forbid their teaching to be recorded in
writing. Caesar is the only contemporary source to mention this, and
it is clear that he is speculating when he says that students of the
Druids were forbidden to take notes on their lessons so as to
strenghten the power of their memory. No other contemporary source
exists that says anything similar - none. If you can furnish any,
please feel free to do so, provided they are source material written
during the time when Druidism still flourished. What others had to say
centuries later during the Christian era is not admissable, since they
are only parroting Caesar.

What coincidence, I hold in my hand a note which says exactly that.

"And Lo! None of our Druidic teachings, nor myth nor lore shall ever be
written down, by penalty of death, as this has always been our custom
and tradition from time immemorial. So says I, Divitiacus of the Aedui,
Druid of our people, to whom it may concern. That'll be 3 Sestertii please".

Of course I don't have the original but a photocopy of a typed translation
into Rumantsch. Though I don't speak Rumantsch and there isn't even
an online translator for Rumantsch which would be able to handle
the language's spirit and colloquialisms, I'm just going to go ahead
and simply claim I know exactly what it says and you better believe it.

:-)an

Akins of that Ilk...

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:03 pm

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On Sep 11, 7:33 pm, An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke... at (no spam) gmail.com>
wrote:

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On Sep 11, 11:08 pm, "1X2Willows" <nos... at (no spam) least.invalid> wrote:

Akins of that Bilk wrote:

On Sep 11, 11:43 am, "1X2Willows" wrote:
[....]
Trying to suggest there has ever been a homogenous "Celtic religion"
is as idiotic as claiming all Native American tribes believe in
"Manitou".

dig? :-)

The didn't call themselves "Gauls," of course,

correct

so, help me along here... what tribe are we talking which is supposed
to have adhered to that outlandish book religion you're peddling?

the Irish?

We will, yeah, if Akins gives us a share in the Book, to write the
Script - and the Film Rights too Smile

The ancient Irish legends would make for a tremendous motion picture
saga. You have the Fomorians representing the primordeal forces of
darkness, the Tuatha De Danann as the gods of light, and mankind, the
descendants of both these forces, expelled from the immortal realm by
the pride of Tuireann. Man's struggle to reach his destiny, symbolized
by the repeated attempts to colonize Ireland; the sinking of Tir
nan'Og to become Tir fo Thonn, to prevent it from falling into
Fomorian hands after the Fomorian prince Elatha seduced the De Danann
Eriu, impregnating her with Bres. The Exodus of the Tuatha De to
Ireland and their struggles against the Fir Bolg and the Fomorians to
gan dominance over it, and the eventual downfall of the De Dananns at
the hands of mankind and their banishment to the Sidhe. The trickery
of the Fomorians to get mankind to worship Crom Cruaich and the
decimation of Tighernmass and his followers, then the revelation of
Druidism to Ollamh Fodhla teaching how the Tuatha De Danann should be
honored through the rites and practices he set down in the Lebor Feasa
Runda......quite the Pagan epic.

Kent...

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:58 pm

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On Sep 11, 5:07 pm, Akins of that Ilk <stevenak... at (no spam) bellsouth.net>
wrote:

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On Sep 11, 6:32 pm, Kent <kent... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 11, 1:55 pm, Noinden <noin... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 11, 3:28 pm, "1X2Willows" <nos... at (no spam) least.invalid> wrote:

Noinden wrote:

It is not out of context. It quite clearly states that the Druids do
not see it as priroper to commit spiritual matters to writing. If one
is learning an oral tradition, there are no books. A Druid is not
going to write down all that important information after they earn the
rank either. It is simple logic. Occam’s razor. Try being familiar
with it. It is what I am used to decide your book was bunk, and other
things you say are bunk.

- and most of all, Druidry is alive and changing with the times. Always
has, always will. This in complete contrast to Akins' Abrahamic notion
of something "graven in stone" and supported by some silly "Holy Book".

Aaaah those recovering Church-goers...

the 10 commandments of Akins?

Can't you just picture him? Swaggering out of the Sidhe Mound in his
white robe, golden sickle gleaning at his side, nemyss fluttering in
the breeze, bundles of ogam inscribed yew staves under both arms and
declaring "Behold! The Holy Words of Eochaid!" Too bad Chuck Heston
couldn't play Akins' role in the movie, he'd already have the scene
memorized!

So, if this "Holy Druidic Scripture" has been "needed" for the past
1500 years, then that means Druidry was wiped out completely by circa
500 CE? So, no traces of this are found in what survived of Druid
Tradition? Everyone who had ever learned this "mouth to ear" was dead
and gone by 500 CE and didn't pass even a shred of it on?

Sure...yup...uh huh...gotcha. That information and $12 will get me a
pound of Starbucks coffee beans.- Hide quoted text -

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Wrong, much of the lore survived, albeit in a corrupted, Christianized
form, in Medieval texts such as the Lebor Gabala Erenn, the Book of
Ballymote, etc.

Hey, wingnut...if you'll happen to notice, I used question marks at
the end of those sentences, thereby making them QUESTIONS...as in
QUESTIONING YOU, and clearly expressing in my rather sarcastic wording
of said questions of my distaste for your earlier implications that
Druidry had not survived in any form and your wonderful "Lebor Farcing
Rutabaga" was the answer to all Druidic woes.

We're all aware of what the monks did with copying down the surviving
lore, quite old news, and easy enough to look past the Christianized
veneer to see what was there. Easy as peeling off old layers of
wallpaper to see what lay beneath.

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The Lebor Feasa Runda is unique in that it preserves
the ancient lore in it's original, pre-Christian form.

And if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon...

You were Ignatius D.ey in a past life, weren't you? I'd guess
Edward Williams, but at least his forgery spawned the Gorsedd.
D.y was just a fool who plagiarized Blavatsky, poorly to boot,
then placed Atlantis near Ireland and has them as the "Aryan Race".
Save for the Atlantis part, sounds a lot like your drivel.

Kent...

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 5:05 pm

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On Sep 11, 5:33 pm, An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke... at (no spam) gmail.com>
wrote:

Quote:

I sincerely hope you get to spend some personal time with him quite
soon. He might even make you look presentable at last. Probably going
to be his biggest challenge yet.

Quote:

Dan, Noinden and Kent are Stiffs before their time, though that's just
around the corner , heh heh heh

Long ways down that street for me before I reach that corner. You're
the one rounding the curve, Mick, not I.

An Coibhi Drui...

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:27 pm

Guest

On Sep 12, 3:05 am, Kent <kent... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:

On Sep 11, 5:33 pm, An Coibhi Drui <photographerofkilke... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:

On Sep 11, 11:08 pm, "1X2Willows" <nos... at (no spam) least.invalid> wrote:

Akins of that Bilk wrote:

On Sep 11, 11:43 am, "1X2Willows" wrote:
[....]
Trying to suggest there has ever been a homogenous "Celtic religion"
is as idiotic as claiming all Native American tribes believe in
"Manitou".

dig? :-)

The didn't call themselves "Gauls," of course,

correct

so, help me along here... what tribe are we talking which is supposed
to have adhered to that outlandish book religion you're peddling?

the Irish?

We will, yeah, if Akins gives us a share in the Book, to write the
Script - and the Film Rights too Smile

He should be negotiating in Hollywood, instead of wasting his time
here with Undertakers like Dan, Willows, Kent & Co - in fact my own
Undertaker I've appointed, Sammy Johnson , is at least human, and a
cool guy too considering he's my age now and was brought up since he
was a kid with stiffs in boxes for company :-)

I sincerely hope you get to spend some personal time with him quite
soon. He might even make you look presentable at last. Probably going
to be his biggest challenge yet.

Dan, Noinden and Kent are Stiffs before their time, though that's just
around the corner , heh heh heh

Long ways down that street for me before I reach that corner. You're
the one rounding the curve, Mick, not I.

You're a ghoul already, Kent !

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