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P. Rajah...
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 2:03 pm
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uNmaiviLambi wrote:


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Clearly you have never met astrology geniuses.

Nope. Haven't met pigs that fly, either.
 
P. Rajah...
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 2:06 pm
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ranjit_mathews at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:

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On Aug 8, 8:35 pm, hari.ku... at (no spam) indero.com wrote:
"Would you say thatprayeris another form?"
It can be in some examples.
"In what examples are astrology (consulting astrological diviners) and
prayer (imploring invisible beings) not superstitions?"

In the first case truth claims about the way sky patterns in the
physical universe are said to affect human events is evoked. This falls
within the purview of the process of science to confirm or not. To date
it fails to be confirmed.

The second involves the divine, for those who accept same, which can not
by process of science be confirmed. I have heard it said that divine
always responds to requests, sometimes it is "yes" and sometimes "no"
and sometimes "not now". Free will of divine is not bound by any
principles that can by science be tested.

What is accepted on faith can not be confirmed or not confirmed in
science such as can astrology with its physical universe truth claims.

Superstition relates to claims about irrational and illogical claims
about physical universe. Science is the test of same. Claims of divine
can not be so tested by science and to that extent does not fall within
category of superstition.

I said "prayer", not "divine". That is, do any deities that might
exist pay any attention to people's prayers?

Does anyone claim that prayer is a science? Astrology claims to be a
science.
 
P. Rajah...
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 2:07 pm
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ranjit_mathews at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:

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On Aug 8, 8:21 pm, hari.ku... at (no spam) indero.com wrote:
There is an american who has $1000000 for anyone who can demonstrate
with a formal test the truth claims of things like astrology.

Why does no one offer $1000000 to anyone who can demonstrate the
efficacy of prayer? Is there something special about astrology that
they want to debunk only that?

Yes, astrology claims to be a science. Religion claims to be faith.
 
P. Rajah...
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:01 pm
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ranjit_mathews at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:

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On Aug 16, 4:06 pm, "P. Rajah" <u... at (no spam) newsguy.com> wrote:
ranjit_math... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:
On Aug 8, 8:35 pm, hari.ku... at (no spam) indero.com wrote:
"Would you say thatprayeris another form?"
It can be in some examples.
"In what examples are astrology (consulting astrological diviners) and
prayer (imploring invisible beings) not superstitions?"
In the first case truth claims about the way sky patterns in the
physical universe are said to affect human events is evoked. This falls
within the purview of the process of science to confirm or not. To date
it fails to be confirmed.
The second involves the divine, for those who accept same, which can not
by process of science be confirmed. I have heard it said that divine
always responds to requests, sometimes it is "yes" and sometimes "no"
and sometimes "not now". Free will of divine is not bound by any
principles that can by science be tested.
What is accepted on faith can not be confirmed or not confirmed in
science such as can astrology with its physical universe truth claims.
Superstition relates to claims about irrational and illogical claims
about physical universe. Science is the test of same. Claims of divine
can not be so tested by science and to that extent does not fall within
category of superstition.
I said "prayer", not "divine". That is, do any deities that might
exist pay any attention to people's prayers?
Does anyone claim that prayer is a science? Astrology claims to be a
science.

The science of prayer and healing:
http://www.healingtherapies.info/prayer_and_healing.htm

The claims of fringe groups would not be representative of the general
representation. That said, the link you provide simply accounts for the
placebo effect, which could be prayer, faith in your doctor, love from a
close relative or even a pet, and so on. Placebo effects generally
enable and/or enhance the body's own defences, and is not so much a
medical treatment as a psychological one.

Some years ago, the CIA and the Pentagon conducted experiments in ESP
and "out-of-body travel", which had a host of boosters and believers.
They have since dropped the program after it proved ineffective. And yet
I continue to see claims about the "science" of these subjects.
 
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:17 am
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"Astrology -- scientific astrology, that is, such as Jyotish -- is
indeed of great value in traditional matrimonial/relationship matching.
I strongly recommend it."

"Scientific astrology" is a prine example of an oxymoron,ie. the two
words contridict each other.

Anything that jay stevens,aka dr. jai etc. suggests is the red flag to
ignore it with complete satisfaction in the wisdom of ones decision.
 
 
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