On Sep 3, 3:10 pm, halfawake <epstein... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:





^ at (no spam) %>---*=#** wrote:

"elle" <mbp... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 1, 10:01 am, boy <kosmicg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 1, 4:44 pm, herbzet <herb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

elle wrote:

On Jul 12, 12:50 pm, herbzet <herb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Appledog wrote:

On Jul 12, 4:15 pm, herbzet <herb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Appledog wrote:
Question: Since provoking people, insulting them and
reviling > > > > > > them is
not studying or practicing buddhism

Gutei raised his finger whenever he was asked a question
about > > > > > Zen. A
boy attendant began to imitate him in this way. When a
visitor > > > > > asked
the boy what his master had preached about, the boy raised
his > > > > > finger.

Gutei heard about the boy's mischief, seized him and cut off
his
finger with a knife.

A half truth is a half lie.

Oh, throw away the worser part of it,
And live the purer with the other half.

--
hz

Why do people interested in such topics not know how to communicate.
Most come here to bully and kill the discussions and then it dies.
Change your attitude and talk to one another.

Thanks for your contribution, elle.

Have a nice day.

--
hz

it's good to see this from an intelligent person. but remember
zenworm and that guy he lapdogged? there is that problem with idiots
when they like each other.

There is nothing so far "on topic."

you've cornered the gist of
the entirety of uselessnet.

the prison of topicality
enfolds me like a lover

where?



robert

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On Sep 3, 3:00 am, halfawake <epstein... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
zenworm wrote:
On Sep 1, 3:22 pm, elle <mbp... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 1, 10:01 am, boy <kosmicg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 1, 4:44 pm, herbzet <herb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
elle wrote:
On Jul 12, 12:50 pm, herbzet <herb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Appledog wrote:
On Jul 12, 4:15 pm, herbzet <herb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Appledog wrote:
Question: Since provoking people, insulting them and reviling them is
not studying or practicing buddhism
Gutei raised his finger whenever he was asked a question about Zen. A
boy attendant began to imitate him in this way. When a visitor asked
the boy what his master had preached about, the boy raised his finger.
Gutei heard about the boy's mischief, seized him and cut off his
finger with a knife.
A half truth is a half lie.
Oh, throw away the worser part of it,
And live the purer with the other half.
--
hz
Why do people interested in such topics not know how to communicate.
Most come here to bully and kill the discussions and then it dies.
Change your attitude and talk to one another.
Thanks for your contribution, elle.
Have a nice day.
--
hz
it's good to see this from an intelligent person. but remember
zenworm and that guy he lapdogged? there is that problem with idiots
when they like each other.
There is nothing so far "on topic."
you are still not "on topic" unless the topic on topic
is the topic of being on topic which is not the topic
topically claimed by the topic in the topic header
which in this case is ZEN which means all topics
are on topic as no topic can topically be excluded
from the ZEN topic which is all topics which is
whichever topic currently topically under topical
discussion as in this topic which is the topic of the
topicality of discussion with regards to how this
topic or any topic relates to ZEN which is a topic
which is both a topic and not a topic as it applies
topically to any topic even the topic of the topicality
of the topic of discussion which is the topic currently
under topical discussion of topicality.
welcome to zen topical
are things clearer now?
Pick a topic that is not ZEN
I would have to disagree with all of the above except the initial
sentence. No topics are zen; they are all off-topic, even zen itself.

Robert

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speaking on the topic of zen off topic again?

halfawake wrote:

herbzet wrote:


elle wrote:


On Sep 1, 10:01 am, boy <kosmicg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:


On Sep 1, 4:44 pm, herbzet <herb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:


elle wrote:


On Jul 12, 12:50 pm, herbzet <herb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:


Appledog wrote:


On Jul 12, 4:15 pm, herbzet <herb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:


Appledog wrote:



Question: Since provoking people, insulting them and reviling them is
not studying or practicing buddhism

Gutei raised his finger whenever he was asked a question about Zen. A
boy attendant began to imitate him in this way. When a visitor asked
the boy what his master had preached about, the boy raised his finger.

Gutei heard about the boy's mischief, seized him and cut off his
finger with a knife.

A half truth is a half lie.

Oh, throw away the worser part of it,
And live the purer with the other half.


Why do people interested in such topics not know how to communicate.
Most come here to bully and kill the discussions and then it dies.
Change your attitude and talk to one another.

Thanks for your contribution, elle.

Have a nice day.

it's good to see this from an intelligent person. but remember
zenworm and that guy he lapdogged? there is that problem with idiots
when they like each other.

There is nothing so far "on topic."


It seems to me that alt.zen went substantially inert after a discussion
about working on the "Who/what am I?" koan.

Or maybe when Tang went on hiatus and stopped crossposting; I wasn't
really paying close attention.

Your thoughts?

I try to follow and inspect them as closely as possible.


That can only lead to trouble, Robert.

--
Appledog

zenworm wrote:
On Sep 3, 3:00 am, halfawake <epstein... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
zenworm wrote:
On Sep 1, 3:22 pm, elle <mbp... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 1, 10:01 am, boy <kosmicg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 1, 4:44 pm, herbzet <herb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
elle wrote:
On Jul 12, 12:50 pm, herbzet <herb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Appledog wrote:
On Jul 12, 4:15 pm, herbzet <herb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Appledog wrote:
Question: Since provoking people, insulting them and reviling them is
not studying or practicing buddhism
 Gutei raised his finger whenever he was asked a question about Zen. A
 boy attendant began to imitate him in this way. When a visitor asked
 the boy what his master had preached about, the boy raised his finger.
 Gutei heard about the boy's mischief, seized him and cut off his
 finger with a knife.
A half truth is a half lie.
Oh, throw away the worser part of it,
And live the purer with the other half.
--
hz
Why do people interested in such topics not know how to communicate.
Most come here to bully and kill the discussions and then it dies..
Change your attitude and talk to one another.
Thanks for your contribution, elle.
Have a nice day.
--
hz
it's good to see this from an intelligent person.  but remember
zenworm and that guy he lapdogged? there is that problem with idiots
when they like each other.
There is nothing so far "on topic."
you are still not "on topic" unless the topic on topic
is the topic of being on topic which is not the topic
topically claimed by the topic in the topic header
which in this case is ZEN which means all topics
are on topic as no topic can topically be excluded
from the ZEN topic which is all topics which is
whichever topic currently topically under topical
discussion as in this topic which is the topic of the
topicality of discussion with regards to how this
topic or any topic relates to ZEN which is a topic
which is both a topic and not a topic as it applies
topically to any topic even the topic of the topicality
of the topic of discussion which is the topic currently
under topical discussion of topicality.
welcome to zen topical
are things clearer now?
Pick a topic that is not ZEN
I would have to disagree with all of the above except the initial
sentence.  No topics are zen; they are all off-topic, even zen itself.

Robert

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speaking on the topic of zen off topic again?

FOBLATTY?

(fear of being left alone talking to yourself)

On Sep 3, 3:10 pm, halfawake <epstein... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

^ at (no spam) %>---*=#** wrote:


"elle" <mbp... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:911171ac-2700-4b66-ba8f-e46e4b25ab26 at (no spam) m20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 1, 10:01 am, boy <kosmicg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 1, 4:44 pm, herbzet <herb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

elle wrote:

On Jul 12, 12:50 pm, herbzet <herb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Appledog wrote:

On Jul 12, 4:15 pm, herbzet <herb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Appledog wrote:

Question: Since provoking people, insulting them and

reviling > > > > > > them is

not studying or practicing buddhism

Gutei raised his finger whenever he was asked a question

about > > > > > Zen. A

boy attendant began to imitate him in this way. When a

visitor > > > > > asked

the boy what his master had preached about, the boy raised

his > > > > > finger.

Gutei heard about the boy's mischief, seized him and cut off

his

finger with a knife.

A half truth is a half lie.

Oh, throw away the worser part of it,
And live the purer with the other half.

--
hz

Why do people interested in such topics not know how to communicate.
Most come here to bully and kill the discussions and then it dies.
Change your attitude and talk to one another.

Thanks for your contribution, elle.

Have a nice day.

--
hz

it's good to see this from an intelligent person. but remember
zenworm and that guy he lapdogged? there is that problem with idiots
when they like each other.

There is nothing so far "on topic."

you've cornered the gist of
the entirety of uselessnet.

the prison of topicality
enfolds me like a lover



where?

zenworm wrote:
On Sep 3, 11:33 am, boy <kosmicg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 3, 3:10 pm, halfawake <epstein... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

^ at (no spam) %>---*=#** wrote:

"elle" <mbp... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:911171ac-2700-4b66-ba8f-e46e4b25ab26 at (no spam) m20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 1, 10:01 am, boy <kosmicg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 1, 4:44 pm, herbzet <herb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

elle wrote:

On Jul 12, 12:50 pm, herbzet <herb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Appledog wrote:

On Jul 12, 4:15 pm, herbzet <herb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Appledog wrote:

Question: Since provoking people, insulting them and

reviling > > > > > > them is

not studying or practicing buddhism

Gutei raised his finger whenever he was asked a question

about > > > > > Zen. A

boy attendant began to imitate him in this way. When a

visitor > > > > > asked

the boy what his master had preached about, the boy raised

his > > > > > finger.

Gutei heard about the boy's mischief, seized him and cut off

his

finger with a knife.

A half truth is a half lie.

Oh, throw away the worser part of it,
And live the purer with the other half.

--
hz

Why do people interested in such topics not know how to communicate.
Most come here to bully and kill the discussions and then it dies.
Change your attitude and talk to one another.

Thanks for your contribution, elle.

Have a nice day.

--
hz

it's good to see this from an intelligent person. but remember
zenworm and that guy he lapdogged? there is that problem with idiots
when they like each other.

There is nothing so far "on topic."

you've cornered the gist of
the entirety of uselessnet.

the prison of topicality
enfolds me like a lover

where?

robert

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when?

ZN   :D

okay, when.

robert

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Déjà Flu wrote:
zenworm wrote:

On Sep 3, 3:00 am, halfawake <epstein... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

zenworm wrote:

On Sep 1, 3:22 pm, elle <mbp... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 1, 10:01 am, boy <kosmicg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 1, 4:44 pm, herbzet <herb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

elle wrote:

On Jul 12, 12:50 pm, herbzet <herb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Appledog wrote:

On Jul 12, 4:15 pm, herbzet <herb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Appledog wrote:

Question: Since provoking people, insulting them and
reviling them is
not studying or practicing buddhism

 Gutei raised his finger whenever he was asked a question
about Zen. A
 boy attendant began to imitate him in this way. When a
visitor asked
 the boy what his master had preached about, the boy raised
his finger.
 Gutei heard about the boy's mischief, seized him and cut off
his
 finger with a knife.

A half truth is a half lie.

Oh, throw away the worser part of it,
And live the purer with the other half.
--
hz

Why do people interested in such topics not know how to
communicate.
Most come here to bully and kill the discussions and then it dies.
Change your attitude and talk to one another.

Thanks for your contribution, elle.
Have a nice day.
--
hz

it's good to see this from an intelligent person.  but remember
zenworm and that guy he lapdogged? there is that problem with idiots
when they like each other.

There is nothing so far "on topic."

you are still not "on topic" unless the topic on topic
is the topic of being on topic which is not the topic
topically claimed by the topic in the topic header
which in this case is ZEN which means all topics
are on topic as no topic can topically be excluded
from the ZEN topic which is all topics which is
whichever topic currently topically under topical
discussion as in this topic which is the topic of the
topicality of discussion with regards to how this
topic or any topic relates to ZEN which is a topic
which is both a topic and not a topic as it applies
topically to any topic even the topic of the topicality
of the topic of discussion which is the topic currently
under topical discussion of topicality.
welcome to zen topical
are things clearer now?
Pick a topic that is not ZEN

I would have to disagree with all of the above except the initial
sentence.  No topics are zen; they are all off-topic, even zen itself.

Robert

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speaking on the topic of zen off topic again?

FOBLATTY?

(fear of being left alone talking to yourself)

left alone not talking to yourself - now that's zen

  Above Cold Mountain the moon shines alone
  in a clear sky it illuminates nothing at all
  precious heavenly priceless jewel
  buried in the skandhas submerged in the body
      -Han Shan

robert

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boy wrote:
On Sep 3, 3:10 pm, halfawake <epstein... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

^ at (no spam) %>---*=#** wrote:

"elle" <mbp... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:911171ac-2700-4b66-ba8f-e46e4b25ab26 at (no spam) m20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com....
On Sep 1, 10:01 am, boy <kosmicg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 1, 4:44 pm, herbzet <herb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

elle wrote:

On Jul 12, 12:50 pm, herbzet <herb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Appledog wrote:

On Jul 12, 4:15 pm, herbzet <herb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Appledog wrote:

Question: Since provoking people, insulting them and

reviling > > > > > > them is

not studying or practicing buddhism

Gutei raised his finger whenever he was asked a question

about > > > > > Zen. A

boy attendant began to imitate him in this way. When a

visitor > > > > > asked

the boy what his master had preached about, the boy raised

his > > > > > finger.

Gutei heard about the boy's mischief, seized him and cut off

his

finger with a knife.

A half truth is a half lie.

Oh, throw away the worser part of it,
And live the purer with the other half.

--
hz

Why do people interested in such topics not know how to communicate..
Most come here to bully and kill the discussions and then it dies.
Change your attitude and talk to one another.

Thanks for your contribution, elle.

Have a nice day.

--
hz

it's good to see this from an intelligent person. but remember
zenworm and that guy he lapdogged? there is that problem with idiots
when they like each other.

There is nothing so far "on topic."

you've cornered the gist of
the entirety of uselessnet.

the prison of topicality
enfolds me like a lover

where?

what about 'how?' or 'when?'

robert

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On Sep 6, 3:21 am, halfawake <epstein... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:





zenworm wrote:
On Sep 3, 11:33 am, boy <kosmicg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 3, 3:10 pm, halfawake <epstein... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

^ at (no spam) %>---*=#** wrote:

"elle" <mbp... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:911171ac-2700-4b66-ba8f-e46e4b25ab26 at (no spam) m20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 1, 10:01 am, boy <kosmicg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 1, 4:44 pm, herbzet <herb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

elle wrote:

On Jul 12, 12:50 pm, herbzet <herb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Appledog wrote:

On Jul 12, 4:15 pm, herbzet <herb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Appledog wrote:

Question: Since provoking people, insulting them and

reviling > > > > > > them is

not studying or practicing buddhism

Gutei raised his finger whenever he was asked a question

about > > > > > Zen. A

boy attendant began to imitate him in this way. When a

visitor > > > > > asked

the boy what his master had preached about, the boy raised

his > > > > > finger.

Gutei heard about the boy's mischief, seized him and cut off

his

finger with a knife.

A half truth is a half lie.

Oh, throw away the worser part of it,
And live the purer with the other half.

--
hz

Why do people interested in such topics not know how to communicate.
Most come here to bully and kill the discussions and then it dies.
Change your attitude and talk to one another.

Thanks for your contribution, elle.

Have a nice day.

--
hz

it's good to see this from an intelligent person. but remember
zenworm and that guy he lapdogged? there is that problem with idiots
when they like each other.

There is nothing so far "on topic."

you've cornered the gist of
the entirety of uselessnet.

the prison of topicality
enfolds me like a lover

where?

robert

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when?

ZN   :D

okay, when.

robert

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here and now of course

relaxing and being present
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On Sep 7, 10:21 am, zenworm <zensp... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:





On Sep 6, 3:21 am, halfawake <epstein... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

zenworm wrote:
On Sep 3, 11:33 am, boy <kosmicg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 3, 3:10 pm, halfawake <epstein... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

^ at (no spam) %>---*=#** wrote:

"elle" <mbp... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:911171ac-2700-4b66-ba8f-e46e4b25ab26 at (no spam) m20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 1, 10:01 am, boy <kosmicg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 1, 4:44 pm, herbzet <herb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

elle wrote:

On Jul 12, 12:50 pm, herbzet <herb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Appledog wrote:

On Jul 12, 4:15 pm, herbzet <herb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Appledog wrote:

Question: Since provoking people, insulting them and

reviling > > > > > > them is

not studying or practicing buddhism

Gutei raised his finger whenever he was asked a question

about > > > > > Zen. A

boy attendant began to imitate him in this way. When a

visitor > > > > > asked

the boy what his master had preached about, the boy raised

his > > > > > finger.

Gutei heard about the boy's mischief, seized him and cut off

his

finger with a knife.

A half truth is a half lie.

Oh, throw away the worser part of it,
And live the purer with the other half.

--
hz

Why do people interested in such topics not know how to communicate.
Most come here to bully and kill the discussions and then it dies.
Change your attitude and talk to one another.

Thanks for your contribution, elle.

Have a nice day.

--
hz

it's good to see this from an intelligent person. but remember
zenworm and that guy he lapdogged? there is that problem with idiots
when they like each other.

There is nothing so far "on topic."

you've cornered the gist of
the entirety of uselessnet.

the prison of topicality
enfolds me like a lover

where?

robert

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when?

ZN   :D

okay, when.

robert

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here and now of course

relaxing and being present
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crashing and being present?