AGG wrote:
***I can see you rejoicing now!

Well, at least there's one Senator who, unlike the others, actually
ADMITS he's a comedian.......

JG

AGG wrote:

"John Galt" <kady... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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Alexander Arnakis wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:29:21 -0500, John Galt <kady... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:
Quite. Coleman was fiscally conservative but not ideological, and
uninterested in social conservativism.

I think the "holy roller" element in the Republican coalition is what
drives away the moderates. The Huckabee wing is a net loss nationally,
although it probably boosts Republican numbers in the South.

Minnesota is a strange state politically. Any state that can elect a
Michelle Bachmann to Congress has to have at least pockets of
weirdness.

Your call. I can tell you that I'm not filling out that census form,
either. None of their business.

***When the form is returned with empty spaces, you'll be called by
someone from the census crew. If that fails, you'll be visited. If that
fails, you could be fined up to $5,000. Screw Obama. Welcome to the
Imperialistic Presidency of Barack Hussein Obama.

Not true. The max you can be fined for leaving the form blank, except
for the nose-count, is $100. Lying on a constitutionally authorized
question can get you a $500 dingy, and the fine for any intent to cause
an inaccurate count maxes out at $1000 and a year in the slammer.

Nobody has ever been fined or imprisoned for this, btw. Ever.
[snip]

AGG wrote:

"John Galt" <kady101 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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Alexander Arnakis wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:29:21 -0500, John Galt <kady101 at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:
Quite. Coleman was fiscally conservative but not ideological, and
uninterested in social conservativism.

I think the "holy roller" element in the Republican coalition is what
drives away the moderates. The Huckabee wing is a net loss nationally,
although it probably boosts Republican numbers in the South.

Minnesota is a strange state politically. Any state that can elect a
Michelle Bachmann to Congress has to have at least pockets of
weirdness.

Your call. I can tell you that I'm not filling out that census form,
either. None of their business.


***When the form is returned with empty spaces, you'll be called by
someone from the census crew. If that fails, you'll be visited. If that
fails, you could be fined up to $5,000. Screw Obama. Welcome to the
Imperialistic Presidency of Barack Hussein Obama.

Not true. The max you can be fined for leaving the form blank, except for
the nose-count, is $100. Lying on a constitutionally authorized question
can get you a $500 dingy, and the fine for any intent to cause an
inaccurate count maxes out at $1000 and a year in the slammer.

***And Big Brother will know EXACTLY where each and every one of us
lives. The census employee that has already come through my neighborhood
explained that the little hand-held device she carried was a GPS unit.
While she was standing on my front deck she hit the "send" button after
she entered my answers to her questions about my address, phone number,
etc. The position of the GPS device was transmitted via satellite to
Washington containing all the data she had on me, including the latitude
and longitude.

Let them come.

AGG wrote:

"John Galt" <kady... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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Alexander Arnakis wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:29:21 -0500, John Galt <kady... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:
Quite. Coleman was fiscally conservative but not ideological, and
uninterested in social conservativism.

I think the "holy roller" element in the Republican coalition is what
drives away the moderates. The Huckabee wing is a net loss nationally,
although it probably boosts Republican numbers in the South.

Minnesota is a strange state politically. Any state that can elect a
Michelle Bachmann to Congress has to have at least pockets of
weirdness.

Your call. I can tell you that I'm not filling out that census form,
either. None of their business.

***When the form is returned with empty spaces, you'll be called by
someone from the census crew. If that fails, you'll be visited. If that
fails, you could be fined up to $5,000. Screw Obama. Welcome to the
Imperialistic Presidency of Barack Hussein Obama.

Not true. The max you can be fined for leaving the form blank, except
for the nose-count, is $100. Lying on a constitutionally authorized
question can get you a $500 dingy, and the fine for any intent to cause
an inaccurate count maxes out at $1000 and a year in the slammer.

Nobody has ever been fined or imprisoned for this, btw. Ever.
[snip]

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AGG wrote:

"John Galt" <kady101 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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Alexander Arnakis wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:29:21 -0500, John Galt <kady101 at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:
Quite. Coleman was fiscally conservative but not ideological, and
uninterested in social conservativism.

I think the "holy roller" element in the Republican coalition is what
drives away the moderates. The Huckabee wing is a net loss nationally,
although it probably boosts Republican numbers in the South.

Minnesota is a strange state politically. Any state that can elect a
Michelle Bachmann to Congress has to have at least pockets of
weirdness.

Your call. I can tell you that I'm not filling out that census form,
either. None of their business.


***When the form is returned with empty spaces, you'll be called by
someone from the census crew. If that fails, you'll be visited. If
that fails, you could be fined up to $5,000. Screw Obama. Welcome to
the Imperialistic Presidency of Barack Hussein Obama.

Not true. The max you can be fined for leaving the form blank, except
for the nose-count, is $100. Lying on a constitutionally authorized
question can get you a $500 dingy, and the fine for any intent to
cause an inaccurate count maxes out at $1000 and a year in the slammer.


***I'm not referring to the census form (sorry for be9ing unclear), but
the supplemental form. It's authorization carries the $5,000 max fine.


snip


***And Big Brother will know EXACTLY where each and every one of us
lives. The census employee that has already come through my
neighborhood explained that the little hand-held device she carried
was a GPS unit. While she was standing on my front deck she hit the
"send" button after she entered my answers to her questions about my
address, phone number, etc. The position of the GPS device was
transmitted via satellite to Washington containing all the data she
had on me, including the latitude and longitude.

Let them come.


***How will you stop them from hitting the "send" button?

AGG wrote:

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AGG wrote:

"John Galt" <kady101 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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Alexander Arnakis wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:29:21 -0500, John Galt <kady101 at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:
Quite. Coleman was fiscally conservative but not ideological, and
uninterested in social conservativism.

I think the "holy roller" element in the Republican coalition is what
drives away the moderates. The Huckabee wing is a net loss
nationally,
although it probably boosts Republican numbers in the South.

Minnesota is a strange state politically. Any state that can elect a
Michelle Bachmann to Congress has to have at least pockets of
weirdness.

Your call. I can tell you that I'm not filling out that census form,
either. None of their business.


***When the form is returned with empty spaces, you'll be called by
someone from the census crew. If that fails, you'll be visited. If that
fails, you could be fined up to $5,000. Screw Obama. Welcome to the
Imperialistic Presidency of Barack Hussein Obama.

Not true. The max you can be fined for leaving the form blank, except
for the nose-count, is $100. Lying on a constitutionally authorized
question can get you a $500 dingy, and the fine for any intent to cause
an inaccurate count maxes out at $1000 and a year in the slammer.


***I'm not referring to the census form (sorry for be9ing unclear), but
the supplemental form. It's authorization carries the $5,000 max fine.


snip


***And Big Brother will know EXACTLY where each and every one of us
lives. The census employee that has already come through my
neighborhood explained that the little hand-held device she carried was
a GPS unit. While she was standing on my front deck she hit the "send"
button after she entered my answers to her questions about my address,
phone number, etc. The position of the GPS device was transmitted via
satellite to Washington containing all the data she had on me,
including the latitude and longitude.

Let them come.


***How will you stop them from hitting the "send" button?

What are they sending if I give them no info?

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AGG wrote:

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AGG wrote:

"John Galt" <kady101 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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Alexander Arnakis wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:29:21 -0500, John Galt <kady101 at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:
Quite. Coleman was fiscally conservative but not ideological,
and uninterested in social conservativism.

I think the "holy roller" element in the Republican coalition is
what
drives away the moderates. The Huckabee wing is a net loss
nationally,
although it probably boosts Republican numbers in the South.

Minnesota is a strange state politically. Any state that can elect a
Michelle Bachmann to Congress has to have at least pockets of
weirdness.

Your call. I can tell you that I'm not filling out that census
form, either. None of their business.


***When the form is returned with empty spaces, you'll be called by
someone from the census crew. If that fails, you'll be visited. If
that fails, you could be fined up to $5,000. Screw Obama. Welcome
to the Imperialistic Presidency of Barack Hussein Obama.

Not true. The max you can be fined for leaving the form blank,
except for the nose-count, is $100. Lying on a constitutionally
authorized question can get you a $500 dingy, and the fine for any
intent to cause an inaccurate count maxes out at $1000 and a year in
the slammer.


***I'm not referring to the census form (sorry for be9ing unclear),
but the supplemental form. It's authorization carries the $5,000 max
fine.


snip


***And Big Brother will know EXACTLY where each and every one of us
lives. The census employee that has already come through my
neighborhood explained that the little hand-held device she carried
was a GPS unit. While she was standing on my front deck she hit the
"send" button after she entered my answers to her questions about
my address, phone number, etc. The position of the GPS device was
transmitted via satellite to Washington containing all the data she
had on me, including the latitude and longitude.

Let them come.


***How will you stop them from hitting the "send" button?

What are they sending if I give them no info?


***Believe it or not they are authorized to question your neighbors. But
at the least, for the basic census, your exact abode's long. and lat.
will be uploaded. This GPS thingy is for the basic census, not the
supplemental questionnaire.

***I think he's referring to the 26-page supplemental questionnaire that,
although not authorized by the Constitution, everyone will be required to
complete.

Joe Orthodox <joeortho... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
On Jul 3, 12:46=A0pm, Stephen Adams <ada... at (no spam) no.spam> wrote:
Becasue they have the law structured so that lying to the feds in
this instance IS a crime. =A0They can't make you answer, but if you
volunteer info, they can hold you criminally or civily liable for
false information.

It may very well be a crime to lie on the census report, but I was
asking what would be the *fraud* which implies scamming someone for
personal gain.

Unfortuante use of terms on my part.

 -Stephen
--
                              Stephen Adams
                         crathvagb... at (no spam) tznvy.pbz (rot13)

"Stephen Adams" <adamst at (no spam) no.spam> wrote in message

***The supplemental questionnaire requires no one from the government to
gain entry. The questionnaire will be mailed. Failing to return it will
get
one or two telephone calls and if that doesn't work, a personal visit. You
will not be required to let anyone into your home.

They can stand on the front porch until hell freezes over. No answer to
any of their questions beyond what I described above.

***You would have made a nice frontiersman. But, time to come into the 21st
century.

"Stephen Adams" <adamst at (no spam) no.spam> wrote in message
"AGG" <AGG at (no spam) no_spam.bu> writes:
"Stephen Adams" <adamst at (no spam) no.spam> wrote in message

Becasue they have the law structured so that lying to the feds in
this instance IS a crime. They can't make you answer, but if you
volunteer info, they can hold you criminally or civily liable for
false information.

***However, the fine applies for those both lying and refusing to answer.
It's a possible lose-lose situation.

I'll take my chances relying on the delegation of powers and the natural
right to privacy that is enshrined in the 6th Amendment. I won't lie,
but I won't help them.

***Writing nothing or saying nothing is the fine-able offense.

On 3 Jul 2009 20:02:35 GMT, Stephen Adams <adamst at (no spam) no.spam> wrote:

YOU submit to the jackbooted thugs. You seem to like that.

Two words: Kenyon Ballou. The poor guy was left a paraplegic for life.

(At the time this happened, I had a unique perspective from *both*
sides, since the ATF was still a Division within our agency, and I had
friends down the hall that worked for them -- while at the same time I
had friends within the NRA and the gun-collecting world. This was just
such a tragedy all around.)

Sorry, I don't see government agents as "jack-booted thugs." They're
just normal guys doing very difficult jobs.

"AGG" <AGG at (no spam) no_spam.bu> writes:
"Stephen Adams" <adamst at (no spam) no.spam> wrote in message
"AGG" <AGG at (no spam) no_spam.bu> writes:
"Stephen Adams" <adamst at (no spam) no.spam> wrote in message

Becasue they have the law structured so that lying to the feds in
this instance IS a crime. They can't make you answer, but if you
volunteer info, they can hold you criminally or civily liable for
false information.

***However, the fine applies for those both lying and refusing to
answer.
It's a possible lose-lose situation.

I'll take my chances relying on the delegation of powers and the natural
right to privacy that is enshrined in the 6th Amendment. I won't lie,
but I won't help them.

***Writing nothing or saying nothing is the fine-able offense.

But one I think I could win on in court (and suspect they will never
try to fine me, since they couldn't afford to lose).

"Stephen Adams" <adamst at (no spam) no.spam> wrote in message
"AGG" <AGG at (no spam) no_spam.bu> writes:
"Stephen Adams" <adamst at (no spam) no.spam> wrote in message
"AGG" <AGG at (no spam) no_spam.bu> writes:
"Stephen Adams" <adamst at (no spam) no.spam> wrote in message

Becasue they have the law structured so that lying to the feds in
this instance IS a crime. They can't make you answer, but if you
volunteer info, they can hold you criminally or civily liable for
false information.

***However, the fine applies for those both lying and refusing to
answer.
It's a possible lose-lose situation.

I'll take my chances relying on the delegation of powers and the natural
right to privacy that is enshrined in the 6th Amendment. I won't lie,
but I won't help them.

***Writing nothing or saying nothing is the fine-able offense.

But one I think I could win on in court (and suspect they will never
try to fine me, since they couldn't afford to lose).

***Taking on the government might be a bit more daunting than Steve Winter.

Tyranny of the majority is then possible. If 50+1 were to decide that
all left-handers were to be killed off simply because the majority found
them annoying, would that be right?

To avoid this, the Framers recognized the primacy of the Constitution
OVER the democracy. The vote on a matter can be 99-1, but if the vote is
to violate a Constitutional principle, the Constitution wins.

Constitutional law always takes precedence over the popular vote.
Otherwise, you have chaos.

The Supreme Court is the arbiter of what is constitutional, and the