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Donna Kupp...
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:55 am
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WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO COMMIT SIN?

When a person breaks the law of God (the Ten Commandments) he
has sinned. However, the Scriptures distinguish between sins of
ignorance and sins of presumption.


* When a person breaks the law unknowingly the Bible calls it
a sin of ignorance. (This person does not "COMMIT" sin).


* When a person breaks the law deliberately it is called a
presumptuous sin. (This person does "COMMIT" sin).


The word COMMIT means: "to do; perpetrate, as a crime". In the
Greek it is poieo which means: to make. To commit sin means
to make sin; it is a deliberate act such as God making the
universe. Therefore, one who sins in ignorance never commits sin.
On the other hand, one who sins presumptuously always commits sin.
It is vital to understand what it means to commit sin because the
apostle John said:


"HE THAT COMMITTETH SIN IS OF THE DEVIL;


WHOSOEVER IS BORN OF GOD DOTH NOT COMMIT SIN."
1 JOHN 3:8-9


One of the greatest deceptions being taught today is that the
phrase "to commit sin" really means "to practice sin" or "to
sin habitually". Those who teach that perversion say that if
one deliberately breaks God's law only "occasionally" he is not
really committing (practicing) sin. Recently a minister told me
that if he were to commit adultery a few years down the road he
would not be practicing sin. I asked him how often could he do
it and not be "practicing sin"? He said "...about every eight
years or so".


According to that theory, every person becomes his own judge of
how many sins must be committed before he is guilty of practicing
sin. Human nature being what it is, a person would always find
a way to convince himself that he is sinning just below the point of
"practicing" sin. For example, one person thinks he is guilty
if he commits adultery every eight years or so, another every
five years, and for another perhaps once a year, etc. Those who
teach that abominable theory say that because a person does not
have a "lifestyle" of sin or does not sin habitually (whatever
that means) he is not really "committing" sin.


To say that to commit sin means "to practice sin or to sin
habitually" is simply the devil's device to keep the guilty sinner
from feeling condemned. The reality is that if a person knowingly
breaks God's law even once, he is committing sin. How many sins
did Adam commit before he was guilty?


The Greek word used for "to commit" is in itself absolute proof
that commit does not mean practice. In the Greek NT there are
two words that are commonly used to express the idea of doing
something. The first is "poieo", the second is "prasso".
Please listen to what Strong's Greek Dictionary Of The New
Testament has to say about those two words.


4160 poieo, poy-eh'o; appar. a prol. form of an obsol.
prim.; to make or do (in a very wide application)


4238 prasso, pru'-so; a prim. verb; to "practice", i.e.
perform repeatedly or habitually (thus differing from 4160
[poieo]
which properly refers to a single act).


When John said "Whosoever is born of God doth not COMMIT sin
he used the word "poieo", (to make or do sin with the idea of
a single act). If he had meant to say "practice" sin he would
have used "prasso".


This device of the devil about practicing sin is not something new,
it is the same old trick he has used for hundreds of years. Please
take a moment to read what John Wesley (leader of the greatest
revival known in modern times) had to say about "habitual sin":


"But some men will say, 'True: whosoever is born of God doth
not commit sin habitually.' Habitually! Whence is that?
I read it not. It is not written in the Book. God plainly
saith, 'He doth not commit sin'; and thou addest, habitually!
Who art thou that mendest the oracles of God?-that 'addest
to the words of this book'? Beware I beseech thee, lest God
"add to thee all the plagues that are written therein'!


John Wesley's Fifty Three Sermons
"The Marks of the New Birth" April 3, 1741


I ask you how many deliberate sins must a person commit before he
is committing sin? How many murders must one commit before he is a
murderer? How often must one commit adultery before he is an
adulterer?


At this point, we must be careful to distinguish between sins of
ignorance and sins committed presumptuously because the sins done
in ignorance can be forgiven but presumptuous sin will not be
forgiven. For example, in the book of Numbers, we find those two
types of sin compared:


SINS OF IGNORANCE (These were forgiven)


Numbers 15:27 And if any soul sin through IGNORANCE, then he
shall bring a she goat of the first year for a sin offering.


15:28 An the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that
SINNETH IGNORANTLY, when he sinneth by ignorance before the
Lord, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.


SINS OF PRESUMPTION (Not forgiven)


Numbers 15:30 BUT the soul that doeth aught
PRESUMPTUOUSLY, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger,
the same reproacheth [blasphemeth] the Lord; and that soul shall be
cut off from among his people.


15:31 Because he hath despised the word of the Lord, and hath
broken his commandment, that soul shall be utterly cut off; his
iniquity shall be upon him."


Those Israelites who deliberately broke God's commandments were
not forgiven! Today, many people think that things are different
since
the resurrection of our Lord Jesus. They say that their WILLFUL sins
are "under the blood of Christ" and therefore forgiven. Are they
correct? God forbid! The apostle John said sins were cleansed only
"IF" we walk in the light:


1 John 1:7 "But IF we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we
have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Christ His Son
cleanseth us from all sin."


Are we cleansed from both sins of ignorance and presumptuous sin?
The answer is obvious: we are cleansed only from sins of ignorance.
The condition for cleansing is that we must "walk in the light". If a
believer is deliberately doing what he knows to be sin, he is not
walking in the light. Therefore, the blood of Christ does not
cleanse
from willful sin.


BLOOD COVERS ERRORS ONLY


The precepts of God do not change. In the Old Testament, the
blood sacrifice of animals was a type looking forward to the blood
sacrifice of Christ. In the New Testament, the apostle Paul confirmed
that the blood sacrifice covered only the ERRORS of the people
never the presumptuous or willful sin.


Paul said this:


Hebrews 9:7 "But into the second [tabernacle] went the high priest
alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for
himself, and for the ERRORS of the people."


The word "error" is from the Greek: agnoema, which means: "a sin,
(strictly, that committed through ignorance or thought-lessness)".
Thayer's Greek Lexicon (Strong's # 51) Many people believe that the
blood sacrifice covered all the deliberate sins of the people of
Israel,
but as you can see, it covered only ERRORS (i.e. the sins of
ignorance). It is the same with the blood of Christ.


When we are truly "born of God" the blood of Christ covers all past
sins and all future sins of ignorance. But those who deliberately
transgress the law of God are committing presumptuous sin and the
blood of Jesus Christ does not cover their willful disobedience.


Paul carefully warned Christians that the sacrifice of Jesus would
not cover willful sin.



He wrote:


Hebrews 10:26 "For if we SIN WILFULLY after that we have
received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth NO MORE
SACRIFICE FOR SINS.

10:27 BUT a certain fearful looking for of judgement and fiery
indignation which shall devour the adversaries."


The adversaries are those who rebel against God. They are believers
who have "come to the knowledge of the truth" and have been set free
from the power of sin. They have the law of God written in their
hearts by the Holy Spirit and yet break it with a high hand. By
their rebellion, they become the enemy of God and will be punished
with Satan and his angels.


In response to this, many will point to King David and his affair
with Bathsheba and the murder of Uriah. They will say that David
sinned presumptuously and God forgave him! That is indeed a good
question which demands an answer. The simplest response is to let
the Scriptures decide why David was forgiven. The answer is is that
David had not yet grown to the point where God considered him to be
a "righteous man" as defined by the Lord in the book of Ezekiel.


Ezekiel 18:21 "But if the WICKED turn away from all his sins that
he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is
lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.


18:24 "But when the RIGHTEOUS turneth away from his
righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all
the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his
righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his
trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned,
in them shall he die."


The Lord says that if a WICKED man (as David proved himself to
be) turned away from all his sins he would live, [verse 21] but if
the RIGHTEOUS man turned back to his wicked ways he would die.
[verse 24]


If, in fact, David had fully repented and turned from his wickedness
before his sin with Bathsheba, he would have been a righteous man
who had turned away from his righteousness and therefore
condemned to death. However, since we know that David was not
condemned, we also know that he could not have been a "righteous"
man when he committed sin with Bathsheba.


It is the same today, if a wicked man turns away from his
wickedness he will be forgiven, but the believer who has been
delivered from his sin and then turns back to it (like the dog
returning to his vomit) (2 Peter 2:21) he will be condemned to
death on Judgement Day.


Christians who think they can commit willful sin and still be
saved from God's wrath because their sin will be covered by the
blood of Christ have been deceived by the same Great Serpent who
seduced Eve into disobeying God's law by saying: "Ye shall not
surely die." Please do not listen to that liar or his modern day
helpers. Listen instead to the apostle John:


"HE THAT COMMITTETH SIN IS OF THE DEVIL"


"WHOSOEVER IS BORN OF GOD DOTH NOT COMMIT SIN"
1 JOHN 3:8-9


In order to have eternal life, the Christian must come to the point
where he has ceased from willful sin completely and forever. No
matter what one has been told by his church, the Bible says that
anyone who finds himself still committing willful sin is not born
of God.


We are not truly born of God until we have totally committed
ourselves to obey God's law and surrendered our own will completely
to His will. At that stage of growth, we do not yet understand the
sin nature that is buried deep within our souls. We often break
God's law without knowing it.


Since the sin is done in ignorance, the atoning death of Jesus covers
it. But once we recognize that what we are doing is sin and confess
it, we MUST stop doing it. If we refuse to stop, we are guilty of
rebellion and will be condemned on Judgement Day because we refused
to accept Jesus as our Lord.


Think about it...If we do not obey Jesus, He is not our Lord!
Jesus asked:


"And why call ye me, Lord, Lord and do not the things I say?"
Luke 6:46


Remember, John said: "...whosoever is born of God SINNETH
NOT". (1 John 5:1Cool As sin is revealed by the Holy Spirit those
who really are born of God quit doing it. Eventually all sin is
revealed and thus they quit doing all sin. On the other hand, the
Christian who continues to disobey even one of God's Ten Commandments
(including the Sabbath) is in rebellion. There will be no rebels
in God's kingdom.


Test yourself. Are you still committing willful sin? If so, the
Bible says you are not yet born of God. You can be sure that you
will be condemned to death for your rebellion against the Law of God.
Your only hope is to repent and call upon Jesus to deliver you from
your bondage to sin. The good news is that God cannot fail if you
will only choose to obey Him.


Donna Kupp

The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
http://www.freetruth.info
...
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:59 am
Guest
On Aug 21, 8:53 am, john w <j<no> at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

Quote:
  I suppose there's something to be said for, "If you can't be part of
the solution, you can be part of the problem," right?

That's your life's motto, isn't it, John?
bob young...
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:22 am
Guest
Donna Kupp wrote:
Quote:

WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO COMMIT SIN?

When a person breaks the law of God

No such thing. Man made up his primitive laws from sheer
necessity and put an imaginary god there to enforce them

We don't do that now; now we have Courts and thousands of
laws to cover every contingency - we are grown up now.

Common sense and logic now prevails

Bob
Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist, Brit.

Man creates gods in his own image;
and then spends the rest of his life
manipulating them to his heart's content.



(the Ten Commandments) he
Quote:
has sinned. However, the Scriptures distinguish between sins of
ignorance and sins of presumption.

* When a person breaks the law unknowingly the Bible calls it
a sin of ignorance. (This person does not "COMMIT" sin).

* When a person breaks the law deliberately it is called a
presumptuous sin. (This person does "COMMIT" sin).

The word COMMIT means: "to do; perpetrate, as a crime". In the
Greek it is poieo which means: to make. To commit sin means
to make sin; it is a deliberate act such as God making the
universe. Therefore, one who sins in ignorance never commits sin.
On the other hand, one who sins presumptuously always commits sin.
It is vital to understand what it means to commit sin because the
apostle John said:

"HE THAT COMMITTETH SIN IS OF THE DEVIL;

WHOSOEVER IS BORN OF GOD DOTH NOT COMMIT SIN."
1 JOHN 3:8-9

One of the greatest deceptions being taught today is that the
phrase "to commit sin" really means "to practice sin" or "to
sin habitually". Those who teach that perversion say that if
one deliberately breaks God's law only "occasionally" he is not
really committing (practicing) sin. Recently a minister told me
that if he were to commit adultery a few years down the road he
would not be practicing sin. I asked him how often could he do
it and not be "practicing sin"? He said "...about every eight
years or so".

According to that theory, every person becomes his own judge of
how many sins must be committed before he is guilty of practicing
sin. Human nature being what it is, a person would always find
a way to convince himself that he is sinning just below the point of
"practicing" sin. For example, one person thinks he is guilty
if he commits adultery every eight years or so, another every
five years, and for another perhaps once a year, etc. Those who
teach that abominable theory say that because a person does not
have a "lifestyle" of sin or does not sin habitually (whatever
that means) he is not really "committing" sin.

To say that to commit sin means "to practice sin or to sin
habitually" is simply the devil's device to keep the guilty sinner
from feeling condemned. The reality is that if a person knowingly
breaks God's law even once, he is committing sin. How many sins
did Adam commit before he was guilty?

The Greek word used for "to commit" is in itself absolute proof
that commit does not mean practice. In the Greek NT there are
two words that are commonly used to express the idea of doing
something. The first is "poieo", the second is "prasso".
Please listen to what Strong's Greek Dictionary Of The New
Testament has to say about those two words.

4160 poieo, poy-eh'o; appar. a prol. form of an obsol.
prim.; to make or do (in a very wide application)

4238 prasso, pru'-so; a prim. verb; to "practice", i.e.
perform repeatedly or habitually (thus differing from 4160
[poieo]
which properly refers to a single act).

When John said "Whosoever is born of God doth not COMMIT sin
he used the word "poieo", (to make or do sin with the idea of
a single act). If he had meant to say "practice" sin he would
have used "prasso".

This device of the devil about practicing sin is not something new,
it is the same old trick he has used for hundreds of years. Please
take a moment to read what John Wesley (leader of the greatest
revival known in modern times) had to say about "habitual sin":

"But some men will say, 'True: whosoever is born of God doth
not commit sin habitually.' Habitually! Whence is that?
I read it not. It is not written in the Book. God plainly
saith, 'He doth not commit sin'; and thou addest, habitually!
Who art thou that mendest the oracles of God?-that 'addest
to the words of this book'? Beware I beseech thee, lest God
"add to thee all the plagues that are written therein'!

John Wesley's Fifty Three Sermons
"The Marks of the New Birth" April 3, 1741

I ask you how many deliberate sins must a person commit before he
is committing sin? How many murders must one commit before he is a
murderer? How often must one commit adultery before he is an
adulterer?

At this point, we must be careful to distinguish between sins of
ignorance and sins committed presumptuously because the sins done
in ignorance can be forgiven but presumptuous sin will not be
forgiven. For example, in the book of Numbers, we find those two
types of sin compared:

SINS OF IGNORANCE (These were forgiven)

Numbers 15:27 And if any soul sin through IGNORANCE, then he
shall bring a she goat of the first year for a sin offering.

15:28 An the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that
SINNETH IGNORANTLY, when he sinneth by ignorance before the
Lord, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.

SINS OF PRESUMPTION (Not forgiven)

Numbers 15:30 BUT the soul that doeth aught
PRESUMPTUOUSLY, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger,
the same reproacheth [blasphemeth] the Lord; and that soul shall be
cut off from among his people.

15:31 Because he hath despised the word of the Lord, and hath
broken his commandment, that soul shall be utterly cut off; his
iniquity shall be upon him."

Those Israelites who deliberately broke God's commandments were
not forgiven! Today, many people think that things are different
since
the resurrection of our Lord Jesus. They say that their WILLFUL sins
are "under the blood of Christ" and therefore forgiven. Are they
correct? God forbid! The apostle John said sins were cleansed only
"IF" we walk in the light:

1 John 1:7 "But IF we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we
have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Christ His Son
cleanseth us from all sin."

Are we cleansed from both sins of ignorance and presumptuous sin?
The answer is obvious: we are cleansed only from sins of ignorance.
The condition for cleansing is that we must "walk in the light". If a
believer is deliberately doing what he knows to be sin, he is not
walking in the light. Therefore, the blood of Christ does not
cleanse
from willful sin.

BLOOD COVERS ERRORS ONLY

The precepts of God do not change. In the Old Testament, the
blood sacrifice of animals was a type looking forward to the blood
sacrifice of Christ. In the New Testament, the apostle Paul confirmed
that the blood sacrifice covered only the ERRORS of the people
never the presumptuous or willful sin.

Paul said this:

Hebrews 9:7 "But into the second [tabernacle] went the high priest
alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for
himself, and for the ERRORS of the people."

The word "error" is from the Greek: agnoema, which means: "a sin,
(strictly, that committed through ignorance or thought-lessness)".
Thayer's Greek Lexicon (Strong's # 51) Many people believe that the
blood sacrifice covered all the deliberate sins of the people of
Israel,
but as you can see, it covered only ERRORS (i.e. the sins of
ignorance). It is the same with the blood of Christ.

When we are truly "born of God" the blood of Christ covers all past
sins and all future sins of ignorance. But those who deliberately
transgress the law of God are committing presumptuous sin and the
blood of Jesus Christ does not cover their willful disobedience.

Paul carefully warned Christians that the sacrifice of Jesus would
not cover willful sin.

He wrote:

Hebrews 10:26 "For if we SIN WILFULLY after that we have
received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth NO MORE
SACRIFICE FOR SINS.

10:27 BUT a certain fearful looking for of judgement and fiery
indignation which shall devour the adversaries."

The adversaries are those who rebel against God. They are believers
who have "come to the knowledge of the truth" and have been set free
from the power of sin. They have the law of God written in their
hearts by the Holy Spirit and yet break it with a high hand. By
their rebellion, they become the enemy of God and will be punished
with Satan and his angels.

In response to this, many will point to King David and his affair
with Bathsheba and the murder of Uriah. They will say that David
sinned presumptuously and God forgave him! That is indeed a good
question which demands an answer. The simplest response is to let
the Scriptures decide why David was forgiven. The answer is is that
David had not yet grown to the point where God considered him to be
a "righteous man" as defined by the Lord in the book of Ezekiel.

Ezekiel 18:21 "But if the WICKED turn away from all his sins that
he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is
lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

18:24 "But when the RIGHTEOUS turneth away from his
righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all
the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his
righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his
trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned,
in them shall he die."

The Lord says that if a WICKED man (as David proved himself to
be) turned away from all his sins he would live, [verse 21] but if
the RIGHTEOUS man turned back to his wicked ways he would die.
[verse 24]

If, in fact, David had fully repented and turned from his wickedness
before his sin with Bathsheba, he would have been a righteous man
who had turned away from his righteousness and therefore
condemned to death. However, since we know that David was not
condemned, we also know that he could not have been a "righteous"
man when he committed sin with Bathsheba.

It is the same today, if a wicked man turns away from his
wickedness he will be forgiven, but the believer who has been
delivered from his sin and then turns back to it (like the dog
returning to his vomit) (2 Peter 2:21) he will be condemned to
death on Judgement Day.

Christians who think they can commit willful sin and still be
saved from God's wrath because their sin will be covered by the
blood of Christ have been deceived by the same Great Serpent who
seduced Eve into disobeying God's law by saying: "Ye shall not
surely die." Please do not listen to that liar or his modern day
helpers. Listen instead to the apostle John:

"HE THAT COMMITTETH SIN IS OF THE DEVIL"

"WHOSOEVER IS BORN OF GOD DOTH NOT COMMIT SIN"
1 JOHN 3:8-9

In order to have eternal life, the Christian must come to the point
where he has ceased from willful sin completely and forever. No
matter what one has been told by his church, the Bible says that
anyone who finds himself still committing willful sin is not born
of God.

We are not truly born of God until we have totally committed
ourselves to obey God's law and surrendered our own will completely
to His will. At that stage of growth, we do not yet understand the
sin nature that is buried deep within our souls. We often break
God's law without knowing it.

Since the sin is done in ignorance, the atoning death of Jesus covers
it. But once we recognize that what we are doing is sin and confess
it, we MUST stop doing it. If we refuse to stop, we are guilty of
rebellion and will be condemned on Judgement Day because we refused
to accept Jesus as our Lord.

Think about it...If we do not obey Jesus, He is not our Lord!
Jesus asked:

"And why call ye me, Lord, Lord and do not the things I say?"
Luke 6:46

Remember, John said: "...whosoever is born of God SINNETH
NOT". (1 John 5:1Cool As sin is revealed by the Holy Spirit those
who really are born of God quit doing it. Eventually all sin is
revealed and thus they quit doing all sin. On the other hand, the
Christian who continues to disobey even one of God's Ten Commandments
(including the Sabbath) is in rebellion. There will be no rebels
in God's kingdom.

Test yourself. Are you still committing willful sin? If so, the
Bible says you are not yet born of God. You can be sure that you
will be condemned to death for your rebellion against the Law of God.
Your only hope is to repent and call upon Jesus to deliver you from
your bondage to sin. The good news is that God cannot fail if you
will only choose to obey Him.

Donna Kupp

The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
http://www.freetruth.info
George Peatty...
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:11 am
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In article <48AD5D07.53EF8617 at (no spam) netvigator.com>, bob young says...

Quote:
When a person breaks the law of God

No such thing. Man made up his primitive laws from sheer
necessity and put an imaginary god there to enforce them

We don't do that now; now we have Courts and thousands of
laws to cover every contingency - we are grown up now.

Common sense and logic now prevails


A five minute cursory survey of Usenet would be enough to convince any truly
rational being that common sense and logic do not prevail *anywhere* What is
"made up" here is that delusional fantasy ..
Blattus Slafaly...
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:29 am
Guest
Donna Kupp wrote:
Quote:
WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO COMMIT SIN?

It means freedom to do as you choose.



--
Blattus Slafaly ? 3 Smile 7/8
john w...
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:53 am
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On 21 Aug 2008 07:22:03 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum at (no spam) netvigator.com>
wrote:
© 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
Quote:


Donna Kupp wrote:

WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO COMMIT SIN?

When a person breaks the law of God

No such thing. Man made up his primitive laws from sheer
necessity and put an imaginary god there to enforce them

I continue to wonder why an atheist hangs out in a Christian group.

To disrupt?

Um hm.

I suppose there's something to be said for, "If you can't be part of
the solution, you can be part of the problem," right?

Quote:

We don't do that now; now we have Courts and thousands of
laws to cover every contingency - we are grown up now.

Common sense and logic now prevails

Bob
Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist, Brit.

Man creates gods in his own image;
and then spends the rest of his life
manipulating them to his heart's content.



(the Ten Commandments) he
has sinned. However, the Scriptures distinguish between sins of
ignorance and sins of presumption.

* When a person breaks the law unknowingly the Bible calls it
a sin of ignorance. (This person does not "COMMIT" sin).

* When a person breaks the law deliberately it is called a
presumptuous sin. (This person does "COMMIT" sin).

The word COMMIT means: "to do; perpetrate, as a crime". In the
Greek it is poieo which means: to make. To commit sin means
to make sin; it is a deliberate act such as God making the
universe. Therefore, one who sins in ignorance never commits sin.
On the other hand, one who sins presumptuously always commits sin.
It is vital to understand what it means to commit sin because the
apostle John said:

"HE THAT COMMITTETH SIN IS OF THE DEVIL;

WHOSOEVER IS BORN OF GOD DOTH NOT COMMIT SIN."
1 JOHN 3:8-9

One of the greatest deceptions being taught today is that the
phrase "to commit sin" really means "to practice sin" or "to
sin habitually". Those who teach that perversion say that if
one deliberately breaks God's law only "occasionally" he is not
really committing (practicing) sin. Recently a minister told me
that if he were to commit adultery a few years down the road he
would not be practicing sin. I asked him how often could he do
it and not be "practicing sin"? He said "...about every eight
years or so".

According to that theory, every person becomes his own judge of
how many sins must be committed before he is guilty of practicing
sin. Human nature being what it is, a person would always find
a way to convince himself that he is sinning just below the point of
"practicing" sin. For example, one person thinks he is guilty
if he commits adultery every eight years or so, another every
five years, and for another perhaps once a year, etc. Those who
teach that abominable theory say that because a person does not
have a "lifestyle" of sin or does not sin habitually (whatever
that means) he is not really "committing" sin.

To say that to commit sin means "to practice sin or to sin
habitually" is simply the devil's device to keep the guilty sinner
from feeling condemned. The reality is that if a person knowingly
breaks God's law even once, he is committing sin. How many sins
did Adam commit before he was guilty?

The Greek word used for "to commit" is in itself absolute proof
that commit does not mean practice. In the Greek NT there are
two words that are commonly used to express the idea of doing
something. The first is "poieo", the second is "prasso".
Please listen to what Strong's Greek Dictionary Of The New
Testament has to say about those two words.

4160 poieo, poy-eh'o; appar. a prol. form of an obsol.
prim.; to make or do (in a very wide application)

4238 prasso, pru'-so; a prim. verb; to "practice", i.e.
perform repeatedly or habitually (thus differing from 4160
[poieo]
which properly refers to a single act).

When John said "Whosoever is born of God doth not COMMIT sin
he used the word "poieo", (to make or do sin with the idea of
a single act). If he had meant to say "practice" sin he would
have used "prasso".

This device of the devil about practicing sin is not something new,
it is the same old trick he has used for hundreds of years. Please
take a moment to read what John Wesley (leader of the greatest
revival known in modern times) had to say about "habitual sin":

"But some men will say, 'True: whosoever is born of God doth
not commit sin habitually.' Habitually! Whence is that?
I read it not. It is not written in the Book. God plainly
saith, 'He doth not commit sin'; and thou addest, habitually!
Who art thou that mendest the oracles of God?-that 'addest
to the words of this book'? Beware I beseech thee, lest God
"add to thee all the plagues that are written therein'!

John Wesley's Fifty Three Sermons
"The Marks of the New Birth" April 3, 1741

I ask you how many deliberate sins must a person commit before he
is committing sin? How many murders must one commit before he is a
murderer? How often must one commit adultery before he is an
adulterer?

At this point, we must be careful to distinguish between sins of
ignorance and sins committed presumptuously because the sins done
in ignorance can be forgiven but presumptuous sin will not be
forgiven. For example, in the book of Numbers, we find those two
types of sin compared:

SINS OF IGNORANCE (These were forgiven)

Numbers 15:27 And if any soul sin through IGNORANCE, then he
shall bring a she goat of the first year for a sin offering.

15:28 An the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that
SINNETH IGNORANTLY, when he sinneth by ignorance before the
Lord, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.

SINS OF PRESUMPTION (Not forgiven)

Numbers 15:30 BUT the soul that doeth aught
PRESUMPTUOUSLY, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger,
the same reproacheth [blasphemeth] the Lord; and that soul shall be
cut off from among his people.

15:31 Because he hath despised the word of the Lord, and hath
broken his commandment, that soul shall be utterly cut off; his
iniquity shall be upon him."

Those Israelites who deliberately broke God's commandments were
not forgiven! Today, many people think that things are different
since
the resurrection of our Lord Jesus. They say that their WILLFUL sins
are "under the blood of Christ" and therefore forgiven. Are they
correct? God forbid! The apostle John said sins were cleansed only
"IF" we walk in the light:

1 John 1:7 "But IF we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we
have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Christ His Son
cleanseth us from all sin."

Are we cleansed from both sins of ignorance and presumptuous sin?
The answer is obvious: we are cleansed only from sins of ignorance.
The condition for cleansing is that we must "walk in the light". If a
believer is deliberately doing what he knows to be sin, he is not
walking in the light. Therefore, the blood of Christ does not
cleanse
from willful sin.

BLOOD COVERS ERRORS ONLY

The precepts of God do not change. In the Old Testament, the
blood sacrifice of animals was a type looking forward to the blood
sacrifice of Christ. In the New Testament, the apostle Paul confirmed
that the blood sacrifice covered only the ERRORS of the people
never the presumptuous or willful sin.

Paul said this:

Hebrews 9:7 "But into the second [tabernacle] went the high priest
alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for
himself, and for the ERRORS of the people."

The word "error" is from the Greek: agnoema, which means: "a sin,
(strictly, that committed through ignorance or thought-lessness)".
Thayer's Greek Lexicon (Strong's # 51) Many people believe that the
blood sacrifice covered all the deliberate sins of the people of
Israel,
but as you can see, it covered only ERRORS (i.e. the sins of
ignorance). It is the same with the blood of Christ.

When we are truly "born of God" the blood of Christ covers all past
sins and all future sins of ignorance. But those who deliberately
transgress the law of God are committing presumptuous sin and the
blood of Jesus Christ does not cover their willful disobedience.

Paul carefully warned Christians that the sacrifice of Jesus would
not cover willful sin.

He wrote:

Hebrews 10:26 "For if we SIN WILFULLY after that we have
received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth NO MORE
SACRIFICE FOR SINS.

10:27 BUT a certain fearful looking for of judgement and fiery
indignation which shall devour the adversaries."

The adversaries are those who rebel against God. They are believers
who have "come to the knowledge of the truth" and have been set free
from the power of sin. They have the law of God written in their
hearts by the Holy Spirit and yet break it with a high hand. By
their rebellion, they become the enemy of God and will be punished
with Satan and his angels.

In response to this, many will point to King David and his affair
with Bathsheba and the murder of Uriah. They will say that David
sinned presumptuously and God forgave him! That is indeed a good
question which demands an answer. The simplest response is to let
the Scriptures decide why David was forgiven. The answer is is that
David had not yet grown to the point where God considered him to be
a "righteous man" as defined by the Lord in the book of Ezekiel.

Ezekiel 18:21 "But if the WICKED turn away from all his sins that
he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is
lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

18:24 "But when the RIGHTEOUS turneth away from his
righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all
the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his
righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his
trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned,
in them shall he die."

The Lord says that if a WICKED man (as David proved himself to
be) turned away from all his sins he would live, [verse 21] but if
the RIGHTEOUS man turned back to his wicked ways he would die.
[verse 24]

If, in fact, David had fully repented and turned from his wickedness
before his sin with Bathsheba, he would have been a righteous man
who had turned away from his righteousness and therefore
condemned to death. However, since we know that David was not
condemned, we also know that he could not have been a "righteous"
man when he committed sin with Bathsheba.

It is the same today, if a wicked man turns away from his
wickedness he will be forgiven, but the believer who has been
delivered from his sin and then turns back to it (like the dog
returning to his vomit) (2 Peter 2:21) he will be condemned to
death on Judgement Day.

Christians who think they can commit willful sin and still be
saved from God's wrath because their sin will be covered by the
blood of Christ have been deceived by the same Great Serpent who
seduced Eve into disobeying God's law by saying: "Ye shall not
surely die." Please do not listen to that liar or his modern day
helpers. Listen instead to the apostle John:

"HE THAT COMMITTETH SIN IS OF THE DEVIL"

"WHOSOEVER IS BORN OF GOD DOTH NOT COMMIT SIN"
1 JOHN 3:8-9

In order to have eternal life, the Christian must come to the point
where he has ceased from willful sin completely and forever. No
matter what one has been told by his church, the Bible says that
anyone who finds himself still committing willful sin is not born
of God.

We are not truly born of God until we have totally committed
ourselves to obey God's law and surrendered our own will completely
to His will. At that stage of growth, we do not yet understand the
sin nature that is buried deep within our souls. We often break
God's law without knowing it.

Since the sin is done in ignorance, the atoning death of Jesus covers
it. But once we recognize that what we are doing is sin and confess
it, we MUST stop doing it. If we refuse to stop, we are guilty of
rebellion and will be condemned on Judgement Day because we refused
to accept Jesus as our Lord.

Think about it...If we do not obey Jesus, He is not our Lord!
Jesus asked:

"And why call ye me, Lord, Lord and do not the things I say?"
Luke 6:46

Remember, John said: "...whosoever is born of God SINNETH
NOT". (1 John 5:1Cool As sin is revealed by the Holy Spirit those
who really are born of God quit doing it. Eventually all sin is
revealed and thus they quit doing all sin. On the other hand, the
Christian who continues to disobey even one of God's Ten Commandments
(including the Sabbath) is in rebellion. There will be no rebels
in God's kingdom.

Test yourself. Are you still committing willful sin? If so, the
Bible says you are not yet born of God. You can be sure that you
will be condemned to death for your rebellion against the Law of God.
Your only hope is to repent and call upon Jesus to deliver you from
your bondage to sin. The good news is that God cannot fail if you
will only choose to obey Him.

Donna Kupp

The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
http://www.freetruth.info
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I suppose there's something to be said for, "If you can't be part of
the solution, you can be part of the problem," right?

That's your life's motto, isn't it, John?

Actually, when I said that, I was thinking "Kelly, Elaine, John H,
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Of course you were, John. It's alwys someone else and never you,
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  I suppose there's something to be said for, "If you can't be part of
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That's your life's motto, isn't it, John?

Actually, when I said that, I was thinking "Kelly, Elaine, John H,
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I suppose there's something to be said for, "If you can't be part of
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That's your life's motto, isn't it, John?

Actually, when I said that, I was thinking "Kelly, Elaine, John H,
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Blattus Slafaly wrote:

Donna Kupp wrote:
WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO COMMIT SIN?

A pointless question, that is unless you need to harness a
normal human action and turn it into a tool for propagating
the extention of a religious myth.

You're in the wrong group, troll.

See? Too many of us have had REAL encounters with the God you -- for
some strange reason-- hate.

If you're going to call it "delusion", you're going to have to lock
up Barack Obama, Hillary and Bill Clinton, John McCain, and half our
astronauts.

Were you aware, "genius", that John Glenn (does that name ring a
bell?) is a Christian?

Well, John Glenn's definitely a Presbyterian, but where and when has
he ever said that he's a born-again Christian?
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I suppose there's something to be said for, "If you can't be part of
the solution, you can be part of the problem," right?

That's your life's motto, isn't it, John?

Actually, when I said that, I was thinking "Kelly, Elaine, John H,
crawls, CB, "ujie", etc.)

Of course you were, John. It's alwys someone else and never you,
right?

You're funny! ACtually, you're HILAROUS!

I see you DaILY saying, "it's always --- ALWAYS-- somebody else;
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No such thing. Man made up his primitive laws from sheer
necessity and put an imaginary god there to enforce them

I continue to wonder why an atheist hangs out in a Christian group.

It is a disguised cry for help. Deep down he knows that there IS
an all powerful transcendent God who is the maker of all things,
whom he and all mankind must give an account to. Christianity
reveals this God through Christ....through whom only there is
hope of eternal salvation.



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Donna Kupp wrote:

WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO COMMIT SIN?

When a person breaks the law of God

No such thing. Man made up his primitive laws from sheer
necessity and put an imaginary god there to enforce them

I continue to wonder why an atheist hangs out in a Christian group.

To disrupt?

Um hm.

I suppose there's something to be said for, "If you can't be part of
the solution, you can be part of the problem," right?

Let us just assume for one moment that an extention of The
Crusades were possible today
- after all Pres. Bush called his move on Iraq a crusade
and the Iranians have never forgotten the first Crusade.
This time though The Crusade will be nuclear, Islam versus
Christianity.

Where could it end? Hard to say but it could result in a
third of humanity being wiped out

- all in the name of imaginary gods.

I hope that answers your question.

Emmett's final line sums it up rather well

"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is
freedom. Atheism is human concern, and intellectual honesty
to a degree that the religious mind cannot begin to
understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an
old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact
it is not, and never has been, a religion at all. The
definition of Atheism is magnificent in its simplicity:
Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]

There are many atheist ng's, take a look, you will find many
of your brothers there as well.

Bob
Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist, Brit.

Man creates gods in his own image;
and then spends the rest of his life
manipulating them to his heart's content.



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We don't do that now; now we have Courts and thousands of
laws to cover every contingency - we are grown up now.

Common sense and logic now prevails

Bob
Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist, Brit.

Man creates gods in his own image;
and then spends the rest of his life
manipulating them to his heart's content.



(the Ten Commandments) he
has sinned. However, the Scriptures distinguish between sins of
ignorance and sins of presumption.

* When a person breaks the law unknowingly the Bible calls it
a sin of ignorance. (This person does not "COMMIT" sin).

* When a person breaks the law deliberately it is called a
presumptuous sin. (This person does "COMMIT" sin).

The word COMMIT means: "to do; perpetrate, as a crime". In the
Greek it is poieo which means: to make. To commit sin means
to make sin; it is a deliberate act such as God making the
universe. Therefore, one who sins in ignorance never commits sin.
On the other hand, one who sins presumptuously always commits sin.
It is vital to understand what it means to commit sin because the
apostle John said:

"HE THAT COMMITTETH SIN IS OF THE DEVIL;

WHOSOEVER IS BORN OF GOD DOTH NOT COMMIT SIN."
1 JOHN 3:8-9

One of the greatest deceptions being taught today is that the
phrase "to commit sin" really means "to practice sin" or "to
sin habitually". Those who teach that perversion say that if
one deliberately breaks God's law only "occasionally" he is not
really committing (practicing) sin. Recently a minister told me
that if he were to commit adultery a few years down the road he
would not be practicing sin. I asked him how often could he do
it and not be "practicing sin"? He said "...about every eight
years or so".

According to that theory, every person becomes his own judge of
how many sins must be committed before he is guilty of practicing
sin. Human nature being what it is, a person would always find
a way to convince himself that he is sinning just below the point of
"practicing" sin. For example, one person thinks he is guilty
if he commits adultery every eight years or so, another every
five years, and for another perhaps once a year, etc. Those who
teach that abominable theory say that because a person does not
have a "lifestyle" of sin or does not sin habitually (whatever
that means) he is not really "committing" sin.

To say that to commit sin means "to practice sin or to sin
habitually" is simply the devil's device to keep the guilty sinner
from feeling condemned. The reality is that if a person knowingly
breaks God's law even once, he is committing sin. How many sins
did Adam commit before he was guilty?

The Greek word used for "to commit" is in itself absolute proof
that commit does not mean practice. In the Greek NT there are
two words that are commonly used to express the idea of doing
something. The first is "poieo", the second is "prasso".
Please listen to what Strong's Greek Dictionary Of The New
Testament has to say about those two words.

4160 poieo, poy-eh'o; appar. a prol. form of an obsol.
prim.; to make or do (in a very wide application)

4238 prasso, pru'-so; a prim. verb; to "practice", i.e.
perform repeatedly or habitually (thus differing from 4160
[poieo]
which properly refers to a single act).

When John said "Whosoever is born of God doth not COMMIT sin
he used the word "poieo", (to make or do sin with the idea of
a single act). If he had meant to say "practice" sin he would
have used "prasso".

This device of the devil about practicing sin is not something new,
it is the same old trick he has used for hundreds of years. Please
take a moment to read what John Wesley (leader of the greatest
revival known in modern times) had to say about "habitual sin":

"But some men will say, 'True: whosoever is born of God doth
not commit sin habitually.' Habitually! Whence is that?
I read it not. It is not written in the Book. God plainly
saith, 'He doth not commit sin'; and thou addest, habitually!
Who art thou that mendest the oracles of God?-that 'addest
to the words of this book'? Beware I beseech thee, lest God
"add to thee all the plagues that are written therein'!

John Wesley's Fifty Three Sermons
"The Marks of the New Birth" April 3, 1741

I ask you how many deliberate sins must a person commit before he
is committing sin? How many murders must one commit before he is a
murderer? How often must one commit adultery before he is an
adulterer?

At this point, we must be careful to distinguish between sins of
ignorance and sins committed presumptuously because the sins done
in ignorance can be forgiven but presumptuous sin will not be
forgiven. For example, in the book of Numbers, we find those two
types of sin compared:

SINS OF IGNORANCE (These were forgiven)

Numbers 15:27 And if any soul sin through IGNORANCE, then he
shall bring a she goat of the first year for a sin offering.

15:28 An the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that
SINNETH IGNORANTLY, when he sinneth by ignorance before the
Lord, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.

SINS OF PRESUMPTION (Not forgiven)

Numbers 15:30 BUT the soul that doeth aught
PRESUMPTUOUSLY, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger,
the same reproacheth [blasphemeth] the Lord; and that soul shall be
cut off from among his people.

15:31 Because he hath despised the word of the Lord, and hath
broken his commandment, that soul shall be utterly cut off; his
iniquity shall be upon him."

Those Israelites who deliberately broke God's commandments were
not forgiven! Today, many people think that things are different
since
the resurrection of our Lord Jesus. They say that their WILLFUL sins
are "under the blood of Christ" and therefore forgiven. Are they
correct? God forbid! The apostle John said sins were cleansed only
"IF" we walk in the light:

1 John 1:7 "But IF we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we
have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Christ His Son
cleanseth us from all sin."

Are we cleansed from both sins of ignorance and presumptuous sin?
The answer is obvious: we are cleansed only from sins of ignorance.
The condition for cleansing is that we must "walk in the light". If a
believer is deliberately doing what he knows to be sin, he is not
walking in the light. Therefore, the blood of Christ does not
cleanse
from willful sin.

BLOOD COVERS ERRORS ONLY

The precepts of God do not change. In the Old Testament, the
blood sacrifice of animals was a type looking forward to the blood
sacrifice of Christ. In the New Testament, the apostle Paul confirmed
that the blood sacrifice covered only the ERRORS of the people
never the presumptuous or willful sin.

Paul said this:

Hebrews 9:7 "But into the second [tabernacle] went the high priest
alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for
himself, and for the ERRORS of the people."

The word "error" is from the Greek: agnoema, which means: "a sin,
(strictly, that committed through ignorance or thought-lessness)".
Thayer's Greek Lexicon (Strong's # 51) Many people believe that the
blood sacrifice covered all the deliberate sins of the people of
Israel,
but as you can see, it covered only ERRORS (i.e. the sins of
ignorance). It is the same with the blood of Christ.

When we are truly "born of God" the blood of Christ covers all past
sins and all future sins of ignorance. But those who deliberately
transgress the law of God are committing presumptuous sin and the
blood of Jesus Christ does not cover their willful disobedience.

Paul carefully warned Christians that the sacrifice of Jesus would
not cover willful sin.

He wrote:

Hebrews 10:26 "For if we SIN WILFULLY after that we have
received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth NO MORE
SACRIFICE FOR SINS.

10:27 BUT a certain fearful looking for of judgement and fiery
indignation which shall devour the adversaries."

The adversaries are those who rebel against God. They are believers
who have "come to the knowledge of the truth" and have been set free
from the power of sin. They have the law of God written in their
hearts by the Holy Spirit and yet break it with a high hand. By
their rebellion, they become the enemy of God and will be punished
with Satan and his angels.

In response to this, many will point to King David and his affair
with Bathsheba and the murder of Uriah. They will say that David
sinned presumptuously and God forgave him! That is indeed a good
question which demands an answer. The simplest response is to let
the Scriptures decide why David was forgiven. The answer is is that
David had not yet grown to the point where God considered him to be
a "righteous man" as defined by the Lord in the book of Ezekiel.

Ezekiel 18:21 "But if the WICKED turn away from all his sins that
he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is
lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

18:24 "But when the RIGHTEOUS turneth away from his
righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all
the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his
righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his
trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned,
in them shall he die."

The Lord says that if a WICKED man (as David proved himself to
be) turned away from all his sins he would live, [verse 21] but if
the RIGHTEOUS man turned back to his wicked ways he would die.
[verse 24]

If, in fact, David had fully repented and turned from his wickedness
before his sin with Bathsheba, he would have been a righteous man
who had turned away from his righteousness and therefore
condemned to death. However, since we know that David was not
condemned, we also know that he could not have been a "righteous"
man when he committed sin with Bathsheba.

It is the same today, if a wicked man turns away from his
wickedness he will be forgiven, but the believer who has been
delivered from his sin and then turns back to it (like the dog
returning to his vomit) (2 Peter 2:21) he will be condemned to
death on Judgement Day.

Christians who think they can commit willful sin and still be
saved from God's wrath because their sin will be covered by the
blood of Christ have been deceived by the same Great Serpent who
seduced Eve into disobeying God's law by saying: "Ye shall not
surely die." Please do not listen to that liar or his modern day
helpers. Listen instead to the apostle John:

"HE THAT COMMITTETH SIN IS OF THE DEVIL"

"WHOSOEVER IS BORN OF GOD DOTH NOT COMMIT SIN"
1 JOHN 3:8-9

In order to have eternal life, the Christian must come to the point
where he has ceased from willful sin completely and forever. No
matter what one has been told by his church, the Bible says that
anyone who finds himself still committing willful sin is not born
of God.

We are not truly born of God until we have totally committed
ourselves to obey God's law and surrendered our own will completely
to His will. At that stage of growth, we do not yet understand the
sin nature that is buried deep within our souls. We often break
God's law without knowing it.

Since the sin is done in ignorance, the atoning death of Jesus covers
it. But once we recognize that what we are doing is sin and confess
it, we MUST stop doing it. If we refuse to stop, we are guilty of
rebellion and will be condemned on Judgement Day because we refused
to accept Jesus as our Lord.

Think about it...If we do not obey Jesus, He is not our Lord!
Jesus asked:

"And why call ye me, Lord, Lord and do not the things I say?"
Luke 6:46

Remember, John said: "...whosoever is born of God SINNETH
NOT". (1 John 5:1Cool As sin is revealed by the Holy Spirit those
who really are born of God quit doing it. Eventually all sin is
revealed and thus they quit doing all sin. On the other hand, the
Christian who continues to disobey even one of God's Ten Commandments
(including the Sabbath) is in rebellion. There will be no rebels
in God's kingdom.

Test yourself. Are you still committing willful sin? If so, the
Bible says you are not yet born of God. You can be sure that you
will be condemned to death for your rebellion against the Law of God.
Your only hope is to repent and call upon Jesus to deliver you from
your bondage to sin. The good news is that God cannot fail if you
will only choose to obey Him.

Donna Kupp

The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
http://www.freetruth.info
bob young...
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:19 pm
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Andrew wrote:
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"john w at (no spam) yahoo.com" wrote in message news:3p3ra49n8ff4pqe7bjh550i21jtonlj590 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
"bob young" wrote:

No such thing. Man made up his primitive laws from sheer
necessity and put an imaginary god there to enforce them

I continue to wonder why an atheist hangs out in a Christian group.

It is a disguised cry for help. Deep down he knows that there IS
an all powerful transcendent God who is the maker of all things,
whom he and all mankind must give an account to. Christianity
reveals this God through Christ....through whom only there is
hope of eternal salvation.

More wishful thinking again Andrew ?

Our concern is a sincere dislike of superstition taking over
the mind - take a look at my reply to Mr. Peatty in this thread

Bob
Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist, Brit.

Man creates gods in his own image;
and then spends the rest of his life
manipulating them to his heart's content.

Quote:

Andrew
bob young...
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:25 pm
Guest
Blattus Slafaly wrote:
Quote:

Donna Kupp wrote:
WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO COMMIT SIN?

A pointless question, that is unless you need to harness a
normal human action and turn it into a tool for propagating
the extention of a religious myth.

Sin is found in varying degrees in all of us. Much to the
delight of the clergy who waste no time in hijacking sin for
their own purposes. Sometimes even getting involved in a
bit of it themselves.........

"Kids, if you see an ad that says Cardinals looking for a
bat boy, watch out, that has nothing to do with the baseball
team."
[- Jay Leno]

Bob
Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist, Brit.

Man creates gods in his own image;
and then spends the rest of his life
manipulating them to his heart's content.



Quote:

It means freedom to do as you choose.

--
Blattus Slafaly ? 3 Smile 7/8
 
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