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| ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com |
 Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:37 am |
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Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
Quote: One faith, one Bible -- but two races
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-evang14.html
For years, Meeks and the Rev. Bill Hybels, pastor of
Willow Creek Community Church in South Barrington, have
been getting to know one another as colleagues and
friends. They also have been trying to plan an exchange
between their two enormous congregations. They have
talked about having a portion of their congregants swap
church services, have dinner or hold another social
activity where they can experience one another's worlds.
When are tribal Gond priests of goddess Khaimata and Brahmin priests
going to get to know one another as colleagues and friends, and when
are Gonds and Brahmins going to swap services, have dinner together or
hold other social activity where they can experience one another's
worlds? |
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| Marcus Aurelius |
| Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 3:24 pm |
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None of this is important. The only important question to be answered
by the state is: Why can't the Gond ignore Brahmins the way Brahmins
ignore the Gonds (if they do, and if they ALL do that - it is yet to be
established as true)?
Each human must be able to survive independently of others and
independently of the wishes of others - that is the only measure of a
free state. Of course, that means employment opportunities should be
monitored for the presence (or absence) of communal preferences and
employers punished for doing so.
You can't force anyone to like someone else. But you can make it so
that this like/dislike is irrelevant in the material aspects of every
human being's life. Harassment, when it interferes with life, is also
criminal here.
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| Roy Chang |
| Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 4:17 pm |
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"ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com" <ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<1108474677.529747.123430@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>...
Quote: Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
One faith, one Bible -- but two races
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-evang14.html
For years, Meeks and the Rev. Bill Hybels, pastor of
Willow Creek Community Church in South Barrington, have
been getting to know one another as colleagues and
friends. They also have been trying to plan an exchange
between their two enormous congregations. They have
talked about having a portion of their congregants swap
church services, have dinner or hold another social
activity where they can experience one another's worlds.
When are tribal Gond priests of goddess Khaimata and Brahmin priests
going to get to know one another as colleagues and friends, and when
are Gonds and Brahmins going to swap services, have dinner together or
hold other social activity where they can experience one another's
worlds?
What are the known pre-Dravidian gods/goddesses amongst the Santalis/Gonds?
Are they normally shakti worshippers(ie Amman, Santosh etc )?
Thanks
Roy |
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| Parayan |
| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:56 am |
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Should n't there be thousands of castes, billions of gods and hundreds
of godmen/godwome, godcows and other god-animals |
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| ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com |
| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 12:16 pm |
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Roy Chang wrote:
Quote: "ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com" <ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> wrote in
message news:<1108474677.529747.123430@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>...
Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
One faith, one Bible -- but two races
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-evang14.html
For years, Meeks and the Rev. Bill Hybels, pastor of
Willow Creek Community Church in South Barrington, have
been getting to know one another as colleagues and
friends. They also have been trying to plan an exchange
between their two enormous congregations. They have
talked about having a portion of their congregants swap
church services, have dinner or hold another social
activity where they can experience one another's worlds.
When are tribal Gond priests of goddess Khaimata and Brahmin
priests
going to get to know one another as colleagues and friends, and
when
are Gonds and Brahmins going to swap services, have dinner together
or
hold other social activity where they can experience one another's
worlds?
What are the known pre-Dravidian gods/goddesses amongst the
Santalis/Gonds?
Are they normally shakti worshippers(ie Amman, Santosh etc )?z
Are Japanese Buddhists normally Vishnu worshipers? Not unless they
think the Buddha is Vishnu. Are adivasis Shakti worishpers? Not unless
they think their goddesses are shakti. 3rd parties claiming that
they're Shakti worshipers might be trying to make a case to oppose a
viewpoint that tribals are not Hindus.
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| Roy Chang |
| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 5:19 pm |
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"ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com" <ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<1108574199.322760.241140@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>...
Quote: Roy Chang wrote:
"ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com" <ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> wrote in
message news:<1108474677.529747.123430@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>...
Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
One faith, one Bible -- but two races
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-evang14.html
For years, Meeks and the Rev. Bill Hybels, pastor of
Willow Creek Community Church in South Barrington, have
been getting to know one another as colleagues and
friends. They also have been trying to plan an exchange
between their two enormous congregations. They have
talked about having a portion of their congregants swap
church services, have dinner or hold another social
activity where they can experience one another's worlds.
When are tribal Gond priests of goddess Khaimata and Brahmin
priests
going to get to know one another as colleagues and friends, and
when
are Gonds and Brahmins going to swap services, have dinner together
or
hold other social activity where they can experience one another's
worlds?
What are the known pre-Dravidian gods/goddesses amongst the
Santalis/Gonds?
Are they normally shakti worshippers(ie Amman, Santosh etc )?z
Are Japanese Buddhists normally Vishnu worshipers? Not unless they
think the Buddha is Vishnu. Are adivasis Shakti worishpers? Not unless
they think their goddesses are shakti. 3rd parties claiming that
they're Shakti worshipers might be trying to make a case to oppose a
viewpoint that tribals are not Hindus.
How prevalent is Tribal religion(non-Hindu) in India? Have many
merged their belief system to accomodate Puranic deities? IF so coudl
they have been classed as Hindus? It seems much of them were
obliterated in Nagaland by evangelicals, but what about places like
Jharkhand, Chhatisgarh and Arunachal Pradesh.
Thanks
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| ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com |
| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 6:21 pm |
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Roy Chang wrote:
Quote: "ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com" <ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> wrote ...
Roy Chang wrote:
"ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com" <ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> wrote ...
Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
One faith, one Bible -- but two races
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-evang14.html
For years, Meeks and the Rev. Bill Hybels, pastor of
Willow Creek Community Church in South Barrington, have
been getting to know one another as colleagues and
friends. They also have been trying to plan an exchange
between their two enormous congregations. They have
talked about having a portion of their congregants swap
church services, have dinner or hold another social
activity where they can experience one another's worlds.
When are tribal Gond priests of goddess Khaimata and Brahmin
priests going to get to know one another as colleagues and
friends,
and when are Gonds and Brahmins going to swap services, have
dinner
together or hold other social activity where they can
experience one
another's worlds?
What are the known pre-Dravidian gods/goddesses amongst the
Santalis/Gonds?
Are they normally shakti worshippers (ie Amman, Santosh etc )?z
Are Japanese Buddhists normally Vishnu worshipers? Not unless they
think the Buddha is Vishnu. Are adivasis Shakti worishpers? Not
unless
they think their goddesses are shakti. 3rd parties claiming that
they're Shakti worshipers might be trying to oppose a viewpoint
that
tribals are not Hindus.
How prevalent is Tribal religion (non-Hindu) in India?
Have many merged their belief system to accomodate Puranic deities?
Yes, but it's difficult to tell how many because most of those claimed
not to be Hindu are claimed to be (claim themselves to be?) Hindu on
census records:
Among the 68 million citizens of India who are members of tribal groups
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.... One of the most studied tribal religions is that of the Santal of
Orissa, Bihar, and West Bengal, one of the largest tribes in India,
having a population estimated at 4.2 million. According to the 1991
census, however, only 23,645 people listed Santal as their religious
belief.
http://www.indianchild.com/indian_religions_tribal.htm
Quote: IF so could they have been classed as Hindus?
Even otherwise, the government classifies them as Hindus.
Quote: It seems much of them were
obliterated in Nagaland by evangelicals, but what about places like
Jharkhand, Chhatisgarh and Arunachal Pradesh.
They are generally classified as Hindus, and there are no statistics on
how many of them claim not to be Hindus. There are many representatives
of Dalits (who are not tribals) who claim Dalits are not Hindus but
census records don't match their claims either. There are still many
temples that are frequented only by Dalits. It is not known how many of
these Dalits also frequent temples frequented by non-Dalits.
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| Parayan |
| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 4:10 am |
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To fill religion, options are hindu, Muslim, Jew, Christian, Zorastian,
Jain etc. So Dalits are foced to fill their religion as hindu. Officers
who collect census info are hindu and they fill columns as they like. |
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| ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com |
| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:18 pm |
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Parayan wrote:
Quote: To fill religion, options are hindu, Muslim, Jew, Christian,
Zorastian,
Jain etc. So Dalits are foced to fill their religion as hindu.
Officers
who collect census info are hindu and they fill columns as they like.
Quite possible, but what do you understand by the following? If there
was a column for listing their belief as "Santal", why did so few
Santals list "Santal" as their religious belief? If there was no column
for listing their belief as "Santal", how did 23,645 Santals list
"Santal" as their religious belief?
One of the most studied tribal religions is that of the Santal of
Orissa, Bihar, and West Bengal, one of the largest tribes in India,
having a population estimated at 4.2 million. According to the 1991
census, however, only 23,645 people listed Santal as their religious
belief.
http://www.indianchild.com/indian_religions_tribal.htm |
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