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NY Times
November 6, 2009
Kerik Confesses to Cheating I.R.S. and Telling Lies
By SAM DOLNICK
WHITE PLAINS Bernard B. Kerik, a former detective who rose to lead
the New York Police Department through the 9/11 attack before his
career crumbled in scandal, pleaded guilty Thursday to eight charges
including tax fraud and lying to White House officials.
Wearing a blue suit and a red tie in Federal District Court here, Mr.
Kerik sat at the defense table in the packed courtroom with a subdued
expression. In a deep, gravelly voice, he said, "Guilty, Your Honor,"
as the judge read the charges against him.
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Never wear a suit or tie - you might be mistaken for a white-collar
criminal.
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One of his lawyers, Michael F. Bachner, rubbed Mr. Kerik's back during
the 90-minute proceeding.
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I wonder if that lawyer's bill will itemize a charge for a back rub?
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The prosecution and the defense recommended that the judge, Stephen C.
Robinson, sentence Mr. Kerik, who faced up to 30 years in prison on
the most serious charge, to 27 to 33 months. The judge, who is not
bound by the recommendation, set sentencing for Feb. 18. Mr. Kerik was
also ordered to pay restitution of nearly $188,000.
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As usual with rich white-collar criminals, especially those coming from high
positions, Kerik will get a slap-on-the-wrist few months in a country club
jail. I wonder if his mentor Tyrant Ghouliani will visit him there?
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The tax fraud charges stemmed in part from Mr. Kerik's acceptance of
$250,000 in renovations to his Bronx apartment, provided by a company
accused of having ties to organized crime. He also admitted lying to
White House officials, denying improprieties, while he was being
interviewed to be head of the Department of Homeland Security.
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At least the Feds do a better job of vetting than Ghouliani does. All the
Ghoul requires is blind loyalty. Give him that, and you get to be Deputy
Dictator.
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For the swaggering Mr. Kerik, a man at ease with powerful politicians
and street cops alike, the morning marked the low point in a career
filled with operatic twists that wound through the Bronx, the rubble
of ground zero, and the White House.
Mr. Kerik was a police detective when Rudolph W. Giuliani chose him as
his bodyguard and chauffeur during his first mayoral campaign. The two
men forged a connection that lasted throughout Mr. Giuliani's
mayoralty and beyond.
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Ghouliani also supports and employs an ex-priest, Alan Placa, that was
defrocked for supporting pedophiles in the church and strong evidence of his
own pedophilia. See the article below documenting Ghouliani's support of
pedophiles.
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-->> Mr. Giuliani appointed Mr. Kerik to a senior position in the
Correction Department, where he went on to be commissioner, and even
have a prison named after him in downtown Manhattan. (The name has
since been removed.) In 2000, Mr. Giuliani selected him as the city's
40th police commissioner even though he lacked a college degree,
normally a qualification for the job.
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Serve as Ghouliani's loyal hired gun and you can get anything, no matter how
stupid or uneducated you are!
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Mr. Kerik led the Police Department through the 9/11 attack, meeting
President George W. Bush at the ruins of the World Trade Center. Mr.
Kerik impressed the president enough that the White House tapped Mr.
Kerik to lead Homeland Security in 2004. The bid quickly collapsed and
Mr. Kerik withdrew his name from consideration, citing unpaid taxes
for his family's nanny. More serious allegations then began to
surface, marking the beginning of Mr. Kerik's downfall.
As he sat in court Thursday, peering through reading glasses, Mr.
Kerik seemed a lifetime removed from his days of power.
With the agreement, he pleaded guilty to two counts of tax fraud, one
count of making a false statement on a loan application and five
counts of making false statements to the federal government while
being vetted for senior posts. Corruption charges against him will be
dropped.
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How convenient for Ghouliani, as deeper probes into Kerik's past might
expose organized crime or other corrupt ties to Ghouliani himself.
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The plea deal also suggests that the investigation delved into Mr.
Kerik's business activities abroad between 2005 and 2007, and
provides that in exchange for his admissions, he will not be
prosecuted by the United States attorney's office in Manhattan in
connection with those activities or for any tax crimes that might have
stemmed from them.
The case against Mr. Kerik centered on charges that a New Jersey
construction firm, the Interstate Industrial Corporation, suspected of
organized crime ties, paid for much of the renovation work at Mr.
Kerik's home in Riverdale, in the Bronx, in the hope that he would
help the company obtain a city license.
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The Mob does work for a city official! So much for Ghouliani's law and order
hypocrisy -
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Mr. Kerik admitted Thursday to allowing Interstate to pay for
renovations on his Riverdale apartment while he was correction
commissioner, and to contacting officials on Interstate's behalf.
Mr. Kerik read several brief statements admitting to the series of
crimes. After the first statement, Judge Robinson asked, "Did you
understand what you were doing was wrong and a crime?" he asked.
"I did, Your Honor," Mr. Kerik said.
Through the long pretrial hearing process, the judge had made clear
his displeasure with Mr. Kerik. On Oct. 20, Judge Robinson denounced
his "arrogance" and sent Mr. Kerik to the Westchester County Jail in
Valhalla for leaking sealed information.
Mr. Bachner said he would ask Judge Robinson in the coming days to
reinstate the bail and release Mr. Kerik until sentencing.
On Thursday, Judge Robinson indicated that he saw Mr. Kerik as more
than the sum of his crimes, and that he would take his law enforcement
career into account during sentencing. "I think you had a very full
life," he told Mr. Kerik." There is much good in that full life, I believe."
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And thus he sets the stage for the slap-on-the-wrist sentence to come.
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Moments later, Judge Robinson adjourned the hearing. The gallery set
to murmuring, the lawyers gathered their papers, and the former police
commissioner walked stiffly from the courtroom on his way back to
jail.
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Rudy Giuliani and Alan Placa: "Mayor Morality" and the PEDOPHILE PRIESTS
References:
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2007/03/rudy_giuliani_w.html
http://www.townhall.com/blog/g/432306c2-20b7-4fb5-bb5a-008d54eaf343
http://trustme.com/story.php?title=Rudy-Giuliani--pedo-priest
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/
http://littlemissattila.mu.nu/archives/giuliani_in_drag.jpg
http://bottleofblog.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/guilianidrag.jpg
With the above references you can read in depth about priestly pedophilia
and its ties to a rather hypocritical ex-mayor and Presidential candidate.
Giuliani's close association with and promotion of indicted criminal cop
Kerik is a better known issue, as are his adultery and family estrangements,
but these are less deeply indicative of Giuliani's moral bankruptcy than his
relatively unknown Placa connection.
Alan Placa and Rudy Giuliani were high school buddies, and they remained
close friends through College. Post-college, Placa went to the Seminary, and
Giuliani to law school. After he was ordained, Placa attended law school
too. Eventually he became a Monsignor in the Diocese of Rockville Center on
Long Island, and Giuliani went to Washington in Reagan's Department of
Justice. When Giuliani wanted an annulment of his first marriage - to a 2nd
cousin, a union normally frowned upon by the Catholic Church, Placa did the
job - after being best man at their wedding!
Monsignor Placa got into considerable trouble in the late 1990s when accused
of sexually abusing two minors that could not sue him or the Diocese because
the five-year statute of limitations was long past. When the story broke
Monsignor Placa came up in several parts of it. While serving on Long Island
he had developed a legal strategy for dealing with sex abuse complaints.
This involved having an "intervention team" meet with family members and the
abused, without revealing that Placa was indeed the Diocese lawyer on such
matters. Placa took great pride that in cases that if litigated might cost
the Diocese millions, he could frequently manipulate the situation and get
them off for a few thousand. Of course the Monsignor was flying a false
flag - he was not a spiritual counsel, he was the Bishop's lawyer. He
traveled the country teaching Bishops this evasion technique, with about 200
successful cases outside his own Diocese.
In the 1980s, the preferred method of dealing with Priestly Pedophilia was
to send the black-collar criminal child molesters off for "therapy." There
were several institutions available, one being a huge fraud called the House
of Affirmation run by a Father Thomas A. Kane. Kane lied about his degrees
in psychology, but that was only found out later. In the meantime he
acquired lots of high-grade real estate, and when he was about to go under,
he transferred to Placa titles for property in Massachusetts and Florida,
among other assets. The transfers were not discovered for years.
When this story was all over the papers in 2002, Suffolk County Long Island
had a Grand Jury review the situation with the Rockville Center Diocese, and
while they could not charge Placa because of the statute of limitations,
they issued a report about his "intervention team" manipulating victims and
their families, and the allegations of his abuse of two teens. As a result
Monsignor Placa was suspended from the priesthood and essentially defrocked.
He was allowed to say one public Mass however - at Giuliani's Mother's
funeral, causing the event to be picketed by sex abuse victims! When the
Grand Jury was trying to serve Placa with a subpoena, Giuliani hid him until
the term was out - a probable obstruction of justice by former U.S. Attorney
Giuliani.
Placa is today an extremely close Giuliani friend and associate, despite
being credibly accused of sexual molestation and, perhaps worse, using the
system to cover up his and other abuse cases. The story goes back to a 2002
Newsday article about a January 1975 day when a teenager, Richard Tollner,
volunteered to help make banners for the annual Right to Life march in
Washington. According to the story, the student claims Monsignor Placa
pulled out some posters in the deserted administrative area as if to show
him something, and then began fondling him - all the while making
conversation about the posters.
Tollner said the incidents were repeated every month or so for the next year
and a half. "It was always groping," he said. "He'd draw his hand
deliberately to the inside of my thigh, and over my penis. It would go on
for four or five minutes, sometimes as long as ten."
Placa denies any wrongdoing and has never been formally charged with a
crime. But it is also true that the Diocese of Rockville Center has removed
him from wearing the collar and performing official duties.
It should also be noted that a Grand Jury report paints a devastating
picture of sexual deviancy and criminality in his Rockville Center Diocese.
According to the National Catholic Reporter:
"The report documents allegations of the rape of cheerleaders and altar
boys, of acts of molestation and seductions in churches, rectories, on
camping trips, and in the homes of the minors who were abused. It tells of
instances in which priests provided minors with pornography and alcohol, and
of cases in which the Diocese received allegations but didn't report them to
the police, but instead transferred the accused priests to other parishes."
In the Suffolk County Supreme Court Grand Jury report, Placa, by his own
admission, is referred to as "Priest F," a priest who engaged in pedophilia.
Even after the grand jury testimony, Giuliani stood by him. In another 2003
New York Times article, Placa described the zero-tolerance sex abuse policy
on priests as "immoral and unchristian." Apparently, in Placa's mind, Christ
condoned such perversions. Judging by his loyalty and support, Giuliani, a
proven transvestite and adulterer, does likewise.
Additionally, the 2002 Newsday story included a quote from Kevin Waldron, a
fellow high school friend who corroborates sex abuse victim Tollner's story,
saying Tollner told him of the events after they happened. The Newsday story
goes on to report:
"A second former student, who asked that his name be withheld, said he
described to Suffolk prosecutors what he called 'the newspaper drill.' 'He
(Placa) always had a New York Times in his office. And he'd sit down next to
you on the couch and open it wide and, inevitably, his hand would brush your
crotch.' 'He did it over and over again, I can't tell you how many times.'
That man said he felt so violated that he wrote Placa an unsigned letter 20
years later, blaming him for his loss of interest in pursuing the
priesthood."
Despite all these allegations, Giuliani hired Placa right after all this
went down, and based on news reports and a call to the Giuliani Partners
office, he remains with him today. And as the New York Times reported in
2002, even amid these strong allegations Giuliani jumped to Placa's defense
saying: "He's one of the people I admire most in the world, and if most
people did half the good that Alan's done, the world would be a wonderful
place." Yes, in Giuliani's world child molesters would run free to prey upon
minors, they would protect each other through religious organizations, and
criminals would head police departments and the Department of Homeland
Security. And thus, under Giuliani's autocratic rule, "the world would be a
wonderful place."
Every bit of this has been reported over the years in Newsday, the NY Times,
and in books by Jason Berry. You can find the articles, as well as the Grand
Jury report, archived at www.bishop-accountability.org/. The Times
front-paged it when Giuliani hired Placa for his consulting firm, a firm
known to provide legal counsel for accused white-collar criminals that can
afford it.
So why did Giuliani defend and hire the unsavory Alan Placa? Is this his
version of Affirmative Action? We know he recommended his buddy, criminal
cop Kerik, to George W. Bush for heading up Homeland Security. And two-faced
Giuliani, the closet neo-con, flip-flopped on the abortion issue among
others while a Presidential candidate. He tried to curry favor with
pro-choice advocates but as President would probably have sabotaged women's
rights through judicial appointees that would overturn Roe vs. Wade. If
Giuliani had been elected we could well have seen pedophile priest-lawyers
that oppose abortion on "moral grounds" sitting on the Supreme Court!
And why the lack of media attention to all this before the Presidential
election? Suppose John Edwards, Barack Obama, or Hillary Clinton had given a
cozy sinecure to a defrocked priest credibly accused of pedophilia. What
would've happened? I'll tell you what - every newspaper reader, every radio
listener, and every television news watcher in America would've been
discussing the matter the very next day. But I'll bet you're learning for
the first time right here about Giuliani's de facto defense of child sex
abuse and staunch support of his probable pedophile priestly pal.
Aside from his moral issues, do we want someone in a government executive
position whose definition of freedom is:
" - FREEDOM IS NOT A CONCEPT IN WHICH PEOPLE CAN DO ANYTHING
THEY WANT, BE ANYTHING THEY CAN BE. FREEDOM IS ABOUT AUTHORITY.
FREEDOM IS ABOUT THE WILLINGNESS OF EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING
TO CEDE TO LAWFUL AUTHORITY A GREAT DEAL OF DISCRETION ABOUT
WHAT YOU DO AND HOW YOU DO IT."
- Mayor Giuliani, quoted in the New York Times, March 17, 1994. |
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| Obwon... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:04 am |
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:13:14 -0500, "Freedom Man"
<liberty at (no spam) once.net> wrote:
Quote: NY Times
November 6, 2009
Kerik Confesses to Cheating I.R.S. and Telling Lies
By SAM DOLNICK
When Kerik began talking that became a threat, now he's
been mollified, keep watching. |
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| Werner... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:29 am |
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On Nov 6, 2:13 pm, "Freedom Man" <libe... at (no spam) once.net> wrote:
Quote: NY Times
November 6, 2009
Kerik Confesses to Cheating I.R.S. and Telling Lies
By SAM DOLNICK
WHITE PLAINS Bernard B. Kerik, a former detective who rose to lead
the New York Police Department through the 9/11 attack before his
career crumbled in scandal, pleaded guilty Thursday to eight charges
including tax fraud and lying to White House officials.
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I've started to wonder if crooked cops are now the norm. |
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| Obwon... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:01 pm |
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On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 06:29:43 -0800 (PST), Werner
<whetzner at (no spam) mac.com> wrote:
Quote: On Nov 6, 2:13 pm, "Freedom Man" <libe... at (no spam) once.net> wrote:
NY Times
November 6, 2009
Kerik Confesses to Cheating I.R.S. and Telling Lies
By SAM DOLNICK
WHITE PLAINS Bernard B. Kerik, a former detective who rose to lead
the New York Police Department through the 9/11 attack before his
career crumbled in scandal, pleaded guilty Thursday to eight charges
including tax fraud and lying to White House officials.
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I've started to wonder if crooked cops are now the norm.
Not only you, seeing the twisted logic and other tales
the gov't spins to avoid having to hold police accountable,
in high profile cases, one can only imagine what goes on in
the low profile cases. If things not seen are as bad as
what is being seen, then I'd have to guess you are right!
Look at the incredible pressure it took to bring Justin
Volpe down. Now imagine if his actions did not result in an
emergency trip to the hospital. |
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| Obwon... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:06 pm |
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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 07:04:05 -0500, Obwon <Obwon at (no spam) real.com>
wrote:
Quote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:13:14 -0500, "Freedom Man"
liberty at (no spam) once.net> wrote:
NY Times
November 6, 2009
Kerik Confesses to Cheating I.R.S. and Telling Lies
By SAM DOLNICK
When Kerik began talking that became a threat, now he's
been mollified, keep watching.
What will it be? Accident, suicide or terminal disease? |
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| Sanders Kaufman... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 3:08 pm |
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"Werner" <whetzner at (no spam) mac.com> wrote in message
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Quote: I've started to wonder if crooked cops are now the norm.
As you continue the plunge into dementia, that feeling will only get worse.
But there are drugs like Aricept that can slow the progression.,
Make sure your shrink knows about this developing situation. |
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| Phil... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:36 pm |
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On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 06:29:43 -0800 (PST), Werner <whetzner at (no spam) mac.com>
wrote:
Quote: I've started to wonder if crooked cops are now the norm.
You think this way because you hear only about the bad cops.
Newspapers rarely report on them if they do good.
Phil |
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| Sid9... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:45 pm |
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"Phil" <dogglebe at (no spam) yahoooo.com> wrote in message
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Quote: On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 06:29:43 -0800 (PST), Werner <whetzner at (no spam) mac.com
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I've started to wonder if crooked cops are now the norm.
You think this way because you hear only about the bad cops.
Newspapers rarely report on them if they do good.
Phil
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Cops need to conform to a higher standard.
If they can't, they should a different line of work. |
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| Freedom Man... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:53 pm |
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"Sanders Kaufman" <bucky at (no spam) kaufman.net> wrote in message
news:4zFJm.2848$dc2.1634 at (no spam) newsfe20.iad...
Quote: "Werner" <whetzner at (no spam) mac.com> wrote in message
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I've started to wonder if crooked cops are now the norm.
As you continue the plunge into dementia, that feeling will only get
worse.
But there are drugs like Aricept that can slow the progression.,
Make sure your shrink knows about this developing situation.
Ad-hominem attack is the refuge of unintelligent and immature people
incapable of disproving a valid assertion with facts or logic, so in
frustration they resort to childish name-calling. |
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| Sanders Kaufman... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 4:00 pm |
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"Freedom Man" <liberty at (no spam) once.net> wrote in message
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Quote: "Sanders Kaufman" <bucky at (no spam) kaufman.net> wrote in message
I've started to wonder if crooked cops are now the norm.
As you continue the plunge into dementia, that feeling will only get
worse.
Ad-hominem attack is the refuge of unintelligent and immature people
incapable of disproving a valid assertion with facts or logic, so in
frustration they resort to childish name-calling.
He expressed a genuine fear that "crooked cops are the norm".
Maybe in your community, where anti-government crack-pots hang out, this
might be considered normal and healthy.
But in the real world, it's a great big red flag that his mental condition
is deteriorated.
Or in medical terms, that he is "demented".
Sure, I could have given him a couple of volumes of facts to try to get him
to understand - but there's no point in it.
You anti-government types don't see what healthy people see.
When you look at the world, it's like looking into a fun-house mirror - what
you see is a distortion of what's really there.
So, no matter what I might say to him, he's still going to be ascared that
the gubmint is out to get him.
The BEST that I or anyone else can do for him is to encourage him to get the
medical help he needs.
The WORST anyone can do for him is to take him seriously; to lend
credibility to his delusion. |
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| Werner... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 4:53 pm |
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On Nov 9, 4:00 pm, "Sanders Kaufman" <bu... at (no spam) kaufman.net> wrote:
Quote: "Freedom Man" <libe... at (no spam) once.net> wrote in message
news:hd9rva$9i8$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
"Sanders Kaufman" <bu... at (no spam) kaufman.net> wrote in message
I've started to wonder if crooked cops are now the norm.
As you continue the plunge into dementia, that feeling will only get
worse.
Ad-hominem attack is the refuge of unintelligent and immature people
incapable of disproving a valid assertion with facts or logic, so in
frustration they resort to childish name-calling.
He expressed a genuine fear that "crooked cops are the norm".
Maybe in your community, where anti-government crack-pots hang out, this
might be considered normal and healthy.
You can go to some of the bluest communities in the country and find
communities where cops are not welcome. Are people there crackpots or
are you?
Quote: But in the real world, it's a great big red flag that his mental condition
is deteriorated.
Or in medical terms, that he is "demented".
Where are the facts to substantiate this other than in your own
head?
Quote: Sure, I could have given him a couple of volumes of facts to try to get him
to understand - but there's no point in it.
Give me facts.
Quote: You anti-government types don't see what healthy people see.
When you look at the world, it's like looking into a fun-house mirror - what
you see is a distortion of what's really there.
So, no matter what I might say to him, he's still going to be ascared that
the gubmint is out to get him.
http://gnn.tv/headlines/20014/Schenectady_Mayor_Considers_Martial_Law_Over_Police_Woes
http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=yfp-t-701-s&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF8&rd=r2&p=schenectady%20police%20scandal
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geuyeZ1PhKl1kB4rNXNyoA?p=Albany+police+scandal&fr2=sb-top&fr=yfp-t-701-s&sao=1
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu5e91PhKEJAAPOpXNyoA?fr2=sg-gac&sado=1&p=Troy%20police%20scandal&fr=yfp-t-701-s&pqstr=Troy%20police%20scandal&gprid=U.wrnA2rQ.yCn9AmLgaJ9A&sac=1&sao=1
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geur3u1PhKPW4A.4VXNyoA?fr2=sg-gac&sado=1&p=Resselear%20police%20scandal&fr=yfp-t-701-s&pqstr=Resselear%20police%20scandal&gprid=6lYX6FazTjW5iN_oq8wNIA&sac=1&sao=1
how about Dallas:
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu8IN1fhKXRYBeUVXNyoA?fr2=sg-gac&sado=1&p=dallas%20police%20scandals&fr=yfp-t-701-s&pqstr=Dallas%20police%20scandal&gprid=t6KOhEN0TtGDqNwGyEzrdA&sac=1&sao=1
New Orleans
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu6cn1fhKWkQAZFVXNyoA?fr2=sg-gac&sado=1&p=New%20Orleans%20police%20scandals&fr=yfp-t-701-s&pqstr=New%20Orleans%20police%20scandals&gprid=NtNGsBhrT4iYsiXgA9s9CA&sac=1&sao=1
Obama's town
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geus9h1fhKptUAJxlXNyoA?fr2=sg-gac&sado=1&p=Chicago%20police%20scandals&fr=yfp-t-701-s&pqstr=Chicago%20police%20scandals&gprid=c6qmpa8FQpiI0ewioN0trA&sac=1&sao=1
now do some on your own, Sanders
Quote: The BEST that I or anyone else can do for him is to encourage him to get the
medical help he needs.
The WORST anyone can do for him is to take him seriously; to lend
credibility to his delusion.
kiss my ass |
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| Werner... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:14 am |
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On Nov 10, 12:49 pm, "Sanders Kaufman" <bu... at (no spam) kaufman.net> wrote:
Quote: "Werner" <whetz... at (no spam) mac.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 9, 4:00 pm, "Sanders Kaufman" <bu... at (no spam) kaufman.net> wrote:
Sure, I could have given him a couple of volumes of facts to try to get
him
to understand - but there's no point in it.
Give me facts.
You already have the facts.
What you lack is character - and there's nothing I can do to help you with
that.
You're a character, Sanders. No matter how often your nose is pressed
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| Sanders Kaufman... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:49 pm |
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"Werner" <whetzner at (no spam) mac.com> wrote in message
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Quote: On Nov 9, 4:00 pm, "Sanders Kaufman" <bu... at (no spam) kaufman.net> wrote:
Sure, I could have given him a couple of volumes of facts to try to get
him
to understand - but there's no point in it.
Give me facts.
You already have the facts.
What you lack is character - and there's nothing I can do to help you with
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| Sanders Kaufman... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:31 pm |
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"Werner" <whetzner at (no spam) mac.com> wrote in message
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Quote: On Nov 10, 12:49 pm, "Sanders Kaufman" <bu... at (no spam) kaufman.net> wrote:
You already have the facts.
What you lack is character - and there's nothing I can do to help you
with
that.
You're a character, Sanders. No matter how often your nose is pressed
in shit, you're like a puppy who wont get trained.
That's what I'm talking about! |
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| Freedom Man... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:01 pm |
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"Sanders Kaufman" <bucky at (no spam) kaufman.net> wrote in message
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Quote: "Freedom Man" <liberty at (no spam) once.net> wrote in message
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"Sanders Kaufman" <bucky at (no spam) kaufman.net> wrote in message
I've started to wonder if crooked cops are now the norm.
As you continue the plunge into dementia, that feeling will only get
worse.
Ad-hominem attack is the refuge of unintelligent and immature people
incapable of disproving a valid assertion with facts or logic, so in
frustration they resort to childish name-calling.
He expressed a genuine fear that "crooked cops are the norm".
Maybe in your community, where anti-government crack-pots hang out, this
might be considered normal and healthy.
I agree that some cops are crooked, but not all.
What I saw was merely an insult to the poster, not a rational reply or
discussion of the facts or opinions presented.
I see that you are resorting to the same childish conduct too.
Quote: But in the real world, it's a great big red flag that his mental condition
is deteriorated.
Or in medical terms, that he is "demented".
So everyone you disagree with is insane? Do you know what "projection"
means?
Ad-hominem attack is the refuge of unintelligent and immature people
incapable of disproving a valid assertion with facts or logic, so in
frustration they resort to childish name-calling. |
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