Jerry Okamura wrote
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Jerry Okamura wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote
Jerry Okamura wrote
Michael Gordge <mikegordge at (no spam) xtra.co.nz> wrote
Jerry Okamura <okamuraj... at (no spam) hawaii.rr.com> wrote

Too much thinking and too little common sense. It is really
simple. Libertairans believe that people should be free.

Libertarians are terminal fuckwits.

Libertarians believe in freedom. If that makes them "terminal
fuckwits", then I would be proud to be called a libertarian..

Libertarianism is consumerism wearing a powdered wig and knee breeches.

If you are free, you get to choose what you want or need.

Wrong when things are setup very badly so you cant get to choose an
appropriate way to deal with
a serious medical problem when you are incapable of working due to that
serious medical problem.
Yep, that person is just a "victim" who had no control over what happens.

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote
Jerry Okamura wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote
Jerry Okamura wrote
Michael Gordge <mikegordge at (no spam) xtra.co.nz> wrote
Jerry Okamura <okamuraj... at (no spam) hawaii.rr.com> wrote

Too much thinking and too little common sense. It is really
simple. Libertairans believe that people should be free.

Libertarians are terminal fuckwits.

Libertarians believe in freedom.

Libertarians wouldnt know what real freedom was if it bit them on their lard arses.

No, you got it backwards.

Democrats don't give a damn about our freedoms, or they would not be trying to "force" everyone to have health
insurance.

Most obviously when their dreaded 'big govt' delivered real freedom for MILLIONS in WW2.

Ah, and Bush delivered real freedom for MILLIONS, when he went to war with Iraq.

Are you saying that he made the right decision?

And completely eliminated world wars as well.

That is a downright silly statement.

No one can ELIMINATE world wars.

Thats REAL freedom, fuckwit.

Yep. we fought to give other people freedom, while at home we are doing eveything we can to take away our freedoms.

If that makes them "terminal fuckwits", then I would be proud to be called a libertarian..

No surprises there.

If wanting our citizens to be free,

is being a "terminal fuckwit",

I would be more than happy to be among those who will fight for our freedoms.

Jerry Okamura <okamuraj... at (no spam) hawaii.rr.com> wrote

You may be born free, but you are not free for very long, if governement takes away your freedom.

Hence, freedom can only ever be violated / taken away, never granted.

On Oct 28, 1:55 am, "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj... at (no spam) hawaii.rr.com> wrote:

Too much thinking and too little common sense.  It is really simple.
Libertairans believe that people should be free.

Nope, you are born free and what you believe doesn't change that fact.

The allies granted real freedom to hordes as a result of WW2, fool.

To deny this is to deny a fundamental of biology.

Jerry Okamura wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote
Jerry Okamura wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote
Jerry Okamura wrote
Michael Gordge <mikegordge at (no spam) xtra.co.nz> wrote
Jerry Okamura <okamuraj... at (no spam) hawaii.rr.com> wrote

Too much thinking and too little common sense. It is really
simple. Libertairans believe that people should be free.

Libertarians are terminal fuckwits.

Libertarians believe in freedom.

Libertarians wouldnt know what real freedom was if it bit them on their
lard arses.

No, you got it backwards.

Nope, you have.

Democrats don't give a damn about our freedoms, or they would not be
trying to "force" everyone to have health insurance.

It aint just democrats that force everyone to have liability insurance
with their cars.

Most obviously when their dreaded 'big govt' delivered real freedom for
MILLIONS in WW2.

Ah, and Bush delivered real freedom for MILLIONS, when he went to war
with Iraq.

No one but a fool ever claimed anything like that.

Are you saying that he made the right decision?

Nope, I have said repeatedly that he didnt.

Separate matter entirely to whether your dreaded 'big
govt' delivered real freedom to MILLIONS in WW2.

And completely eliminated world wars as well.

That is a downright silly statement.

Nope.

No one can ELIMINATE world wars.

Its just happened, with your dreaded 'big govt' delivering nukes.

And your dreaded 'big govt' delivered the 'green revolution' that
delivered real freedom from starvation for countless millions in spades.

Thats REAL freedom, fuckwit.

Yep. we fought to give other people freedom, while at home we are doing
eveything we can to take away our freedoms.

That last is only your pathetic little pig ignorant fantasyland.

---- well at least..............

That is really a silly statement.  When anyone wants people to be free, that
does not mean that you can do anything you want to do with that freedom.

Independence and freedom are not necessarily the same thing.

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote
Jerry Okamura wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote
Jerry Okamura wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote
Jerry Okamura wrote
Michael Gordge <mikegordge at (no spam) xtra.co.nz> wrote
Jerry Okamura <okamuraj... at (no spam) hawaii.rr.com> wrote

Too much thinking and too little common sense. It is really
simple. Libertairans believe that people should be free.

Libertarians are terminal fuckwits.

Libertarians believe in freedom.

Libertarians wouldnt know what real freedom was if it bit them on their lard arses.

No, you got it backwards.

Nope, you have.

Democrats don't give a damn about our freedoms, or they would not be trying to "force" everyone to have health
insurance.

It aint just democrats that force everyone to have liability insurance with their cars.

That is a true statement, that does not mean they are right.

Most obviously when their dreaded 'big govt' delivered real freedom for MILLIONS in WW2.

Ah, and Bush delivered real freedom for MILLIONS, when he went to war with Iraq.

No one but a fool ever claimed anything like that.

Once again you got it backwards.

The Iraqi people were not free when Saddam was in control of that country.

As a result of our actions, the peole have a chance to be free.

Now, what they will do about that chance is still an unknwon,

but you cannot argue that they have not been given the chance,

that they did not have when Saddam was in control of that country.

Are you saying that he made the right decision?

Nope, I have said repeatedly that he didnt.

Obama is making the wrong decision?

Separate matter entirely to whether your dreaded 'big
govt' delivered real freedom to MILLIONS in WW2.

And completely eliminated world wars as well.

That is a downright silly statement.

Nope.

No one can ELIMINATE world wars.

Its just happened, with your dreaded 'big govt' delivering nukes.

Which means what?

And your dreaded 'big govt' delivered the 'green revolution' that
delivered real freedom from starvation for countless millions in spades.

At the cost of the "freedom" of someone else?

Thats REAL freedom, fuckwit.

No REAL freedom is when EVERYONE is free, not some with more FREEDOM and some with less FREEDOM.

Yep. we fought to give other people freedom, while at home we are doing eveything we can to take away our freedoms.

That last is only your pathetic little pig ignorant fantasyland.

When government is about to "force" everyone to have health
insurance, how can that be giving people more freedom?

Insurance IS making people less free, not more free.

When you buy insurance you are depeding on someone else to provide you with a little more safety, at the price of your
freedom.

Who is the ignorant one, you or me?

Jerry Okamura wrote
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Jerry Okamura wrote
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Jerry Okamura wrote
Michael Gordge <mikegordge at (no spam) xtra.co.nz> wrote
Jerry Okamura <okamuraj... at (no spam) hawaii.rr.com> wrote

Too much thinking and too little common sense. It is really
simple. Libertairans believe that people should be free.

Libertarians are terminal fuckwits.

Libertarians believe in freedom.

Libertarians wouldnt know what real freedom was if it bit them on
their lard arses.

No, you got it backwards.

Nope, you have.

Democrats don't give a damn about our freedoms, or they would not be
trying to "force" everyone to have health insurance.

It aint just democrats that force everyone to have liability insurance
with their cars.

That is a true statement, that does not mean they are right.

You get no say what so ever on what is right, EVER.

Most obviously when their dreaded 'big govt' delivered real freedom
for MILLIONS in WW2.

Ah, and Bush delivered real freedom for MILLIONS, when he went to war
with Iraq.

No one but a fool ever claimed anything like that.

Once again you got it backwards.

You're lying, as always.

The Iraqi people were not free when Saddam was in control of that
country.

They aint free NOW, fuckwit.

As a result of our actions, the peole have a chance to be free.

They always did, they could have overthrown Saddam, fuckwit.

Now, what they will do about that chance is still an unknwon,

Like hell it is, we already know that they told americans to fuck off out
of their country.

but you cannot argue that they have not been given the chance,

Corse I can when their personal circumstances ended
up MUCH LESS FREE as a result of the stupid invasion.

They werent even free to go down the market without a severe risk of
getting killed, fuckwit.

that they did not have when Saddam was in control of that country.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.

Are you saying that he made the right decision?

Nope, I have said repeatedly that he didnt.

Obama is making the wrong decision?

He hasnt made any decision that matters except to continue what the shrub
did on the bailouts etc.

Separate matter entirely to whether your dreaded 'big
govt' delivered real freedom to MILLIONS in WW2.

And completely eliminated world wars as well.

That is a downright silly statement.

Nope.

No one can ELIMINATE world wars.

Its just happened, with your dreaded 'big govt' delivering nukes.

Which means what?

That nukes completely eliminated any possibility of another world war.

No one like the Japs or the krauts will ever be stupid enough to try it
again.

And your dreaded 'big govt' delivered the 'green revolution' that
delivered real freedom from starvation for countless millions in spades.

At the cost of the "freedom" of someone else?

Nope, most who were free to starve were free to not starve, fuckwit.

Thats REAL freedom, fuckwit.

No REAL freedom is when EVERYONE is free, not some with more FREEDOM and
some with less FREEDOM.

You aint established that anyone had less FREEDOM as a result of that
particular big govt activity, fuckwit.

You aint established that anyone had less FREEDOM as
a result of big govt completely eliminating smallpox from
the wild either except in the peurile sense that you are
no long free to contract smallpox and die of it anymore.

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote
Jerry Okamura wrote
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Jerry Okamura wrote
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Jerry Okamura wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote
Jerry Okamura wrote
Michael Gordge <mikegordge at (no spam) xtra.co.nz> wrote
Jerry Okamura <okamuraj... at (no spam) hawaii.rr.com> wrote

Too much thinking and too little common sense. It is really
simple. Libertairans believe that people should be free.

Libertarians are terminal fuckwits.

Libertarians believe in freedom.

Libertarians wouldnt know what real freedom was if it bit them on their lard arses.

No, you got it backwards.

Nope, you have.

Democrats don't give a damn about our freedoms, or they would not be trying to "force" everyone to have health
insurance.

It aint just democrats that force everyone to have liability insurance with their cars.

That is a true statement, that does not mean they are right.

You get no say what so ever on what is right, EVER.

Don't approve of the First Amendment to the Constitution?

Most obviously when their dreaded 'big govt' delivered real freedom for MILLIONS in WW2.

Ah, and Bush delivered real freedom for MILLIONS, when he went to war with Iraq.

No one but a fool ever claimed anything like that.

Once again you got it backwards.

You're lying, as always.

The Iraqi people were not free when Saddam was in control of that country.

They aint free NOW, fuckwit.

That is a lie.

They have a whole lot more freedom than the citizens of Iran or North Korea,

to name two countries where the people have less freedom.

As a result of our actions, the peole have a chance to be free.

They always did, they could have overthrown Saddam, fuckwit.

Meaningless statement. The fact is, they DID NOT overthrow Saddam

Now, what they will do about that chance is still an unknwon,

Like hell it is, we already know that they told americans to fuck off out of their country.

Free people can do what they want for their own country.

but you cannot argue that they have not been given the chance,

Corse I can when their personal circumstances ended
up MUCH LESS FREE as a result of the stupid invasion.

Ignorance is bliss.

They werent even free to go down the market without a severe risk of getting killed, fuckwit.

Freedom does not guarantee safety.

In order to be both free and safe, you have to fight for your freedoms.

that they did not have when Saddam was in control of that country.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.

Huh? Did they have more freedom when Saddam was in power,

or do they have more freedom now?

Are you saying that he made the right decision?

Nope, I have said repeatedly that he didnt.

Obama is making the wrong decision?

He hasnt made any decision that matters except to continue what the shrub did on the bailouts etc.

Yep, and therefore, he agrees that Bush did the right thing?

Separate matter entirely to whether your dreaded 'big
govt' delivered real freedom to MILLIONS in WW2.

And completely eliminated world wars as well.

That is a downright silly statement.

Nope.

No one can ELIMINATE world wars.

Its just happened, with your dreaded 'big govt' delivering nukes.

Relevance to what I said?

Which means what?

That nukes completely eliminated any possibility of another world war.

Reading tea leaves again?

No one like the Japs or the krauts will ever be stupid enough to try it again.

First of all, by using those words, you have proven to everyone who reads your posting that you are a racist.

Second, obviously they Japanese and Germans would not start another war, why should they, as a result of having been
defeated, they were given a chance to be free, and as a result they used that right to make their country prosper.

And your dreaded 'big govt' delivered the 'green revolution' that
delivered real freedom from starvation for countless millions in spades.

At the cost of the "freedom" of someone else?

Nope, most who were free to starve were free to not starve, fuckwit.

How many Americans are not going to starve as a result of the green revolution?

What has the green revolution done to prevent people from starving?

Thats REAL freedom, fuckwit.

No REAL freedom is when EVERYONE is free, not some with more FREEDOM and some with less FREEDOM.

You aint established that anyone had less FREEDOM as a result of that particular big govt activity, fuckwit.

Do I really have to establish that?

Big government, menas more government programs, and more spending.

What government programs gives us more freedoms,

and what government program gives us less freedom.

If the government "confiscates" our money to feed the beast,

do we have more freedom or less freedom?

You aint established that anyone had less FREEDOM as
a result of big govt completely eliminating smallpox from
the wild either except in the peurile sense that you are
no long free to contract smallpox and die of it anymore.

Ignorance is bliss

On Nov 6, 7:59 am, "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj... at (no spam) hawaii.rr.com> wrote:

That is really a silly statement. When anyone wants people to be free, that
does not mean that you can do anything you want to do with that freedom.

The allies granted real freedom to hordes as a result of WW2, fool.