85% are already insured.  We are happy with our health insurance.

85% are already insured. We are happy with our health insurance. this
bill is all for 4 percent (after you deduct the undocumented aliens,
those who do not want care, and those who are not insured because they
are between jobs but will be picked up soon) who are not insured and to
throw out the coverage enjoyed by 85 percent who have it. the bill is
flawed in that regard. if you want to insure those who have no
coverage, then direct the bill only to them and leave the rest of us
alone.

if you want and like socialized medicine, this is for you.  have a good
life if your congressperson and the government says you can.  i want my
freedom to choose my doctor,

health coverage and medications without
some person telling me what i can and cannot do.

85% are already insured.  We are happy with our health insurance.  this
bill is all for 4 percent (after you deduct the undocumented aliens,
those who do not want care, and those who are not insured because they
are between jobs but will be picked up soon) who are not insured and to
throw out the coverage enjoyed by 85 percent who have it.  the bill is
flawed in that regard.  if you want to insure those who have no
coverage, then direct the bill only to them and leave the rest of us
alone.  

On Nov 7, 12:58 pm, minerva <socializedmed at (no spam) 3trillioncost> wrote:

85% are already insured. We are happy with our health insurance.


Ignorance is always a bliss, isn't it ?

Just consider the fact that a WHO study about health care around the
world ranked US barely #37 however
we spend per capita for health care more than twice as #1 France. As
mater of fact, US trail countries spending
per capita almost 1/5 from what we spend.

In US there are about 850000 personal bankruptcies as a direct result
of illnesses. The large majority of medical bankruptcies are in
privately insured people. The system is just not working properly for
anyone who is not healthy above average.

Keep in mind, that in ALL Western Europe (a population about the same
as US) there is NOT A SINGLE personal bankruptcy due to illnesses. An
European when is sick, he goes to the doctor and get healthy
regardless of his income. In US 46000 die each years just because
they can not afford health care.

And there is the big issue of health care rationalization. Unless to
the lies spread by the insurance industry, the private insurers impose
much more care rationalization than the worst government run plan in
Europe.
The rationalization in private sector came in various forms, so weak
minds fail to see it. The most common forms of rationalizations are:

- uncovered procedures, deemed as "experimental" despite the fact that
some of them are practiced from....1950s or even earlier. But if the
procedure is too expensive, the bureaucrats from private industry just
label it as experimental and they are not going to pay for.

- bureaucratic "review" of doctor orders. If a procedure recommended
by your doctor it is too expensive, a faceless bureaucrat from the
private industry decide that "your doctor is wrong, that procedure
will not help you" and he deny it.
The denial it is not based on any medical statistic or study but just
on the greed of the businessmen to increase profit.

- arbitrary set yearly limits. Without any consideration for your
health conditions, they can impose an yearly cap which if you exceed,
they will not cover anymore for the rest of the year.

- refusal for coverage of existing preconditions. This criminal
practice it is so widespread and harmful that any mentally sane person
consider it a crime against humanity. This does not happen in ANY
other civilized country.

- keeping a large portion of people in need out of medical system. The
large pool of uninsured over 46 million uninsured out of 300 M it is
15.33% not 4%. But math literacy is hard to come by in some circles.

And many more... But for the average ignorant all the facts does not
matter. They never read or are interested to learn the truth. They
just listen to conservative talk shows and believe that lies, hatred
and brainwashing corporate PR is the normality.

if you want and like socialized medicine, this is for you. have a good

... happy ...

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:58:01 -0500, minerva <socializedmed at (no spam) 3trillioncost> wrote:


... happy ...


No, you're stupid.

You pay too much for too little.

On Nov 7, 7:17 pm, minerva <socializedmed at (no spam) 3trillioncost> wrote:


if you want and like socialized medicine, this is for you. have a good
life if your congressperson and the government says you can. i want my
freedom to choose my doctor,


Then private insurance is not for you ! Ever heard of IN-NETWORK
providers ?
By contrast, in most European all doctors are "in-network".


health coverage and medications without
some person telling me what i can and cannot do.


Then private insurance is not for you ! If you have a preexisting
condition and apply for individual coverage
the businesses will refuse to cover it (if you are lucky) or will just
refuse to insure you at all (usually).

The businessmen responsible only in front of their shareholders tell
you: Denied !
And you have no saying since it is just a regular business
transaction.
By contrast, in Europe you are automatically covered for any medical
condition regardless if pre or post.


go then. au revoir, arrivaderci, hasta la vista baby, adieu, auf

go then.  au revoir, arrivaderci, hasta la vista baby, adieu, auf
wiedersehn, salaam, good bye.

I don't think

you can call me stupid

will do
nothing to help quality health care

want to control ...