it's taking a while, but it is slowly penetrating...
a real tory at last...

abelard wrote:

it's taking a while, but it is slowly penetrating...
a real tory at last...

True.

Millionaire son of a stockbroker, never had a proper job but has had
the best education money can buy, and he's got a real 'Bullingdon
sneer', got his start in politics because royalty dropped a word in for
him, stabs his own party faithful in the back, does a deal with some
very unsavoury elements in Europe..

A real Tory, and right up there with Lord Halifax on the list of people
you never want to be Prime Minister, ever...

Not that it'll stop him, but I very much doubt he'll last long.

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:25:41 +0000, William Black
william.black at (no spam) hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

abelard wrote:

it's taking a while, but it is slowly penetrating...
a real tory at last...
True.

Millionaire son of a stockbroker, never had a proper job but has had
the best education money can buy, and he's got a real 'Bullingdon
sneer', got his start in politics because royalty dropped a word in for
him, stabs his own party faithful in the back, does a deal with some
very unsavoury elements in Europe..

A real Tory, and right up there with Lord Halifax on the list of people
you never want to be Prime Minister, ever...

Not that it'll stop him, but I very much doubt he'll last long.

yes, i realise you suffer from lower class cringe....
yes i realise you fear those better educated than yourself...
that is a good part of why we have a gang of ignorant socialists
in no. 10...
yes, i realise you fear those you cannot bribe or threaten...

abelard wrote:

it's taking a while, but it is slowly penetrating...
a real tory at last...

True.

Millionaire son of a stockbroker, never had a proper job but has had
the best education money can buy, and he's got a real 'Bullingdon
sneer', got his start in politics because royalty dropped a word in for
him, stabs his own party faithful in the back, does a deal with some
very unsavoury elements in Europe..

A real Tory, and right up there with Lord Halifax on the list of people
you never want to be Prime Minister, ever...

Not that it'll stop him, but I very much doubt he'll last long.

abelard wrote:
On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:25:41 +0000, William Black
william.black at (no spam) hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

abelard wrote:

it's taking a while, but it is slowly penetrating...
a real tory at last...
True.

Millionaire son of a stockbroker, never had a proper job but has had
the best education money can buy, and he's got a real 'Bullingdon
sneer', got his start in politics because royalty dropped a word in for
him, stabs his own party faithful in the back, does a deal with some
very unsavoury elements in Europe..

A real Tory, and right up there with Lord Halifax on the list of people
you never want to be Prime Minister, ever...

Not that it'll stop him, but I very much doubt he'll last long.

yes, i realise you suffer from lower class cringe....
yes i realise you fear those better educated than yourself...
that is a good part of why we have a gang of ignorant socialists
in no. 10...
yes, i realise you fear those you cannot bribe or threaten...


I really do fear Cameron, and I notice you do not refute one word of
what I wrote...

abelard wrote:

it's taking a while, but it is slowly penetrating...
a real tory at last...

True.

Millionaire son of a stockbroker, never had a proper job but has had
the best education money can buy, and he's got a real 'Bullingdon
sneer', got his start in politics because royalty dropped a word in
for him, stabs his own party faithful in the back, does a deal with
some very unsavoury elements in Europe..

A real Tory, and right up there with Lord Halifax on the list of
people you never want to be Prime Minister, ever...

Not that it'll stop him,

but I very much doubt he'll last long.

William Black wrote:
abelard wrote:

it's taking a while, but it is slowly penetrating...
a real tory at last...

True.

Millionaire son of a stockbroker, never had a proper job but has had
the best education money can buy, and he's got a real 'Bullingdon
sneer', got his start in politics because royalty dropped a word in
for him, stabs his own party faithful in the back, does a deal with
some very unsavoury elements in Europe..

A well educated "true" politician in other words. You are falling into
the Class Trap again!! - I am surprised and disappointed in you. Envy is
very much a class thing.

Harry Merrick wrote:
William Black wrote:
abelard wrote:

it's taking a while, but it is slowly penetrating...
a real tory at last...

True.

Millionaire son of a stockbroker, never had a proper job but has
had the best education money can buy, and he's got a real
'Bullingdon sneer', got his start in politics because royalty
dropped a word in for him, stabs his own party faithful in the
back, does a deal with some very unsavoury elements in Europe..

A well educated "true" politician in other words. You are falling
into the Class Trap again!! - I am surprised and disappointed in
you. Envy is very much a class thing.

It's not so much the 'class trap' as being worried that the lad got a
leg up from royalty pulling strings, he's never had a proper job and
he's got some very dodgy mates...

William Black wrote:
Harry Merrick wrote:
William Black wrote:
abelard wrote:

it's taking a while, but it is slowly penetrating...
a real tory at last...

True.

Millionaire son of a stockbroker, never had a proper job but has
had the best education money can buy, and he's got a real
'Bullingdon sneer', got his start in politics because royalty
dropped a word in for him, stabs his own party faithful in the
back, does a deal with some very unsavoury elements in Europe..

A well educated "true" politician in other words. You are falling
into the Class Trap again!! - I am surprised and disappointed in
you. Envy is very much a class thing.

It's not so much the 'class trap' as being worried that the lad got a
leg up from royalty pulling strings, he's never had a proper job and
he's got some very dodgy mates...

Seems VERY working class reasons to me!

benefit of the doubt.

He cannot be any worse than what we already have,
that's for sure!

elected as an MP and is voted for democratically by his constituents.
They cannot "all" be Royal!!!

Family does have the best interests of Britain at heart at least. - Are
you saying that being a politician is NOT a proper job?? -

mates? Well? Don't we all have at least one dodgy mate? Usually much
better fun than the rest.

Harry Merrick wrote:
William Black wrote:
Harry Merrick wrote:
William Black wrote:
abelard wrote:

it's taking a while, but it is slowly penetrating...
a real tory at last...

True.

Millionaire son of a stockbroker, never had a proper job but has
had the best education money can buy, and he's got a real
'Bullingdon sneer', got his start in politics because royalty
dropped a word in for him, stabs his own party faithful in the
back, does a deal with some very unsavoury elements in Europe..

A well educated "true" politician in other words. You are falling
into the Class Trap again!! - I am surprised and disappointed in
you. Envy is very much a class thing.

It's not so much the 'class trap' as being worried that the lad got
a leg up from royalty pulling strings, he's never had a proper job
and he's got some very dodgy mates...

Seems VERY working class reasons to me!

How many people do you know who get a leg up from royalty?

You should at least give him the
benefit of the doubt.

Why?

He's a politician.

He cannot be any worse than what we already have,
that's for sure!

Oh I don't know, I remember the last Tory government...

Loyalty strings?? What can you mean? He still has to be
elected as an MP and is voted for democratically by his constituents.
They cannot "all" be Royal!!!

You obviously don't know the story about how he got his job at Tory
Party Central Office, which is interesting in itself.

- Even if they were, so what? The Royal
Family does have the best interests of Britain at heart at least. -
Are you saying that being a politician is NOT a proper job?? -

He's MP for Whitney, a place he had no connection with before his
election,

and a place where the pig in the pork shop window can get
elected if it has a blue ribbon in its ear...

As for dodgy
mates? Well? Don't we all have at least one dodgy mate? Usually much
better fun than the rest.

Not that dodgy...

His own group leader in the European parliament walked out on him
because he did a deal with a bunch of neo Nazis.

William Black wrote:

How many people do you know who get a leg up from royalty?

Nobody. What has that to do with anything? Anyway, where are the links
please?

He's a politician.

Oh, I thought you said he has never had a proper job! Anyway, politician
or not, he is still due a fair chance IMO.

He cannot be any worse than what we already have,
that's for sure!

Oh I don't know, I remember the last Tory government...

I remember them too. The last Tory Govenment was not so bad at all. It
certainly was not so incomparably bad as New Labour, that is for sure.

You obviously don't know the story about how he got his job at Tory
Party Central Office, which is interesting in itself.

Obviously, you must have inside information. Why not post a link?
Anyway, there are plenty of Labour supporters who have been given a
helping hand on the way. Mandelslime for one. The dreadful Haine for
another.

- Even if they were, so what? The Royal
Family does have the best interests of Britain at heart at least. -
Are you saying that being a politician is NOT a proper job?? -

He's MP for Whitney, a place he had no connection with before his
election,

For goodness sake! How many other MP's have been put into safe seats who
had no previous connection before their election??

and a place where the pig in the pork shop window can get
elected if it has a blue ribbon in its ear...

So? What's wrong with that? A safe seat is a safe seat. I'll bet all
parties have seats such as those. You cannot blame Cameron for that!

As for dodgy
mates? Well? Don't we all have at least one dodgy mate? Usually much
better fun than the rest.

Not that dodgy...

His own group leader in the European parliament walked out on him
because he did a deal with a bunch of neo Nazis.

Not dodgy at all. That was someone with the strength of his convictions
and a professional politician. "Mate," per se, doesn't come into it.
Actually, that is one of the things the Conservatives have to address
urgently, IMO. Deals with neo Nazi's and then condemning BNP? Not
acceptable.

Harry Merrick wrote:
William Black wrote:


How many people do you know who get a leg up from royalty?

Nobody. What has that to do with anything? Anyway, where are the
links please?

http://foxinparliament.wordpress.com/2009/10/08/the-real-david-cameron/

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/dispatches/cameron+toff+at+the+top/328047

He's a politician.

Oh, I thought you said he has never had a proper job! Anyway,
politician or not, he is still due a fair chance IMO.

Politicians never deserve a fair chance.

He cannot be any worse than what we already have,
that's for sure!

Oh I don't know, I remember the last Tory government...

I remember them too. The last Tory Govenment was not so bad at all.
It certainly was not so incomparably bad as New Labour, that is for
sure.

Oh come on.

They were taking bribes in cash .

You obviously don't know the story about how he got his job at Tory
Party Central Office, which is interesting in itself.

Obviously, you must have inside information. Why not post a link?
Anyway, there are plenty of Labour supporters who have been given a
helping hand on the way. Mandelslime for one. The dreadful Haine for
another.

See above.

Mandleson was the son in law of a cabinet minister and a Labour Party
member from a very early age.

He worked in television until he was over 30.

- Even if they were, so what? The Royal
Family does have the best interests of Britain at heart at least. -
Are you saying that being a politician is NOT a proper job?? -

He's MP for Whitney, a place he had no connection with before his
election,

For goodness sake! How many other MP's have been put into safe seats
who had no previous connection before their election??

I have no idea, far too many in my opinion.

and a place where the pig in the pork shop window can get
elected if it has a blue ribbon in its ear...

So? What's wrong with that? A safe seat is a safe seat. I'll bet all
parties have seats such as those. You cannot blame Cameron for that!

Well, yes I can.

As for dodgy
mates? Well? Don't we all have at least one dodgy mate? Usually
much better fun than the rest.

Not that dodgy...

His own group leader in the European parliament walked out on him
because he did a deal with a bunch of neo Nazis.

Not dodgy at all. That was someone with the strength of his
convictions and a professional politician. "Mate," per se, doesn't
come into it. Actually, that is one of the things the Conservatives
have to address urgently, IMO. Deals with neo Nazi's and then
condemning BNP? Not acceptable.


The word you're searching for is hypocrite,

the sort of man who gives
the cast iron promise of a referendum and then, erm, reneges on his
promise...