Peter Franks wrote:
Informal Poll:

In your opinion, what is the opposite of Socialism?

I'll posit an answer to my own question:

The opposite of Socialism is Freedom.

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:48:05 -0800, Peter Franks
none at (no spam) none.com> wrote:

The opposite of Socialism is Freedom.

Nonsense

Socialism requires power sharing equally

By government or by government control - that's the difference
between Communism and Socialism.

- Medical equipment manufacturers and suppliers, hospitals, clinics,
doctors and nurses are required to be licensed and regulated by
government.

- Insurance companies are controlled by the states in which they
operate.

- Government sponsored Medicare & Medicaid are the largest purchasers
of medical services.

- Pharmaceutical companies are regulated by government.

By government or by government control - that's the difference
between Communism and Socialism. A distinction without
a difference.

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because
it is a merger of State and corporate power."
- Benito Mussolini

"If classical liberalism spells individualism, Fascism spells
government."
- Mussolini, 1923, "The Doctrine of Fascism"
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"The great masses' receptive ability is only very limited, their understanding
is small, but their forgetfullness is great. As a consequence
of these facts, all effective propagana has to limit itself only to a
very few points and use them like slogans until even the very last man
is able to imagine what is intended by such a word.

Adolph Hitler
Mein Kampf

"We have constituted a Corporative and Fascist state

Peter Franks wrote:
Peter Franks wrote:
Informal Poll:

In your opinion, what is the opposite of Socialism?

I'll posit an answer to my own question:

The opposite of Socialism is Freedom.


And liberty.

Socialism requires power sharing equally



It figures that the resident Socialist would object.

Peter Franks wrote:
Peter Franks wrote:
Informal Poll:

In your opinion, what is the opposite of Socialism?

I'll posit an answer to my own question:

The opposite of Socialism is Freedom.


And liberty.

Strabo wrote:
Peter Franks wrote:
Peter Franks wrote:
Informal Poll:

In your opinion, what is the opposite of Socialism?

I'll posit an answer to my own question:

The opposite of Socialism is Freedom.


And liberty.

Interesting. I don't disagree w/ your answer, but what do you consider
to be the differences between 'freedom' and 'liberty'?

My thought is that 'freedom' is the state (or condition) and 'liberty'
is the right.

Peter Franks wrote:
Strabo wrote:
Peter Franks wrote:
Peter Franks wrote:
Informal Poll:

In your opinion, what is the opposite of Socialism?

I'll posit an answer to my own question:

The opposite of Socialism is Freedom.


And liberty.

Interesting. I don't disagree w/ your answer, but what do you
consider to be the differences between 'freedom' and 'liberty'?

My thought is that 'freedom' is the state (or condition) and 'liberty'
is the right.


Kind of. Liberty can be conditional whereas freedom is unconditional.

Modern dictionaries tend to cite the two as having the same definition,
but liberty does come from Old French with a legal connotation as in -
the absence of external (governmental) restraint.

This shorthand is found in the Declaration. When Jefferson said "life,
liberty and the pursuit of happiness", he is associating liberty with
unalienable rights. But when associated with legal jurisdiction,
liberty becomes a condition. Here's how.

To be 'at liberty' is to experience less restraint while remaining under
some type of control. For example, when a sailor is 'on liberty' or on a
'liberty leave', liberty refers to a 'lessening' of duties and
restraint, a conditional freedom, while remaining under military
jurisdiction.

Whereas, if the sailor were truly 'free' he would be under *no*
restraint or jurisdiction whatsoever.

So, I'm thinking that matters concerning the Constitution are more at
ease with 'liberty' as opposed to 'freedom'.

Here's another one.

As an individual you can operate a vehicle on your property without a
government license, without restraint. You are *free* to do as you like.

However, as an individual you may drive on public roads so long as you
have a license. You are *at liberty* to do as you please *only* within
the guidelines established by law. Thus driving is converted from a
right to a privilege.

Gotta watch those lawyers and watch the use of these terms. You'll never
see the ACLU back unalienable rights. Instead the ACLU only defends
'civil rights'.

So I differentiate between 'civil rights' and 'inherent' or
'unalienable' rights, 'person', and 'individual' and others.


Incidentally, for established words I don't rely on any dictionary
written after 1970.