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rocket scientist...
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:28 pm
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Noam Chomsky is the closest thing in the English-speaking world to an
intellectual superstar. A philosopher of language and political
campaigner of towering academic reputation, who as good as invented
modern linguistics, he is entertained by presidents, addresses the UN
general assembly and commands a mass international audience. When he
spoke in London last week, thousands of young people battled for tickets
to attend his lectures, followed live on the internet across the globe,
as the 80-year-old American linguist fielded questions from as far away
as besieged Gaza.

But the bulk of the mainstream western media doesn't seem to have
noticed. His books sell in their hundreds of thousands, he is mobbed by
students as a celebrity, but he is rarely reported or interviewed in the
US outside radical journals and websites. The explanation, of course,
isn't hard to find. Chomsky is America's most prominent critic of the US
imperial role in the world, which he has used his erudition and standing
to expose and excoriate since Vietnam.

Like the English philosopher Bertrand Russell, who spoke out against
western-backed wars until his death at the age of 97, Chomsky has lent
his academic prestige to a relentless campaign against his own country's
barbarities abroad ­ though in contrast to the aristocratic Russell,
Chomsky is the child of working class Jewish refugees from Tsarist
pogroms. Not surprisingly, he has been repaid with either denunciation
or, far more typically, silence. Whereas a much slighter figure such as
the Atlanticist French philosopher Bernard Henri-Lévy is lionised at
home and abroad, Chomsky and his genuine popularity are ignored.

Indeed, his books have been banned from the US prison library in
Guantánamo. You'd hardly need a clearer example of his model of how
dissenting views are filtered out of the western media, set out in his
1990's book Manufacturing Consent, than his own case. But as Chomsky is
the first to point out, the marginalisation of opponents of western
state policy is as nothing compared to the brutalities suffered by those
who challenge states backed by the US and its allies in the Middle East.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/07/noam-chomsky-us-foreign-polic
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Dänk 1010011010...
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:40 pm
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On Nov 6, 5:28 pm, rocket scientist <georgesp... at (no spam) toast.net> wrote:
Quote:
Noam Chomsky is the closest thing in the English-speaking world to an
intellectual superstar. A philosopher of language and political
campaigner of towering academic reputation, who as good as invented
modern linguistics, he is entertained by presidents, addresses the UN
general assembly and commands a mass international audience. When he
spoke in London last week, thousands of young people battled for tickets
to attend his lectures, followed live on the internet across the globe,
as the 80-year-old American linguist fielded questions from as far away
as besieged Gaza.

But the bulk of the mainstream western media doesn't seem to have
noticed. His books sell in their hundreds of thousands, he is mobbed by
students as a celebrity, but he is rarely reported or interviewed in the
US outside radical journals and websites. The explanation, of course,
isn't hard to find. Chomsky is America's most prominent critic of the US
imperial role in the world, which he has used his erudition and standing
to expose and excoriate since Vietnam.

I'll admit I know nothing about Chomsky's ideas, but Hugo Chávez seems
to adore him, suggesting he is a crackpot. Chomsky is often portrayed
as a libertarian intellectual, but his biggest fans seem to be on the
radical left.
 
robert bowman...
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:09 pm
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Dänk 1010011010 wrote:

Quote:
I'll admit I know nothing about Chomsky's ideas, but Hugo Chávez seems
to adore him, suggesting he is a crackpot.  Chomsky is often portrayed
as a libertarian intellectual, but his biggest fans seem to be on the
radical left.

Chomsky's biggest problem is he is a Jew that thinks Palestinians might be
members of the human race. You just can't do that as our fearless Congress'
condemnation of the Goldstone report shows. That's made him a target for
Horowitz, Dershowitz, Cohn, and others.

He also is critical of empire building, empowering every tinpot dictator in
the world under the guise of supporting democracy, censorship, war in
general, and unchecked capitalism. He sees libertarian socialism as the
logical extension of classical liberalism.

In many areas, he and Pat Buchanan might get along very well together.
 
Dänk 1010011010...
Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:24 am
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On Nov 12, 8:09 pm, robert bowman <bow... at (no spam) montana.com> wrote:
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Dänk 1010011010 wrote:
I'll admit I know nothing about Chomsky's ideas, but Hugo Chávez seems
to adore him, suggesting he is a crackpot.  Chomsky is often portrayed
as a libertarian intellectual, but his biggest fans seem to be on the
radical left.

Chomsky's biggest problem is he is a Jew that thinks Palestinians might be
members of the human race. You just can't do that as our fearless Congress'
condemnation of the Goldstone report shows. That's made him a target for
Horowitz, Dershowitz, Cohn, and others.

He also is critical of empire building, empowering every tinpot dictator in
the world under the guise of supporting democracy, censorship, war in
general, and unchecked capitalism. He sees libertarian socialism as the
logical extension of classical liberalism.

I had heard the term "libertarian socialism" before, but didn't bother
to investigate it since I've always believed socialism to be
completely incompatible with liberty, and the idea suggested a form of
permissive socialism that differs from the authoritarian socialism of
the past. But permissiveness is not the same as freedom.

But as I research the idea further, I see it seems to offer MORE
liberty than traditional libertarianism. Traditional libertarianism
opposes the power of the government, while promoting an absolute "free
market" system that allows for giant corporations to dominate the
world and enslave people.

In fact, it is this seeming defense of corporatism that drove me away
from the libertarians in recent year, and I have cast my votes for
Ralph Nader, Greens, and other leftists who spoke out against
corporatism.

"Libertarian Socialism" seems to differ from Socialism in that it
opposes the power of government AND the power of corporations and all
other large institutions that control people's lives. Unfortunately,
the idea resembles theoretical communism and anarchism which rely on
"grassroots" people's movements to challenge the institutions of
power, which I do not believe is possible. People are sheep, and
always follow a charismatic leader who then dominates the movement and
uses it to advance his own personal power.



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In many areas, he and Pat Buchanan might get along very well together.

Pat Buchanan is an independent conservative who usually supports the
Republican party. Now that the Republican party is dead, the
rightarded neocons have begun abandoning it like a sinking ship,
infesting the Libertarian party and corrupting its noble ideology with
their rightardedness. Even the rightarded cult leader Glenn Beck
pretends to be a libertarian, rallying his disciples behind the usual
neocon idols of god and country.

I guess my point is that the Libertarian party is doomed, since its
ideology too closely resembles that of the Republican neocons.
Liberty should stand for more than just waving a Chinese-made American
flag and singing praises of the virtues of global corporate
domination.
 
robert bowman...
Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:35 pm
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Dänk 1010011010 wrote:

Quote:
In fact, it is this seeming defense of corporatism that drove me away
from the libertarians in recent year, and I have cast my votes for
Ralph Nader, Greens, and other leftists who spoke out against
corporatism.

'Corporatism' is another one of those words that has too many meanings. In
one form it goes back to the Catholic social doctrine expressed in the
Rerum Novarum encyclical in 1890 and which grew into movements like
Distributism. As G.K. Chesterton said "The problem with capitalism is that
there are not enough capitalists." Some of the other offshoots were less
savory, like Fascism.

The current meaning, instead of using 'corpus', body, as an analogy for
society just means business corporations. It's a handy label for the
supporters of the free market and unchecked capitalism: "That's not
capitalism, that's corporatism!"

Capital L libertarians have a idealistic and optimistic view of an Utopia
where capitalism remains a gentle little house pet and doesn't morph into a
gorilla that runs things like it damn well pleases.


Quote:
"Libertarian Socialism" seems to differ from Socialism in that it
opposes the power of government AND the power of corporations and all
other large institutions that control people's lives.  Unfortunately,
the idea resembles theoretical communism and anarchism which rely on
"grassroots" people's movements to challenge the institutions of
power, which I do not believe is possible.

Left libertarian thought often is a polite way to say 'anarchism.' It. too.
is idealistic and doesn't account for humans being all too human, much like
the right wing flavor.

You can sum up libertarian history in the War of the Murrays, Rothbard and
Bookchin.
 
Strabo...
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:23 pm
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robert bowman wrote:
Quote:
Dänk 1010011010 wrote:

In fact, it is this seeming defense of corporatism that drove me away
from the libertarians in recent year, and I have cast my votes for
Ralph Nader, Greens, and other leftists who spoke out against
corporatism.

'Corporatism' is another one of those words that has too many meanings. In
one form it goes back to the Catholic social doctrine expressed in the
Rerum Novarum encyclical in 1890 and which grew into movements like
Distributism. As G.K. Chesterton said "The problem with capitalism is that
there are not enough capitalists." Some of the other offshoots were less
savory, like Fascism.

The current meaning, instead of using 'corpus', body, as an analogy for
society just means business corporations. It's a handy label for the
supporters of the free market and unchecked capitalism: "That's not
capitalism, that's corporatism!"


"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because
it is a merger of State and corporate power."
- Benito Mussolini

"If classical liberalism spells individualism, Fascism spells
government."
- Mussolini, 1923, "The Doctrine of Fascism"


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Capital L libertarians have a idealistic and optimistic view of an Utopia
where capitalism remains a gentle little house pet and doesn't morph into a
gorilla that runs things like it damn well pleases.


There's confusion because libertarianism is more personal creed than
ideology.


Quote:

"Libertarian Socialism" seems to differ from Socialism in that it
opposes the power of government AND the power of corporations and all
other large institutions that control people's lives. Â Unfortunately,
the idea resembles theoretical communism and anarchism which rely on
"grassroots" people's movements to challenge the institutions of
power, which I do not believe is possible.

Left libertarian thought often is a polite way to say 'anarchism.' It. too.
is idealistic and doesn't account for humans being all too human, much like
the right wing flavor.

You can sum up libertarian history in the War of the Murrays, Rothbard and
Bookchin.


corporatism
–noun
the principles, doctrine, or system of corporative organization of a
political unit, as a city or state.


"We have constituted a Corporative and Fascist state, the state of
national society, a State which concentrates, controls, harmonizes and
tempers the interests of all social classes, which are thereby
protected in equal measure. Whereas, during the years of demo-liberal
regime, labour looked with diffidence upon the state, was, in fact,
outside the State and against the state, and considered the state an
enemy of every day and every hour, there is not one working Italian
today who does not seek a place in his Corporation or federation, who
does not wish to be a living atom of that great, immense, living
organization which is the national Corporate State of Fascism."


"We have created the united state of Italy. Remember that since
the Empire Italy had not been a united state. Here I wish to reaffirm
solemnly our doctrine of the State. Here I wish to reaffirm with no
weaker energy, the formula I expounded at the scala in Milan
everything in the state, nothing against the State, nothing outside
the state."
- Benito Mussolini, speech before the Chamber of Deputies, May 26,
1927, Discorsi del 1927, Milano, Alpes, 1928, p. t57
 
 
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