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| srd... |
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A simple slogan—Hands off al-Qaeda—but no takers.
Defending terrorist acts against civilian targets is unorthodox, but
defending the organizations committing those acts when they are also
engaged in fighting imperialism conventionally—that's abc. You could
agree to "hands off al Qaeda" *without* agreeing on the defensibility
of 9/11.
Flinch is understatement.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:58 pm |
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The Spart League is put off on defending al Qaeda because al Qaeda was
on the other side of the class war in Afghanistan. (vngelis uses a
similar argument, although insincerely — the CIA connection. [vngelis,
however, was on al Qaeda's side in the Soviet's war in Afghanistan!
The irony.])
[The Spart League, by the way, was correct to side with the Soviets
militarily; its a simple matter of Soviet defensism. They took it
further in assuming political responsibility for the invasion,
invoking an exception to the classical Trotskyist attitude toward
Stalinist incursions. They developed this exception to retro-
politically-support (not just defend) the Chinese when they invaded
Tibet.]
This circumstance is a supreme test of principle: supporting a just
war against imperialism even by forces separated from the proletariat
by a line of blood.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:04 pm |
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On Nov 1, 7:12 pm, "irongron" <irong... at (no spam) virginbroadband.com.au> wrote:
Quote: Your enemys enemy is your friend, GO THE JIHADISTS!
Too late for escape; your mind's already apparently rotted through and
through from an excess of socialization with mindless Australian
rednecks.
Maybe try to be a bit thoughtful instead of ultra-clever.
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| irongron... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:12 pm |
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Your enemys enemy is your friend, GO THE JIHADISTS!
"srd" <srdiamond at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Oct 31, 7:55pm, srd <srdiam... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Defeating the international bourgeoisie in its "war on terror"
addresses a range of issues, from driving the imperialists from Iraq
and Afghanistan to defense of national-liberationist terrorists to
repealing reactionary laws passed to enable the purportedly anti-
terrorist effort, such as the Patriot Act in the U.S. One would think
that the left in the U.S. would have made the struggle against the
Patriot Act bread and butter political activity, so as to create a
constant din in the ideological atmosphere attacking it. This hasn't
been true, as Obama could renew it without anyone hardly batting an
eye. Apart from the political significance of the legislation, it
creates tremendous burdens for ordinary people going about their
lives, investing the smallest transactions with significance
warranting state surveillance and interference. The Patriot Act is a
gigantic pain in the ass, and the left should be shoving it up the
bourgeoisie's ass.
But it's impossible to seriously take on the Patriot when you fail to
condemn its stated goals on principle. That's why there's been so
little serious struggle around it.
srd
There's an obvious counter-argument I've been waiting for someone to
make, but I'm lacking in the virtue of patience. The objection: How do
you propose to organize workers around the prospect welcoming their
own exposure to deadly force? Isn't such a program the most blatant
idealism, really a variety of ultramoralism, in that it demands
workers repudiate their own material interests?
Defense of national-liberationist terrorists attacking civilian
imperialist targets is made practicable by the functional relationship
between the occurrence of terrorist attacks on civilians and the
extent of American political backwardness. Islamic anti-Yankee
fanaticism will founder, will become an absurdity, on the strides of a
militantly anti-imperialist 1st World working class. Here the
dialectic is that the best "defense" (against just terrorism) is the
abandonment of defense.
srd
liberal moralism no, peasant mysticism never! |
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| srd... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:13 pm |
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A don't misspell what you defend!
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:20 pm |
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On Nov 5, 11:00 pm, "irongron" <irong... at (no spam) virginbroadband.com.au>
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Quote: yes, I'll spend the rest of my life protectin the sensibilities of people
like you. Sorry that I don't subscribe to your fake ass world of saccharin
excess, where everything is so sweet and perfect.
Has nothing to do with sweetness. Do you find that jihadist attacks
have actually advanced the cause of socialist revolution? That's the
question, unless you want to go down the vngelis road and support some
_alternative_ to proletarian revolution. In other words, moron, its a
question of the basic Leninist position against terrorism (as being
inexpedient).
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| irongron... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:00 am |
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yes, I'll spend the rest of my life protectin the sensibilities of people
like you. Sorry that I don't subscribe to your fake ass world of saccharin
excess, where everything is so sweet and perfect. Fact of the matter is,
when the jihadists strike, I smile "FUCKED EM OVER AGAIN, GOT WHAT THEY
DESERVED. DIE MOTHERFUCKING CAPITALIST SCUM" >:)
"srd" <srdiamond at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ba442d33-cfc3-4013-b5a9-ae12e9b3a746 at (no spam) 13g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 1, 7:12pm, "irongron" <irong... at (no spam) virginbroadband.com.au> wrote:
Quote: Your enemys enemy is your friend, GO THE JIHADISTS!
Too late for escape; your mind's already apparently rotted through and
through from an excess of socialization with mindless Australian
rednecks.
Maybe try to be a bit thoughtful instead of ultra-clever.
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| irongron... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:36 am |
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No they haven't advanced the cause of socialist revolution...it just makes
me happy when ignorant, consumerist, capitalist scum dies...I sponsor a kid
in North Vietnam, his name is Ly Phu Thuoc, all he wanted last christmas was
a ball...NOTHING ELSE, just a ball, unlike the shit spoilt brat kids of the
consumerist capitalist scum who have a playstation 3, DVD and Flat Panel TV
in each of their bedrooms. If we all lived like that we'd need SEVEN, YES 7
planet Earths to sustain us...so...when the consumerist scum dies, I
DANCE!!!! And I don't care who killed them as long as they fucking die....
"srd" <srdiamond at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:37b67bdd-f63e-407a-b23e-3eaaf1a47cc6 at (no spam) i12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 5, 11:00pm, "irongron" <irong... at (no spam) virginbroadband.com.au>
wrote:
Quote: yes, I'll spend the rest of my life protectin the sensibilities of people
like you. Sorry that I don't subscribe to your fake ass world of saccharin
excess, where everything is so sweet and perfect.
Has nothing to do with sweetness. Do you find that jihadist attacks
have actually advanced the cause of socialist revolution? That's the
question, unless you want to go down the vngelis road and support some
_alternative_ to proletarian revolution. In other words, moron, its a
question of the basic Leninist position against terrorism (as being
inexpedient).
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| irongron... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:39 am |
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oh and another thing you dumb fuck, if you knew your marxist-leninist
history, which you dont, then you would know that Lenin not only espoused
the use of terrorist attacks to facilitate the ex's (expropriations) but he
also condoned the use of criminal elements to further the bolshevik cause.
So go back to your books and get a clue you fucking shit talking fake ass
little pseudo-communist
"irongron" <irongron at (no spam) virginbroadband.com.au> wrote in message
news:HlQIm.52553$ze1.30231 at (no spam) news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Quote: No they haven't advanced the cause of socialist revolution...it just makes
me happy when ignorant, consumerist, capitalist scum dies...I sponsor a
kid
in North Vietnam, his name is Ly Phu Thuoc, all he wanted last christmas
was
a ball...NOTHING ELSE, just a ball, unlike the shit spoilt brat kids of
the
consumerist capitalist scum who have a playstation 3, DVD and Flat Panel
TV
in each of their bedrooms. If we all lived like that we'd need SEVEN, YES
7
planet Earths to sustain us...so...when the consumerist scum dies, I
DANCE!!!! And I don't care who killed them as long as they fucking die....
"srd" <srdiamond at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:37b67bdd-f63e-407a-b23e-3eaaf1a47cc6 at (no spam) i12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 5, 11:00pm, "irongron" <irong... at (no spam) virginbroadband.com.au
wrote:
yes, I'll spend the rest of my life protectin the sensibilities of
people
like you. Sorry that I don't subscribe to your fake ass world of
saccharin
excess, where everything is so sweet and perfect.
Has nothing to do with sweetness. Do you find that jihadist attacks
have actually advanced the cause of socialist revolution? That's the
question, unless you want to go down the vngelis road and support some
_alternative_ to proletarian revolution. In other words, moron, its a
question of the basic Leninist position against terrorism (as being
inexpedient).
srd
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