VoiceOfReason <papa_fox at (no spam) cybertown.com> wrote:
On Nov 3, 7:14 pm, Dionisio <moc.rr.thgi... at (no spam) 5ellimd.com> wrote:
VoiceOfReason wrote:
Evolution is a fact.
Minor quibble: It is a theory that has a lot going for it.
Actually it's both a fact and a theory. There is directly-observed
evolution (fact) that we study to try to understand and describe the
mechanisms (theory).

The sense in which the nutjobs (like Dionisio) mean what they say (even
though they are saying it wrong) is that *human* evolution is not quite
provable.

BE-VA <blackwater-evangelist at (no spam) testland.org> wrote:
On 2009-11-03 06:45:39 -0500, VoiceOfReason <papa_fox at (no spam) cybertown.com> said:
Curiously, there is a higher percentage of teen pregnancies in the
Bible Belt than in the rest of the country.
You fail to note that the reason for that is the primary ethnicity of
the population of that area. Try to be fair and balanced with your
posts, boy.

Please explain.

Very few things outside of math are "proven."

Theories that describe
the mechanisms of evolution will always be updated as new studies come
in and our understanding grows.

However, it is a fact that species including humans evolved from
previous species.

In article <fad23200-e206-4ec0-aeaa-72ec765af... at (no spam) u20g2000vbq.googlegroups..com>,VoiceOfReason  <papa_... at (no spam) cybertown.com> wrote:

...

Very few things outside of math are "proven."

True.

Theories that describe
the mechanisms of evolution will always be updated as new studies come
in and our understanding grows.

However, it is a fact that species including humans evolved from
previous species.

Well, as I noted earlier, I think Dino's points are:

    1) You can say it is proven and a fact for fruit flies and bacteria,
        but you can't make those claims about human evolution.
    2) Human evolution is the only thing that matters, in terms of my
        personal relationship (cough, cough) with the Creator of the
        universe.

Bill Shuler  

Moral outrage is the intersection of morality and deep seated
convictions. As Americans our decision to speak out or remain silent,
act with conviction or step back, will create the world our children
will inherit.

Were it not for moral outrage America would be under British rule

and
the Emancipation Proclamation would never have been penned.

Moral
outrage, by its very definition, is the intersection of morality and
deep seated convictions. The following are 10 reasons for moral outrage:

1. Our forefathers acknowledged our creator God in the Declaration of
Independence, but we are forbidden to acknowledge him in our public
schools.

2.Our entertainment industry glamorizes sexuality yet is held
unaccountable despite the rising rate of out-of-wedlock teenage
pregnancies.

3. Moral relativism continues to reign in our public schools even though
a nation reaps the results of such relativism with unprecedented greed
on Wall Street.

4. 39.8 million people live below the poverty line in America -- over
14.1 million of them are children -- yet close to 100 billion pounds of
food is wasted each year.

5. There have been over 50 million abortions since Roe vs. Wade became
the law of the land with the vast majority being for no other reason
than simple birth control.

6. Darwinism is taught as fact while Creationism is excluded from the
American classroom.

7. More Christians were killed for their faith in the 20th century than
in the entire history of Christianity.

8. A cross erected in 1934, at a WWI memorial site in the Mojave Desert,
is currently at the center of a debate over whether or not its presence
violates the Constitution.

9. The Ten Commandments have been taken from our court houses.

10. The community of faith is, in large measure, quiet and complacent.

Dionisio wrote:
We can -- and have -- guided it. We've seen it in action via unintended consequences in
the "wild," and the study of mutation and what causes it lends it credence. All nice
suggestions that it is valid. Proof is more than the sum of some good things seeming to
support one another. Proof is rigorous and incontrovertible.

Very few things outside of math are "proven." Theories that describe
the mechanisms of evolution will always be updated as new studies come
in and our understanding grows.

Well, as I noted earlier, I think Dino's points are:

1) You can say it is proven and a fact for fruit flies and bacteria,
but you can't make those claims about human evolution.

2) Human evolution is the only thing that matters, in terms of my
personal relationship (cough, cough) with the Creator of the
universe.

I don't know which group he post from, but for Catholics it's a non-
issue. The RCC accepted the fact of evolution long ago, and teaches
evolution (including man's) in its school and universities.

VoiceOfReason wrote:
Dionisio wrote:
We can -- and have -- guided it. We've seen it in action via unintended consequences in
the "wild," and the study of mutation and what causes it lends it credence. All nice
suggestions that it is valid. Proof is more than the sum of some good things seeming to
support one another. Proof is rigorous and incontrovertible.

Very few things outside of math are "proven." Theories that describe
the mechanisms of evolution will always be updated as new studies come
in and our understanding grows.

Well, we're going to have to agree to have differing opinions as to what "fact" is. I,
personally think it's right. However, I also work in a school, and have a background in
electronics; So, my definition of what makes up a "fact" is a bit anal retentive.

(For instance, unless there's an astonishing breakthrough in a science that hasn't been
invented yet, the Theory of Electron Flow will remain just that. Proving it would mean
having to violate the principles of Quantum Mechanics, at least as they are presently
understood.)

Gravity? Law. (The method of it's imparture, speculated. But we can prove it's there.)
Fermat's Last Theorem? Proven. Dark Matter/Energy? Questionable. What makes your CPU do
what it does? Unprovable. (Doesn't mean it doesn't work very well, and in accordance to
what we think we know as to why that is so; It just can't be called "fact" yet.)

See what I mean?

On 2009-11-03 06:45:39 -0500, VoiceOfReason <papa_... at (no spam) cybertown.com> said:

Curiously, there is a higher percentage of teen pregnancies in the
Bible Belt than in the rest of the country.

You fail to note that the reason for that is the primary ethnicity of
the population of that area. Try to be fair and balanced with your
posts, boy.

        personal relationship (cough, cough) with the Creator of the
        universe.

Kenny McCormack wrote:
BE-VA <blackwater-evangelist at (no spam) testland.org> wrote:
On 2009-11-03 06:45:39 -0500, VoiceOfReason <papa_fox at (no spam) cybertown.com> sa
id:
Curiously, there is a higher percentage of teen pregnancies in the
Bible Belt than in the rest of the country.
You fail to note that the reason for that is the primary ethnicity of
the population of that area. Try to be fair and balanced with your
posts, boy.

Please explain.

I think he means that ethnic Christians are commanded to breed like
bunni es, and that all that sex shouldn't be held against them.

BTW - WTF is a bunni es?

BE-VA wrote:
BTW - WTF is a bunni es?

'Tis a rare and seldom seen creature, Typis Mistakus in Latin. It is related to Dustus
Nixilla, and preyed upon by Grammiticus Exactus.