On Nov 2, 8:38 pm, MACK DADDY <pepsivani... at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:





On Nov 2, 9:36 am, The_Carpathia <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

On Nov 2, 12:31 pm, "PC" <P... at (no spam) minneapolis.mn.us> wrote:

"The_Carpathia" <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message

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So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just posted
a BILLION in profits,

Ino ther words: Ford did not need it.

 while the bailed out car companies ended in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.

In other words: the others needed it.

Convenient amnesia....that's what you have.  I recall Ford execs going
before Congress that were demanding they take the money, and the
refused the money in Congressional hearings.  I recall their dire
financial condition dropping their stock, just like the others.
However, I recall Ford taking out credit from banks, rather than the
government...banks that didn't, then, demand changes that would sink
their company.  However, anything that works against your side is just
forgotten...like the million broken promises of Obama.

Kenneth W Clifton

How conveniently you forget that Ford took out some loans for alot of
money a couple  years ago before the economy went so bad.  They didn't
invest as much in developing modern electric and hybrid cars as GM.

   Because they knew it was a dead end. They continue to build cars
people want.

So while Ford may look better right now, It is GM that will have a
brighter future because they are building cars for the future.  Even
today GM is building more cars I like.- Hide quoted text -

   Gubmint Motors will NEVER survive without taxpayer support if they
insist on building crap nobody wants.



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On Nov 2, 1:57 pm, Stile4aly <stile4... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

On Nov 2, 10:08 am, Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
So, YOU are saying Congress OFFERED bailout money to a company that
didn't need it?
--
What I'm saying is that Ford, like the other American automakers, was
in trouble.  They were offered bailout money.  Because they were in a
better position than GM or Chrysler, they were able to go without it.

Exactly correct, Stile.

It should also be noted that because Ford did not take the bail-out
money, they are also now about *21 billion dollars* in debt now. Chevy
and GM are not.

In addition, the vast majority of Ford workers just rejected a deal to
NOT strike in 2011. when there current contract ends.  Both Chevy and
GM are protect from such a strike by their workers, having gone
through bankruptcy.

Ford might be making money *now*, but given their huge debt and the
possibility of a workers' strike, they are hardly in any great
financially stable position for the near future.

 -Tom Sr.

On Nov 2, 8:38 pm, MACK DADDY <pepsivani... at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:





On Nov 2, 9:36 am, The_Carpathia <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

On Nov 2, 12:31 pm, "PC" <P... at (no spam) minneapolis.mn.us> wrote:

"The_Carpathia" <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1d39938c-1b92-439a-99e1-1180c8c854da at (no spam) k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...

So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just posted
a BILLION in profits,

Ino ther words: Ford did not need it.

 while the bailed out car companies ended in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.

In other words: the others needed it.

Convenient amnesia....that's what you have.  I recall Ford execs going
before Congress that were demanding they take the money, and the
refused the money in Congressional hearings.  I recall their dire
financial condition dropping their stock, just like the others.
However, I recall Ford taking out credit from banks, rather than the
government...banks that didn't, then, demand changes that would sink
their company.  However, anything that works against your side is just
forgotten...like the million broken promises of Obama.

Kenneth W Clifton

How conveniently you forget that Ford took out some loans for alot of
money a couple  years ago before the economy went so bad.  They didn't
invest as much in developing modern electric and hybrid cars as GM.
So while Ford may look better right now, It is GM that will have a
brighter future because they are building cars for the future.  Even
today GM is building more cars I like.

Are you fucking stupid or something? Where are you gonna get the power
to run electric cars?

Who you gonna steal money from today?- Hide quoted text -

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On Nov 2, 2:29 pm, "Sid9" <s... at (no spam) belsouth.net> wrote:
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kand... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in
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On Nov 2, 12:44 pm, "Tom Sr." <tomswiftsen... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 12:23 pm, The_Carpathia <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just
posted
a BILLION in profits, while the bailed out car companies ended
in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.
Which path do you want the country to take...capitalist,
refusing
govt
aid, leading to a profit...or govt run, leading to economic
collapse
and loss?
BUY  FORD!  Help support equal rights for gay and transgendered
people!
-----http://www.hrc.org/13518.htm
* Number of Top Rated Businesses for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual,
and Transgender Workers Jumps Despite Tough Economy *
9/14/2009
WASHINGTON, D.C. –The number of businesses with perfect ratings
based
on  lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender workplace policies
and
benefits rose by twenty percent in the past twelve months —
despite
the serious economic downturn — according to a new report
released
today by the Human Rights Campaign Foundation, the nation’s
largest
lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender civil rights
organization.
The
2010 edition of the Corporate Equality Index, which rates 590
businesses on a scale from 0 to 100 percent, reports 305
businesses
achieved top ratings, compared to 260 last year. To view the
report
visit:www.HRC.org/CEI...
Ford Motor Company:
 * Fortune 500 Rank - 7
 * Corporate Equality Index - 100%
-----
More details about Ford Motor Company's GLBT Equality Policies
can
be
read at::
http://www.hrc.org/issues/workplace/organization_profile.asp?organiza...
  -Tom Sr.
You mean it's possible to have politically correct Wall Street
company
management without government controls?
Kenneth W Clifton
.
.
.
Kenny forgot the incompetent GM management that cost its
stockholders
billions....then to the government that saved the remnants of their
mismanaged company.
Sid, the obamarama ding dong road show of comedy and horrors forced
GM
to fuck over millions of Americans and proved that the "Fruit of the
Loon" president is a facist!

GM and Chrysler are permanent wards of the State. After fucking over
millions of investors, neither will be able to float commerical
paper
again. Hence the reason they have gone back to the Government for
MORE
money.

Kenny forgot the incompetent GM management that cost its
stockholders
So you are saying the "messiah" is fucked up with his management of
GM? since they are still losing $billions?

Sid, who you gonna steal money from today?
.
.
GM's managers were incompetent.

That wasn't what you said when they made money and paid billions in TAXES..

They mismanaged these companies for years.
The government had little to do with their actions.

The Government and the Unions were taking their profits that they could
have used the past few years.

Toyota ate them up and they did nothing except produce shit cars.

Union  Built.....

Buy a shitty Union made car.- Hide quoted text -

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On Nov 3, 10:22 am, "Sid9" <s... at (no spam) belsouth.net> wrote:





"President Soetoro" <osama.obabma.by.anyn... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in
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On Nov 2, 2:29 pm, "Sid9" <s... at (no spam) belsouth.net> wrote:
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kand... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in
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On Nov 2, 12:44 pm, "Tom Sr." <tomswiftsen... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 12:23 pm, The_Carpathia <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just
posted
a BILLION in profits, while the bailed out car companies ended
in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.
Which path do you want the country to take...capitalist,
refusing
govt
aid, leading to a profit...or govt run, leading to economic
collapse
and loss?

BUY  FORD!  Help support equal rights for gay and transgendered
people!

-----http://www.hrc.org/13518.htm

* Number of Top Rated Businesses for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual,
and Transgender Workers Jumps Despite Tough Economy *
9/14/2009

WASHINGTON, D.C. –The number of businesses with perfect ratings
based
on  lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender workplace policies
and
benefits rose by twenty percent in the past twelve months —
despite
the serious economic downturn — according to a new report
released
today by the Human Rights Campaign Foundation, the nation’s
largest
lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender civil rights
organization.
The
2010 edition of the Corporate Equality Index, which rates 590
businesses on a scale from 0 to 100 percent, reports 305
businesses
achieved top ratings, compared to 260 last year. To view the
report
visit:www.HRC.org/CEI...

Ford Motor Company:
 * Fortune 500 Rank - 7
 * Corporate Equality Index - 100%
-----

More details about Ford Motor Company's GLBT Equality Policies
can
be
read at::

http://www.hrc.org/issues/workplace/organization_profile.asp?organiza...

  -Tom Sr.

You mean it's possible to have politically correct Wall Street
company
management without government controls?

Kenneth W Clifton

.
.
.
Kenny forgot the incompetent GM management that cost its
stockholders
billions....then to the government that saved the remnants of their
mismanaged company.

Sid, the obamarama ding dong road show of comedy and horrors forced
GM
to fuck over millions of Americans and proved that the "Fruit of the
Loon" president is a facist!

GM and Chrysler are permanent wards of the State. After fucking over
millions of investors, neither will be able to float commerical
paper
again. Hence the reason they have gone back to the Government for
MORE
money.

Kenny forgot the incompetent GM management that cost its
stockholders

So you are saying the "messiah" is fucked up with his management of
GM? since they are still losing $billions?

Sid, who you gonna steal money from today?

.
.
GM's managers were incompetent.
They mismanaged these companies for years.
The government had little to do with their actions.
Toyota ate them up and they did nothing except produce shit cars.

Since the "competent" "fruit of the loon" president is running these
companies, why do they continue to return to the pubic trough? Since
the "messiah" fired the CEO of a private company, does that make him a
facist?

The "messiah" picked and chose who got fucked over in the bankruptcy.
Did the shareholders? yep. Did the creditors? yep. Did the Republicans
who owned dealerships? yep. Did the people who had won lawsuits
against GM and Chrysler? yep.

Did the unions? nope.

In ANY normal bankruptcy, the creditors would've wound up owning GM
and Chrysler, but not in this case... The "messiah" had already
determined who the new owners would be... the Government and the
Union.

When has ANY U.S. President EVER fired the head of a private company?- Hide quoted text -

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On Nov 3, 9:25 am, Beam Me Up Scotty
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On Nov 2, 2:29 pm, "Sid9" <s... at (no spam) belsouth.net> wrote:
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kand... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in
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On Nov 2, 12:44 pm, "Tom Sr." <tomswiftsen... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:
On Nov 2, 12:23 pm, The_Carpathia <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com
wrote:
So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money,
just
posted
a BILLION in profits, while the bailed out car companies
ended
in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.
Which path do you want the country to take...capitalist,
refusing
govt
aid, leading to a profit...or govt run, leading to economic
collapse
and loss?
BUY FORD! Help support equal rights for gay and
transgendered
people!
-----http://www.hrc.org/13518.htm
* Number of Top Rated Businesses for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual,
and Transgender Workers Jumps Despite Tough Economy *
9/14/2009
WASHINGTON, D.C. –The number of businesses with perfect
ratings
based
on lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender workplace policies
and
benefits rose by twenty percent in the past twelve months —
despite
the serious economic downturn — according to a new report
released
today by the Human Rights Campaign Foundation, the nation’s
largest
lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender civil rights
organization.
The
2010 edition of the Corporate Equality Index, which rates 590
businesses on a scale from 0 to 100 percent, reports 305
businesses
achieved top ratings, compared to 260 last year. To view the
report
visit:www.HRC.org/CEI...
Ford Motor Company:
* Fortune 500 Rank - 7
* Corporate Equality Index - 100%
-----
More details about Ford Motor Company's GLBT Equality
Policies
can
be
read at::
http://www.hrc.org/issues/workplace/organization_profile.asp?organiza...
-Tom Sr.
You mean it's possible to have politically correct Wall Street
company
management without government controls?
Kenneth W Clifton
.
.
.
Kenny forgot the incompetent GM management that cost its
stockholders
billions....then to the government that saved the remnants of
their
mismanaged company.
Sid, the obamarama ding dong road show of comedy and horrors
forced
GM
to fuck over millions of Americans and proved that the "Fruit of
the
Loon" president is a facist!

GM and Chrysler are permanent wards of the State. After fucking
over
millions of investors, neither will be able to float commerical
paper
again. Hence the reason they have gone back to the Government
for
MORE
money.

Kenny forgot the incompetent GM management that cost its
stockholders
So you are saying the "messiah" is fucked up with his management
of
GM? since they are still losing $billions?

Sid, who you gonna steal money from today?
.
.
GM's managers were incompetent.

That wasn't what you said when they made money and paid billions in
TAXES.

They mismanaged these companies for years.
The government had little to do with their actions.

The Government and the Unions were taking their profits that they
could
have used the past few years.

Toyota ate them up and they did nothing except produce shit cars.

Union Built.....

Buy a shitty Union made car.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

GM is the best American cars, but I think Subaru may very well be
the
best car made, trust me!
..

On Nov 2, 9:58 pm, John Galt <kady... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
MACK DADDY wrote:
On Nov 2, 9:36 am, The_Carpathia <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 12:31 pm, "PC" <P... at (no spam) minneapolis.mn.us> wrote:
"The_Carpathia" <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1d39938c-1b92-439a-99e1-1180c8c854da at (no spam) k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just posted
a BILLION in profits,
Ino ther words: Ford did not need it.
while the bailed out car companies ended in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.
In other words: the others needed it.
Convenient amnesia....that's what you have. I recall Ford execs going
before Congress that were demanding they take the money, and the
refused the money in Congressional hearings. I recall their dire
financial condition dropping their stock, just like the others.
However, I recall Ford taking out credit from banks, rather than the
government...banks that didn't, then, demand changes that would sink
their company. However, anything that works against your side is just
forgotten...like the million broken promises of Obama.
Kenneth W Clifton
How conveniently you forget that Ford took out some loans for alot of
money a couple years ago before the economy went so bad. They didn't
invest as much in developing modern electric and hybrid cars as GM.
So while Ford may look better right now, It is GM that will have a
brighter future because they are building cars for the future.
Assuming (1) that electrics and hybrids really *are* the cars of the
future, and (2) GM does something that they haven't done for decades,
which is to manufacture electrics and hybrids vehicles which are broadly
more attractive to buy than Honda, Toyota, and the broad set of
competitors, not just Ford. (Honda's electric will be half the price of
the Volt.)

GM's a dead man walking until they actually come to market with a hit.
There's none on the horizon.

JG

Even



today GM is building more cars I like.- Hide quoted text -
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That's exactly why we need tariffs. So foreign car makers can't
undercut our own car makers in our own country. I think the volt is a
better car than the honda.

MACK DADDY wrote:
On Nov 2, 9:36 am, The_Carpathia <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 12:31 pm, "PC" <P... at (no spam) minneapolis.mn.us> wrote:

"The_Carpathia" <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1d39938c-1b92-439a-99e1-1180c8c854da at (no spam) k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just
posted
a BILLION in profits,
Ino ther words: Ford did not need it.
while the bailed out car companies ended in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.
In other words: the others needed it.
Convenient amnesia....that's what you have. I recall Ford execs
going
before Congress that were demanding they take the money, and the
refused the money in Congressional hearings. I recall their dire
financial condition dropping their stock, just like the others.
However, I recall Ford taking out credit from banks, rather than
the
government...banks that didn't, then, demand changes that would
sink
their company. However, anything that works against your side is
just
forgotten...like the million broken promises of Obama.

Kenneth W Clifton

How conveniently you forget that Ford took out some loans for alot
of
money a couple years ago before the economy went so bad. They
didn't
invest as much in developing modern electric and hybrid cars as GM.
So while Ford may look better right now, It is GM that will have a
brighter future because they are building cars for the future.

Assuming (1) that electrics and hybrids really *are* the cars of the
future, and (2) GM does something that they haven't done for
decades, which is to manufacture electrics and hybrids vehicles
which are broadly more attractive to buy than Honda, Toyota, and the
broad set of competitors, not just Ford. (Honda's electric will be
half the price of the Volt.)

GM's a dead man walking until they actually come to market with a
hit. There's none on the horizon.

JG

Even
today GM is building more cars I like.

MACK DADDY wrote:
On Nov 2, 9:58 pm, John Galt <kady... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
MACK DADDY wrote:
On Nov 2, 9:36 am, The_Carpathia <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 12:31 pm, "PC" <P... at (no spam) minneapolis.mn.us> wrote:
"The_Carpathia" <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1d39938c-1b92-439a-99e1-1180c8c854da at (no spam) k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just posted
a BILLION in profits,
Ino ther words: Ford did not need it.
 while the bailed out car companies ended in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.
In other words: the others needed it.
Convenient amnesia....that's what you have.  I recall Ford execs going
before Congress that were demanding they take the money, and the
refused the money in Congressional hearings.  I recall their dire
financial condition dropping their stock, just like the others.
However, I recall Ford taking out credit from banks, rather than the
government...banks that didn't, then, demand changes that would sink
their company.  However, anything that works against your side is just
forgotten...like the million broken promises of Obama.
Kenneth W Clifton
How conveniently you forget that Ford took out some loans for alot of
money a couple  years ago before the economy went so bad.  They didn't
invest as much in developing modern electric and hybrid cars as GM.
So while Ford may look better right now, It is GM that will have a
brighter future because they are building cars for the future.
Assuming (1) that electrics and hybrids really *are* the cars of the
future, and (2) GM does something that they haven't done for decades,
which is to manufacture electrics and hybrids vehicles which are broadly
more attractive to buy than Honda, Toyota, and the broad set of
competitors, not just Ford. (Honda's electric will be half the price of
the Volt.)

GM's a dead man walking until they actually come to market with a hit.
There's none on the horizon.

JG

   Even

today GM is building more cars I like.- Hide quoted text -
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That's exactly why we need tariffs.  So foreign car makers can't
undercut our own car makers in our own country.  I think the volt is a
better car than the honda.

It may be, but it's almost 2.5X the price. Tariffs on the Honda would
just insure that the Volt sits in the showroom and looks pretty while
inventories build up and people buy Malibus and Focuses (Foci?).

Besides, Honda would just build a plant in Texas and make them here.
Better for US jobs, but not better for the Volt and not better for GM.

JG- Hide quoted text -

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MACK DADDY wrote:
On Nov 2, 9:36 am, The_Carpathia <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 12:31 pm, "PC" <P... at (no spam) minneapolis.mn.us> wrote:

"The_Carpathia" <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1d39938c-1b92-439a-99e1-1180c8c854da at (no spam) k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just
posted
a BILLION in profits,
Ino ther words: Ford did not need it.
while the bailed out car companies ended in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.
In other words: the others needed it.
Convenient amnesia....that's what you have. I recall Ford execs
going
before Congress that were demanding they take the money, and the
refused the money in Congressional hearings. I recall their dire
financial condition dropping their stock, just like the others.
However, I recall Ford taking out credit from banks, rather than
the
government...banks that didn't, then, demand changes that would
sink
their company. However, anything that works against your side is
just
forgotten...like the million broken promises of Obama.

Kenneth W Clifton
How conveniently you forget that Ford took out some loans for alot
of
money a couple years ago before the economy went so bad. They
didn't
invest as much in developing modern electric and hybrid cars as GM.
So while Ford may look better right now, It is GM that will have a
brighter future because they are building cars for the future.
Assuming (1) that electrics and hybrids really *are* the cars of the
future, and (2) GM does something that they haven't done for
decades, which is to manufacture electrics and hybrids vehicles
which are broadly more attractive to buy than Honda, Toyota, and the
broad set of competitors, not just Ford. (Honda's electric will be
half the price of the Volt.)

GM's a dead man walking until they actually come to market with a
hit. There's none on the horizon.

JG

Even
today GM is building more cars I like.

Incompetent GM management brought GM down.
The sick patient is still alive.
Business has picked up and they're not selling Opel because they
believe they can make a profit there.

It's not government that caused this mess....The mess belongs to
Republican Reagan, HW Bush, and bush,jr

On Nov 3, 10:27 pm, John Galt <kady... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
MACK DADDY wrote:
On Nov 2, 9:58 pm, John Galt <kady... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
MACK DADDY wrote:
On Nov 2, 9:36 am, The_Carpathia <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 12:31 pm, "PC" <P... at (no spam) minneapolis.mn.us> wrote:
"The_Carpathia" <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1d39938c-1b92-439a-99e1-1180c8c854da at (no spam) k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just posted
a BILLION in profits,
Ino ther words: Ford did not need it.
while the bailed out car companies ended in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.
In other words: the others needed it.
Convenient amnesia....that's what you have. I recall Ford execs going
before Congress that were demanding they take the money, and the
refused the money in Congressional hearings. I recall their dire
financial condition dropping their stock, just like the others.
However, I recall Ford taking out credit from banks, rather than the
government...banks that didn't, then, demand changes that would sink
their company. However, anything that works against your side is just
forgotten...like the million broken promises of Obama.
Kenneth W Clifton
How conveniently you forget that Ford took out some loans for alot of
money a couple years ago before the economy went so bad. They didn't
invest as much in developing modern electric and hybrid cars as GM.
So while Ford may look better right now, It is GM that will have a
brighter future because they are building cars for the future.
Assuming (1) that electrics and hybrids really *are* the cars of the
future, and (2) GM does something that they haven't done for decades,
which is to manufacture electrics and hybrids vehicles which are broadly
more attractive to buy than Honda, Toyota, and the broad set of
competitors, not just Ford. (Honda's electric will be half the price of
the Volt.)
GM's a dead man walking until they actually come to market with a hit.
There's none on the horizon.
JG
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That's exactly why we need tariffs. So foreign car makers can't
undercut our own car makers in our own country. I think the volt is a
better car than the honda.
It may be, but it's almost 2.5X the price. Tariffs on the Honda would
just insure that the Volt sits in the showroom and looks pretty while
inventories build up and people buy Malibus and Focuses (Foci?).

Besides, Honda would just build a plant in Texas and make them here.
Better for US jobs, but not better for the Volt and not better for GM.

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I don't mind if Honda or any of t he other car makers want to build
plants in the US and build cars here using US workers. I would love
to see Subaru open up a US plant, I love their cars!

Sid9 wrote:
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MACK DADDY wrote:
On Nov 2, 9:36 am, The_Carpathia <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 12:31 pm, "PC" <P... at (no spam) minneapolis.mn.us> wrote:

"The_Carpathia" <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
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So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just
posted
a BILLION in profits,
Ino ther words: Ford did not need it.
while the bailed out car companies ended in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.
In other words: the others needed it.
Convenient amnesia....that's what you have. I recall Ford execs
going
before Congress that were demanding they take the money, and the
refused the money in Congressional hearings. I recall their
dire
financial condition dropping their stock, just like the others.
However, I recall Ford taking out credit from banks, rather than
the
government...banks that didn't, then, demand changes that would
sink
their company. However, anything that works against your side
is just
forgotten...like the million broken promises of Obama.

Kenneth W Clifton
How conveniently you forget that Ford took out some loans for
alot of
money a couple years ago before the economy went so bad. They
didn't
invest as much in developing modern electric and hybrid cars as
GM.
So while Ford may look better right now, It is GM that will have
a
brighter future because they are building cars for the future.
Assuming (1) that electrics and hybrids really *are* the cars of
the future, and (2) GM does something that they haven't done for
decades, which is to manufacture electrics and hybrids vehicles
which are broadly more attractive to buy than Honda, Toyota, and
the broad set of competitors, not just Ford. (Honda's electric
will be half the price of the Volt.)

GM's a dead man walking until they actually come to market with a
hit. There's none on the horizon.

JG

Even
today GM is building more cars I like.

Incompetent GM management brought GM down.
The sick patient is still alive.
Business has picked up and they're not selling Opel because they
believe they can make a profit there.

It's not government that caused this mess....The mess belongs to
Republican Reagan, HW Bush, and bush,jr

Yes, yes, yes. Boosh him bad. Bad Boosh. Continue to believe that
it's all one party if you like.

The rest of us know better.

JG

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MACK DADDY wrote:
On Nov 2, 9:36 am, The_Carpathia <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 12:31 pm, "PC" <P... at (no spam) minneapolis.mn.us> wrote:

"The_Carpathia" <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
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So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just
posted
a BILLION in profits,
Ino ther words: Ford did not need it.
 while the bailed out car companies ended in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.
In other words: the others needed it.
Convenient amnesia....that's what you have.  I recall Ford execs
going
before Congress that were demanding they take the money, and the
refused the money in Congressional hearings.  I recall their dire
financial condition dropping their stock, just like the others.
However, I recall Ford taking out credit from banks, rather than
the
government...banks that didn't, then, demand changes that would
sink
their company.  However, anything that works against your side is
just
forgotten...like the million broken promises of Obama.

Kenneth W Clifton

How conveniently you forget that Ford took out some loans for alot
of
money a couple  years ago before the economy went so bad.  They
didn't
invest as much in developing modern electric and hybrid cars as GM.
So while Ford may look better right now, It is GM that will have a
brighter future because they are building cars for the future.

Assuming (1) that electrics and hybrids really *are* the cars of the
future, and (2) GM does something that they haven't done for
decades, which is to manufacture electrics and hybrids vehicles
which are broadly more attractive to buy than Honda, Toyota, and the
broad set of competitors, not just Ford. (Honda's electric will be
half the price of the Volt.)

GM's a dead man walking until they actually come to market with a
hit. There's none on the horizon.

JG

  Even
today GM is building more cars I like.

Incompetent GM management brought GM down.
The sick patient is still alive.
Business has picked up and they're not selling Opel because they
believe they can make a profit there.

It's not government that caused this mess....The mess belongs to
Republican Reagan, HW Bush, and bush,jr

Sid9 wrote:
"John Galt" <kady... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:KDPHm.306006$KK5.3995 at (no spam) en-nntp-06.am2.easynews.com...
MACK DADDY wrote:
On Nov 2, 9:36 am, The_Carpathia <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 12:31 pm, "PC" <P... at (no spam) minneapolis.mn.us> wrote:

"The_Carpathia" <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1d39938c-1b92-439a-99e1-1180c8c854da at (no spam) k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just
posted
a BILLION in profits,
Ino ther words: Ford did not need it.
 while the bailed out car companies ended in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.
In other words: the others needed it.
Convenient amnesia....that's what you have.  I recall Ford execs
going
before Congress that were demanding they take the money, and the
refused the money in Congressional hearings.  I recall their dire
financial condition dropping their stock, just like the others.
However, I recall Ford taking out credit from banks, rather than
the
government...banks that didn't, then, demand changes that would
sink
their company.  However, anything that works against your side is
just
forgotten...like the million broken promises of Obama.

Kenneth W Clifton
How conveniently you forget that Ford took out some loans for alot
of
money a couple  years ago before the economy went so bad.  They
didn't
invest as much in developing modern electric and hybrid cars as GM.
So while Ford may look better right now, It is GM that will have a
brighter future because they are building cars for the future.
Assuming (1) that electrics and hybrids really *are* the cars of the
future, and (2) GM does something that they haven't done for
decades, which is to manufacture electrics and hybrids vehicles
which are broadly more attractive to buy than Honda, Toyota, and the
broad set of competitors, not just Ford. (Honda's electric will be
half the price of the Volt.)

GM's a dead man walking until they actually come to market with a
hit. There's none on the horizon.

JG

  Even
today GM is building more cars I like.

Incompetent GM management brought GM down.
The sick patient is still alive.
Business has picked up and they're not selling Opel because they
believe they can make a profit there.

It's not government that caused this mess....The mess belongs to
Republican Reagan, HW Bush, and bush,jr

Yes, yes, yes. Boosh him bad. Bad Boosh. Continue to believe that it's
all one party if you like.

The rest of us know better.

JG- Hide quoted text -

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MACK DADDY wrote:
On Nov 2, 9:36 am, The_Carpathia <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 12:31 pm, "PC" <P... at (no spam) minneapolis.mn.us> wrote:

"The_Carpathia" <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1d39938c-1b92-439a-99e1-1180c8c854da at (no spam) k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just
posted
a BILLION in profits,
Ino ther words: Ford did not need it.
 while the bailed out car companies ended in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.
In other words: the others needed it.
Convenient amnesia....that's what you have.  I recall Ford execs
going
before Congress that were demanding they take the money, and the
refused the money in Congressional hearings.  I recall their dire
financial condition dropping their stock, just like the others.
However, I recall Ford taking out credit from banks, rather than
the
government...banks that didn't, then, demand changes that would
sink
their company.  However, anything that works against your side is
just
forgotten...like the million broken promises of Obama.

Kenneth W Clifton

How conveniently you forget that Ford took out some loans for alot
of
money a couple  years ago before the economy went so bad.  They
didn't
invest as much in developing modern electric and hybrid cars as GM.
So while Ford may look better right now, It is GM that will have a
brighter future because they are building cars for the future.

Assuming (1) that electrics and hybrids really *are* the cars of the
future, and (2) GM does something that they haven't done for
decades, which is to manufacture electrics and hybrids vehicles
which are broadly more attractive to buy than Honda, Toyota, and the
broad set of competitors, not just Ford. (Honda's electric will be
half the price of the Volt.)

GM's a dead man walking until they actually come to market with a
hit. There's none on the horizon.

JG

  Even
today GM is building more cars I like.

Incompetent GM management brought GM down.
The sick patient is still alive.
Business has picked up and they're not selling Opel because they
believe they can make a profit there.

It's not government that caused this mess....The mess belongs to
Republican Reagan, HW Bush, and bush,jr

So, GM's "incompetent management" caused the company to fail, and it's
still failing with new management; however, Ford's "incompetent
management" that caused their problems have turned a profit?

Kenneth W Clifton- Hide quoted text -

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