The_Carpathia <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
 while the bailed out car companies ended in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.

In other words: the others needed it.

Convenient amnesia....that's what you have.  I recall

apparently incorrectly, unless you provide a cite.

Ford execs going before Congress that were demanding they take the money,

Cite required.

and the refused the money in Congressional hearings.

Cite required.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1276335/big_3_bailout_become...

indicates that Ford said in December, that it did not need assistance
"at the moment".  There is nothing implying any sort of "demands" on
the part of Congress.

I recall

apparently incorrectly, unless you provide a cite.

their dire financial condition dropping their stock, just like the others.

Ford's stock hit its low last November, before any bailout decision.
It was already recovering by the time the bailout was offered.

However, I recall Ford taking out credit from banks, rather than the
government.

That is because the banks would loan to Ford.  They wouldn't loan to
the others, because they were worse off.

However, anything that works against your side is just
forgotten...like the million broken promises of Obama.

Cite please, liar.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/
49 kept, 7 broken  (and some of those broken were not within his power
to deliver).  Fewer broken promises than Kennie.

Ya got a long way to go to come up with a million.

lojbab

---
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On Nov 2, 12:44 pm, "Tom Sr." <tomswiftsen... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 12:23 pm, The_Carpathia <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just
posted
a BILLION in profits, while the bailed out car companies ended in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.
Which path do you want the country to take...capitalist, refusing
govt
aid, leading to a profit...or govt run, leading to economic
collapse
and loss?

BUY  FORD!  Help support equal rights for gay and transgendered
people!

-----http://www.hrc.org/13518.htm

* Number of Top Rated Businesses for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual,
and Transgender Workers Jumps Despite Tough Economy *
9/14/2009

WASHINGTON, D.C. –The number of businesses with perfect ratings
based
on  lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender workplace policies and
benefits rose by twenty percent in the past twelve months — despite
the serious economic downturn — according to a new report released
today by the Human Rights Campaign Foundation, the nation’s largest
lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender civil rights organization.
The
2010 edition of the Corporate Equality Index, which rates 590
businesses on a scale from 0 to 100 percent, reports 305 businesses
achieved top ratings, compared to 260 last year. To view the report
visit:www.HRC.org/CEI...

Ford Motor Company:
 * Fortune 500 Rank - 7
 * Corporate Equality Index - 100%
-----

More details about Ford Motor Company's GLBT Equality Policies can
be
read at::

http://www.hrc.org/issues/workplace/organization_profile.asp?organiza....

  -Tom Sr.

You mean it's possible to have politically correct Wall Street
company
management without government controls?

Kenneth W Clifton

.
.
.
Kenny forgot the incompetent GM management that cost its stockholders
billions....then to the government that saved the remnants of their
mismanaged company.

So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just posted
a BILLION in profits, while the bailed out car companies ended in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.

Which path do you want the country to take...capitalist, refusing govt
aid, leading to a profit...or govt run, leading to economic collapse
and loss?

It is not surprising that Ford posted a profit, because of the

"The_Carpathia" <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1d39938c-1b92-439a-99e1-1180c8c854da at (no spam) k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...

So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just posted
a BILLION in profits,

Ino ther words: Ford did not need it.

while the bailed out car companies ended in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.

In other words: the others needed it.

Which path do you want the country to take...capitalist, refusing govt
aid, leading to a profit...or govt run, leading to economic collapse
and loss?

On Nov 2, 12:44 pm, "Tom Sr." <tomswiftsen... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 12:23 pm, The_Carpathia <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just
posted
a BILLION in profits, while the bailed out car companies ended in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.
Which path do you want the country to take...capitalist, refusing
govt
aid, leading to a profit...or govt run, leading to economic
collapse
and loss?

BUY FORD! Help support equal rights for gay and transgendered
people!

-----http://www.hrc.org/13518.htm

* Number of Top Rated Businesses for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual,
and Transgender Workers Jumps Despite Tough Economy *
9/14/2009

WASHINGTON, D.C. –The number of businesses with perfect ratings
based
on lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender workplace policies and
benefits rose by twenty percent in the past twelve months — despite
the serious economic downturn — according to a new report released
today by the Human Rights Campaign Foundation, the nation’s largest
lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender civil rights organization.
The
2010 edition of the Corporate Equality Index, which rates 590
businesses on a scale from 0 to 100 percent, reports 305 businesses
achieved top ratings, compared to 260 last year. To view the report
visit:www.HRC.org/CEI...

Ford Motor Company:
* Fortune 500 Rank - 7
* Corporate Equality Index - 100%
-----

More details about Ford Motor Company's GLBT Equality Policies can
be
read at::

http://www.hrc.org/issues/workplace/organization_profile.asp?organiza...

-Tom Sr.

You mean it's possible to have politically correct Wall Street
company
management without government controls?

Kenneth W Clifton
..

On Nov 2, 12:23 pm, The_Carpathia <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just
posted
a BILLION in profits, while the bailed out car companies ended in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.

Which path do you want the country to take...capitalist, refusing
govt
aid, leading to a profit...or govt run, leading to economic
collapse
and loss?

Kenneth W Clifton

Very good points.
..

"The_Carpathia" <writingken at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1d39938c-1b92-439a-99e1-1180c8c854da at (no spam) k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just
posted
a BILLION in profits, while the bailed out car companies ended in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.

Which path do you want the country to take...capitalist, refusing
govt
aid, leading to a profit...or govt run, leading to economic
collapse
and loss?

It is not surprising that Ford posted a profit, because of the
cash-for-clunkers program, but also because Americans are reluctant
to buy
government cars. There is still hope
e.



..

 while the bailed out car companies ended in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.

In other words: the others needed it.

Convenient amnesia....that's what you have. I recall

Ford execs going before Congress that were demanding they take the money,

and the refused the money in Congressional hearings.

I recall

their dire financial condition dropping their stock, just like the others.

However, I recall Ford taking out credit from banks, rather than the
government.

However, anything that works against your side is just
forgotten...like the million broken promises of Obama.

On Nov 2, 12:31 pm, "PC" <P... at (no spam) minneapolis.mn.us> wrote:

"The_Carpathia" <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1d39938c-1b92-439a-99e1-1180c8c854da at (no spam) k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com....

So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just posted
a BILLION in profits,

Ino ther words: Ford did not need it.

 while the bailed out car companies ended in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.

In other words: the others needed it.

Convenient amnesia....that's what you have.  I recall Ford execs going
before Congress that were demanding they take the money, and the
refused the money in Congressional hearings.  I recall their dire
financial condition dropping their stock, just like the others.
However, I recall Ford taking out credit from banks, rather than the
government...banks that didn't, then, demand changes that would sink
their company.  However, anything that works against your side is just
forgotten...like the million broken promises of Obama.

Kenneth W Clifton

On Nov 2, 9:36 am, The_Carpathia <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 12:31 pm, "PC" <P... at (no spam) minneapolis.mn.us> wrote:

"The_Carpathia" <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1d39938c-1b92-439a-99e1-1180c8c854da at (no spam) k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just posted
a BILLION in profits,
Ino ther words: Ford did not need it.
while the bailed out car companies ended in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.
In other words: the others needed it.
Convenient amnesia....that's what you have. I recall Ford execs going
before Congress that were demanding they take the money, and the
refused the money in Congressional hearings. I recall their dire
financial condition dropping their stock, just like the others.
However, I recall Ford taking out credit from banks, rather than the
government...banks that didn't, then, demand changes that would sink
their company. However, anything that works against your side is just
forgotten...like the million broken promises of Obama.

Kenneth W Clifton

How conveniently you forget that Ford took out some loans for alot of
money a couple years ago before the economy went so bad. They didn't
invest as much in developing modern electric and hybrid cars as GM.
So while Ford may look better right now, It is GM that will have a
brighter future because they are building cars for the future.

On Nov 2, 12:26 pm, kim <k... at (no spam) everywhere.net> wrote:
On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:08:21 -0800 (PST), Wide Eyed in Wonder





kand... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 12:53 pm, Stile4aly <stile4... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 9:36 am, The_Carpathia <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

On Nov 2, 12:31 pm, "PC" <P... at (no spam) minneapolis.mn.us> wrote:

"The_Carpathia" <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1d39938c-1b92-439a-99e1-1180c8c854da at (no spam) k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...

So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just posted
a BILLION in profits,

Ino ther words: Ford did not need it.

 while the bailed out car companies ended in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.

In other words: the others needed it.

Convenient amnesia....that's what you have.  I recall Ford execs going
before Congress that were demanding they take the money, and the
refused the money in Congressional hearings.  I recall their dire
financial condition dropping their stock, just like the others.
However, I recall Ford taking out credit from banks, rather than the
government...banks that didn't, then, demand changes that would sink
their company.  However, anything that works against your side is just
forgotten...like the million broken promises of Obama.

Kenneth W Clifton

You recall incorrectly.  Congress did not force money on the auto
companies the way that it was forced on the banks (each of the 7 major
banks was required to take TARP money so that no single bank would be
seen as institutionally weaker or stronger).  Ford went before
Congress and explained their financials.  The bailout offer was made,
and Ford declined based on the terms of the offer...

So, YOU are saying Congress OFFERED bailout money to a company that
didn't need it?

Kenneth W Clifton

This is indeed the Bush government you are talking about.  And they
did indeed forced their will on the banks.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And the demorats in congress includng your Messiah supported it.
They actually continued some of it. But maybe they'll do it right

On Nov 2, 9:36 am, The_Carpathia <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:



On Nov 2, 12:31 pm, "PC" <P... at (no spam) minneapolis.mn.us> wrote:

"The_Carpathia" <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1d39938c-1b92-439a-99e1-1180c8c854da at (no spam) k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com....

So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just posted
a BILLION in profits,

Ino ther words: Ford did not need it.

 while the bailed out car companies ended in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.

In other words: the others needed it.

Convenient amnesia....that's what you have.  I recall Ford execs going
before Congress that were demanding they take the money, and the
refused the money in Congressional hearings.  I recall their dire
financial condition dropping their stock, just like the others.
However, I recall Ford taking out credit from banks, rather than the
government...banks that didn't, then, demand changes that would sink
their company.  However, anything that works against your side is just
forgotten...like the million broken promises of Obama.

Kenneth W Clifton

How conveniently you forget that Ford took out some loans for alot of
money a couple  years ago before the economy went so bad.  They didn't
invest as much in developing modern electric and hybrid cars as GM.
So while Ford may look better right now, It is GM that will have a
brighter future because they are building cars for the future.  Even
today GM is building more cars I like.

"Straightarrow" <hoofhearte... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:62a0fa39-ad45-4535-b95d-191bec788d09 at (no spam) r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 2, 11:31 am, "PC" <P... at (no spam) minneapolis.mn.us> wrote:

"The_Carpathia" <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1d39938c-1b92-439a-99e1-1180c8c854da at (no spam) k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com....

So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just posted
a BILLION in profits,

Ino ther words: Ford did not need it.

while the bailed out car companies ended in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.

In other words: the others needed it.

Why didn't Obama just let em' fail??



He was not POTUS when the automaker bailouts began.

"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kand... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1796dd00-5e85-419f-8119-ceaf62aa8c56 at (no spam) c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...



On Nov 2, 12:44 pm, "Tom Sr." <tomswiftsen... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 12:23 pm, The_Carpathia <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just
posted
a BILLION in profits, while the bailed out car companies ended in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.
Which path do you want the country to take...capitalist, refusing
govt
aid, leading to a profit...or govt run, leading to economic
collapse
and loss?

BUY  FORD!  Help support equal rights for gay and transgendered
people!

-----http://www.hrc.org/13518.htm

* Number of Top Rated Businesses for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual,
and Transgender Workers Jumps Despite Tough Economy *
9/14/2009

WASHINGTON, D.C. –The number of businesses with perfect ratings
based
on  lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender workplace policies and
benefits rose by twenty percent in the past twelve months — despite
the serious economic downturn — according to a new report released
today by the Human Rights Campaign Foundation, the nation’s largest
lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender civil rights organization.
The
2010 edition of the Corporate Equality Index, which rates 590
businesses on a scale from 0 to 100 percent, reports 305 businesses
achieved top ratings, compared to 260 last year. To view the report
visit:www.HRC.org/CEI...

Ford Motor Company:
 * Fortune 500 Rank - 7
 * Corporate Equality Index - 100%
-----

More details about Ford Motor Company's GLBT Equality Policies can
be
read at::

http://www.hrc.org/issues/workplace/organization_profile.asp?organiza....

  -Tom Sr.

You mean it's possible to have politically correct Wall Street
company
management without government controls?

Kenneth W Clifton

.
.
.
Kenny forgot the incompetent GM management that cost its stockholders
billions....then to the government that saved the remnants of their
mismanaged company.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -