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| I, Enemy Combatant... |
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Pull My Finger
Pull your strings, Larry, pull your red wagon
Pull building seven, looks like she's saggin'
Right in the middle, where metal was found
In a molten pool, after she fell down
H-beams were cut so obtusely slanted
Scientists agree: thermate was planted
A secret deal Larry Silverspoon pulled off
He got all the money, but none of the cough
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Ex-CIA Chief James Woolsey handed down gag-order to 9/11 Firefighters
http://www.prisonplanet.com/ex-cia-chief-james-woolsey-handed-down-gag-order-to-911-firefighters.html
Jerry Mazza
Infowars
October 20, 2009
This tale begins during and shortly after 9/11/2001, when a writer
named Randy Lavello published a story at Prison Planet, Bombs in the
Building: World Trade Center ‘Conspiracy Theory’ is a Conspiracy Fact.
Among the many tales in this article, a number of which were picked up
in Mike Rivero’s web site, what really happened, is a conversation
between Lavello and Lieutenant Fireman and former Auxiliary Police
Officer, Paul Isaac Jr. It’s a head-spinner…
The Woolsey gag order created an Omerta-like mob silence that
Firefighters and Police Officers have had to deal with to this day.
“[Lieutenant Fireman and former Auxiliary Police Officer, Paul Isaac
Jr.] explained to me [Lavello] that, ‘many other firemen know there
were bombs in the buildings, but they’re afraid for their jobs to
admit it because the ‘higher-ups’ forbid discussion of this fact.”
Paul further elaborated that former CIA director Robert Woolsey, as
the Fire Department’s Anti-terrorism Consultant, is sending a gag
order down the ranks. ‘There were definitely bombs in those
buildings,’ he told me.”
Isaac also addressed the FBI gag order in an article by Greg
Syzmanski, saying “It’s amazing how many people are afraid to talk for
fear or retaliation or losing their jobs.” He mentions that the FBI
gag order placed on law enforcement and fire department officials
prevented them from openly talking about any inside knowledge of 9/11.
Syzmansky praised Isaacs in a highly interesting article titled
One-Man Investigative Team.
Syzmansky wrote that “When he [Isaacs] worked as an auxiliary fireman
specializing in emergency and disaster communications response, Isaac
said after 9/11 he began monitoring all emergency units to see if any
patterns or information about the perpetrators could be learned.
“Over the last four years he’s compiled information and names of
civilians and firefighters, whose identities he keeps anonymous for
their safety, who all claim to have either witnessed explosions in the
towers or have information that a controlled demolition took place.”
Isaacs is quoted as saying, “It’s just amazing how many people are
afraid to talk for fear of retaliation or losing their jobs,” again
regarding Woolsey’s FBI gag order placed on law enforcement and fire
department officials, preventing them from openly talking about any
inside knowledge of 9/11.
Researcher Vincent Sammartino, also in attendance at the WTC ‘open
grave site’ on September 11, 2005, wrote the following on APFN, “I
just got back from Ground Zero. People know the truth! Half of the
police and firemen were coming up to us and telling us that they know
9/11 was an inside job. They were told not to talk about it. But they
were supporting what we were doing! I had tears in my eyes.”
So, why would former CIA director Woolsey, as the Fire Department’s
Anti-terrorism Consultant, be gagging Isaac and his colleagues about
what they saw and heard, i.e. bombs exploding in the building if not
to cover up the government conspiracy, the inside job behind the
supposed demolition of the WTC by two jetliners, whose fuel fire
supposedly melted the redundant steel frames which caved and caused a
pyroplastic free-fall of each building in some ten seconds. All at
once the conspiracy of the lone Muslim airliner hijackers destroying
the towers goes down the drain, glub, glub! That’s why Firefighters
and Police Officers were gagged.
In fact, click Rivero’s “what really happened” site above to get to
get more linked interviews of Firefighters talking about explosions
shortly after 9/11 occurred. Rivero is amazing at collecting data,
classifying it, and incorporating it into his encyclopedic 9/11 site.
Read what the heroes had to say.
For instance, “Lou Cacchioli, Firefighter in WTC 1: At that point,
Cacchioli found one of the only functioning elevators, one only going
as high as the 24th floor … ‘Tommy Hetzel was with me and everybody
else also gets out of the elevator when it stops on the 24th floor,’
said Cacchioli. ‘There was a huge amount of smoke. Tommy and I had to
go back down the elevator for tools and no sooner did the elevators
close behind us, we heard this huge explosion that sounded like a
bomb. It was such a loud noise, it knocked off the lights and stalled
the elevator.’
Lou continues, ‘Luckily, we weren’t caught between floors and were
able to pry open the doors. People were going crazy, yelling and
screaming. And all the time, I am crawling low and making my way in
the dark with a flashlight to the staircase and thinking Tommy is
right behind me… I somehow got into the stairwell and there were more
people there. When I began to try and direct down, another huge
explosion like the first one hits. This one hits about two minutes
later, although it’s hard to tell, but I’m thinking, ‘Oh. My God,
these bastards put bombs in here like they did in 1993!’”
Unfortunately, the bastards in 1993 and in 2001 had considerable help
from the bastards in our government.
The Woolsey gag order created an Omerta-like mob silence that
Firefighters and Police Officers have had to deal with to this day.
Imagine their anger, seeing their buddies disappear in explosions,
fire and smoke. Imagine having to swallow that anger, that grief and
humiliation, for the grand purpose of America sinking into the grizzly
War on Terror in a matter of days. Imagine having to work on the pile
at Ground Zero knowing what you knew. Or having to play deaf, dumb and
blind, as 340 Firefighters died, two fire paramedics and one FDNY
Chaplain and as 23 New York Police officers and 36 Port Authority
officers went down. Not to mention the 2800 plus civilians taken from
their lives senselessly.
Is it any wonder then that Justice John Lehner recently killed the NYC
CAN ballot initiative to reinvestigate 911. The Justice called the
initiative “irrelevant,” and rejected the will of 80,000 New Yorkers
who had signed petitions to make it to happen. Is it the specter of
James Woolsey gagging the Justice, or Mayor Bloomberg? Bloomberg
rejected the will of the people after they had twice voted against a
third term for New York Mayors. And since Mayor Bloomberg is in the
middle of a political campaign for his illegal third term, he might
want to assure us that we’re not being gagged, like Justice Lehner or
the Fire and Police Departments. We would like to hear the full 9/11
story presented by a truly independent and expert commission.
What Bush did, what is still being done, is in keeping with Hitler’s
axiom: If you tell a lie, make sure it’s a big lie, and keep telling
it till everyone believes or has to believe it for fear of seeming
unpatriotic. And so it’s time to take the gag off, one way or the
other. Let those Firefighters and Police officers speak without fear
of retribution. Let the facts, the real facts of 911, gathered by
engineers, architects, pilots, retired military men, first responders,
citizens of New York and the world, speak for once loud and clear.
New Yorkers should take to the streets to protest the Justice’s gag
order. Case in point: a few days ago the governor of Puerto Rico
announced that he would fire 20,000 government workers to close his $4
billion deficit, once again balancing deficits on the backs of labor.
This caused the people of Puerto Rico to pour into the streets in a
spontaneous one-day strike! In fact, their Puerto Rican brothers and
sisters in New York City joined in a March at the Puerto Rican
government offices here. Their collective reaction made waves from the
mainland to the island.
We don’t want to end up with an Emperor instead of a duly-elected
Mayor, Governor, or President, and silence instead of justice. Why not
bring the wheels of New York to a squealing halt in a similar strike?
So for once we can hear the voice of truth on those scratchy fire and
policeman’s walkie talkies. Then Mr. Woolsey can gag his old friends
at the CIA or his new friends at the Wall Street Journal where he now
writes guest columns. Or perhaps be gagged himself by Rupert “The Fox”
Murdoch, yellow press media mogul of our time. |
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| I, Enemy Combatant... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:47 am |
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In the nation that was founded on "Freedom of Speech," my newsgroups
and post gets snipped in less than two minutes. NORAD could use
government shills like "Animal03-". What kind of an animal are you
anyway, a mongoose?
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:21:45 -0400, Animal03-
<WherewasI at (no spam) yesterday.com> wrote:
Quote: YAWN> Same old tale of debunked kooktard claims.......years and years
pass with no evidence......just the same old kooktard nonsense.
rest of kooktard nonsense snipped
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| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:20 am |
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"I, Enemy Combatant" <antisemite at (no spam) battlefield.usa> wrote in message
news:c14ud55pi0e6nedcupb46nopa2a0u298ig at (no spam) 4ax.com...
Quote:
In the nation that was founded on "Freedom of Speech," my newsgroups
and post gets snipped in less than two minutes. NORAD could use
government shills like "Animal03-". What kind of an animal are you
anyway, a mongoose?
These are mostly paid government coverup shills; some are simply simple
minds in extreme psychological denial.
Just killfile and ignore them, and continue to present the TRUTH.
SIMPLE PHYSICS EXPOSES THE BIG 9/11 LIE -
GOVERNMENT BUILDING COLLAPSE
EXPLANATION FAILS REALITY CHECK
On September 11, 2001, the world watched in horror as the World Trade Center
(WTC) Twin Towers collapsed, killing thousands of innocent people. Videos of
the collapses were replayed ad nauseam on TV for days. About 5 hours after
the towers fell, WTC building 7 also collapsed suddenly, completely, and
straight down at near free-fall speed. This steel-framed building was not
touched by the planes that struck the towers, and had sustained relatively
minor debris damage and small fires. Nearby buildings far more heavily
damaged remained standing.
In June 2005, in an apparent response to an article by Morgan Reynolds,
former CIA Director and current Secretary of Defense Robert Gates stated,
"The American people know what they saw with their own eyes on September 11,
2001. To suggest any kind of government conspiracy in the events of that day
goes beyond the pale."
We will prove here, with scientific rigor, that it's the government's tale
that's "beyond the pale"!
Did most of the American people really understand the unprecedented
phenomena they had witnessed? Could a lack of knowledge of physics, and the
emotional shock of this mass-murderous "terrorist attack" have stymied
objective thinking and led to the blind acceptance of authoritarian
assertions?
The government and the media TOLD US what we saw. The government told us
that we had witnessed a "gravitational" collapse; what is now referred to as
a "pancake collapse". According to the government claims, the plane crashes
and subsequent kerosene (like lamp oil - jet fuel is NOT exotic) fires
heated the UL-certified structural steel to the point where it was
significantly weakened, which is very difficult to believe, never mind
repeat in an experiment. Even with massive fires that incinerate everything
else, the steel frames of such buildings generally remain standing.
According to the "pancake theory", this purported (all physical evidence was
quickly and illegally destroyed) weakening supposedly caused part of the
tower to collapse downward onto the rest of the tower, which, we've been
repeatedly told, somehow resulted in a chain reaction of the lower floors
sequentially, one at a time, yielding to the weight falling from above.
There are some problems with that theory - it does not fit the observed
facts:
* It cannot account for the total failure of the immense vertical steel core
columns - as if they were there one moment and gone the next.
* The collapse times were near free-fall, far too rapid to be due to gravity
alone. This article focuses on the latter of these two discrepancies.
Those that concocted the "pancake theory" made a fatal error - they didn't
check their story against the inviolate laws of physics! This is easy to do,
even without any physical evidence to examine. We can test that incredible
pancake tale using basic high-school physics. Let's do that - use a simple,
unassailable, incontrovertible conservation-of-energy analysis to perform a
reality check that establishes once and for all that the government, and
such government story backers as PBS, Popular Mechanics, and Scientific
American have falsified the true nature of the 9/11 disaster.
How Gravity Acts:
Sir Isaac Newton noticed that apples fell from trees. Others had also
noticed this, but none had ever devised a theory of gravity from the
observation. Over the years, mankind has learned that the force of gravity
at and near Earth's surface produces an acceleration of known constant
magnitude. That doesn't mean we know HOW it works, or WHY, but we have
become able to predict its effects with a high degree of precision and
certainty - gravity has always had the same, predictable, effect.
Galileo Galilei used the leaning tower of Pisa to demonstrate that a large
ball and a small one (of lesser mass) fell (accelerated downward) at the
same rate. Prior to Galileo, people had just assumed that heavier objects
fall faster, much the way they had assumed the Earth was flat.
So while an object of greater mass will exert more force (its weight) upon
anything supporting it against gravity's pull, it does not experience any
greater acceleration when gravity's pull is not opposed - when it is
falling. Earth's gravity at and near the surface of the planet can only
accelerate objects downward at one known, constant rate: 32 feet per second
for each second of free fall. As Galileo demonstrated centuries ago, heavier
objects are not accelerated any quicker than are lighter objects.
So Earth's gravity produces a downward acceleration of 32 feet per second
per second. This means that an object, after falling one second, will be
falling at a speed of 32 ft/sec. After the 2nd second, it will be falling at
64 ft/sec. After the 3rd second, it will be falling at 96 ft/sec., and so
on.
Further, since gravity's acceleration is constant, and an object is falling
at 32 ft/sec after one second has elapsed, we know that it has averaged 16
ft/sec for the entire distance. Thus after one second, the object has fallen
16 feet.
Scientists have derived simple free-fall equations that can be used to
harness this knowledge mathematically. These equations can be found in any
high-school physics book:
* Falling velocity = acceleration of gravity x time. (V = G x T)
And
* Distance fallen = 1/2 x acceleration of gravity x time squared. (D = 1/2
x G x T x T)
So if we want to know how far an object has free-fallen after 3 seconds:
Distance = 1/2 x 32 x 9 = 144 feet
So after 3 seconds in Earth's gravity, an object will have fallen 144 feet
and will be falling at 96 ft/sec.
Checking Our Work:
We've just solved a simple physics problem. Now let's check our work, using
conservation of energy.
We know that energy can neither be created nor destroyed - it merely changes
form. If we take the potential (in this case chemical, molecular) energy in
a barrel of oil and burn it, it changes to heat energy. When we burn
gasoline in our car's engine, we get kinetic (motional) energy, plus some
heat, as an engine is not 100% efficient. When we use our car's brakes to
bleed off some of that kinetic energy (slow down), that energy is converted
into heat (the brakes get hot). Explosives convert potential energy
[molecular or atomic] to kinetic energy (explosive force) quickly enough to
shatter or even pulverize concrete.
In the case of the free-falling object, the two kinds of energy we are
concerned with are kinetic energy and potential energy. Examples of
potential (gravitational) energy are the energy available from water stored
up high in a water tower, or a boulder perched atop a hill. If whatever is
holding it up there is removed, it will fall under the influence of
gravity's pull. As it accelerates downward, the potential energy is
converted to the kinetic energy of the object's motion.
So, as an object falls, it changes its potential energy into kinetic energy.
The equation for potential energy is:
* Potential Energy = Mass (or weight) x Gravity x Height. (PE = M x G x H)
The equation for kinetic energy is:
* Kinetic Energy = 1/2 x Mass x Velocity squared. (KE = 1/2 x M x V x V)
So let's just say, for the sake of simplicity, that our falling object has a
mass of 1. (Remember, the object's mass will affect its energy, and its
momentum, but not its rate of free-fall.)
The potential energy given up by falling 3 seconds (144 ft) is: 1 x 32 x 144
= 4608
The kinetic energy gained after falling 3 secs is 1/2 x 1 x 96 squared = 1/2
x 9216 = 4608
So, the available potential energy was converted into kinetic energy. Seeing
that energy was, in fact, conserved is how we know that the answer in the
simple case above was correct. We've checked our work, using an independent
analysis, based upon the sound physical principle of conservation of energy.
Now, and only now, we can be certain that our answer was correct.
One Little Complication - the effect of air resistance:
The free-fall equations above reflect a perfect, frictionless world. They
perfectly predict the behavior of falling bodies in a vacuum. In fact, you
may have seen a science class demonstration in which the air is pumped out
of a tube and then a feather will fall, in that vacuum, just as fast as will
a solid metal ball.
That's how parachutes work: much of the falling object's potential energy
gets expended doing the work of pushing a lot of air out of the way in order
for the object to fall. As a result, not all of the gravitational potential
energy can go towards accelerating the object downward at gravity's rate of
32 ft/sec/sec.
In other words, only when there is zero frictional resistance can any
falling object's potential energy be completely converted into kinetic
energy. Anything that resists a falling object's downward velocity reduces
its acceleration from the maximum gravitational acceleration of 32 feet per
second per second, as some of gravity's potential energy is consumed in
overcoming frictional resistance.
This explains the phenomena of "terminal velocity". The free-fall equations
predict that a falling object's velocity will continue to increase without
limit. But in air, once a falling object reaches a certain speed, its
propensity to fall will be matched by the air's resistance to the fall. At
that point the object will continue to fall, but its speed will no longer
increase over time. Another way of looking at it is this: gravity's
incessant force produces a downward acceleration, but friction with the air
creates an upward force and thus an upward acceleration. When falling at
terminal velocity, the acceleration downward equals the acceleration upward,
they cancel each other out, and a constant downward velocity is maintained.
Thus the parachute, with its high air friction resistance, allows the person
attached to it to float to earth unharmed.
A Quick Recap:
Earth's gravity causes objects to fall, and they fall according to precise
physical equations. The equations assume no air or other resistance. Any
resistance at all will cause the object to fall less rapidly than it would
without that resistance. If a falling object is affected by air resistance
it falls slower than it would if free-falling, and it will take longer to
fall a given distance.
Free-fall From WTC Building Heights:
The towers were 1350 and 1360 feet tall; average = 1355 feet. Let's start by
using our free-fall equation to see how long it should take an object to
free-fall from the towers' height.
Distance = 1/2 x Gravity x Time squared. (D = 1/2 x G x T x T)
With a little basic algebra, we solve the equation for the fall time, T:
2 x Distance = Gravity x Time(squared) (2 x D = G x T x T)
Time squared = (2 x Distance) / Gravity (T x T = 2 x D / G)
Time squared = 2 x 1355 / 32 = 84.7 (T = square root of (2 x D / G))
Time = 9.2
So our equation tells us that it takes 9.2 seconds to free-fall to the
ground from the height of the WTC towers.
Using our simpler equation, V = G x T, we can see that at 9.2 seconds, the
free-falling object's velocity must be about 295 ft/sec, which is just over
200 mph.
But that can only occur IN A VACUUM.
Since the WTC was in Earth's atmosphere at sea level, you might be able to
imagine how much air resistance that represents. Think about putting your
arm out the window of a car moving even half that fast! Most free-falling
objects reach their terminal velocity long before they reach 200 mph. For
example, the terminal velocity of a free-falling human body is around 120
mph. The terminal velocity of a free-falling cat is around 60 mph.
Therefore, it is clear that air resistance alone will make it take longer
than 9.2 seconds for anything falling from the towers' height to reach the
ground.
Observations from 9/11:
On page 305 of the 9/11 Commission Report, we are told, in the government's
"complete and final report" on 9/11, that the South Tower collapsed in 10
seconds. Here is the exact quote:
"At 9:58:59, the South Tower collapsed in ten seconds". That's the
government's official number. With all the videos that show it, they could
not lie about this.
But as we've determined above, the FREE-FALL TIME IN A VACUUM is 9.2
seconds, and 10 seconds is an exceptionally short fall time through the air.
This "collapse" was not without far more physical resistance than from the
air alone. It proceeded through all the lower stories of the tower. Those
undamaged floors below the plane impact zone offered resistance thousands of
times greater than that of air. Those lower stories, and the central steel
core columns, had successfully supported the mass of the tower for 30 years
despite hurricane-force winds and tremors. Air cannot do that.
Can anyone possibly imagine undamaged lower floors getting out of the way of
the upper floors as gracefully and relatively frictionlessly as air would?
Can anyone possibly imagine the lower stories slowing the fall of the upper
floors less than would, say, a parachute?
It is beyond the scope of the simple but uncontested physics here to tell
you how long such a collapse should have taken. Would it have taken a
minute? Ten minutes? Hard to say, but certainly it would take far more than
10 seconds!
What is certain, beyond any shadow of a doubt, is that the towers could not
have collapsed gravitationally, through their intact lower stories, as
rapidly as was observed on 9/11. Not even close. This is shown above to be
physically impossible!
Not only was tremendous energy expended in causing the observed massive
high-speed sideways debris ejections, but virtually all the concrete and
glass of the tower was pulverized - actually dissociated is a better word.
Never mind what happened to all the supporting steel core columns! The
energy requirements to do anything like that, alone, rival the total amount
of potential energy that the entire tower had to give. Gravity alone is
sufficient to cause some things to fall that far, even through air, in close
to the observed 10 second collapse time. But that is without the huge
expenditure of energy necessary to pulverize all of that concrete and glass,
eject debris, plus cause the steel core columns to effectively disappear.
The gravitational potential energy present was certainly not enough to have
done all these things at once.
Energy can neither be created nor destroyed; it only changes form. So WHERE
DID ALL THAT ADDITIONAL DESTRUCTIVE ENERGY COME FROM?
Conclusions:
In order for the towers to have collapsed "gravitationally" in the observed
duration, as we've been told over and over again, one or more of the
following zany-sounding conditions must have been met:
* The undamaged structure below the impact zone offered zero resistance to
the collapse.
* The glass and concrete spontaneously disintegrated without any expenditure
of energy.
* The massive vertical steel core columns simply vanished, as if by magic.
* On 9/11 alone, in that location alone, gravity was much stronger than
gravity.
* On 9/11 alone, in that location alone, energy was not conserved.
None of these laws-of-physics-violating, and thus impossible, conditions can
be accounted for by the official government theory of 9/11, nor by any of
the subsequent analyses and arguments designed to prop up this official myth
of 9/11.
The Bottom Line:
The government explanations for the WTC collapses fail the most basic
conservation-of-energy reality check. Therefore the government theory is
FALSE; it does not fit the observed facts, and the notion of a "pancake
collapse" cannot account for what happened. The "pancake collapse"
explanation is impossible, and thus absurd. It is A LIE.
It is utterly impossible for a gravitational collapse to proceed so
destructively through a path of such great resistance in anywhere near
free-fall time. This fact debunks the preposterous contention that the WTC
collapses can be blamed solely upon damage resulting from the plane impacts.
The unnaturally short durations of the top-down collapses reveal that the
towers did not disintegrate because they were coming down, but rather they
came down because something else was causing them to disintegrate.
So, to the extent that people accept the ridiculous "pancake collapse"
story, former CIA Director and current Secretary of Defense Gates' other
premise, that people know what they saw, is also false. It is left to you to
decide if his conclusion, which was based upon clearly incorrect
presumptions, is also flawed.
The collapse of WTC building 7, which was NOT hit by any plane, and which
also collapsed within a second of free-fall time later that same day,
similarly fails the conservation-of-energy analysis. The 9/11 Commission
made no attempt to explain it.
Just how and why so many highly-accredited and credentialed people all so
miserably failed to check the "pancake collapse" theory, by giving it this
basic physics reality check, is beyond the scope of this analysis.
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FURTHER IRREFUTABLE PROOF BY PHYSICS OF THE 9/11 INSIDE JOB:
http://vehme.blogspot.com/2007/12/glaring-proof-of-something-hotter-than.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck's_law_of_black_body_radiation |
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I, Enemy Combatant wrote:
Quote:
In the nation that was founded on "Freedom of Speech," my newsgroups
and post gets snipped in less than two minutes.
Poor kooktard, that is how newsgroups work.
Quote: NORAD could use
government shills like "Animal03-".
<snicker> typical narcissistic kooktard that thinks the government
would be bothered to pay for debunking the kooktard nonsense.
Quote: What kind of an animal are you
anyway, a mongoose?
<YAWN>
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:21:45 -0400, Animal03-
WherewasI at (no spam) yesterday.com> wrote:
YAWN> Same old tale of debunked kooktard claims.......years and years
pass with no evidence......just the same old kooktard nonsense.
rest of kooktard nonsense snipped
DAMN, you're fast.
It is easy to delete nonsense.
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Freedom from Reality Man wrote:
Quote: "I, Enemy Combatant" <antisemite at (no spam) battlefield.usa> wrote in message
news:c14ud55pi0e6nedcupb46nopa2a0u298ig at (no spam) 4ax.com...
In the nation that was founded on "Freedom of Speech," my newsgroups
and post gets snipped in less than two minutes. NORAD could use
government shills like "Animal03-". What kind of an animal are you
anyway, a mongoose?
These are mostly paid government coverup shills; some are simply simple
minds in extreme psychological denial.
Just killfile and ignore them, and continue to present the TRUTH.
SIMPLE PHYSICS is beyond the grasp of freedom from reality man
The poor kooktard freedom from reality man thinks posting the same
debunked crap over and over willl somehow make it come true. |
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:16:15 -0400, Animal03-
<WherewasI at (no spam) yesterday.com> wrote:
Quote: I, Enemy Combatant wrote:
In the nation that was founded on "Freedom of Speech," my newsgroups
and post gets snipped in less than two minutes.
Poor kooktard, that is how newsgroups work.
NORAD could use
government shills like "Animal03-".
snicker> typical narcissistic kooktard that thinks the government
would be bothered to pay for debunking the kooktard nonsense.
Typical CIA netspook reply:
"The government of the nation founded on Freedom of Speech doesn't
spam usenet. Anybody that says it does is a kook."
If you've got the time, little Jew CIA piggie, I've got the bandwidth.
====From the Spook archive===
Message-ID: <199904210556.WAA00182 at (no spam) ahnet.net>
From: Anonymous <Use-Author-Address-Header at (no spam) [127.1]>
Author-Address: nobody <AT> piratech <DOT> net
Date: 21 Apr 1999 06:59:03 -0000
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.drugs.pot.cultivation.no-spooks - I've got
the pHatbitch squealing again!!!
Newsgroups: alt.config
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On Fri, 16 Apr 1999 23:26:01 GMT,
rot13-for-email.>enl... at (no spam) wninarg.pbz<.invalid
(Ray Vanlandingham)
also known as pH, "Just call Me Janet", the dinky donut cop bitch who
spams alt.drugs.pot.cultivation
wrote:
Quote: On 16 Apr 1999 00:30:01 -0000, HyperReal-Anon
nob... at (no spam) sind.hyperreal.art.pl> wrote:
I propose the newgrouping of
Quote: alt.drugs.pot.cultivation.no-spooks
Quote: Methinks all that herb as made you just a tad paranoid, mon ami.
Greetings pHropHessor pH from the pHony pHat pHederal spam land.
Everybody please meet "pH". not a pHleasant pHerson
http://members.tripod.com/spookbusters/s_ph.htm
and a full-time liar as she is now demonstrating here.
This is one of the dumb spammers from the CIA who is responsible for
the propaganda, and probably also the original creation, of
alt.drugs.pot.cultivation.
Quote: CHARTER:
~~~~~~~~
alt.drugs.pot.cultivation.no-spooks would centralise the
discussion of marijuana cultivation without the reader
having to wade through the mountains of "SPOOK SPAM" which
currently bogs-down alt.drugs.pot.cultivation.
Quote: Wanna bet? Ever heard of crossposts?
Gee whiz pHatty.
You sound ever so keen on spamming the new newsgroup already.
The more it pisses you off the more of a good idea the newgrouping
becomes.
Quote: The new
newsgroup would not be moderated. The posting of "Seedbank
Reports", "Seedbank Ratings" and associated demonstrably
worthless government SPAM as per references set out below,
will be absolutely banned.
Quote: And you /really/ think they will care?
Of course you care you silly pHat cow or you wouldn't be posting
all this bullshit trying to stop them starting a no-spooks group
Quote: This proposal could form a
mini-faq for the new group and would in some form be posted
regularly to both the new group, and also to
alt.drugs.pot.cultivation. (Current "homepages" etc. for
alt.drugs.pot.cultivation are under U.S. Government control
["NPK & pH" spooks.])
Yep, definitely paranoid.
Whooa hang on there..
"Spook lie number 1 - you are paranoid"
Standard government flame. Very over-done.
http://members.tripod.com/spookbusters/spooklies.htm
Quote: JUSTIFICATION:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The primary justification for the newgrouping is the blatant
propagandizing of alt.drugs.pot.cultivation by the U.S.
Government intelligence community [Allegedly DEA, but in
this authors opinion, primarily a CIA operation]
Quote: You /really/ think the CIA gives a gold-plated crap about pot smoking?
Get real.
No of course not pHatbitch they don't care, no, no, no, not at all.
Half-million people arrested this year but no the CIA wouldn't care.
CIA never spooks out drug dealers, course not.
durrrrr
You silly bitch of course you care.
That's why you're working for them running all those spook companies
that you spam all day in pHatland, trying to hunt all the pot growers
down.
You're such a moronic pHat bitch you can't even write a single line of
propaganda without disgracing yourself with your own idiocy.
Quote: , which
amongst other nefarious effects has created a newsgroup in
which the majority of posters are U.S. Government propaganda
teams.
While I won't claim that the average government employee wouldn't need
help to post, this is ridiculous.
Your statement is obviously a lie.
Because you are one dumb propaganda artist for the CIA.
Your job is to repeatedly broadcast lies day in day out, just as you
are doing now, in order to control and manipulate the American public.
Although your lie was very obvious, you'll no doubt be spamming it
upon us many, many more times, because that's what you do for a job.
Propaganda - the repeated broadcasting of lies.
Quote: On a day-to-day basis, alt.drugs.pot.cultivation is
being "socially engineered" as a phony "Community" which
defeats the object of having an open discussion forum.
Quote: But of course, your new group will be different. That whole
'no-spooks' thing will send them scurrying away, quivering in
indignation. Or not.
I think that spooks like yourself are damn shit scared of the idea
of alt.drugs.pot.cultivation.no-spooks.
We can see that this is true because of these lies right here that you
are spamming into alt.config, desperately trying to quell the
inevitable migration of those thinking people who can see through your
lies, moving away from alt.drugs.pot.cultivation which you like to
call your home.
Quote: The
end result for unlucky participants is at best having to
wade through gigantic quantities of fake conversations and
SPAM, being massively flamed by an endless supply of
government spammers if one dares to post even a simple piece
of common sense, and at worst, being tracked down and
arrested by law-enforcement.
Heh.
heh?
"heh heh heh" pHatty?
(she says this all the time, she says "heh heh heh me thinks" all day)
Well me thinks the pHatbitch got excited at the word "arrested"
She calls that a "result" when she lures a grower into her little pHat
trap.
Never mind if they have cancer or anything, or are using pot to
relieve the pain of some terminal illness.
This bitch will narc on anybody for anything.
For the newbies, this bitch works with "sunny", who's been proved a
cop, no escape for sunny. He's fucked.
http://members.tripod.com/spookbusters/squealers.htm
Quote: After countless hundreds of flame wars, and in the face of
massive opposition by regular readers, lurkers and posters
alike, the spooks continue to deny reality and fill
alt.drugs.pot.cultivation with an on-going barrage of
propaganda, which is wholly counter-productive to the
intentions and requirements of the groups genuine readers.
And you're surprised?
I'm not surprised there are pHat idiots like you spamming
alt.drugs.pot.cultivation.
But this is irrelevant to the original issue.
Note how the pHat propaganda artist just has to post *something* in
reply to every point which they are pretending to rebut, although
actually she is not making any valid points, she is simply
broadcasting propaganda in an attempt to discredit her adversary,
dilute the discussion, and generally just socially engineer for the
government.
Quote: As the spook teams continually invent new and increasingly
ridiculous fake spamming characters masquerading as "genuine
readers", the group is awash with propaganda, nonsense, and
SPAM.
And of course, they will just laugh at the '.no-spooks', think "Wow,
these pot-heads are total idiots", and cross-post.
You might cross-post, but whether you do or not is irrelevant.
The point is that you think you have some divine right to spam
pot.cultivation.
We can read in the "spooks archives" all about the pompous attitudes
of yourself and all your other pHat little pig pHriends who sit on
a.d.p.c all day claiming and propagandizing that you have some god
given right to spam your stupid bullshit "reports" in our faces all
day.
You would certainly not have such an easy task in creating your
propaganda messages in a group setup for the purpose of discussion
*without* your pathetic spam and social engineering.
Quote: After several years of propagandizing this newsgroup the
spooks are obviously not intentioned on giving it up, not at
all, for to do so would be tantamount to admitting that they
are, in fact, spooks. (Even though this has already been
proven.)
"he's got a pigsty full of them. All identical.
wee wee weee wee. All the way home."
http://members.tripod.com/spookbusters/allthewayhome.wav
Warning here comes pHatty on full song
Quote: BTW, spooks are /intel/ agents, not anti-drug agents. I've met real
spooks, and my personal impression was that most of them probably
smoke pot. A certain flight across the Atlantic with a radio-weenie
and a lot of tequila comes to mind. (fond memories) 
Absolute bullshit.
Of course you know spooks. You're a spook. All your pHriends are
spooks, no one else would hang with a smelly traitor like you pHatty
girlie.
Quote: The root of the problem is very likely the
propaganda-promoted notion that the SPAM itself is an
established and integral part of alt.drugs.pot.cultivation.
And will, quite rapidly, become an established and integral part of
the .no-spooks version.
Gee whiz. You're really good at predicting the pHuture propHessor.
The more certain you appear to be that you are intent on destroying a
no-spooks group, the more and more it becomes appealing to set one up
and make you squeal for it.
Quote: In these circumstances it's hereby suggested that the only
sensible thing to do is to leave them to it by creating a
new newsgroup:
alt.drugs.pot.cultivation.no-spooks
Quote: where the types of phony posts the spooks are so intent on
broadcasting, are specifically banned, from the very
beginning
Quote: And you expect them to care. How naive. It's kinda cute.
Silly pHatty you just can't get it can you.
Whether you care or not is irrelevant.
It throws a stick in the wheel of your propaganda machine.
Which makes you squeal. We all enjoy it when you squeal.
Quote: ("Seedbank reports, Seedbank Ratings Systems", etc., etc.,)
are simply banned as worthless, self-evident SPAM.
What a great idea. But pHatty is going to try and steer this
conversation off-topic again, and get away from the facts presented
which she obviously doesn't like:
Quote: Actually, I seem to remember a lot of info about the traits of various
strains, and about the annual 'smoke-off' or whatever they call it,
the last time I picked up a copy of 'High Times'.
Irrelevant.
Your "Seedbank reports, Seedbank Ratings Systems", etc., etc.,
have been proven to be spam by spookbusters.
You are a spammer, like it or not you smell of pork and ham spam.
Quote: We should be left with a relatively spam-free message forum,
when this is clearly incorporated into the charter of the
new newsgroup.
So you'll whine 'you're breaking the charter' and they'll respond
'so?', and in six months you'll be asking for
alt.drugs.pot.cultivation.no-spooks.and-we-really-mean-it-this-time.
I won't be asking for anything. I would be too busy watching
spooks like you squealing away pathetically trying to tell everybody
that you aint a spook, when you are. Just like you're doing now.
Quote: It is also proposed that a list of the worst offenders in
alt.drugs.pot.cultivation (e.g. Sunny, Ph, Greenman, et al)
is compiled and also banned from the new newsgroup.
And how are you going to ban someone from a non-moderated group?
Banning can just be a matter of making spooks like you unwelcome
before you begin to build your pHony community
Then even when you have been exposed like you have now in
alt.drugs.pot.cultivation,
you cannot cling to the pHony self-delusion that you have any sort of
authority or the credibility which you so desperately crave in order
to get trust and then narc on people.
You PHatty will pHind it harder to propagandize and engineer a new
group created for the purpose of making it harder for you to deceive
not only the readers but yourself.
It must be harder phatty because this is why you are doing all this
squealing trying to out-argue the new group. I don't think you're
going to stop it.
Quote: Although
the spooks could change names to post in the new group, this
may have some considerable effect: the spooks are largely
addicted to regular alt.drugs.pot.cultivation handles, in
the mistaken belief that they have built "credibility" by
years of spamming cut-and-paste from books in the name of
"providing good information", and answering their own fake
questions to give an air of authority to their "characters".
Or maybe you're just paranoid. Toked much lately?
Yawn. Irrelevant piece of spook propaganda.
"Spook lie number 1 - you are paranoid"
Standard government flame. Very over-done.
http://members.tripod.com/spookbusters/spooklies.htm
Quote: Spooks might think "Oh no problem. I'll just invent a new
name, build some credibility in alt.drugs.pot.cultivation.no-
spooks, then go straight back to alt.drugs.pot.cultivation
and 'cash-in' my 'credibility' by spamming for a seedbank."
Grow up.
Ah pHatty they touched a Phat nerve there didn't they because
they got you squealing.
That's Exactly the kind of childish games you spooks play isn't it.
And seeing your silly little plans laid out in front of you,
pre-empted, and ridiculed, is just too much for you.
This is the manifestation of your characteristic stupidity.
Quote: We can stop them from doing that by adopting a policy that
alt.drugs.pot.cultivation.no-spooks and membership of the
newsgroup is itself indicative of rejection of part of
alt.drugs.pot.cultivation - the spook spam part of it.
Damn it, I mean it. Grow up.
oooh phatty's pHlapping aren't you phatty.
They've got you in a right pHlap now because you can see hard times
ahead.
We like to hear you squeal pHatty piggy
wheeeeeeeeeeeeee
wheeeeeeeeeeeeee
You're squealing like the pHat pig that you are.
Quote: Anybody spamming in alt.drugs.pot.cultivation would therefore
not recieve a nice welcome if they try to infiltrate
alt.drugs.pot.cultivation.no-spooks
So, you're implying that they 'do' get one now.
You've already convinced yourselves that you are somehow welcome in
alt.drugs.pot.cultivation.
You have put up large propaganda web sites like this:
http://members.tripod.com/~maxi_scrog/
preaching that your spam "reports" have value and you are not spooks.
Obviously this isn't true. Your spam "Reports" have been proved
absolutely worthless and you have been proven to be a spook.
Do not pass go, do not collect $200, you are pHinished propHessor.
I love watching the pHat propHessor when she gets angry.
Doesn't she squeal like the stupid, pHat piece of pork that she is.
Fire up the barbeque! I'm having the FULL ROAST!
Quote: References:
deleted because pointless
Oh but pHatty you are squealing.
Let's repeat them and see if your pHat ass will squeal again:
-----BEGIN QUOTED COMMON SENSE-----
References:
1) 2000Students -
http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Field/8042/index.html
Cutting dissection of "Seedbank SPAM" being relentlessly
pumped into alt.drugs.pot.cultivation by spooks such as
"Sunny". Comments on the "insidious" nature of the
social-engineering:
"...with the spammers putting "real-looking" names, into
their (totally anonymous and untraceable) messages, and
building their spam into message-threads with subject
titles not directly related ..." etc.
2) Spookbusters - http://members.tripod.com/~spookbusters/
Including news archives from alt.drugs.pot.cultivation,
the Spookbusters is a sizable, definitive and
authoritative text which among other hilarious and
noteworthy achievements, has obtained PGP-signed
evidence that alt.drugs.pot.cultivation is playing host
to a massive government propaganda,
intelligence-gathering and social-engineering
anti-marijuana "STING" (AKA "Sunny Greenman")
"The nature of the alt.drugs.pot.cultivation group is a
heavily funded government spam in which a very few
cannabis cultivators manage to discuss their work
inbetween the "seedbank promotions", "fake
conversations", "fake Q & A's" and "soap operas" between
the false characters, and other relentless police
spamming." etc.
3) SORM - http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/research/sorm.htm
A short but chilling article detailing [what appears to
be] cryptographic design weaknesses etc. of the FBI
contractors proxy system at www.lpwa.com allegedly being
used in alt.drugs.pot.cultivation to track-down it's
readers as part of the global UKUSA "Echelon"
intelligence gathering system.
"Cannabis seedbanks are rated by D.E.A. agents
(probably) who send volumes of fictional and misleading
messages to Usenet news groups including
alt.drugs.pot.cultivation. Possibly this particular
Usenet group was created by the DEA.... ...The e-mail
addresses of prospective cannabis/marijuana purchasers,
or just individuals complaining or attempting to provide
comments for seedbank ratings, are collected at web
sites or by e-mail, and in connection with names such as
"Green Man", "Sunny"..." etc.
-----END QUOTED COMMON SENSE-----
I bet you're squealing again aren't you now, pHat cow.
Quote: NUMERICAL JUSTIFICATION:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dejanews searches are of little use in assessing the damage
done to alt.drugs.pot.cultivation by government propaganda
artists.
Then you admit there's no justification for creating a new group?
Ah, so, pHatty, you are finally admitting that's why you put those
X-No-Archives in the headers.
So nobody can use DejaNews to prove, even to your sweaty pHat pHace,
that you spam all day.
Spookbusters pHucked you by archiving the pHucking lot didn't they
Phatty.
Quote: Why'd you ask, then?
More evasion and denial by the pHat propHessor.
Nobody's asking you for anything you slut.
Quote: The government empowers itself, and disempowers the public,
through use and encouragement of the X-No-Archive header.
ROTFL.
more like
PH-SLAP
"pHatty Ho. - Squealing Like A Pig"
Because that's true isn't it propHessor.
Quote: This results in the public being unable to search archives.
The government of course has full logs of everything.
So keep your own damn archive.
Ooohhh ooo slap slap bitching squealer.
You stupid, lame, pHat, cop whore.
You did not answer, nor even attempt to rebut the point.
You are just, and note "JUST", a very stupid government propaganda
artist. That is all.
Quote: One can generally look at alt.drugs.pot.cultivation, shut
one's eyes, point to a post, and be sure that more likely
than not, we are pointing at a U.S. Government propaganda
message of one kind, or another.
Prove it.
It has been proven you silly pHat cow
http://members.tripod.com/spookbusters/
Quote: Following the "good advice"
of the "character" selected, over time, will generally
result in one's e-mail address, postal address, credit card
number or telephone number being disclosed to the U.S
Government along with the information that you are perhaps
interested in growing pot.
Yeah, and they keep a list of High Times subscribers too. Get a clue.
Not high times, but certainly you spooks control Cannabis Canada
magazine.
Spookbusters has linked Cannabis Canada magazine to the government .
And its editor "Dana Larsen" has been supporting your lame crippled
government propaganda site "yahooka.com".
Proof-
Date: 1999/01/12
Forum: alt.drugs.pot
Posted on: 1999/01/12
Message-ID: <muggles-1201990209510... at (no spam) pme191.sunshine.net>
Quote: Lacking a clearly defined charter, and being populated,
dominated, and probably even initially created by the U.S.
Government, the alt.drugs.pot.cultivation newsgroup is way,
way beyond hope. The government wants it, and they're going
to keep spamming it, every day, forever.
Let's have a clean start!
Quote: You won't. Don't bother.
ooooooo spit spit hiss bitch slap
Such certainty and authority in your pHony pHuture predictions and
orders.
Quote: Hereby proposed then is
alt.drugs.pot.cultivation.no-spooks
Quote: For the discussion of pot cultivation information, with No
Spooks and No SPAM.
Quote: Too long. *TILT* Try again.
This aint no pin ball machine bitch.
Quote: Copies posted to several alt.drugs groups and separately to
alt.config. This is not a request for votes, please do not
send VOTES on this issue to alt.config. Because of
alt.drugs.pot.cultivation being the home to fraudulent
government "seedbank voting systems" and the evident
tendency for the spooks to conjure up an unlimited number of
"genuine supporters", feedback is not encouraged in the form
of "votes"....... Serious contributors (not spooks) please
reply in the alt.config newsgroup
At least that was clueful.
Of course pHorensic PropHessor, you admit you think your detective
work found a clue.
Because you being a little pHat-ass pig whore, saw the
words "votes" and thought "i can spam I can SPAM, me me me me,
look at me everybody, I'm so clever"
until you realized you couldn't, at which point you had to at least
admit that you had been outwitted, as usual.
Now pHatty. Which "character" have you invented today to spam with?
Oh lets see here, an eastern provider, the obligatory spook PGP key,
a rot-13 encryption to make it look oh so "original",
and a slutty little joke that's so bad, only a spook would be stupid
enough to laugh.
Quote: --
Ray Vanlandingham
rot13-for-email.enl... at (no spam) wninarg.pbz.invalid
PGP Key ID 0xB3F5CC18, available on ldap://certserver.pgp.com/
This message was written with pixels containing at least 40% post-consumer recycled electrons.
Silly cow.
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