On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 05:56:05 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
grammatim at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote:

You asked me to cite sources that 'a pregnant  received a sumons for
sitting on the steps leading to a subway  station andwhere 'another
person received a ticket for sitting on a milk crate.'

No, I did not. I asked for evidence _that Bloomberg ordered tickets to
be issued for sitting on steps or crates_.

And I did.

No, what you found was evidence that Bloomberg asked the police to
discourage loitering on the streets, and the way _they chose to
implement his request_ was by ticketing people they perceived as
loitering.

And now you're complaining about it.  Why is that?

Because you didn't show that Bloomberg ordered the ticketing of people
sitting on steps or crates.

I was going to attach audio files that I personally recorded of
Bloomberg ordering the police to 'ticket everybody sitting on milk
crates and public stairs,' but someone stole it late one night.

Bloomberg ordered the police to issue more tickets to raise revenue
for NYC.

On Sep 28, 3:05 pm, Phil <doggl... at (no spam) yahoooo.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 05:56:05 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"





gramma... at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote:
You asked me to cite sources that 'a pregnant  received a sumons for
sitting on the steps leading to a subway  station andwhere 'another
person received a ticket for sitting on a milk crate.'

No, I did not. I asked for evidence _that Bloomberg ordered tickets to
be issued for sitting on steps or crates_.

And I did.

No, what you found was evidence that Bloomberg asked the police to
discourage loitering on the streets, and the way _they chose to
implement his request_ was by ticketing people they perceived as
loitering.

And now you're complaining about it.  Why is that?

Because you didn't show that Bloomberg ordered the ticketing of people
sitting on steps or crates.

I was going to attach audio files that I personally recorded of
Bloomberg ordering the police to 'ticket everybody sitting on milk
crates and public stairs,' but someone stole it late one night.

Bloomberg ordered the police to issue more tickets to raise revenue
for NYC.

What's your evidence that he did so?

While a grace period would be nice, I wouldn't blame cops and meter
maids for ticketing at the beginning of the prohibited period. Once
the street sweeper is there, it's too late.

Jimmy <JimmyGeldburg at (no spam) mailinator.com> wrote:
While a grace period would be nice, I wouldn't blame cops and meter
maids for ticketing at the beginning of the prohibited period. Once
the street sweeper is there, it's too late.

A grace period seems utterly useless. If one were instituted,
then you'd have people complaining that they they got ticketed
as soon as the grace period ended.

In my neighborhood, the grace period is five minutes after alternate

On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:32:53 +0000 (UTC), steveo at (no spam) panix.com (Steven M.
O'Neill) wrote:

Jimmy <JimmyGeldburg at (no spam) mailinator.com> wrote:
While a grace period would be nice, I wouldn't blame cops and meter
maids for ticketing at the beginning of the prohibited period. Once
the street sweeper is there, it's too late.

A grace period seems utterly useless. If one were instituted,
then you'd have people complaining that they they got ticketed
as soon as the grace period ended.

In my neighborhood, the grace period is five minutes after alternate
side starts and the last five minutes of the alternate side time. In
the last five minutes, the streets have already been clean and
everyone is sitting in their cars (for as long as thirty minutes)
waiting for alternate side to end.

I can't imagine I'm in the only neighborhood like this.