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AgitProp wrote:
On Nov 20, 12:40 am, "SPierce" <ecre... at (no spam) bigpond.net.au> wrote:
"Farmer Giles" <Gi... at (no spam) nospam.com> wrote in message

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(snipped)

Excellent analysis, Jon, I agree with every word of it.
Except that he is mixing up the Islamic madness as being * caused * by
Jews.
The problems with Jews are not the same as the problem with Islam.
It's
not an analysis at all.

Even if Jews did not exist the Islamic madness would still be to kill
Infidels. They actually tell you it is their purpose in life and yet
for
some psychological reason it's overlooked and the Jews are tagged on as
the
cause of them wanting to kill us. It's really a problem of the Western
Mind.
The guy is looking through the lens of the local situation - which is
the one that is relevant. the jews are responsible
for all the animosity that Brits get from Moslems.
It's the Joooos, it's the Joooos, run away run away, it's the Joooos...


hi w in your quater staff practice sessions i think you have taken to many
to the head.Or are you a jewish propagandist posinng as one of us as they
often do?

On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 05:46:41 -0800 (PST), Jon° <rays... at (no spam) yahoo.co.uk
wrote:





On Nov 19, 12:07 pm, abelard <abela... at (no spam) abelard.org> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:00:11 -0000, "Farmer Giles" <Gi... at (no spam) nospam.com
wrote:

"Jon°" <rays... at (no spam) yahoo.co.uk> copied in message

[ab
stolen part removed]

As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only
two groups that count in containing the clash of civilisations that is
looming:

1. The Zionist Jews of Israel who have stolen Palestinian lands and
who have treated the Arab Palestinians like vermin……..And the world-
wide conspiracy of Zionist financial power and control that has
helped this process.

2. The Islamic fundamentalists, who have used the holocaust that the
Zionists have launched upon Muslim Palestinians, to fire the Muslims
of the world into becoming a threat to world peace.

It is the governing  Zionist Jews of Israel  who have provoked the
rise of Islamic terrorism by the disgusting and degrading way they
have treated the Palestinian Muslims. The Zionists who are in control
of much of the media in many western countries have helped hide this
from general attention. They too must be brought to heel, western
governments must stop allowing Zionist financial power to control
their foreign policies.

If the Israeli Zionist government was made to act in a civilised and
democratic way to all the people of the areas they control, both Arabs
and Jews, the rise of Islamic terrorism could be nipped in the bud
overnight.........Will Obama move toward this?.......Not on your life……
Whilst the Zionists lobby that supports him in America (similarly to
the socialists in Britain) is allowed to continue to control the
American way of life.

Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just passes
this post without thinking about what is involved, is contributing to
the passiveness that allows the problems to expand.  Let us hope that
thousands, world wide, read this and think about it, and begin acting
against fundamental Islamic terrorism and Zionist- Jewish financially
controlled political  power……..Before it is too late.

______________________________________________

Excellent analysis, Jon, I agree with every word of it.

Get ready for the usual abuse, from the usual suspects!

does your foolish post refer to the coherent piece he copied or
    to the usual mindless tripe he added to the end?
One does realise that you resent any other poster making coherent
posts about world turbulence

you didn't...you copied.stole the coherent bit

monkface……………

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On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:16:06 -0000, "Farmer Giles" <Gi... at (no spam) nospam.com
wrote:

"abelard" <abela... at (no spam) abelard.org> wrote in message

does your foolish post refer to the coherent piece he copied or
   to the usual mindless tripe he added to the end?

There is no 'mindless tripe', only good common sense.

so you can't even tell the difference!

Indeed I can. Enough to know that posting 'mindless tripe' is just about all
you ever do.



Try looking through
the telescope with the other eye - assuming they're not both blind to
reality!

i did not require confirmation that you are a fool...

What an imbecile like you requires, or not, is a matter of complete
indifference to me - or to anyone else with an ounce of sense.

A person who makes accusations without an atom of proof is not worth
an unfrocked monk's wank.
Suggestion

On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:57:08 -0800 (PST), Jon° <rays... at (no spam) yahoo.co.uk
wrote:

snip nazi nonsense

Another offensive nazi dumbfuck peddling silly lies about "jooz"
controlling the world.

As usual, nazis argue in favour of the genocide of Jews in the middle
east as a "solution" for terrorism.  In other words, their "cure" for
terrorism is more terror against civilians.

On Nov 19, 8:38 pm, abelard <abela... at (no spam) abelard.org> wrote:



On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 05:46:41 -0800 (PST), Jon° <rays... at (no spam) yahoo.co.uk
wrote:

On Nov 19, 12:07 pm, abelard <abela... at (no spam) abelard.org> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:00:11 -0000, "Farmer Giles" <Gi... at (no spam) nospam.com
wrote:

"Jon°" <rays... at (no spam) yahoo.co.uk> copied in message

[ab
stolen part removed]

As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only
two groups that count in containing the clash of civilisations that is
looming:

1. The Zionist Jews of Israel who have stolen Palestinian lands and
who have treated the Arab Palestinians like vermin……..And the world-
wide conspiracy of Zionist financial power and control that has
helped this process.

2. The Islamic fundamentalists, who have used the holocaust that the
Zionists have launched upon Muslim Palestinians, to fire the Muslims
of the world into becoming a threat to world peace.

It is the governing  Zionist Jews of Israel  who have provoked the
rise of Islamic terrorism by the disgusting and degrading way they
have treated the Palestinian Muslims. The Zionists who are in control
of much of the media in many western countries have helped hide this
from general attention. They too must be brought to heel, western
governments must stop allowing Zionist financial power to control
their foreign policies.

If the Israeli Zionist government was made to act in a civilised and
democratic way to all the people of the areas they control, both Arabs
and Jews, the rise of Islamic terrorism could be nipped in the bud
overnight.........Will Obama move toward this?.......Not on your life……
Whilst the Zionists lobby that supports him in America (similarly to
the socialists in Britain) is allowed to continue to control the
American way of life.

Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just passes
this post without thinking about what is involved, is contributing to
the passiveness that allows the problems to expand.  Let us hope that
thousands, world wide, read this and think about it, and begin acting
against fundamental Islamic terrorism and Zionist- Jewish financially
controlled political  power……..Before it is too late.

______________________________________________

Excellent analysis, Jon, I agree with every word of it.

Get ready for the usual abuse, from the usual suspects!

does your foolish post refer to the coherent piece he copied or
    to the usual mindless tripe he added to the end?
One does realise that you resent any other poster making coherent
posts about world turbulence

you didn't...you copied.stole the coherent bit

monkface……………

--
web site atwww.abelard.org-news comment service, logic, economics
 energy, education, politics, etc over 1 million document calls in year past
---------------------------------------------------------------------------­-----
  all that is necessary for       []     walk quietly and carry
  the triumph of evil is that     []           a big stick.
  good people do nothing     []    trust actions not words
                    only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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A person who makes accusations without an atom of proof is not worth
an unfrocked monk's wank.

A person who makes accusations without an atom of proof is not worth
an unfrocked monk's wank.

On Nov 19, 9:12 pm, "Farmer Giles" <Gi... at (no spam) nospam.com> wrote:
"abelard" <abela... at (no spam) abelard.org> wrote in message

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On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:16:06 -0000, "Farmer Giles" <Gi... at (no spam) nospam.com
wrote:

"abelard" <abela... at (no spam) abelard.org> wrote in message

does your foolish post refer to the coherent piece he copied or
   to the usual mindless tripe he added to the end?

There is no 'mindless tripe', only good common sense.

so you can't even tell the difference!

Indeed I can. Enough to know that posting 'mindless tripe' is just about all
you ever do.



Try looking through
the telescope with the other eye - assuming they're not both blind to
reality!

i did not require confirmation that you are a fool...

What an imbecile like you requires, or not, is a matter of complete
indifference to me - or to anyone else with an ounce of sense.

Farmer, you are right, this clown is not worth considering.........He
is a falsifying liar and a cheat without brains or integrity.

You contempt for traditional Western martial arts and English culture is
noted.

On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:45:33 -0800 (PST), Jon° <raystap at (no spam) yahoo.co.uk
wrote:


A person who makes accusations without an atom of proof is not worth
an unfrocked monk's wank.


you're thief jonathon star
http://tinyurl.com/ybz9fd9

William Black wrote:

You contempt for traditional Western martial arts and English culture
is noted.

*crying tears of laughter*

Jon° wrote:
A man, whose family was part of the German aristocracy prior to the
rise of Nazi power, owned a number of large industries and estates. He
was asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave
can guide our attitude toward fanaticism. 'Very few people were true
Nazis,' he said, 'but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and
many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought
the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and
let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had
lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost
everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies
destroyed my factories.'

We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that
Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims
just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be
true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to
make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectra of
fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.

The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It
is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50
shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically
slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are
gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is
the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honour-kill. It is the
fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who
zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and
homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to
become suicide bombers.

The hard quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent
majority,' is cowed and extraneous. As Communist Russia was. It was
comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the
Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million
people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.

China's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists
managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.

The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a
warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way
across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the
systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by
sword, shovel, and bayonet.

And, who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it
not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving'?

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our
powers of reason we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of
points: Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their
silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't
speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one
day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world
will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs,
Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many
others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until
it was too late.

As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only
two groups that count in containing the clash of civilisations that is
looming:

1. The Zionist Jews of Israel who have stolen Palestinian lands and
who have treated the Arab Palestinians like vermin……..And the world-
wide conspiracy of Zionist financial power and control that has
helped this process.

2. The Islamic fundamentalists, who have used the holocaust that the
Zionists have launched upon Muslim Palestinians, to fire the Muslims
of the world into becoming a threat to world peace.

It is the governing Zionist Jews of Israel who have provoked the
rise of Islamic terrorism by the disgusting and degrading way they
have treated the Palestinian Muslims. The Zionists who are in control
of much of the media in many western countries have helped hide this
from general attention. They too must be brought to heel, western
governments must stop allowing Zionist financial power to control
their foreign policies.

If the Israeli Zionist government was made to act in a civilised and
democratic way to all the people of the areas they control, both Arabs
and Jews, the rise of Islamic terrorism could be nipped in the bud
overnight.........Will Obama move toward this?.......Not on your life……
Whilst the Zionists lobby that supports him in America (similarly to
the socialists in Britain) is allowed to continue to control the
American way of life.

Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just passes
this post without thinking about what is involved, is contributing to
the passiveness that allows the problems to expand. Let us hope that
thousands, world wide, read this and think about it, and begin acting
against fundamental Islamic terrorism and Zionist- Jewish financially
controlled political power……..Before it is too late.



"If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we

Lets see if I've got this right:

1. The Muslims are at war with the world in fifty conflicts.
No you are using the jewish tactic of lying.

2. The Muslim fanatics are driving the Muslim communities of the world
into these wars.

goodneess no jewish fanatics??

3. It's all the fault of the Jews, because, erm, the fanatical Muslims
are at war with them as well...So you are jewish hmmm you call it war?

--
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat single
handed with a quarterstaff.

On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:49:57 -0800 (PST), Jon° <rays... at (no spam) yahoo.co.uk
wrote:





On Nov 19, 9:12 pm, "Farmer Giles" <Gi... at (no spam) nospam.com> wrote:
"abelard" <abela... at (no spam) abelard.org> wrote in message

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On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:16:06 -0000, "Farmer Giles" <Gi... at (no spam) nospam.com
wrote:

"abelard" <abela... at (no spam) abelard.org> wrote in message

does your foolish post refer to the coherent piece he copied or
   to the usual mindless tripe he added to the end?

There is no 'mindless tripe', only good common sense.

so you can't even tell the difference!

Indeed I can. Enough to know that posting 'mindless tripe' is just about all
you ever do.

Try looking through
the telescope with the other eye - assuming they're not both blind to
reality!

i did not require confirmation that you are a fool...

What an imbecile like you requires, or not, is a matter of complete
indifference to me - or to anyone else with an ounce of sense.

Farmer, you are right, this clown is not worth considering.........He
is a falsifying liar and a cheat without brains or integrity.

you're a thief jonathon starhttp://tinyurl.com/ybz9fd9

--
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 energy, education, politics, etc over 1 million document calls in year past
---------------------------------------------------------------------------­-----
  all that is necessary for       []     walk quietly and carry
  the triumph of evil is that     []           a big stick.
  good people do nothing     []    trust actions not words
                    only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:59:17 +0000, William Black

william.bl... at (no spam) hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Lets see if I've got this right:

1.  The Muslims are at war with the world in fifty conflicts.

2.  The Muslim fanatics are driving the Muslim communities of the world
into these wars.

3.  It's all the fault of the Jews,  because,  erm,  the fanatical
Muslims are at war with them as well...

Apparently.  I can only assume this is taught as part the Nazi 101
syllabus ... the basic freshman course taught at Racist Dumbfuck
University

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(snipped)
While it is true to say that Islam would be a problem with or without
Jews, it cannot be denied that much - if not all - of today's Islamic
terrorism is directly related to the Israeli treatment of the
Palestinians.

You are wanting two bob each way.   Either Islam is toxic hatred of non
believers , or it isn't.  Which is it?

What are you talking about? Are you saying that Muslim terrorism has nothing
to do with the plight of the Palestinians?

Jews are incidental...just one more excuse to vent spleen.

Jews are incidental to what? You are either being extremely naive, or are -
for whatever reason - attempting to use some very dishonest sophistry.

They have been

doing it to...let me see...the last big slaughter I think was the
Armenians...before that it was the Vienese.

What exactly is your point here?

Neither can it be denied that Jewish influence and power have played a
large part in encouraging the movement of vast numbers of Muslims to
Western Europe.

Again, not true.  Muslims just want the Western goodies they see on TV.
Like the Africans.

Perhaps, although they do seem somewhat intent on taking us back to the Dark
Ages if that's the case. However, be that is it may, Jewish power and the
Jewish media have both worked assiduously to create a multicultural Britain
and a multicultural Europe. If that power and influence had worked in the
opposite direction, we would have far fewer problems now.

But like a shark will go into a frenzy at the slightest whiff of
blood...so Muslims are so hysterical in nature that they have no control
over their mind when someone focuses it for them...like a cartoonist.
This is a different phenomenon to that of the Jesuit in the Inquisition.
The Jesuit was highly LOGICAL...they were Schoolmen and thoroughly
conversant in Aristotelian Logic.   It was the logic that was so dangerous
to dissenters.
With Islam it's some blind emotional reaction to anything critical...as
though there is actually something missing in the synapses connecting with
each other.  Perhaps there is.  Perhaps their close family breeding with
each other has permanently affected them.  Jews just act as the prompter
of violence because they are nearest and in the news more.  When they wipe
the Jews off  the map...we are next.

We are possibly next whichever side wins. They are both dangerous to us -
that's the whole point!

One could not have said it any better!
...and while Moslems are still a potential future threat - jews have
done us and continue to do irreversible damage.