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Beam Me Up Scotty...

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:47 am

Guest

# controlussenate I am about to start down the long road toward gaining
public support for repealing the 17th amendment to the US Constitution.
about 2 hours ago from web

# Dennis_normal dennisllynn Reading the 17th Amendment today...
http://bit.ly/2hJds7 In my opinion one of the worst changes to
government in our history. about 23 hours ago from TweetDeck

# Green_6329_biker_dude_normal Johnny_Helms Why the 17th Amendment
should be repealed: Opposing arguments can be easily found as well:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/09/ 1 day ago from web

# Default_profile_4_normal khanumsofia RT at (no spam) tweetmeme Constitutional
Reforms and 17th Amendment - pakistani http://tinyurl.com/y9g99u2 2 days
ago from TweetMeme

# Rhp_facebook_1_normal LibertyThought The Revolution of 1913:
http://mises.org/media/4218 via at (no spam) addthis - Tom DiLorenzo talking on
Federal Reserve, Income Tax, 17th Amendment 6 days ago from web

# 1776w-atcomwhit_normal LiberalCon at (no spam) sonof_liberty II I know you've been
on it against the 17th Amendment; so you would rather have our Senators
appointed? 6 days ago from TweetDeck

# Dpathar_normal atharpk Nawaz to urge Gilani to act speedily on 17th
Amendment http://bit.ly/2oANRm 7 days ago from WP to Twitter

# Trav_normal sshb Wtf! What was the pourpose of the 17th amendment 7
days ago from txt

# Whtiger_normal Seriou Got some sleep, Totally ready 4 an ass kicking

#tcot RT at (no spam) ErnieFowlke: at (no spam) Seriou The 17th Amendment all but destroyed
Representative democracy 7 days ago from TweetDeck

# Image_normal justinrwright I dreamed about Kristen Stewart all. Night.
Long. Doug dreamed about his paper and the 17th amendment. 7 days ago
from Tweetie

# Dsci0189_normal Rosie21 Anyone wanna do my history coursework on the
17th amendment??? at (no spam) jmlares? lol 8 days ago from TweetDeck

# Twitter_normal lindseyburke03 Scalia: 17th amendment most destructive
amendment ever passed. 8 days ago from mobile web

# Erodingmtnsmlwscrptr_normal profoundian at (no spam) sonof_liberty Care to clarify
how 17th amendment weakens 10th? 8 days ago from web

# James_madison_normal Federalist84 at (no spam) savethiscountry Tenth Amendment
really took a hit w/ passage of 17th. Repeal 17 and 10th will enjoy
comeback. (via at (no spam) sonof_liberty ) 9 days ago from TweetDeck

# Sonof_liberty_normal sonof_liberty Tenth Amendment really took a hit
w/ passage of 17th. Repeal 17 and 10th will enjoy comeback.
at (no spam) Federalist84 9 days ago from Power Twitter

Jerry Okamura...

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:53 pm

Guest

Only to be replaced by someone with the same mindset at the previous
Senator?

"Beam Me Up Scotty" <Then-Destroy-Everything at (no spam) Talk-n-dog.com> wrote in
message news:4B041701.3080600 at (no spam) Talk-n-dog.com...

Quote:

BDR529...

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:47 pm

Guest

Could you summarize in 1 or 2 lines what the 17th amendment is about?

Q

Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:

Quote:

Jeff Strickland...

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:56 pm

Guest

The 17th Amendment says you and I get to vote for our Senators instead of
having them appointed by the State Legislature.

Before 17 was passed, the US Senate was filled by appointment -- you and I
were represented by people we did not vote for, they were appointed by
people that some of us had voted for once upon a time. It was found that the
State Legislature might have interests divergent from the will of the
people, and elected representatives are thought to serve us better than
appointed ones.

The 17th moves the selection of US Senators out from behind closed doors in
the halls of the State House and into the ballot box.

"BDR529" <el at (no spam) wood> wrote in message
news:4b04412a$0$22936$e4fe514c at (no spam) news.xs4all.nl...

Quote:

Could you summarize in 1 or 2 lines what the 17th amendment is about?

Q

Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
# controlussenate I am about to start down the long road toward gaining
public support for repealing the 17th amendment to the US Constitution.
about 2 hours ago from web

# Dennis_normal dennisllynn Reading the 17th Amendment today...
http://bit.ly/2hJds7 In my opinion one of the worst changes to
government in our history. about 23 hours ago from TweetDeck

# Green_6329_biker_dude_normal Johnny_Helms Why the 17th Amendment
should be repealed: Opposing arguments can be easily found as well:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/09/ 1 day ago from web

# Default_profile_4_normal khanumsofia RT at (no spam) tweetmeme Constitutional
Reforms and 17th Amendment - pakistani http://tinyurl.com/y9g99u2 2 days
ago from TweetMeme

# Rhp_facebook_1_normal LibertyThought The Revolution of 1913:
http://mises.org/media/4218 via at (no spam) addthis - Tom DiLorenzo talking on
Federal Reserve, Income Tax, 17th Amendment 6 days ago from web

# 1776w-atcomwhit_normal LiberalCon at (no spam) sonof_liberty II I know you've been
on it against the 17th Amendment; so you would rather have our Senators
appointed? 6 days ago from TweetDeck

# Dpathar_normal atharpk Nawaz to urge Gilani to act speedily on 17th
Amendment http://bit.ly/2oANRm 7 days ago from WP to Twitter

# Trav_normal sshb Wtf! What was the pourpose of the 17th amendment 7
days ago from txt

# Whtiger_normal Seriou Got some sleep, Totally ready 4 an ass kicking

#tcot RT at (no spam) ErnieFowlke: at (no spam) Seriou The 17th Amendment all but destroyed
Representative democracy 7 days ago from TweetDeck

# Image_normal justinrwright I dreamed about Kristen Stewart all. Night.
Long. Doug dreamed about his paper and the 17th amendment. 7 days ago
from Tweetie

# Dsci0189_normal Rosie21 Anyone wanna do my history coursework on the
17th amendment??? at (no spam) jmlares? lol 8 days ago from TweetDeck

# Twitter_normal lindseyburke03 Scalia: 17th amendment most destructive
amendment ever passed. 8 days ago from mobile web

# Erodingmtnsmlwscrptr_normal profoundian at (no spam) sonof_liberty Care to clarify
how 17th amendment weakens 10th? 8 days ago from web

# James_madison_normal Federalist84 at (no spam) savethiscountry Tenth Amendment
really took a hit w/ passage of 17th. Repeal 17 and 10th will enjoy
comeback. (via at (no spam) sonof_liberty ) 9 days ago from TweetDeck

# Sonof_liberty_normal sonof_liberty Tenth Amendment really took a hit
w/ passage of 17th. Repeal 17 and 10th will enjoy comeback.
at (no spam) Federalist84 9 days ago from Power Twitter

Michael Coburn...

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:03 pm

Guest

On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:47:13 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:

Quote:

As I said before, there is NO WAY to get the current Senate to do this
just as there was no way to get the the then current Senate to do
anything in 1911-12

http://en.wikipedia.org/
wiki/17th_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#History -----

The Congress had resisted proposing the amendment and so the states
pushed to take action into their hands. Usually only the Congress
proposes amendments, but two thirds of the states can call for a new
constitutional convention to propose amendments (in either case,
ratification by three-fourths of the states is required for adoption). By
1910, 31 states (one short of the then-required number) had called for
such a convention, putting additional pressure on the Congress to propose
the amendment.[3]

Consequently, in 1911, Senator Joseph L. Bristow from Kansas offered a
resolution, proposing an amendment. The notion enjoyed strong support
from Senator William Borah of Idaho, himself a product of direct
election. Eight Southern Senators and all of the Republican Senators from
New England, New York and Pennsylvania opposed Bristow's resolution.
Nevertheless, the Senate approved the resolution largely because of the
Senators who had been elected by state-initiated reforms, many of whom
were serving their first terms, and therefore were more willing to
support direct election. After the Senate passed the amendment
resolution, the measure moved to the House of Representatives.

---------------------------------------------------------------------

OK, Coonskin cappers. Do yer thing! Assail your state legislatures and
force them to call for a convention on THIS particular amendment. That is
the _ONLY_ way you can make the current Congress do anything.

--
"Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson

BDR529...

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:25 pm

Guest

Jeff Strickland wrote:

Quote:

Thanks!

Laws differ from nation to nation. All members of congress are in our
case elected, and the senators are indirectly elected through the
provincial elections. So, we don't have an amendment 17. Also, we don't
vote directly for the minister president.

Q

Quote:

"BDR529"<el at (no spam) wood> wrote in message
news:4b04412a$0$22936$e4fe514c at (no spam) news.xs4all.nl...
Could you summarize in 1 or 2 lines what the 17th amendment is about?

Q

Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
# controlussenate I am about to start down the long road toward gaining
public support for repealing the 17th amendment to the US Constitution.
about 2 hours ago from web

# Dennis_normal dennisllynn Reading the 17th Amendment today...
http://bit.ly/2hJds7 In my opinion one of the worst changes to
government in our history. about 23 hours ago from TweetDeck

# Green_6329_biker_dude_normal Johnny_Helms Why the 17th Amendment
should be repealed: Opposing arguments can be easily found as well:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/09/ 1 day ago from web

# Default_profile_4_normal khanumsofia RT at (no spam) tweetmeme Constitutional
Reforms and 17th Amendment - pakistani http://tinyurl.com/y9g99u2 2 days
ago from TweetMeme

# Rhp_facebook_1_normal LibertyThought The Revolution of 1913:
http://mises.org/media/4218 via at (no spam) addthis - Tom DiLorenzo talking on
Federal Reserve, Income Tax, 17th Amendment 6 days ago from web

# 1776w-atcomwhit_normal LiberalCon at (no spam) sonof_liberty II I know you've been
on it against the 17th Amendment; so you would rather have our Senators
appointed? 6 days ago from TweetDeck

# Dpathar_normal atharpk Nawaz to urge Gilani to act speedily on 17th
Amendment http://bit.ly/2oANRm 7 days ago from WP to Twitter

# Trav_normal sshb Wtf! What was the pourpose of the 17th amendment 7
days ago from txt

# Whtiger_normal Seriou Got some sleep, Totally ready 4 an ass kicking

#tcot RT at (no spam) ErnieFowlke: at (no spam) Seriou The 17th Amendment all but destroyed
Representative democracy 7 days ago from TweetDeck

# Image_normal justinrwright I dreamed about Kristen Stewart all. Night.
Long. Doug dreamed about his paper and the 17th amendment. 7 days ago
from Tweetie

# Dsci0189_normal Rosie21 Anyone wanna do my history coursework on the
17th amendment??? at (no spam) jmlares? lol 8 days ago from TweetDeck

# Twitter_normal lindseyburke03 Scalia: 17th amendment most destructive
amendment ever passed. 8 days ago from mobile web

# Erodingmtnsmlwscrptr_normal profoundian at (no spam) sonof_liberty Care to clarify
how 17th amendment weakens 10th? 8 days ago from web

# James_madison_normal Federalist84 at (no spam) savethiscountry Tenth Amendment
really took a hit w/ passage of 17th. Repeal 17 and 10th will enjoy
comeback. (via at (no spam) sonof_liberty ) 9 days ago from TweetDeck

# Sonof_liberty_normal sonof_liberty Tenth Amendment really took a hit
w/ passage of 17th. Repeal 17 and 10th will enjoy comeback.
at (no spam) Federalist84 9 days ago from Power Twitter

...

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:29 pm

Guest

On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:47:13 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty
<Then-Destroy-Everything at (no spam) Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:

Quote:

# controlussenate I am about to start down the long road toward gaining
public support for repealing the 17th amendment to the US Constitution.
about 2 hours ago from web

Damn you must go through tin-foil by the tons......

...

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:30 pm

Guest

On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:53:31 -1000, "Jerry Okamura"
<okamuraj005 at (no spam) hawaii.rr.com> wrote:

Quote:

Only to be replaced by someone with the same mindset at the previous
Senator?

We need you to have more senators with a mind set like
ronPauloon.

We'd be assured of a century of dominance.

...

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:31 pm

Guest

On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:56:14 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
<crwlrjeff at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

Quote:

Ya did good, Jeffy

Beam Me Up Scotty...

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:41 pm

Guest

Jeff Strickland wrote:

Quote:

Which meant that they were *NOT* necessarily stampeded by public
opinion. They could do what is right and not what is popular.

We have the House of Rep. that will do what is popular.

Quote:

people that some of us had voted for once upon a time. It was found that the
State Legislature might have interests divergent from the will of the
people, and elected representatives are thought to serve us better than
appointed ones.

The 17th moves the selection of US Senators out from behind closed doors in
the halls of the State House and into the ballot box.

"BDR529" <el at (no spam) wood> wrote in message
news:4b04412a$0$22936$e4fe514c at (no spam) news.xs4all.nl...
Could you summarize in 1 or 2 lines what the 17th amendment is about?

Q

Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
# controlussenate I am about to start down the long road toward gaining
public support for repealing the 17th amendment to the US Constitution.
about 2 hours ago from web

# Dennis_normal dennisllynn Reading the 17th Amendment today...
http://bit.ly/2hJds7 In my opinion one of the worst changes to
government in our history. about 23 hours ago from TweetDeck

# Green_6329_biker_dude_normal Johnny_Helms Why the 17th Amendment
should be repealed: Opposing arguments can be easily found as well:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/09/ 1 day ago from web

# Default_profile_4_normal khanumsofia RT at (no spam) tweetmeme Constitutional
Reforms and 17th Amendment - pakistani http://tinyurl.com/y9g99u2 2 days
ago from TweetMeme

# Rhp_facebook_1_normal LibertyThought The Revolution of 1913:
http://mises.org/media/4218 via at (no spam) addthis - Tom DiLorenzo talking on
Federal Reserve, Income Tax, 17th Amendment 6 days ago from web

# 1776w-atcomwhit_normal LiberalCon at (no spam) sonof_liberty II I know you've been
on it against the 17th Amendment; so you would rather have our Senators
appointed? 6 days ago from TweetDeck

# Dpathar_normal atharpk Nawaz to urge Gilani to act speedily on 17th
Amendment http://bit.ly/2oANRm 7 days ago from WP to Twitter

# Trav_normal sshb Wtf! What was the pourpose of the 17th amendment 7
days ago from txt

# Whtiger_normal Seriou Got some sleep, Totally ready 4 an ass kicking

#tcot RT at (no spam) ErnieFowlke: at (no spam) Seriou The 17th Amendment all but destroyed
Representative democracy 7 days ago from TweetDeck

# Image_normal justinrwright I dreamed about Kristen Stewart all. Night.
Long. Doug dreamed about his paper and the 17th amendment. 7 days ago
from Tweetie

# Dsci0189_normal Rosie21 Anyone wanna do my history coursework on the
17th amendment??? at (no spam) jmlares? lol 8 days ago from TweetDeck

# Twitter_normal lindseyburke03 Scalia: 17th amendment most destructive
amendment ever passed. 8 days ago from mobile web

# Erodingmtnsmlwscrptr_normal profoundian at (no spam) sonof_liberty Care to clarify
how 17th amendment weakens 10th? 8 days ago from web

# James_madison_normal Federalist84 at (no spam) savethiscountry Tenth Amendment
really took a hit w/ passage of 17th. Repeal 17 and 10th will enjoy
comeback. (via at (no spam) sonof_liberty ) 9 days ago from TweetDeck

# Sonof_liberty_normal sonof_liberty Tenth Amendment really took a hit
w/ passage of 17th. Repeal 17 and 10th will enjoy comeback.
at (no spam) Federalist84 9 days ago from Power Twitter

Jeff Strickland...

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:48 pm

Guest

"Beam Me Up Scotty" <Then-Destroy-Everything at (no spam) Talk-n-dog.com> wrote in
message news:4b044f1d$0$18206$ec3e2dad at (no spam) unlimited.usenetmonster.com...

Quote:

Jeff Strickland wrote:
The 17th Amendment says you and I get to vote for our Senators instead of
having them appointed by the State Legislature.

Before 17 was passed, the US Senate was filled by appointment -- you and
I
were represented by people we did not vote for, they were appointed by

Which meant that they were *NOT* necessarily stampeded by public
opinion. They could do what is right and not what is popular.

We have the House of Rep. that will do what is popular.

But it also led to sometimes lengthy delays in getting the duly authorized
representation because of squabling and infighting within the State
Legislature. Some states went years without a US Senator to represent them
because the state legislatures could not overcome their own bickering and
appoint a Senator.

Personally, I don't really have a feel one way or the other about voting or
appointing a Senator. What I do not see though is that changing the
selection process will improve anything. Of the two methods, I suppose I
have to go with the popular vote of the electorate as opposed to a secret
selection in the halls of the State House.

Beam Me Up Scotty...

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:51 pm

Guest

feble at (no spam) Vester.net wrote:

Quote:

On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:47:13 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty
Then-Destroy-Everything at (no spam) Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:

# controlussenate I am about to start down the long road toward gaining
public support for repealing the 17th amendment to the US Constitution.
about 2 hours ago from web

Damn you must go through tin-foil by the tons......

Are you looking for pointers?

Are the voices in your head that loud?

I can't give any first hand experience to you, but keep asking around,
I'm sure that you'll find some compatriots with similar problems that
have solved their issues.

Tin-foil fetishes are unusual from what I know but maybe you can try
plastic wrap.... it has some twists like Honey and other foods that
work with it. Good luck I'm rooting for you.
--

Beam Me Up Scotty...

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:02 pm

Guest

Jeff Strickland wrote:

Quote:

"Beam Me Up Scotty" <Then-Destroy-Everything at (no spam) Talk-n-dog.com> wrote in
message news:4b044f1d$0$18206$ec3e2dad at (no spam) unlimited.usenetmonster.com...
Jeff Strickland wrote:
The 17th Amendment says you and I get to vote for our Senators instead of
having them appointed by the State Legislature.

Before 17 was passed, the US Senate was filled by appointment -- you and
I
were represented by people we did not vote for, they were appointed by

Which meant that they were *NOT* necessarily stampeded by public
opinion. They could do what is right and not what is popular.

We have the House of Rep. that will do what is popular.

But it also led to sometimes lengthy delays in getting the duly authorized
representation because of squabling and infighting within the State
Legislature. Some states went years without a US Senator to represent them
because the state legislatures could not overcome their own bickering and
appoint a Senator.

That is an issue...

Quote:

Personally, I don't really have a feel one way or the other about voting or
appointing a Senator. What I do not see though is that changing the
selection process will improve anything. Of the two methods, I suppose I
have to go with the popular vote of the electorate as opposed to a secret
selection in the halls of the State House.

I don't say it will make life "Unicorns and Pixie dust..." but it may
stop some ridiculous populist legislation.

But we did get The Federal reserve and Income tax before the 17th so you
could be right.... I'm looking at it with interest.

--

Michael Coburn...

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:11 pm

Guest

On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:56:14 -0800, Jeff Strickland wrote:

Quote:

The 17th Amendment says you and I get to vote for our Senators instead
of having them appointed by the State Legislature.

Before 17 was passed, the US Senate was filled by appointment -- you and
I were represented by people we did not vote for, they were appointed by
people that some of us had voted for once upon a time. It was found that
the State Legislature might have interests divergent from the will of
the people, and elected representatives are thought to serve us better
than appointed ones.

The 17th moves the selection of US Senators out from behind closed doors
in the halls of the State House and into the ballot box.

Actually, what the 17th amendment has done is to offer up the voting
seats of the Senate on a silver platter to the national and multinational
corporations. It is not a theory that elections between the two primary
parties will go to the candidate spending the most on campaign
advertising and mostly on negative advertising. The money usually wins.
In less populated states like the Dakotas, Montana, Wyoming, Main,
Delaware, etc. the amount of campaign funding from the actual people of
the state -- the populous -- is quite limited while the money from major
corporations, both national and multinational, is extreme. Max Baucus is
the poster child for this problem and so too the entire "gang of 6" that
attempted to destroy the health care reform bill.

It is interesting that many of the states chose to elect their senators
by state referendum prior to the enactment of the 17th amendment and did
so. Such a repeal would give the smaller states a means of self
protection from the multinationals and the nationals regarding the
representation of the people of the state in the US Senate. The people
could decide how they wanted to do it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/
wiki/17th_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#History -----

Increasingly, Senators were elected based on state referenda, similar to
the means developed by Oregon. By 1912, as many as 29 states elected
Senators either as nominees of party primaries, or in conjunction with a
general election. As representatives of a direct election process, the
new Senators supported measures that argued for new legislation, but in
order to achieve total election reform, a constitutional amendment was
required.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Quote:

"BDR529" <el at (no spam) wood> wrote in message
news:4b04412a$0$22936$e4fe514c at (no spam) news.xs4all.nl...
Could you summarize in 1 or 2 lines what the 17th amendment is about?

Q

Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
# controlussenate I am about to start down the long road toward
gaining public support for repealing the 17th amendment to the US
Constitution.
about 2 hours ago from web

# Dennis_normal dennisllynn Reading the 17th Amendment today...
http://bit.ly/2hJds7 In my opinion one of the worst changes to
government in our history. about 23 hours ago from TweetDeck

# Green_6329_biker_dude_normal Johnny_Helms Why the 17th Amendment
should be repealed: Opposing arguments can be easily found as well:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/09/ 1 day ago from web

# Default_profile_4_normal khanumsofia RT at (no spam) tweetmeme Constitutional
Reforms and 17th Amendment - pakistani http://tinyurl.com/y9g99u2 2
days ago from TweetMeme

# Rhp_facebook_1_normal LibertyThought The Revolution of 1913:
http://mises.org/media/4218 via at (no spam) addthis - Tom DiLorenzo talking on
Federal Reserve, Income Tax, 17th Amendment 6 days ago from web

# 1776w-atcomwhit_normal LiberalCon at (no spam) sonof_liberty II I know you've
been on it against the 17th Amendment; so you would rather have our
Senators appointed? 6 days ago from TweetDeck

# Dpathar_normal atharpk Nawaz to urge Gilani to act speedily on 17th
Amendment http://bit.ly/2oANRm 7 days ago from WP to Twitter

# Trav_normal sshb Wtf! What was the pourpose of the 17th amendment 7
days ago from txt

# Whtiger_normal Seriou Got some sleep, Totally ready 4 an ass kicking

#tcot RT at (no spam) ErnieFowlke: at (no spam) Seriou The 17th Amendment all but destroyed
Representative democracy 7 days ago from TweetDeck

# Image_normal justinrwright I dreamed about Kristen Stewart all.
Night. Long. Doug dreamed about his paper and the 17th amendment. 7
days ago from Tweetie

# Dsci0189_normal Rosie21 Anyone wanna do my history coursework on the
17th amendment??? at (no spam) jmlares? lol 8 days ago from TweetDeck

# Twitter_normal lindseyburke03 Scalia: 17th amendment most
destructive amendment ever passed. 8 days ago from mobile web

# Erodingmtnsmlwscrptr_normal profoundian at (no spam) sonof_liberty Care to
clarify how 17th amendment weakens 10th? 8 days ago from web

# James_madison_normal Federalist84 at (no spam) savethiscountry Tenth Amendment
really took a hit w/ passage of 17th. Repeal 17 and 10th will enjoy
comeback. (via at (no spam) sonof_liberty ) 9 days ago from TweetDeck

# Sonof_liberty_normal sonof_liberty Tenth Amendment really took a hit
w/ passage of 17th. Repeal 17 and 10th will enjoy comeback.
at (no spam) Federalist84 9 days ago from Power Twitter

--
"Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson

Jeff Strickland...

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:22 pm

Guest

"Michael Coburn" <mikcob at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote in message
news:he1keb32tk8 at (no spam) news5.newsguy.com...

Quote:

On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:56:14 -0800, Jeff Strickland wrote:

The 17th Amendment says you and I get to vote for our Senators instead
of having them appointed by the State Legislature.

Before 17 was passed, the US Senate was filled by appointment -- you and
I were represented by people we did not vote for, they were appointed by
people that some of us had voted for once upon a time. It was found that
the State Legislature might have interests divergent from the will of
the people, and elected representatives are thought to serve us better
than appointed ones.

The 17th moves the selection of US Senators out from behind closed doors
in the halls of the State House and into the ballot box.

Actually, what the 17th amendment has done is to offer up the voting
seats of the Senate on a silver platter to the national and multinational
corporations. It is not a theory that elections between the two primary
parties will go to the candidate spending the most on campaign
advertising and mostly on negative advertising. The money usually wins.
In less populated states like the Dakotas, Montana, Wyoming, Main,
Delaware, etc. the amount of campaign funding from the actual people of
the state -- the populous -- is quite limited while the money from major
corporations, both national and multinational, is extreme. Max Baucus is
the poster child for this problem and so too the entire "gang of 6" that
attempted to destroy the health care reform bill.

It is interesting that many of the states chose to elect their senators
by state referendum prior to the enactment of the 17th amendment and did
so. Such a repeal would give the smaller states a means of self
protection from the multinationals and the nationals regarding the
representation of the people of the state in the US Senate. The people
could decide how they wanted to do it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/
wiki/17th_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#History -----

Increasingly, Senators were elected based on state referenda, similar to
the means developed by Oregon. By 1912, as many as 29 states elected
Senators either as nominees of party primaries, or in conjunction with a
general election. As representatives of a direct election process, the
new Senators supported measures that argued for new legislation, but in
order to achieve total election reform, a constitutional amendment was
required.

Are the voters REALLY as stupid as you portray them to be?

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