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iconoclast at (no spam) yahoo.com...

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:26 am

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Last update - 18:35 14/11/2009

PA negotiator: We may seek UN recognition of Palestinian state

By Avi Issacharoff, Haaretz Correspondent, and Haaretz Service

Tags: Israel news

The Palestinian Authority is considering seeking recognition from the
United Nations Security Council of a Palestinian state along 1967
lines with East Jerusalem as its capital, senior negotiator Saeb
Erekat told Palestinian newspaper Al-Ayyam in a report published
Saturday.

Erekat said that the Palestinian Authority has already received
support for the idea from other Arab states and added that Russia and
UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon have also apparently expressed
support for the plan.

Erekat also said that Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas is
trying to garner additional support for the proposal during his
current visit to South American countries.
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The U.S. said it would not pressure Israel and the Palestinians to
resume direct peace talks unless both sides are ready, senior U.S.
officials were quoted as saying in a report published Saturday by
London-based Arabic-language newspaper A-Sharq Al-Awsat.

"The U.S. will not back down from its policy that refuses to negotiate
over negotiations," one official was quoted as saying, adding that
Washington won't pressure the two sides into direct talks for fear
that they will fail.

Another official told the newspaper that U.S. envoy George Mitchell
continues to lay the groundwork for peace talks in the Middle East,
which the official said are of utmost importance to the Obama
administration.

"No one expects results overnight," said the official. "We don't want
to press for negotiations before all sides are ready."

The U.S. earlier in the week said it does not accept continued Israeli
settlement construction in the West Bank, a senior U.S. state
department official said, adding that Jerusalem's commitment to
restrain settlement activity is not enough.

In an address to the Middle East Institute, Under Secretary of State
for Political Affairs William J. Burns on Tuesday said that the Obama
administration does not "accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli
settlements."

"We consider the Israeli offer to restrain settlement activity to be a
potentially important step, but it obviously falls short of the
continuing Roadmap obligation for a full settlement freeze," he said.

Palestinian officials had said in talks with U.S. diplomats earlier
this week in Ramallah that nothing short of an Israeli commitment to a
complete settlement freeze would bring Abbas to reconsider his
recently made threats of resignation.

drahcir...

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:53 am

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From the thread "Netanyahu admitted today that Palestinians were
indeed expelled."

On Nov 13, 4:42 pm, "iconocl... at (no spam) yahoo.com" <coaster132... at (no spam) yahoo.com>
wrote:

Quote:

From the River to the Sea. By Gilad Atzmon
2009 November 11
by kanan48
.Via: Gilad Atzmon.

Everyone here knows that HHW, whose latest pretentious alias is
"iconoclast", is a willful ignoramus with regard to Israel, choosing
to rely on a handful of completely unobjective sources, including
Finklestein and Atzmon. Here is PROOF that Atzmon is a liar, and by
implication, HHW is therefore a naive, silly old fool.

<snip for focus>

Quote:

Haaretz reported today that the Israeli PM admitted in Washington that
he was committed to ‘two states living side by side’. However, he
stressed that the “the right of Palestinian refugees to return to the
homes from which they were expelled, would not be on the table.”

It is crystal clear that Atzmon wants the reader to think that the
above quote is the words of Netanyahu, and HHW bought it hook, line,
and sinker. Problem is that it isn't. Here is a quote from the
original Haaretz article:

"In his address, Netanyahu also appeared to resist U.S. pressure to
promote the two-state solution. He said he was committed to two states
living side by side, but stressed that the central issues - the right
of Palestinian refugees to return to the homes from which they were
expelled and certain territorial claims - would not be on the table."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1127420.html

As anyone can see, nowhere does the article state or imply that
Netanyahu made the statement quoted in the Atzmon article. From the
Haaretz article, we have no idea about the words Netanyahu used and,
since there is no quote provided, whether he even stated the ideas
that Haaretz says he stated. The concept of expulsion is clearly that
of Ms. Mozgovaya, the author of the article, not of Netanyahu. Even
the idea of "central issues" is not Netanyahu's, but rather
Mozgovaya's.

So, H, please, please give the group your poignant observations about
precisely how you became a naive, silly old fool!

<snip remainder of discredited nonsense>

drahcir...

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:50 pm

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On Nov 15, 7:31 pm, "Fish Supper" <l... at (no spam) sea.com> wrote:

Quote:

"drahcir" <justrichardsmu... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message

news:df292fa1-b25f-4bda-b6cd-e4c824cc06cf at (no spam) a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
From the thread "Netanyahu admitted today that Palestinians were
indeed expelled."

On Nov 13, 4:42 pm, "iconocl... at (no spam) yahoo.com" <coaster132... at (no spam) yahoo.com
wrote:

boring, boring little boy

try dealing with the topic in hand. If you get stuck with any of the
vocabulary, ask a grown up to help

You want so badly to be part of the group, is that it?

Fish Supper...

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:31 pm

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"drahcir" <justrichardsmusic at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:df292fa1-b25f-4bda-b6cd-e4c824cc06cf at (no spam) a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
From the thread "Netanyahu admitted today that Palestinians were
indeed expelled."

On Nov 13, 4:42 pm, "iconocl... at (no spam) yahoo.com" <coaster132... at (no spam) yahoo.com>
wrote:

boring, boring little boy

try dealing with the topic in hand. If you get stuck with any of the
vocabulary, ask a grown up to help

Fish Supper...

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:11 am

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"drahcir" <justrichardsmusic at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7cad4d0f-468a-4540-98a0-b4389d66b34e at (no spam) a31g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 15, 7:31 pm, "Fish Supper" <l... at (no spam) sea.com> wrote:

Quote:

You want so badly to be part of the group, is that it?

***
yet again, you avoid dealing with the subject - and, actually, looking back
on your posting history, you ALWAYS avoid dealing with the subject.
The reason for this is clear as day - you have nothing worthwhile or
constructive to say. Your posts are invariably the hysterical rantings of a
teenage fanatic with zero worthwhile or even articulated content.

You're a fool, boy. Come back when you've grown up and can discuss matters
with adults.

Fish Supper...

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:23 am

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"iconoclast at (no spam) yahoo.com" <coaster132000 at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Quote:

Last update - 18:35 14/11/2009

PA negotiator: We may seek UN recognition of Palestinian state

"We consider the Israeli offer to restrain settlement activity to be a
potentially important step, but it obviously falls short of the
continuing Roadmap obligation for a full settlement freeze," he said.

In other words, they stole their neighbour's car but rather than give it
back , they are promising to drive slowly.

Hunter Watson...

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:44 am

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On Nov 16, 10:23 am, "Fish Supper" <l... at (no spam) sea.com> wrote:

Quote:

"iconocl... at (no spam) yahoo.com" <coaster132... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:d640c4e4-793f-4482-ba0e-735df20a1078 at (no spam) b25g2000prb.googlegroups.com...

Last update - 18:35 14/11/2009

PA negotiator: We may seek UN recognition of Palestinian state

"We consider the Israeli offer to restrain settlement activity to be a
potentially important step, but it obviously falls short of the
continuing Roadmap obligation for a full settlement freeze," he said.

In other words, they stole their neighbour's car but rather than give it
back , they are promising to drive slowly.

Haha. Haha. we'll take that to the archive!

Hunter Watson...

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:46 pm

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On Nov 15, 8:50 pm, drahcir <justrichardsmu... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:

On Nov 15, 7:31 pm, "Fish Supper" <l... at (no spam) sea.com> wrote:

"drahcir" <justrichardsmu... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message

news:df292fa1-b25f-4bda-b6cd-e4c824cc06cf at (no spam) a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com....
From the thread "Netanyahu admitted today that Palestinians were
indeed expelled."

On Nov 13, 4:42 pm, "iconocl... at (no spam) yahoo.com" <coaster132... at (no spam) yahoo.com
wrote:

boring, boring little boy

try dealing with the topic in hand. If you get stuck with any of the
vocabulary, ask a grown up to help

You want so badly to be part of the group, is that it?

My research tells me that it became necessary for Richard Ratner's
mother to tell her not to kvetch, greps at the table or chup her soup.
Her father told her she was a meshugge. Her mother told her not to be
a shlump. Another family member said, "Don't flick my tukhes with the
shmatte!" At some point after the onset of puberty Richard emerged
from all this with a smile on her face. Eventually, she knew the
family would begin paying her to stay far away, to rot in blue-collar
Somerville MA. Yes, and as she is no Leonard Bernstein she does want
so badly to be a part of this group.

drahcir...

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:15 pm

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On Nov 16, 6:46 pm, Hunter Watson <coaster132... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

Quote:

On Nov 15, 8:50 pm, drahcir <justrichardsmu... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Nov 15, 7:31 pm, "Fish Supper" <l... at (no spam) sea.com> wrote:

"drahcir" <justrichardsmu... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message

news:df292fa1-b25f-4bda-b6cd-e4c824cc06cf at (no spam) a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com....
From the thread "Netanyahu admitted today that Palestinians were
indeed expelled."

On Nov 13, 4:42 pm, "iconocl... at (no spam) yahoo.com" <coaster132... at (no spam) yahoo.com
wrote:

boring, boring little boy

try dealing with the topic in hand. If you get stuck with any of the
vocabulary, ask a grown up to help

You want so badly to be part of the group, is that it?

My research tells me that it became necessary for Richard Ratner's
mother to tell her not to kvetch, greps at the table or chup her soup.

H, why did you spend so much of your waning neural energy on this
tripe? Instead of straining your brain, why not just admit you are a
naive, silly old fool? Who but a naive, silly old fool would accept at
face value the lies of some neurotic, self-hating jew like Atzmon? You
just fell for it hook, line, and sinker, because you are a weakling.
Here, let me demonstrate again my irrefutable proof that Atzmon is
liar and, as implied by your wholehearted acceptance of his lie, that
you are a naive, silly old fool. If you have anything at all to say
about it, please let the group know. Why not try being a man for once
and admit the obvious?

From the thread "Netanyahu admitted today that Palestinians were
indeed expelled."

On Nov 13, 4:42 pm, "iconocl... at (no spam) yahoo.com" <coaster132... at (no spam) yahoo.com>
wrote:

Quote:

From the River to the Sea. By Gilad Atzmon
2009 November 11
by kanan48
.Via: Gilad Atzmon.

Quote:

Her father told her she was a meshugge. Her mother told her not to be
a shlump. Another family member said, "Don't flick my tukhes with the
shmatte!" At some point after the onset of puberty Richard emerged
from all this with a smile on her face. Eventually, she knew the
family would begin paying her to stay far away, to rot in blue-collar
Somerville MA. Yes, and as she is no Leonard Bernstein she does want
so badly to be a part of this group.

Whoa, priceless. Folks, H is so far gone that his alzheimic brain
forgot that he read the above line in my post to Fish Supper
yesterday:

***********

Quote:

boring, boring little boy

try dealing with the topic in hand. If you get stuck with any of the
vocabulary, ask a grown up to help

You want so badly to be part of the group, is that it?

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.jewish/msg/e2dc062563edae5d
**********

Can anyone believe the noodlebrain HHW got so discombobulated flailing
away while trying to avoid admitting he fucked up that he thought he
invented this line ONE DAY after reading it in my post? Scary....

drahcir...

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:23 pm

Guest

On Nov 16, 6:46 pm, Hunter Watson <coaster132... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

Quote:

Folks, you are simply not going to believe this:

"Michael Rosen's mother told him not to kvetsch, greps at the table or
chup his soup. His father told him he was meshugge. His mother told
him not to be a shlump. His brother said, 'Don't flick my tukhes with
the shmatte!' "

http://www.jewishbookweek.com/2007/040307ba.php

I have to say HHW is simply too pathetic for words.

At some point after the onset of puberty Richard emerged

Quote:

from all this with a smile on her face. Eventually, she knew the
family would begin paying her to stay far away, to rot in blue-collar
Somerville MA. Yes, and as she is no Leonard Bernstein she does want
so badly to be a part of this group.

drahcir...

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:47 am

Guest

On Nov 17, 10:37 am, "Fish Supper" <l... at (no spam) sea.com> wrote:

Quote:

"drahcir" <justrichardsmu... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message

news:96cdd039-c9f6-47cc-955c-9064c0303b7c at (no spam) f16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 16, 6:46 pm, Hunter Watson <coaster132... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

On Nov 15, 8:50 pm, drahcir <justrichardsmu... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

OK, if you can't find any defense against Israeli use of White Phosphorous,
how about dealing with the fact that they use children and civilians as
human shields?

Either you can't read the posts to which you purport to reply, or you
are too stupid to comprehend them, or you're nuts. Which is it?

iconoclast at (no spam) yahoo.com...

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:58 am

Guest

On Nov 16, 10:15 pm, drahcir <justrichardsmu... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:

My research tells me that it became necessary for Richard Ratner's
mother to tell her not to kvetch, greps at the table or chup her soup.

But you clipped most of it. Here it is entire:

Quote:

H, why did you spend so much of your waning neural energy on this
tripe?

It's obvious: to exact a frankly retaliatory personal price from you
in exchange for your disgusting ad hominem attacks on every debate
opponent you have here. I've explained it many times before. All you
have to do is behave yourself and your disgusting personal traits, not
the least of which is intellectuall dishonesty, will immediately be
off limits. You create your own discontents, Ratner. You wouldn't have
to clip my punitive observations as you've done here were you to
behave like a civilized being instead of a bottom ,hasbaristic, lobby
flack. It was a blunder for you to permit yourself to be assigned to
me. I can't be shut up or driven away by anyone. I can't be
"embarrassed" or intimidated. And every time you do it pain will be
inflicted.

Here's what you snipped:

My research tells me that it became necessary for Richard Ratner's
mother to tell her not to kvetch, greps at the table or chup her
soup.
Her father told her she was a meshugge. Her mother told her not to be
a shlump. Another family member said, "Don't flick my tukhes with the
shmatte!" At some point after the onset of puberty Richard emerged
from all this with a smile on her face. Eventually, she knew the
family would begin paying her to stay far away, to rot in blue-collar
Somerville MA. Yes, and as she is no Leonard Bernstein she does want
so badly to be a part of this group.

iconoclast at (no spam) yahoo.com...

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:03 am

Guest

On Nov 17, 11:47 am, drahcir <justrichardsmu... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:

On Nov 17, 10:37 am, "Fish Supper" <l... at (no spam) sea.com> wrote:

"drahcir" <justrichardsmu... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message

news:96cdd039-c9f6-47cc-955c-9064c0303b7c at (no spam) f16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com....
On Nov 16, 6:46 pm, Hunter Watson <coaster132... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

On Nov 15, 8:50 pm, drahcir <justrichardsmu... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

OK, if you can't find any defense against Israeli use of White Phosphorous,
how about dealing with the fact that they use children and civilians as
human shields?
"

Fish Supper...

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:37 am

Guest

"drahcir" <justrichardsmusic at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:96cdd039-c9f6-47cc-955c-9064c0303b7c at (no spam) f16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 16, 6:46 pm, Hunter Watson <coaster132... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

Quote:

On Nov 15, 8:50 pm, drahcir <justrichardsmu... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

OK, if you can't find any defense against Israeli use of White Phosphorous,
how about dealing with the fact that they use children and civilians as
human shields?

drahcir...

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:31 pm

Guest

On Nov 17, 2:58 pm, "iconocl... at (no spam) yahoo.com" <coaster132... at (no spam) yahoo.com>
wrote:

Quote:

On Nov 16, 10:15 pm, drahcir <justrichardsmu... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

My research tells me that it became necessary for Richard Ratner's
mother to tell her not to kvetch, greps at the table or chup her soup..

But you clipped most of it. Here it is entire:

Um, there was nothing "clipped", you silly, senile oaf.>

Quote:

H, why did you spend so much of your waning neural energy on this
tripe?

It's obvious:

Below is proof that our poor H plagiarized his magnum opus. Of course,
that's besides the point that the entire exercise is meant to distract
from this:

From the thread "Netanyahu admitted today that Palestinians were
indeed expelled."

On Nov 13, 4:42 pm, "iconocl... at (no spam) yahoo.com" <coaster132... at (no spam) yahoo.com>
wrote:

Quote:

From the River to the Sea. By Gilad Atzmon
2009 November 11
by kanan48
.Via: Gilad Atzmon.

Quote:

in exchange for your disgusting ad hominem attacks on every debate
opponent you have here. I've explained it many times before. All you
have to do is behave yourself and your disgusting personal traits, not
the least of which is intellectuall dishonesty, will immediately be
off limits. You create your own discontents, Ratner. You wouldn't have
to clip my punitive observations as you've done here were you to
behave like a civilized being instead of a bottom ,hasbaristic, lobby
flack. It was a blunder for you to permit yourself to be assigned to
me. I can't be shut up or driven away by anyone. I can't be
"embarrassed" or intimidated. And every time you do it pain will be
inflicted.

Here's what you snipped:

My research tells me that it became necessary for Richard Ratner's
mother to tell her not to kvetch, greps at the table or chup her
soup.
Her father told her she was a meshugge. Her mother told her not to be
a shlump. Another family member said, "Don't flick my tukhes with the
shmatte!"

See below link for the simply unbelievable proof that our poor, silly
H plagiarized the above:

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.israel/msg/065460e6775ec35d

At some point after the onset of puberty Richard emerged

Quote:

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