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W.T.S....
Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:15 pm
Guest
"J" <Jvisions at (no spam) live.com> wrote in message
news:38vadd.gc8.19.1 at (no spam) news.alt.net...
Quote:
It's a shame this man was forced to resign his position because he held
firmly to his convictions. Although I personally disagree with Keith
Bardwell, I understand his motivations; even if they were misguided.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/56690
If you're going to have "convictions" that are locked in cement, first make

sure you understand what those convictions are, the full effects of those
convictions, taken all the way to the end, are on others as well as
yourself. Make darn sure you're informed (how many of us even watch the
evening local and national news) fully from more than one source. Make sure
you're willing to take both responsibility and action on the results of your
convictions.
--
http://folding.stanford.edu
Save lives, visit today!
 
Moderator...
Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:59 pm
Guest
Jimbo wrote:
Quote:
On Nov 7, 12:35 pm, Moderator <meldo... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 7, 12:14 pm, "Syd M." <pdwrigh... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

On Nov 6, 9:09 pm, "J" <Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com> wrote:

It's a shame this man was forced to resign his position because he held
firmly to his convictions.

He refused to do his job. He lost it.
That's it, Junkie Young.

PDW

This discussion appears suspiciously void of any mention or
consideration for the JP’s reason and the OP’s post. I’ll have to
remember that considering a child’s welfare is racist and risks
carrying with it the stigma of being labeled a nazi.

Perhaps you're missing the point where the guy was considering the as
yet unborn child's welfare, based on racial makeup??? The child's
welfare is the parents business, not the JOP's.

I guess the Family Laws in the States are much different than here in
Canada. lol

http://www.canlii.org/en/on/laws/stat/rso-1990-c-c7/latest/rso-1990-c-c7.html

http://www.canlii.org/en/on/laws/stat/rso-1990-c-c11/latest/rso-1990-c-c11.html

http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/laws/stat/rsc-1985-c-3-2nd-supp/latest/rsc-1985-c-3-2nd-supp.html

http://www.canlii.org/en/on/laws/stat/rso-1990-c-f3/latest/rso-1990-c-f3.html

http://www.canlii.org/en/on/laws/stat/so-1996-c-31/latest/so-1996-c-31.html

http://www.canlii.org/eliisa/highlight.do?text=self-employment+financial+disclosure&language=en&searchTitle=Federal&path=/en/ca/laws/regu/sor-97-175/latest/sor-97-175.html

http://www.canlii.org/en/on/laws/stat/so-2002-c-13/latest/so-2002-c-13.html

http://www.canlii.org/en/on/laws/stat/rso-1990-c-m3/latest/rso-1990-c-m3.html

http://www.canlii.org/en/on/laws/stat/rso-1990-c-c12/latest/rso-1990-c-c12.html

http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/regs/english/elaws_regs_990114_e.htm
 
Smiler...
Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:35 pm
Guest
Jimbo wrote:
Quote:
On Nov 7, 12:35 pm, Moderator <meldo... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 7, 12:14 pm, "Syd M." <pdwrigh... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

On Nov 6, 9:09 pm, "J" <Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com> wrote:

It's a shame this man was forced to resign his position because he
held firmly to his convictions.

He refused to do his job. He lost it.
That's it, Junkie Young.

PDW

This discussion appears suspiciously void of any mention or
consideration for the JP’s reason and the OP’s post. I’ll have to
remember that considering a child’s welfare is racist and risks
carrying with it the stigma of being labeled a nazi.

Perhaps you're missing the point where the guy was considering the as
yet unborn child's welfare, based on racial makeup??? The child's
welfare is the parents business, not the JOP's.

But, but, but EVERYONE knows mixed race children are disadvantaged.
For a start, you can't become the President of the USA if you're from a
mixed race family......

--
Smiler
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
All gods are bespoke. They're all made to
perfectly fit the prejudices of their believer
 
Moderator...
Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:41 pm
Guest
On Nov 8, 1:54 am, "thomas p." <gudl... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote:
Moderator wrote:
Jimbo wrote:
On Nov 7, 12:35 pm, Moderator <meldo... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 7, 12:14 pm, "Syd M." <pdwrigh... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

On Nov 6, 9:09 pm, "J" <Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com> wrote:

It's a shame this man was forced to resign his position because
he held firmly to his convictions.

He refused to do his job. He lost it.
That's it, Junkie Young.

PDW

This discussion appears suspiciously void of any mention or
consideration for the JP's reason and the OP's post. I'll have to
remember that considering a child's welfare is racist and risks
carrying with it the stigma of being labeled a nazi.

Perhaps you're missing the point where the guy was considering the as
yet unborn child's welfare, based on racial makeup???  The child's
welfare is the parents business, not the JOP's.

I guess the Family Laws in the States are much different than here in
Canada.  lol

Are you claiming that marriage in Canada can be refused to a mixed-race
couple because the official does not think there should be such marriages?
I guess you are babbling. lol- Hide quoted text -


I'm not claiming "that marriage in Canada can be refused to a mixed-
race" but more important, why would you take my word either way?
 
thomas p....
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:54 am
Guest
Moderator wrote:
Quote:
Jimbo wrote:
On Nov 7, 12:35 pm, Moderator <meldo... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 7, 12:14 pm, "Syd M." <pdwrigh... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

On Nov 6, 9:09 pm, "J" <Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com> wrote:

It's a shame this man was forced to resign his position because
he held firmly to his convictions.

He refused to do his job. He lost it.
That's it, Junkie Young.

PDW

This discussion appears suspiciously void of any mention or
consideration for the JP's reason and the OP's post. I'll have to
remember that considering a child's welfare is racist and risks
carrying with it the stigma of being labeled a nazi.

Perhaps you're missing the point where the guy was considering the as
yet unborn child's welfare, based on racial makeup??? The child's
welfare is the parents business, not the JOP's.

I guess the Family Laws in the States are much different than here in
Canada. lol

Are you claiming that marriage in Canada can be refused to a mixed-race
couple because the official does not think there should be such marriages?
I guess you are babbling. lol
 
thomas p....
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:25 am
Guest
Moderator wrote:
Quote:
On Nov 8, 1:54 am, "thomas p." <gudl... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Moderator wrote:
Jimbo wrote:
On Nov 7, 12:35 pm, Moderator <meldo... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 7, 12:14 pm, "Syd M." <pdwrigh... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

On Nov 6, 9:09 pm, "J" <Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com> wrote:

It's a shame this man was forced to resign his position because
he held firmly to his convictions.

He refused to do his job. He lost it.
That's it, Junkie Young.

PDW

This discussion appears suspiciously void of any mention or
consideration for the JP's reason and the OP's post. I'll have to
remember that considering a child's welfare is racist and risks
carrying with it the stigma of being labeled a nazi.

Perhaps you're missing the point where the guy was considering the
as yet unborn child's welfare, based on racial makeup??? The
child's welfare is the parents business, not the JOP's.

I guess the Family Laws in the States are much different than here
in Canada. lol

Are you claiming that marriage in Canada can be refused to a
mixed-race couple because the official does not think there should
be such marriages? I guess you are babbling. lol- Hide quoted text -


I'm not claiming "that marriage in Canada can be refused to a mixed-
race" but more important, why would you take my word either way?

I don't take your word. I thought that was clear. If you are not claiming
that
it is okay for an official to refuse to marry a mixed-race couple, what
exactly
do you think you are complaining about? The former judge has every right
to not witness such marriages, but he cannot continue to be a judge. Is
that too
complex for you?
 
Calvin Ramsey...
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:49 am
Guest
thomas p. wrote:
Quote:
Moderator wrote:
On Nov 8, 1:54 am, "thomas p." <gudl... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Moderator wrote:
Jimbo wrote:
On Nov 7, 12:35 pm, Moderator <meldo... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 7, 12:14 pm, "Syd M." <pdwrigh... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 6, 9:09 pm, "J" <Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com> wrote:
It's a shame this man was forced to resign his position because
he held firmly to his convictions.
He refused to do his job. He lost it.
That's it, Junkie Young.
PDW
This discussion appears suspiciously void of any mention or
consideration for the JP's reason and the OP's post. I'll have to
remember that considering a child's welfare is racist and risks
carrying with it the stigma of being labeled a nazi.
Perhaps you're missing the point where the guy was considering the
as yet unborn child's welfare, based on racial makeup??? The
child's welfare is the parents business, not the JOP's.
I guess the Family Laws in the States are much different than here
in Canada. lol
Are you claiming that marriage in Canada can be refused to a
mixed-race couple because the official does not think there should
be such marriages? I guess you are babbling. lol- Hide quoted text -

I'm not claiming "that marriage in Canada can be refused to a mixed-
race" but more important, why would you take my word either way?

I don't take your word. I thought that was clear. If you are not claiming
that
it is okay for an official to refuse to marry a mixed-race couple, what
exactly
do you think you are complaining about? The former judge has every right
to not witness such marriages, but he cannot continue to be a judge. Is
that too
complex for you?


Hey Thomas,

I'm wondering, if you don't take his word, in your previous question,
what reason does he have that you will take his word for this next
question of yours?

In other words, there's no need for you to ask so many questions, if
you're not even going to believe the answer.

Indications show you are one terribly confused individual.


Ciao,
 
thomas p....
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:10 am
Guest
"Calvin Ramsey" <calramsey at (no spam) oaken.net> skrev i meddelelsen
news:hd6i9h$bce$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
Quote:
thomas p. wrote:
Moderator wrote:
On Nov 8, 1:54 am, "thomas p." <gudl... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Moderator wrote:
Jimbo wrote:
On Nov 7, 12:35 pm, Moderator <meldo... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 7, 12:14 pm, "Syd M." <pdwrigh... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 6, 9:09 pm, "J" <Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com> wrote:
It's a shame this man was forced to resign his position because
he held firmly to his convictions.
He refused to do his job. He lost it.
That's it, Junkie Young.
PDW
This discussion appears suspiciously void of any mention or
consideration for the JP's reason and the OP's post. I'll have to
remember that considering a child's welfare is racist and risks
carrying with it the stigma of being labeled a nazi.
Perhaps you're missing the point where the guy was considering the
as yet unborn child's welfare, based on racial makeup??? The
child's welfare is the parents business, not the JOP's.
I guess the Family Laws in the States are much different than here
in Canada. lol
Are you claiming that marriage in Canada can be refused to a
mixed-race couple because the official does not think there should
be such marriages? I guess you are babbling. lol- Hide quoted text -

I'm not claiming "that marriage in Canada can be refused to a mixed-
race" but more important, why would you take my word either way?

I don't take your word. I thought that was clear. If you are not
claiming
that
it is okay for an official to refuse to marry a mixed-race couple, what
exactly
do you think you are complaining about? The former judge has every right
to not witness such marriages, but he cannot continue to be a judge. Is
that too
complex for you?


Hey Thomas,

I'm wondering, if you don't take his word, in your previous question,
what reason does he have that you will take his word for this next
question of yours?


What are you talking about? I really do not know.

Quote:

In other words, there's no need for you to ask so many questions, if
you're not even going to believe the answer.

Indications show you are one terribly confused individual.

I may be incredibly naive in asking the following question, but I am going
to try anyway.
We disagree about a number of things. Why not discuss those things and drop
the personal insults?
 
Jimbo...
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:23 pm
Guest
On Nov 7, 10:59 pm, Moderator <meldo... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
Jimbo wrote:
On Nov 7, 12:35 pm, Moderator <meldo... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 7, 12:14 pm, "Syd M." <pdwrigh... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

On Nov 6, 9:09 pm, "J" <Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com> wrote:

It's a shame this man was forced to resign his position because he held
firmly to his convictions.

He refused to do his job. He lost it.
That's it, Junkie Young.

PDW

This discussion appears suspiciously void of any mention or
consideration for the JP’s reason and the OP’s post. I’ll have to
remember that considering a child’s welfare is racist and risks
carrying with it the stigma of being labeled a nazi.

Perhaps you're missing the point where the guy was considering the as
yet unborn child's welfare, based on racial makeup???  The child's
welfare is the parents business, not the JOP's.

I guess the Family Laws in the States are much different than here in
Canada.  lol


Nothing in your link makes children the business of a JOP.
 
Jimbo...
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:24 pm
Guest
On Nov 8, 4:41 am, Moderator <meldo... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Nov 8, 1:54 am, "thomas p." <gudl... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:





Moderator wrote:
Jimbo wrote:
On Nov 7, 12:35 pm, Moderator <meldo... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 7, 12:14 pm, "Syd M." <pdwrigh... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

On Nov 6, 9:09 pm, "J" <Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com> wrote:

It's a shame this man was forced to resign his position because
he held firmly to his convictions.

He refused to do his job. He lost it.
That's it, Junkie Young.

PDW

This discussion appears suspiciously void of any mention or
consideration for the JP's reason and the OP's post. I'll have to
remember that considering a child's welfare is racist and risks
carrying with it the stigma of being labeled a nazi.

Perhaps you're missing the point where the guy was considering the as
yet unborn child's welfare, based on racial makeup???  The child's
welfare is the parents business, not the JOP's.

I guess the Family Laws in the States are much different than here in
Canada.  lol

Are you claiming that marriage in Canada can be refused to a mixed-race
couple because the official does not think there should be such marriages?
I guess you are babbling. lol- Hide quoted text -

I'm not claiming "that marriage in Canada can be refused to a mixed-
race" but more important, why would you take my word either way?- Hide quoted text -


Then what was your point, other than to prove your idiocy?
 
Jimbo...
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:25 pm
Guest
On Nov 8, 8:49 am, Calvin Ramsey <calram... at (no spam) oaken.net> wrote:
Quote:
thomas p. wrote:
Moderator wrote:
On Nov 8, 1:54 am, "thomas p." <gudl... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Moderator wrote:
Jimbo wrote:
On Nov 7, 12:35 pm, Moderator <meldo... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 7, 12:14 pm, "Syd M." <pdwrigh... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 6, 9:09 pm, "J" <Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com> wrote:
It's a shame this man was forced to resign his position because
he held firmly to his convictions.
He refused to do his job. He lost it.
That's it, Junkie Young.
PDW
This discussion appears suspiciously void of any mention or
consideration for the JP's reason and the OP's post. I'll have to
remember that considering a child's welfare is racist and risks
carrying with it the stigma of being labeled a nazi.
Perhaps you're missing the point where the guy was considering the
as yet unborn child's welfare, based on racial makeup??? The
child's welfare is the parents business, not the JOP's.
I guess the Family Laws in the States are much different than here
in Canada. lol
Are you claiming that marriage in Canada can be refused to a
mixed-race couple because the official does not think there should
be such marriages? I guess you are babbling. lol- Hide quoted text -

I'm not claiming "that marriage in Canada can be refused to a mixed-
race" but more important, why would you take my word either way?

I don't take your word.  I thought that was clear.  If you are not claiming
that
it is okay for an official to refuse to marry a mixed-race couple, what
exactly
do you think you are complaining about?  The former judge has every right
to not witness such marriages, but he cannot continue to be a judge.  Is
that too
complex for you?

Hey Thomas,

I'm wondering, if you don't take his word, in your previous question,
what reason does he have that you will take his word for this next
question of yours?



Holy crap! Did the convolutions in your brain suddenly smooth out?
What the hell sense did that make?
 
Jimbo...
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:28 pm
Guest
On Nov 8, 9:10 am, "thomas p." <gudl... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote:
"Calvin Ramsey" <calram... at (no spam) oaken.net> skrev i meddelelsennews:hd6i9h$bce$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...





thomas p. wrote:
Moderator wrote:
On Nov 8, 1:54 am, "thomas p." <gudl... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Moderator wrote:
Jimbo wrote:
On Nov 7, 12:35 pm, Moderator <meldo... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 7, 12:14 pm, "Syd M." <pdwrigh... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 6, 9:09 pm, "J" <Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com> wrote:
It's a shame this man was forced to resign his position because
he held firmly to his convictions.
He refused to do his job. He lost it.
That's it, Junkie Young.
PDW
This discussion appears suspiciously void of any mention or
consideration for the JP's reason and the OP's post. I'll have to
remember that considering a child's welfare is racist and risks
carrying with it the stigma of being labeled a nazi.
Perhaps you're missing the point where the guy was considering the
as yet unborn child's welfare, based on racial makeup??? The
child's welfare is the parents business, not the JOP's.
I guess the Family Laws in the States are much different than here
in Canada. lol
Are you claiming that marriage in Canada can be refused to a
mixed-race couple because the official does not think there should
be such marriages? I guess you are babbling. lol- Hide quoted text -

I'm not claiming "that marriage in Canada can be refused to a mixed-
race" but more important, why would you take my word either way?

I don't take your word.  I thought that was clear.  If you are not
claiming
that
it is okay for an official to refuse to marry a mixed-race couple, what
exactly
do you think you are complaining about?  The former judge has every right
to not witness such marriages, but he cannot continue to be a judge.  Is
that too
complex for you?

Hey Thomas,

I'm wondering, if you don't take his word, in your previous question,
what reason does he have that you will take his word for this next
question of yours?

What are you talking about?  I really do not know.



In other words, there's no need for you to ask so many questions, if
you're not even going to believe the answer.

Indications show you are one terribly confused individual.

I may be incredibly naive in asking the following question, but I am going
to try anyway.
We disagree about a number of things. Why not discuss those things and drop
the personal insults?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There is really nothing on this issue to discuss. A JOP is either
hired or elected to do a job, the job includes a number of state and
federal laws that must be followed in pursuit of that job. He refused
a legally eligible couple a marriage license, in violaton of those
laws, and failed to perform his job. He resigned, probably ahead of
being fired. Case closed.
 
Gwen Bennet...
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:02 am
Guest
On Nov 6, 9:09 pm, "J" <Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com> wrote:
Quote:
It's a [blessing] this man was forced to resign his position

Reformed.
 
Jimbo...
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 4:18 pm
Guest
On Nov 9, 9:06 pm, Strabo <str... at (no spam) flashlight.net> wrote:
Quote:
tirebiter wrote:
On Nov 6, 9:09 pm, "J" <Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com> wrote:
It's a shame this man was forced to resign his position because he held
firmly to his convictions. Although I personally disagree with Keith
Bardwell, I understand his motivations; even if they were misguided.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/56690

Louisiana Justice Quits after Interracial Wed Flap

Thursday, November 05, 2009
By Melinda Deslatte

Baton Rouge, La. - A Louisiana justice of the peace who refused to marry a
couple because the bride was white and groom was black resigned Tuesday,
after weeks of refusing to step down despite calls for his ouster from
officials including the governor.

Keith Bardwell quit with a one-sentence statement to Louisiana Secretary of
State Jay Dardenne and no explanation of his decision: "I do hereby resign
the office of Justice of the Peace for the Eighth Ward of Tangipahoa Parish,
Louisiana, effective November 3, 2009."

Gov. Bobby Jindal called Bardwell's resignation "long overdue."

Bardwell, who is white, refused to marry Beth Humphrey and Terence McKay.

When questioned, Bardwell acknowledged he routinely avoids marrying
interracial couples because he believes children born to them end up
suffering.

Why would someone believe that unless they themselves would willingly
heap abuse on children of interracial couples?

Why would someone believe...?

1. Observation.

2. Experience.

2. Crime stats.



What would crime stats have to do with an interracial child? You know
what, nevermind, it's irrelevant in any case. He failed to carry out
the duties of his office, case closed.
 
Mark Sebree...
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 4:44 pm
Guest
On Nov 9, 8:52 pm, Strabo <str... at (no spam) flashlight.net> wrote:
Quote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 21:09:17 -0500, in alt.atheism , "J"
Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com> in <38vadd.gc8.1... at (no spam) news.alt.net>  wrote:

It's a shame this man was forced to resign his position because he held
firmly to his convictions. Although I personally disagree with Keith
Bardwell, I understand his motivations; even if they were misguided.

He broke the law. But, apparently, you think that it is OK to break
the law if someone is sincere and holds to their beliefs. So, I
gather, you would have supported him if he married a gay couple.

Do you believe there's a law saying that a white cannot refuse
to sell his house to a black?


Assuming that the house is already for sale, a white person cannot
legally refuse to sell the house to a black person assuming that a
fair offer was made and the contingencies were reasonable.

Keep in mind that it is not unusual for the buyer and the seller to
not meet until the closing as well, which means that would be the
first time that the race of the buyer is known.

These come under the equal opportunity laws and the civil rights laws.

Mark Sebree
 
 
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