Looks to me like spreading funny money around can't
generate employment.  No employment, no wages; no
wages, no consumption; no consumption, no business;
no business, no employment.  But you knew that already.

We may be reaching the end of the funny-money era,
although it would not surprise me if our lords and masters
and their tame geniuses gave it another shot or two
regardless of the lack of positive results.  They
probably don't know what else to do.

So, how much further will the funny money go, and
then what's next?

Looks to me like spreading funny money around can't
generate employment.  No employment, no wages; no
wages, no consumption; no consumption, no business;
no business, no employment.  But you knew that already.

We may be reaching the end of the funny-money era,
although it would not surprise me if our lords and masters
and their tame geniuses gave it another shot or two
regardless of the lack of positive results.  They
probably don't know what else to do.

So, how much further will the funny money go, and
then what's next?

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:15:51 -0800, *Anarcissie* wrote:
Looks to me like spreading funny money around can't generate employment..
 No employment, no wages; no wages, no consumption; no consumption, no
business; no business, no employment.  But you knew that already.

We may be reaching the end of the funny-money era, although it would not
surprise me if our lords and masters and their tame geniuses gave it
another shot or two regardless of the lack of positive results.  They
probably don't know what else to do.

So, how much further will the funny money go, and then what's next?

The rightarded seem to lack for any solutions at all.  Lots of spinning
and whining and not even a hint of any solutions to the problem.  Very
similar to health care.  Nothing in the way of positive policy.  Just
whining.

The American dollar must be devalued much further than is the case right
now.  There is no other solution to the problem of middle class decay in
the United States.  We are the only country in the G20 that has a large
trade deficit.  And that deficit is because the American dollar is still
far too strong.  Jobs will not return to America until we stop the glut
of free trade by a combination of minor protectionism and dollar
devaluation.  That same devaluation if accomplished via increased wages
and social welfare will also fix the Housing/credit problem.  Bailing out
banks is not the solution.  Bailing out manufacturing of any kind is
advisable and so to are minor tariffs and policies that insist on
stimulus money being used to "buy American" (or at least to buy NORTH
American).

Looks to me like spreading funny money around can't generate employment.

No employment, no wages;

no wages,

no consumption; no consumption, no business; no business, no employment.

But you knew that already.

We may be reaching the end of the funny-money era,

although it would not surprise me if our lords and masters

and their tame geniuses gave it another shot
or two regardless of the lack of positive results.
They probably don't know what else to do.

So, how much further will the funny money go,

and then what's next?

Looks to me like spreading funny money around can't generate employment.
No employment, no wages; no wages, no consumption; no consumption, no
business; no business, no employment. But you knew that already.

We may be reaching the end of the funny-money era, although it would not
surprise me if our lords and masters and their tame geniuses gave it
another shot or two regardless of the lack of positive results. They
probably don't know what else to do.

So, how much further will the funny money go, and then what's next?

Anarcissie wrote

Looks to me like spreading funny money around can't generate
employment. No employment, no wages; no wages, no consumption; no
consumption, no business; no business, no employment. But you knew
that already.

We may be reaching the end of the funny-money era, although it would
not surprise me if our lords and masters and their tame geniuses
gave it another shot or two regardless of the lack of positive
results. They probably don't know what else to do.

So, how much further will the funny money go, and then what's next?

The rightarded seem to lack for any solutions at all.

Lots of spinning and whining and not even a hint of any solutions to the problem.

Very similar to health care. Nothing in the way of positive policy. Just whining.

The American dollar must be devalued much further than is the case right now.

There is no other solution to the problem of middle class decay in the United States.

We are the only country in the G20 that has a large trade deficit.

And that deficit is because the American dollar is still far too strong.

Jobs will not return to America until we stop the glut of free trade
by a combination of minor protectionism and dollar devaluation.

That same devaluation if accomplished via increased wages
and social welfare will also fix the Housing/credit problem.

Bailing out banks is not the solution.

Bailing out manufacturing of any kind is advisable and so to are
minor tariffs and policies that insist on stimulus money being
used to "buy American" (or at least to buy NORTH American).

Anarcissie <anarcis... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote

Looks to me like spreading funny money around can't
generate employment. No employment, no wages; no
wages, no consumption; no consumption, no business;
no business, no employment. But you knew that already.

We may be reaching the end of the funny-money era,
although it would not surprise me if our lords and masters
and their tame geniuses gave it another shot or two
regardless of the lack of positive results. They
probably don't know what else to do.

So, how much further will the funny money go, and then what's next?

look to history for that answer.... its a repeating cycle.. for a
superb long cycle discussion (260 year life cycle of nations)
see Dr Ravi Batra's book the comming depression 1990

we are in the final phase of that cycle,...

collapse from the last peak

(we just went though that 15 years ago,

runs about 20 years,,, with the final implosing taking just days,

the book plots the drivers for these long cycles,,,

human nature, we start strong, get fat and lazy then corrupt, the
elect idiots, then ruin our currency with corruption then attempt to
recover by war and seizing others assets land or oil etc....

then the counter attack on a three hundred sixty degree
perimeter takes the nation out. loss of empire,

though the nation itself still sits in the same land

phil scott wrote
Anarcissie <anarcis... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote

Looks to me like spreading funny money around can't
generate employment. No employment, no wages; no
wages, no consumption; no consumption, no business;
no business, no employment. But you knew that already.

We may be reaching the end of the funny-money era,
although it would not surprise me if our lords and masters
and their tame geniuses gave it another shot or two
regardless of the lack of positive results. They
probably don't know what else to do.

So, how much further will the funny money go, and then what's next?

look to history for that answer.... its a repeating cycle.. for a
superb long cycle discussion (260 year life cycle of nations)
see Dr Ravi Batra's book the comming depression 1990

That fool has never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.

Not only didnt we get a depression in 1990, we didnt even get one just recently
when the clowns completely imploded the entire world financial system, AGAIN.

we are in the final phase of that cycle,...

Nope.

collapse from the last peak

There has been no collapse from any peak.

(we just went though that 15 years ago,

Bare faced pig ignorant lie. We actually saw the longest boom in history instead.

runs about 20 years,,, with the final implosing taking just days,

That has never EVER happened. NOT ONCE.

the book plots the drivers for these long cycles,,,

He couldnt even get the basics right.

human nature, we start strong, get fat and lazy then corrupt, the
elect idiots, then ruin our currency with corruption then attempt to
recover by war and seizing others assets land or oil etc....

You cant list even a single example of that ever happening.

then the counter attack on a three hundred sixty degree
perimeter takes the nation out. loss of empire,

That hasnt happened that way either.

though the nation itself still sits in the same land

And we have never ever seen even single one imploding in just days.

What we have actually seen is a few just fading away
into obscurity instead over half a century or so.

The rightarded seem to lack for any solutions at all.

Michael Coburn <mik... at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote
Anarcissie wrote

Looks to me like spreading funny money around can't generate
employment. No employment, no wages; no wages, no consumption; no
consumption, no business; no business, no employment. But you knew
that already.

We may be reaching the end of the funny-money era, although it
would not surprise me if our lords and masters and their tame
geniuses gave it another shot or two regardless of the lack of
positive results. They probably don't know what else to do.

So, how much further will the funny money go, and then what's next?

The rightarded seem to lack for any solutions at all. Lots of
spinning and whining and not even a hint of any solutions to the
problem. Very similar to health care. Nothing in the way of positive
policy. Just whining.

The American dollar must be devalued much further than is the case
right now. There is no other solution to the problem of middle class
decay in the United States. We are the only country in the G20 that
has a large trade deficit. And that deficit is because the American
dollar is still far too strong. Jobs will not return to America
until we stop the glut of free trade by a combination of minor
protectionism and dollar devaluation. That same devaluation if
accomplished via increased wages and social welfare will also fix
the Housing/credit problem. Bailing out banks is not the solution.
Bailing out manufacturing of any kind is advisable and so to are
minor tariffs and policies that insist on stimulus money being used
to "buy American" (or at least to buy NORTH American).

Inflating the money seriously would generally tax
those on fixed incomes and those with savings
accounts and the like tied to currency values,

that is, poor people.

I suppose this would loosen up a certain amount of value,

but I can't see that it would fix the large structural
problems caused by deindustrialization

and years and years of inflated credit.

One might also want to recall the results
of the inflation in Germany in the 1920s

-- there is no particular reason to believe that, if the
savings and pensions of the working and middle classes
are wiped out, they will take the blow passively.

There is also the problem of the huge debts owed to
foreigners which must be refinanced from time to time.

If a policy of strong inflation goes into
effect, the interest rates won't be pretty.

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote
phil scott wrote
Anarcissie <anarcis... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote

Looks to me like spreading funny money around can't
generate employment. No employment, no wages; no
wages, no consumption; no consumption, no business;
no business, no employment. But you knew that already.

We may be reaching the end of the funny-money era,
although it would not surprise me if our lords and masters
and their tame geniuses gave it another shot or two
regardless of the lack of positive results. They
probably don't know what else to do.

So, how much further will the funny money go, and then what's next?

look to history for that answer.... its a repeating cycle.. for a
superb long cycle discussion (260 year life cycle of nations)
see Dr Ravi Batra's book the comming depression 1990

That fool has never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.

Not only didnt we get a depression in 1990, we didnt even get one
just recently when the clowns completely imploded the entire world
financial system, AGAIN.

we ain't done yet.

we are in the final phase of that cycle,...

Nope.

collapse from the last peak

There has been no collapse from any peak.

(we just went though that 15 years ago,

Bare faced pig ignorant lie. We actually saw the longest boom in history instead.

runs about 20 years,,, with the final implosing taking just days,

That has never EVER happened. NOT ONCE.

the book plots the drivers for these long cycles,,,

He couldnt even get the basics right.

human nature, we start strong, get fat and lazy then corrupt, the
elect idiots, then ruin our currency with corruption then attempt to
recover by war and seizing others assets land or oil etc....

You cant list even a single example of that ever happening.

then the counter attack on a three hundred sixty degree
perimeter takes the nation out. loss of empire,

That hasnt happened that way either.

though the nation itself still sits in the same land

And we have never ever seen even single one imploding in just days.

What we have actually seen is a few just fading away
into obscurity instead over half a century or so.

Michael Coburn <mikcob at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote

The rightarded seem to lack for any solutions at all.

If the government stops wrecking the market, the market
will right itself rapidly, as it always has in the past.

Recall the wonderful stimulus chart?

Obama threatened us, that the stimulus had to passed urgently,
urgently, for if the stimulus was not passed, unemployment
would rise to a horrifying eight percent by 2009 October.

He got that part right.

On Nov 6, 6:24 pm, Michael Coburn <mik... at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote:
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Inflating the money seriously would generally tax those on fixed incomes
and those with savings accounts and the like tied to currency values,
that is, poor people.

I suppose this would loosen up a certain amount
of value, but I can't see that it would fix the large structural
problems caused by deindustrialization and years and years of inflated
credit.

One might also want to recall the results of the inflation in
Germany in the 1920s --

if the savings and pensions of the working and middle classes are wiped
out, they will take the blow passively.

There is also the problem of the huge debts owed to foreigners which
must be refinanced from time to time. If a policy of strong inflation
goes into effect, the interest rates won't be pretty.

Looks to me like spreading funny money around can't
generate employment.