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Obama has never been anti gun. You're a fucking loon.
You are so easy, you really aren't any good at this at all:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm#Gun_Control
# Opposed bill okaying illegal gun use in home invasions. (Aug 2008)
# Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)
# FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban. (Apr 2008)
# April 2008: "Bittergate" labeled Obama elitist. (Apr 2008)
# Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)
# Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing. (Jan 2008)
# 2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month. (Oct
2007) # Concealed carry OK for retired police officers. (Aug 2007)
# Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)
# Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)
# Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban. (Oct 2004)
# Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
# Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
And the details
http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm
Barack Obama on Gun Control
Junior Senator (IL); President-Elect
Opposed bill okaying illegal gun use in home invasions
Hale DeMar, a 52-year-old Wilmette resident, was arrested and charged
with misdemeanor violations for shooting, in the shoulder and leg, a
burglar who broke into his home not once, but twice. Cook County
prosecutors dropped all charges against DeMar.
In March 2004, the Illinois Senate passed Senate Bill 2165, a law
introduced in response to DeMar's case, with provisions designed to
assert a right of citizens to protect themselves against home invasions,
such that self-defense requirements would be viewed to take precedence
over local ordinances against handgun possession. The measure passed the
Illinois Senate by a vote of 38- 20. Barack Obama was one of the 20 state
senators voting against the measure.
Governor Rod Blagojevich vetoed the bill. On Nov. 9, 2004, the Illinois
Senate voted 40-18 to override Blagojevich's veto. Again, Obama acted
against the bill.
On Nov. 17, the Illinois House voted overwhelmingly, 85-30, to override
the governor's veto and Senate Bill 2165 became law.
Source: Obama Nation, by Jerome Corsi, p.241-242 Aug 1, 2008
Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws
Q: Is the D.C. law prohibiting ownership of handguns consistent with an
individual’s right to bear arms?
A: As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an
individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual
right does not mean that the state or local government can’t constrain
the exercise of that right, in the same way that we have a right to
private property but local governments can establish zoning ordinances
that determine how you can use it.
Q: But do you still favor the registration & licensing of guns?
A: I think we can provide common-sense approaches to the issue of illegal
guns that are ending up on the streets. We can make sure that criminals
don’t have guns in their hands. We can make certain that those who are
mentally deranged are not getting a hold of handguns. We can trace guns
that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers that may be
selling to straw purchasers and dumping them on the streets.
Source: 2008 Philadelphia primary debate, on eve of PA primary Apr 16,
2008
FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban
Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been
on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of
handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, “No, my writing wasn’t on that
particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban
on handguns.”
Actually, Obama’s writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when
Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit,
Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard
line:
35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.
Obama’s campaign said, “Sen. Obama didn’t fill out these state Senate
questionnaires--a staffer did--and there are several answers that didn’t
reflect his views then or now. He may have jotted some notes on the front
page of the questionnaire, but some answers didn’t reflect his views.”
Source: FactCheck.org analysis of 2008 Philadelphia primary debate Apr
16, 2008
April 2008: "Bittergate" labeled Obama elitist
April 11th produced "Bittergate." The Huffington Post website posted an
explanation Obama gave at a private fundraiser in San Francisco of the
challenges he faced with working-class voters in Pennsylvania and
Indiana. "It's not surprising they get bitter," he said, referring to
decades of constrained economic opportunities. "They cling to guns or
religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant
sentiment or anti- trade sentiment as a way to explain their
frustrations."
Clinton said the remarks were "not reflective of the values and beliefs
of Americans." McCain said Obama showed "breathtaking" elitism. Obama
challenged the accusations, and noted in response to the charge of
elitism that he had been raised by a single mother who relied on food
stamps, but conceded he could have been more diplomatic.
Source: Obama for Beginners, by Bob Neer, p. 61 Apr 1, 2008
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok
Q: You said recently, “I have no intention of taking away folks’ guns.”
But you support the D.C. handgun ban, and you’ve said that it’s
constitutional. How do you reconcile those two positions?
A: Because I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country. I
think it’s important for us to recognize that we’ve got a tradition of
handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of law-abiding
citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their
families. We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of
illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a
community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the
streets. And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms
of background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have
reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respect the
Second Amendment and people’s traditions. Source: 2008 Politico
pre-Potomac Primary interview Feb 11, 2008
Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing
Q: When you were in the state senate, you talked about licensing and
registering gun owners. Would you do that as president?
A: I don’t think that we can get that done. But what we can do is to
provide just some common-sense enforcement. The efforts by law
enforcement to obtain the information required to trace back guns that
have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers. As president, I
intend to make it happen. We essentially have two realities, when it
comes to guns, in this country. You’ve got the tradition of lawful gun
ownership. It is very important for many Americans to be able to hunt,
fish, take their kids out, teach them how to shoot. Then you’ve got the
reality of 34 Chicago public school students who get shot down on the
streets of Chicago. We can reconcile those two realities by making sure
the Second Amendment is respected and that people are able to lawfully
own guns, but that we also start cracking down on the kinds of abuses of
firearms that we see on the streets. Source: 2008 Democratic debate in
Las Vegas Jan 15, 2008
2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month
Obama sought moderate gun control measures, such as a 2000 bill he
cosponsored to limit handgun purchases to one per month (it did not
pass). He voted against letting people violate local weapons bans in
cases of self- defense, but also voted in2004 to let retired police
officers carry concealed handguns. Source: The Improbable Quest, by John
K. Wilson, p.148 Oct 30, 2007
Concealed carry OK for retired police officers
Obama voted for a bill in the Illinois senate that allowed retired law
enforcement officers to carry concealed weapons. If there was any issue
on which Obama rarely deviated, it was gun control. He was the most
strident candidate when it came to enforcin and expanding gun control
laws. So this vote jumped out as inconsistent.
When I queried him about the vote, he said, “I didn’t find that [vote]
surprising. I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record
as opposing concealed carry. This was a narrow exception in an
exceptional circumstance where a retired police officer might find
himself vulnerable as a consequence of the work he has previously
done--and had been trained extensively in the proper use of firearms.“
It wasn’t until a few weeks later that another theory came forward about
the uncharacteristic vote. Obama was battling with his GOP opponent to
win the endorsement of the Fraternal Order of Police.
Source: From Promise to Power, by David Mendell, p.250-251 Aug 14, 2007
Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities
Q: How would you address gun violence that continues to be the #1 cause
of death among African-American men?
A: You know, when the massacre happened at Virginia Tech, I think all of
us were grief stricken and shocked by the carnage. But in this year
alone, in Chicago, we’ve had 34 Chicago public school students gunned
down and killed. And for the most part, there has been silence. We know
what to do. We’ve got to enforce the gun laws that are on the books.
We’ve got to make sure that unscrupulous gun dealers aren’t loading up
vans and dumping guns in our communities, because we know they’re not
made in our communities. There aren’t any gun manufacturers here, right
here in the middle of Detroit. But what we also have to do is to make
sure that we change our politics so that we care just as much about those
30-some children in Chicago who’ve been shot as we do the children in
Virginia Tech. That’s a mindset that we have to have in the White House
and we don’t have it right now. Source: 2007 NAACP Presidential Primary
Forum Jul 12, 2007
Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality
I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders
must say so in the face of the gun manfuacturer’s lobby. But I also
believe that when a gangbanger shoots indiscriminately into a crowd
because he feels someone disrespected him, we have a problem of morality.
Not only do ew need to punish thatman for his crime, but we need to
acknowledge that there’s a hole in his heart, one that government
programs alone may not be able to repair. Source: The Audacity of Hope,
by Barack Obama, p.215 Oct 1, 2006
Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban
KEYES: [to Obama]: I am a strong believer in the second amendment. The
gun control mentality is ruthlessly absurd. It suggests that we should
pass a law that prevents law abiding citizens from carrying weapons. You
end up with a situation where the crook have all the guns and the law
abiding citizens cannot defend themselves. I guess that’s good enough for
Senator Obama who voted against the bill that would have allowed
homeowners to defend themselves if their homes were broken into.
OBAMA: Let’s be honest. Mr. Keyes does not believe in common gun control
measures like the assault weapons bill. Mr. Keyes does not believe in any
limits from what I can tell with respect to the possession of guns,
including assault weapons that have only one purpose, to kill people. I
think it is a scandal that this president did not authorize a renewal of
the assault weapons ban.
Source: Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes Oct 21,
2004
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions
* Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:Ban the sale or
transfer
of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
* Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of
firearms. * Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with
firearms.
Source: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul
2, 1998
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.
A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or
continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of
firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting
from the misuse of their products by others. Voting YES would:
* Exempt lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer
a
firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime
* Exempt lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical
injury
or property damage due solely to a product defect
* Call for the dismissal of all qualified civil liability actions
pending
on the date of enactment by the court in which the action was brought
* Prohibit the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor
piercing
ammunition, and sets a minimum prison term of 15 years for violations
* Require all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who
engage in
the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices
Or there is this:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/30/obama-and-guns/
And this:
http://www.rense.com/general83/gun.htm
Obama On Gun Control - The Facts
By SCRIBE From Rumor Mill News 9-14-8
HERE ARE THE FACTS:
On the Second Amendment, Don't Believe Obama
The presidential primary season is finally over, and it is now time for
gun owners to take a careful look at just where nominee Barack Obama
stands on issues related to the Second Amendment. During the primaries,
Obama tried to hide behind vague statements of support for "sportsmen" or
unfounded claims of general support for the right to keep and bear arms.
But his real record, based on votes taken, political associations, and
long standing positions, shows that Barack Obama is a serious threat to
Second Amendment liberties. Don't listen to his campaign rhetoric! Look
instead to what he has said and done during his entire political career.
****Numbers in Brackets correspond to supporting evidence below****
FACT: Barack Obama opposes four of the five Supreme Court justices who
affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms. He voted against the
confirmation of Alito and Roberts and he has stated he would not have
appointed Thomas or Scalia. (17)
FACT: Barack Obama voted for an Illinois State Senate bill to ban and
confiscate "assault weapons," but the bill was so poorly crafted, it
would have also banned most semi-auto and single and double barrel
shotguns commonly used by sportsmen. (18)
FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt
the firearms industry. (1)
FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton
Gun Ban. (15)
FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used
for hunting and sport shooting. (3)
FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax
on firearms and ammunition. (9)
FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership. (2)
FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C.,
and other cities. (4)
FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal
prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense. (5)
FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration. (6)
FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support
of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.
FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws. (7)
FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce
Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and
"research." (8)
FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles
of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in
America. (9)
FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of
Illinois did records searches on them. (10)
FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners
Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to
assist young people in the military. (11)
FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines. (12)
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping. (13)
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods. (2)
FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which
prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being
used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers. (14)
FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month handgun purchase
restrictions. (16)
FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns. (9)
FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued
firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for
replacement equipment. (9)
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for
all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of
21. (9)
******
1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 29, 2005.
(http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_
cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00219)
2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization
general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this
survey were described in "Obama had greater role on liberal survey,"
Politico, March 31, 2008.
(http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html)
3. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July
29, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/
roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00217)
4. David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: 'Common Sense
Regulation' On Gun Owners' Rights," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog,
http://blogs.abcnews.com, 2/15/08.
(http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/obama-common-se.html)
5. Illinois Senate, SB 2165, March 25, 2004, vote 20 and May 25, 2004,
vote 3.
6. "Fact Check: No News In Obama's Consistent Record." Obama '08,
December 11, 2007.
(http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/12/11/fact_check_no_news_in_oba
mas _c.php)
7. "Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote," Pittsburgh
Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart
On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04.
(http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_560181.html)
8. 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7.
9. "Obama and Gun Control," The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago
Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. (<http://www.volokh.com/posts/1203389334.shtml)
10. Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.
11. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2003, SB 2163, vote 18.
12. "Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control," Radio Iowa, Sunday, April
22, 2007.
(http://learfield.typepad.com/radioiowa/2007/04/clinton_edwards.html)
13. Chicago Tribune blogs, "Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action,"
February 15, 2008,
(http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/barack_obama_comments_on_
sho ot.html)
14. Barack Obama campaign website: "As president, Barack Obama would
repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . ."
(http://www.barackobama.com/issues/urbanpolicy/
#crime-and-law-enforcement.)
15. Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes
(http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm
and
http://www.ontheissues.org/IL_2004_Senate_3rd.htm) Oct 21, 2004.
16. Illinois Senate, May 16, 2003, HB 2579, vote 34.
17. United States Senate vote 245, September 29, 2005 and vote 2, January
31, 2006 and Saddleback Forum, August 16, 2008.
18. Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee, March 13, 2003. To see the vote
tally go to:
http://www.nrapvf.org/Media/pdf/sb1195_obama.pdf.
So pretty much we caught you lieing again. What a shock!
Don't you get tired and embarassed being shown for a fool ALL the time?
Toodles,
Frank
I don't think that's anti-gun at all. It's all common sense to me.
You're wrong again.
