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Smiler...
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:43 pm
Guest
Dr. Smartass, Troll Veterinarian wrote:
Quote:
"Smiler" <Smiler at (no spam) joe.king.com> wrote in news:USqIm.33116$Ro6.15585
at (no spam) newsfe10.ams2:

Puck Greenman wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:58:43 -0800 (PST), Osprey
Osprey65 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

Completely wrong. If you don't want a gay
marriage, don't get one. SSM doesn't define my
marriage in any way or form. If you think it does
affect your marriage, the problem lies with you.


You are a homo, I knew it.


You have got to be one of the most narrow minded, fuckwits in
Usenet.

Of all the mindless assertions, "You aint homophobic, therefore you
are gay", that must be the most stupid.

If we use his 'argument', then 48% of Californians must be gay, as
they voted against Prop 8.
How much more stupid can he get?

How long before he passes his own even horizon on the way in and
collapses into his own stupid?

It would appear that that may have already happened.
There's an infinite amount of stupid out there, but he appears to have
cornered the market.

--
Smiler
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
All gods are bespoke. They're all made to
perfectly fit the prejudices of their believer
 
The Chief Instigator...
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:44 pm
Guest
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:09:18 -0800 (PST), Osprey <Osprey65 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Nov 6, 1:02?pm, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/6/09 12:42 PM, * Osprey wrote:

On Nov 6, 10:31 am, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/6/09 10:25 AM, * Osprey wrote:

On Nov 6, 10:04 am, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/6/09 12:44 AM, * Osprey wrote:
On Nov 5, 11:21 pm, Uncle Vic <addr... at (no spam) withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, Osprey <Ospre... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
As I've said before, I believe in God's word. And according to what my
understanding is, it's not an acceptable behavior in God's eyes.
But you have to admit, not all US citizens believe this.
That's true. ?But the question that was asked of someone in this
thread was how does supporting SSM harm them. ?And that is what I am
addressing. For people who believe that homosexuality is a sin in
God's eyes, to turn around and then support gay marriage would be a
conflict in their beliefs.
That then is a problem with them
No it's not. It's no more of a problem with them than you having your
own opinions.
If they are comfortable with their opinion, there is no problem.
It becomes a problem, when YOU have a problem with it.
And even then, it's not a problem with them..it's a problem with you.
Yes, it IS a problem ....

Only with you.

In truth, the problem lies with ...

you.

Oopsey runs away again; no film at 10.

--
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www.io.com/~patrick/aeros.php (TCI's 2008-09 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Houston 4, Manitoba 1 (November 5)
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The Chief Instigator...
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:48 pm
Guest
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:03:01 -0800 (PST), Osprey <Osprey65 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Nov 6, 8:21?am, Puck Greenman <dubh_gh... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:46:43 -0800 (PST), Osprey <Ospre... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 5, 3:03?pm, Puck Greenman <dubh_gh... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:53:46 -0800 (PST), Osprey <Ospre... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 5, 12:13?pm, "thomas p." <gudl... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Osprey wrote:
On Nov 4, 7:42 pm, Uncle Vic <vic... at (no spam) inreach.com> wrote:
On Nov 4, 10:41 am, Osprey <Ospre... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

Who cares, you prefer penis..I don't care.

Hypocrite! It bothers you deeply that a minority group of US citizens
wants the same rights you have. If you didn't care, like I don't
care, you wouldn't be bothered by this.

I'm not bothered by it at all. ?I don't care what you want. ?You and
other's like you are not going to bully other people around into
changing their own opinions.
So just deal with it.

How would legalized same-sex marriage force you to change your opinion? ?For
example divorce is legal, did that force the Catholic Church to change its
opinion?

Legalized SSM would "not" force me to change my opinion. I never said
it would.

Then why are you so scared of it?-

Scared of what? ?Seriously, is this the best you can do?

Evasion noted.-

Ah, my question stumped you.
I asked you..

Scared of what, and you know you have no answer.

Can the moronic soliloquy, for once in your surreal life.

--
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www.io.com/~patrick/aeros.php (TCI's 2008-09 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Houston 4, Manitoba 1 (November 5)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, November 7 vs. San Antonio, 7:35
 
IAAH...
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:00 pm
Guest
On 11/6/09 8:06 PM, * Osprey wrote:
Quote:
On Nov 6, 7:00 pm, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/6/09 5:39 PM, * Osprey wrote:





On Nov 6, 4:50 pm, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/6/09 4:43 PM, * Osprey wrote:
On Nov 6, 4:36 pm, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/6/09 4:24 PM, * Osprey wrote:
On Nov 6, 4:11 pm, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/6/09 1:46 PM, * Osprey wrote:
On Nov 6, 1:23 pm, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/6/09 1:09 PM, * Osprey wrote:
On Nov 6, 1:02 pm, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/6/09 12:42 PM, * Osprey wrote:
On Nov 6, 10:31 am, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/6/09 10:25 AM, * Osprey wrote:
On Nov 6, 10:04 am, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/6/09 12:44 AM, * Osprey wrote:
On Nov 5, 11:21 pm, Uncle Vic <addr... at (no spam) withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, Osprey <Ospre... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
As I've said before, I believe in God's word. And according to what my
understanding is, it's not an acceptable behavior in God's eyes.
But you have to admit, not all US citizens believe this.
That's true. But the question that was asked of someone in this
thread was how does supporting SSM harm them. And that is what I am
addressing. For people who believe that homosexuality is a sin in
God's eyes, to turn around and then support gay marriage would be a
conflict in their beliefs.
That then is a problem with them
No it's not. It's no more of a problem with them than you having your
own opinions.
If they are comfortable with their opinion, there is no problem.
It becomes a problem, when YOU have a problem with it.
And even then, it's not a problem with them..it's a problem with you.
Yes, it IS a problem ....
Only with you.
In truth, the problem lies with ...
you.
So
You have a problem.
not only can't you answer the question but your
bigotry
As soon as you address your bigotry, Paranoid IAAH.
I asked you to demonstrate that and you utterly
failed, Bigoted Bipolar Bob.
Paranoid IAAH, I'm not going to ask your silly questions that are
based at you making up more assumptions.
I've explained my position very well and I'm very comfortable with my
opinoin. If you wish to remain paranoid and play silly games, you go
play with yourself.
Accusations without support are your usual game,
Bipolar Bob.
No Paranoid Adam, those are your games.
You just can't deal with the truth.
If there was any truth in what you said
And there is.
Then SHOW IT.

You just deny it. You are a very unreasonable person.

The usual excuse of someone who presents no evidence.

"You won't believe what I say on faith! That makes
you bigoted! Wah wah wah!"

Quote:








In regards to your rhetorical question, I never said SSM harmed me.
I asked what harm it would do, Bipolar Bob.
That would be up to the individual to answer, Paranoid IAAH.
What harm does it do to you if someone believes that the sexual acts
committed by homosexuals are a sin?
None at all.
Then why do you tell people to leave their religious viewpoints out of
it?
Why do you think you have the right to tell other people what matters
and what doesn't?
Religion has NO PLACE in lawmaking,
Religion has a LOT in lawmaking. In fact, most of our laws from the
beginning of time come from religious morals.
Wrong.

Nope, I am dead right on this.

So you're claiming that religion existed before
social groups, are you?

It should be interesting to see you prove THAT.
(Not that you will ever do such a thing, am I right?)

Quote:


Thou Shalt Not kill.
Which is a law that comes from a lot further back
than you even know, Bipolar Bob.

Prove it, Paranoid Adam.

Social groups existed well before religion,
Bipolar Bob.

Especially YOUR religion.

Quote:




which is what
I *actually* said. Denying rights to homosexuals
based on religion *is* harm.
But I'm not at all surprised that you had to go
with your usual strategy of creative omission.
"yawn"
Admitted by you, then.

No, but it's a lie by you though.

Bipolar Bob thinks that denying fundamental rights
to minorities isn't a harm in any wise, it seems.
That's the usual bigot rallying cry.

Quote:








But then, I'm not a member of a
minority being oppressed and denied rights by a
hyper-religious sect that can't mind their own
business. I also don't have to deal with cowards
like you
Aww, Paranoid Adam thinks I am a coward. Oh my, now what?
"Knows". Not "thinks".
Oh..
o.k.
snicker
And?

And what? I think your silliness is funny.

You're still undoubtedly and indisputably a
coward, Bipolar Bob.

"yawn"

Is this truly the best you can do Paranoid Adam?

You've been reduced to trying (badly) what worked
so well on you, back on me.

It's as well as I need to do, Bipolar Bob. This is
what you always do when you're overmastered. You
might as well be wearing a blinking neon sign that
says "I just got my ass kicked."

Quote:


Physically, intellectually, and morally. You're
the trifecta of wretched pusillanimity.



that think such groups should be allowed
to continue to oppress minorities.
And now Paranoid Adam just resorts to lying and leaving.
So denying rights to a minority isn't oppression now?
And again Paranoid Adam is trying to change the subject and continue
on lying about my position.
Well hey, you're the one continually offering
defence for bigotry.

Wrong again, you do not see me defending bigotry.
I don't defend yours, why would I defend anyone elses?

You were excusing oppression of a minority on
religious grounds, Bipolar Bob.
You needn't lie about it.

(restored, because you just had to be a coward and
avoid it)

You're the one continually offering defence for
bigotry. Not me. You're the one who keeps telling
people that standing up to (that's "to", remember.
You're the one standing up "for") religious
oppression is somehow bigotry.

A century and some ago you would have been the one
telling people that emancipationists were just
trying to "punish" everyone who worked on a
plantation, because they wanted to abolish slavery.

--
"I do not pretend to be able to prove that there
is no God. I equally cannot
prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian god
may exist; so may the gods of
Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But
no one of these hypotheses is
more probable than any other: they lie outside the
region of even probable
knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to
consider any of them."
Bertrand Russell
 
Smiler...
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:04 pm
Guest
Osprey wrote:
Quote:
On Nov 5, 12:16 pm, "thomas p." <gudl... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Osprey wrote:
On Nov 5, 11:18 am, rfisc... at (no spam) sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Osprey <Ospre... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 4, 10:38 pm, "pandora" <pand... at (no spam) peak.org> wrote:
"Osprey" <Ospre... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:bcaaa4ba-5836-4560-9119-df33c55bca1e at (no spam) p28g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 4, 1:43 pm, Uncle Vic <addr... at (no spam) withheld.com> wrote:

One fine day in alt.atheism, "J" <Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com> wrote:

Hopefully, this will be the end of this farce. How many times
do the people have to say "No"?

Until they can finally grasp the point that it is indecent to
believe you should be able to deny basic rights to others
without a reasonable foundation.

What is your reasonable foundation in trying to force others to
accept something they clearly don't want to accept?

*** Just don't attend any gay marriages. I'm sure they'll
appreciate it. And no one is forcing anything on you. Just ignore
it. It won't hurt you at all.

I never said hit hurt me at all. I don't care what you do. Like
I've always said before, if you want to hump a tree I've got a
whole entire woods behind me. Hump away. You will leave the trees
in my backyard alone.

Asshole doesn't care about justice or liberty. He just wants to
force people to live as he says (but not as he does, of course).

And of course Fischer goes to lying again.

Oh good, you are not against allowing same-sex marriage then.

What our legislators do with our laws, I will respect.
As I've said before, I believe in God's word. And according to what my
understanding is, it's not an acceptable behavior in God's eyes.

And your supposed god's word also says that it's not acceptable for you to
eat pork.
Would you accept it if a group of Jews and Moslems tried to get that passed
into law?
They believe eating pork's a sin, just as you believe homosexuality's a sin.
Are other's religious beliefs secondary to yours, under the law?
Or are personal religious beliefs nothing to do with what is and isn't law?

--
Smiler
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
All gods are bespoke. They're all made to
perfectly fit the prejudices of their believer
 
The Chief Instigator...
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:39 pm
Guest
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 17:06:36 -0800 (PST), Osprey <Osprey65 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Nov 6, 7:00?pm, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/6/09 5:39 PM, * Osprey wrote:

[...]

Quote:
And again Paranoid Adam is trying to change the subject and continue on
lying about my position.

Well hey, you're the one continually offering defence for bigotry.

Wrong again, you do not see me defending bigotry.

You don't read minds, Faux Cop. You've only demonstrated that a few
thousand times over your decade and change of idiocy.

Quote:
I don't defend yours, why would I defend anyone elses?


....

I don't respect you enough to read the rest of your garbage.

You don't respect anyone smarter than you, blimp of a buffoon that you are.
You've earned the disrespect given you in Usenet, Faux Cop.

--
Patrick L. "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick at (no spam) io.com) Houston, Texas
www.io.com/~patrick/aeros.php (TCI's 2008-09 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Houston 4, Manitoba 1 (November 5)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, November 7 vs. San Antonio, 7:35
 
The Chief Instigator...
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:42 pm
Guest
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:20:38 -0800 (PST), Osprey <Osprey65 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Nov 6, 9:04?pm, "Smiler" <Smi... at (no spam) joe.king.com> wrote:
Osprey wrote:
On Nov 5, 12:16 pm, "thomas p." <gudl... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Osprey wrote:
On Nov 5, 11:18 am, rfisc... at (no spam) sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Osprey <Ospre... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 4, 10:38 pm, "pandora" <pand... at (no spam) peak.org> wrote:
"Osprey" <Ospre... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:bcaaa4ba-5836-4560-9119-df33c55bca1e at (no spam) p28g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 4, 1:43 pm, Uncle Vic <addr... at (no spam) withheld.com> wrote:

One fine day in alt.atheism, "J" <Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com> wrote:

Hopefully, this will be the end of this farce. How many times
do the people have to say "No"?

Until they can finally grasp the point that it is indecent to
believe you should be able to deny basic rights to others
without a reasonable foundation.

What is your reasonable foundation in trying to force others to
accept something they clearly don't want to accept?

*** Just don't attend any gay marriages. I'm sure they'll
appreciate it. And no one is forcing anything on you. Just ignore
it. It won't hurt you at all.

I never said hit hurt me at all. I don't care what you do. Like
I've always said before, if you want to hump a tree I've got a
whole entire woods behind me. Hump away. You will leave the trees
in my backyard alone.

Asshole doesn't care about justice or liberty. He just wants to
force people to live as he says (but not as he does, of course).

And of course Fischer goes to lying again.

Oh good, you are not against allowing same-sex marriage then.

What our legislators do with our laws, I will respect.
As I've said before, I believe in God's word. And according to what my
understanding is, it's not an acceptable behavior in God's eyes.

And your supposed god's word also says that it's not acceptable for you to
eat pork.

Hmm, aren't you the one who claimed I had cornered the market in
stupid?
I think you were, so you don't mind if I just excuse you do you? After
all, you're not truly interested in discussing anything with me, after
all you made up your mind and assumed I am supposed to be so stupid.

So you can run along now.

It's just a coincidence that you support an opinion which is held by more
than a few of the readers of your brain-damaged imagination, Faux Cop.

--
Patrick L. "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick at (no spam) io.com) Houston, Texas
www.io.com/~patrick/aeros.php (TCI's 2008-09 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Houston 4, Manitoba 1 (November 5)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, November 7 vs. San Antonio, 7:35
 
IAAH...
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:57 pm
Guest
On 11/6/09 10:19 PM, * Osprey wrote:
Quote:
On Nov 6, 9:00 pm, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/6/09 8:06 PM, * Osprey wrote:





On Nov 6, 7:00 pm, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/6/09 5:39 PM, * Osprey wrote:
On Nov 6, 4:50 pm, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/6/09 4:43 PM, * Osprey wrote:
On Nov 6, 4:36 pm, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/6/09 4:24 PM, * Osprey wrote:
On Nov 6, 4:11 pm, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/6/09 1:46 PM, * Osprey wrote:
On Nov 6, 1:23 pm, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/6/09 1:09 PM, * Osprey wrote:
On Nov 6, 1:02 pm, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/6/09 12:42 PM, * Osprey wrote:
On Nov 6, 10:31 am, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/6/09 10:25 AM, * Osprey wrote:
On Nov 6, 10:04 am, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/6/09 12:44 AM, * Osprey wrote:
On Nov 5, 11:21 pm, Uncle Vic <addr... at (no spam) withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, Osprey <Ospre... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
As I've said before, I believe in God's word. And according to what my
understanding is, it's not an acceptable behavior in God's eyes.
But you have to admit, not all US citizens believe this.
That's true. But the question that was asked of someone in this
thread was how does supporting SSM harm them. And that is what I am
addressing. For people who believe that homosexuality is a sin in
God's eyes, to turn around and then support gay marriage would be a
conflict in their beliefs.
That then is a problem with them
No it's not. It's no more of a problem with them than you having your
own opinions.
If they are comfortable with their opinion, there is no problem.
It becomes a problem, when YOU have a problem with it.
And even then, it's not a problem with them..it's a problem with you.
Yes, it IS a problem ....
Only with you.
In truth, the problem lies with ...
you.
So
You have a problem.
not only can't you answer the question but your
bigotry
As soon as you address your bigotry, Paranoid IAAH.
I asked you to demonstrate that and you utterly
failed, Bigoted Bipolar Bob.
Paranoid IAAH, I'm not going to ask your silly questions that are
based at you making up more assumptions.
I've explained my position very well and I'm very comfortable with my
opinoin. If you wish to remain paranoid and play silly games, you go
play with yourself.
Accusations without support are your usual game,
Bipolar Bob.
No Paranoid Adam, those are your games.
You just can't deal with the truth.
If there was any truth in what you said
And there is.
Then SHOW IT.
You just deny it. You are a very unreasonable person.
The usual excuse of someone who presents no evidence.

Prove me wrong then. Show me you can be a reasonable person who can
discuss an issue without making up accussations and calling names.

Then bring up an issue where you're not defending
people who deserve all the invective they get.

Quote:








In regards to your rhetorical question, I never said SSM harmed me.
I asked what harm it would do, Bipolar Bob.
That would be up to the individual to answer, Paranoid IAAH.
What harm does it do to you if someone believes that the sexual acts
committed by homosexuals are a sin?
None at all.
Then why do you tell people to leave their religious viewpoints out of
it?
Why do you think you have the right to tell other people what matters
and what doesn't?
Religion has NO PLACE in lawmaking,
Religion has a LOT in lawmaking. In fact, most of our laws from the
beginning of time come from religious morals.
Wrong.
Nope, I am dead right on this.
So you're claiming that religion existed before
social groups, are you?

No, that's not what I said. There you go again, trying to twist
things around.

"Beginning of time".
Need I say more?

Quote:



Thou Shalt Not kill.
Which is a law that comes from a lot further back
than you even know, Bipolar Bob.
Prove it, Paranoid Adam.
Social groups existed well before religion,
Bipolar Bob.

Paranoid Adam,

Prove that "Thou shalt not kill" came from a lot further back than I
even know.

That is what you said.

Look up the history of religion v. the history of
organized social groups.

One is much older than the other.
Guess which one that is.

Quote:




which is what
I *actually* said. Denying rights to homosexuals
based on religion *is* harm.
But I'm not at all surprised that you had to go
with your usual strategy of creative omission.
"yawn"
Admitted by you, then.
No, but it's a lie by you though.
Bipolar Bob

Paranoid Adam.

thinks that denying fundamental rights
to minorities isn't a harm in any wise,

There you go lying again.

You're defending that action, Bipolar Bob.
So, either you think that religious oppression
isn't harmful, or you *do*, but you'll defend it
anyway.

Which one are you choosing?

Quote:








But then, I'm not a member of a
minority being oppressed and denied rights by a
hyper-religious sect that can't mind their own
business. I also don't have to deal with cowards
like you
Aww, Paranoid Adam thinks I am a coward. Oh my, now what?
"Knows". Not "thinks".
Oh..
o.k.
snicker
And?
And what? I think your silliness is funny.
You're still undoubtedly and indisputably a
coward, Bipolar Bob.
"yawn"
Is this truly the best you can do Paranoid Adam?
You've been reduced to trying (badly) what worked
so well on you, back on me.

It's as well as I need to do, Bipolar Bob. This is
what you always do when you're overmastered. You
might as well be wearing a blinking neon sign that
says "I just got my ass kicked."







Physically, intellectually, and morally. You're
the trifecta of wretched pusillanimity.
that think such groups should be allowed
to continue to oppress minorities.
And now Paranoid Adam just resorts to lying and leaving.
So denying rights to a minority isn't oppression now?
And again Paranoid Adam is trying to change the subject and continue
on lying about my position.
Well hey, you're the one continually offering
defence for bigotry.
Wrong again, you do not see me defending bigotry.
I don't defend yours, why would I defend anyone elses?
You were excusing oppression of a minority on
religious grounds, Bipolar Bob.

Paranoid Adam, no I wasn't excusing any such thing.


Yeah, you really did. More than once.


--
"I do not pretend to be able to prove that there
is no God. I equally cannot
prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian god
may exist; so may the gods of
Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But
no one of these hypotheses is
more probable than any other: they lie outside the
region of even probable
knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to
consider any of them."
Bertrand Russell
 
The Chief Instigator...
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:25 pm
Guest
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:48:50 -0800 (PST), Osprey <Osprey65 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Nov 6, 10:39?pm, The Chief Instigator <patr... at (no spam) io.com> wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 17:06:36 -0800 (PST), Osprey <Ospre... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 6, 7:00?pm, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/6/09 5:39 PM, * Osprey wrote:

[...]

And again Paranoid Adam is trying to change the subject and continue on
lying about my position.

Well hey, you're the one continually offering defence for bigotry.

Wrong again, you do not see me defending bigotry.

You don't read minds, Faux Cop. ?...

And you're still the village idiot, Chief Idiot.

Your opinion has all the value of a December 1921 Reichsmark, Faux Cop.

--
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LAST GAME: Houston 4, Manitoba 1 (November 5)
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IAAH...
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:28 pm
Guest
On 11/6/09 11:25 PM, * The Chief Instigator wrote:
Quote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:48:50 -0800 (PST), Osprey <Osprey65 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 6, 10:39?pm, The Chief Instigator <patr... at (no spam) io.com> wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 17:06:36 -0800 (PST), Osprey <Ospre... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 6, 7:00?pm, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/6/09 5:39 PM, * Osprey wrote:
[...]

And again Paranoid Adam is trying to change the subject and continue on
lying about my position.
Well hey, you're the one continually offering defence for bigotry.
Wrong again, you do not see me defending bigotry.
You don't read minds, Faux Cop. ?...
And you're still the village idiot, Chief Idiot.

Your opinion has all the value of a December 1921 Reichsmark, Faux Cop.


A Reichsmark may have historical and/or collector
value, of course.

Fishbreath has neither.

--
"I do not pretend to be able to prove that there
is no God. I equally cannot
prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian god
may exist; so may the gods of
Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But
no one of these hypotheses is
more probable than any other: they lie outside the
region of even probable
knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to
consider any of them."
Bertrand Russell
 
The Chief Instigator...
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:41 pm
Guest
On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:28:41 -0500, IAAH <no at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
Quote:
On 11/6/09 11:25 PM, * The Chief Instigator wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:48:50 -0800 (PST), Osprey <Osprey65 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 6, 10:39?pm, The Chief Instigator <patr... at (no spam) io.com> wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 17:06:36 -0800 (PST), Osprey <Ospre... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 6, 7:00?pm, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/6/09 5:39 PM, * Osprey wrote:
[...]

And again Paranoid Adam is trying to change the subject and continue on
lying about my position.
Well hey, you're the one continually offering defence for bigotry.
Wrong again, you do not see me defending bigotry.
You don't read minds, Faux Cop. ?...
And you're still the village idiot, Chief Idiot.

Your opinion has all the value of a December 1921 Reichsmark, Faux Cop.


A Reichsmark may have historical and/or collector
value, of course.

Fishbreath has neither.

Subscribe. ;-)

--
Patrick L. "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick at (no spam) io.com) Houston, Texas
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LAST GAME: Houston 4, Manitoba 1 (November 5)
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Ray Fischer...
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:44 pm
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Osprey <Osprey65 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Nov 5, 12:16 pm, "thomas p." <gudl... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Osprey wrote:
On Nov 5, 11:18 am, rfisc... at (no spam) sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:

Asshole doesn't care about justice or liberty. He just wants to force
people to live as he says (but not as he does, of course).

And of course Fischer goes to lying again.

Oh good, you are not against allowing same-sex  marriage then.

What our legislators do with our laws, I will respect.
As I've said before, I believe in God's word.

You must be joking, insane, or lying out of desperation.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer at (no spam) sonic.net
 
The Chief Instigator...
Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:00 am
Guest
On 07 Nov 2009 04:44:32 GMT, Ray Fischer <rfischer at (no spam) sonic.net> wrote:
Quote:
Osprey <Osprey65 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 5, 12:16?pm, "thomas p." <gudl... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Osprey wrote:
On Nov 5, 11:18 am, rfisc... at (no spam) sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:

Asshole doesn't care about justice or liberty. He just wants to force
people to live as he says (but not as he does, of course).

And of course Fischer goes to lying again.

Oh good, you are not against allowing same-sex ?marriage then.

What our legislators do with our laws, I will respect.
As I've said before, I believe in God's word.

You must be joking, insane, or lying out of desperation.


In Faux Cop's existence, it's probably a mix of all three.

--
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www.io.com/~patrick/aeros.php (TCI's 2008-09 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Houston 4, Manitoba 1 (November 5)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, November 7 vs. San Antonio, 7:35
 
Mitchell Holman...
Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:38 am
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Osprey <Osprey65 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in
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Quote:
On Nov 6, 9:00 pm, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/6/09 8:06 PM, * Osprey wrote:






The usual excuse of someone who presents no evidence.

Prove me wrong then.



"If you are going to make the claim, prove it. "
"Osprey" (robert heishman)
news:8912d58d.0307090126.4a25ab87 at (no spam) posting.google.com:
 
Smiler...
Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:27 pm
Guest
Osprey wrote:
Quote:
On Nov 6, 9:00 pm, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/6/09 8:06 PM, * Osprey wrote:





On Nov 6, 7:00 pm, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/6/09 5:39 PM, * Osprey wrote:

On Nov 6, 4:50 pm, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/6/09 4:43 PM, * Osprey wrote:
On Nov 6, 4:36 pm, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/6/09 4:24 PM, * Osprey wrote:
On Nov 6, 4:11 pm, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/6/09 1:46 PM, * Osprey wrote:
On Nov 6, 1:23 pm, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/6/09 1:09 PM, * Osprey wrote:
On Nov 6, 1:02 pm, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/6/09 12:42 PM, * Osprey wrote:
On Nov 6, 10:31 am, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/6/09 10:25 AM, * Osprey wrote:
On Nov 6, 10:04 am, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/6/09 12:44 AM, * Osprey wrote:
On Nov 5, 11:21 pm, Uncle Vic
addr... at (no spam) withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, Osprey
Ospre... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
As I've said before, I believe in God's word. And
according to what my understanding is, it's not
an acceptable behavior in God's eyes.
But you have to admit, not all US citizens believe
this.
That's true. But the question that was asked of
someone in this thread was how does supporting SSM
harm them. And that is what I am addressing. For
people who believe that homosexuality is a sin in
God's eyes, to turn around and then support gay
marriage would be a conflict in their beliefs.
That then is a problem with them
No it's not. It's no more of a problem with them than
you having your own opinions.
If they are comfortable with their opinion, there is
no problem.
It becomes a problem, when YOU have a problem with it.
And even then, it's not a problem with them..it's a
problem with you.
Yes, it IS a problem ....
Only with you.
In truth, the problem lies with ...
you.
So
You have a problem.
not only can't you answer the question but your
bigotry
As soon as you address your bigotry, Paranoid IAAH.
I asked you to demonstrate that and you utterly
failed, Bigoted Bipolar Bob.
Paranoid IAAH, I'm not going to ask your silly questions that
are based at you making up more assumptions.
I've explained my position very well and I'm very comfortable
with my opinoin. If you wish to remain paranoid and play
silly games, you go play with yourself.
Accusations without support are your usual game,
Bipolar Bob.
No Paranoid Adam, those are your games.
You just can't deal with the truth.
If there was any truth in what you said
And there is.
Then SHOW IT.

You just deny it. You are a very unreasonable person.

The usual excuse of someone who presents no evidence.

Prove me wrong then. Show me you can be a reasonable person who can
discuss an issue without making up accussations and calling names.


"That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence"
C. Hitchens

Quote:

In regards to your rhetorical question, I never said SSM
harmed me.
I asked what harm it would do, Bipolar Bob.
That would be up to the individual to answer, Paranoid IAAH.
What harm does it do to you if someone believes that the
sexual acts committed by homosexuals are a sin?
None at all.
Then why do you tell people to leave their religious viewpoints
out of it?
Why do you think you have the right to tell other people what
matters and what doesn't?
Religion has NO PLACE in lawmaking,
Religion has a LOT in lawmaking. In fact, most of our laws from
the beginning of time come from religious morals.
Wrong.

Nope, I am dead right on this.

So you're claiming that religion existed before
social groups, are you?

No, that's not what I said. There you go again, trying to twist
things around.


That is what you implied, even if you didn't use those exact words.

Quote:



Thou Shalt Not kill.
Which is a law that comes from a lot further back
than you even know, Bipolar Bob.

Prove it, Paranoid Adam.

Social groups existed well before religion,
Bipolar Bob.

Paranoid Adam,

Prove that "Thou shalt not kill" came from a lot further back than I
even know.

That is what you said.

Did the Israelites think that killing, robbery and lying was OK before the
decalogue was supposedly given to them?

Quote:

which is what
I *actually* said. Denying rights to homosexuals
based on religion *is* harm.
But I'm not at all surprised that you had to go
with your usual strategy of creative omission.
"yawn"
Admitted by you, then.

No, but it's a lie by you though.

Bipolar Bob

Paranoid Adam.

thinks that denying fundamental rights
to minorities isn't a harm in any wise,

There you go lying again.


It was an obvious lie when he accused you of 'thinking'.

Quote:

But then, I'm not a member of a
minority being oppressed and denied rights by a
hyper-religious sect that can't mind their own
business. I also don't have to deal with cowards
like you
Aww, Paranoid Adam thinks I am a coward. Oh my, now what?
"Knows". Not "thinks".
Oh..
o.k.
snicker
And?

And what? I think your silliness is funny.

You're still undoubtedly and indisputably a
coward, Bipolar Bob.

"yawn"

Is this truly the best you can do Paranoid Adam?

You've been reduced to trying (badly) what worked
so well on you, back on me.

It's as well as I need to do, Bipolar Bob. This is
what you always do when you're overmastered. You
might as well be wearing a blinking neon sign that
says "I just got my ass kicked."


Physically, intellectually, and morally. You're
the trifecta of wretched pusillanimity.

that think such groups should be allowed
to continue to oppress minorities.
And now Paranoid Adam just resorts to lying and leaving.
So denying rights to a minority isn't oppression now?
And again Paranoid Adam is trying to change the subject and
continue on lying about my position.
Well hey, you're the one continually offering
defence for bigotry.

Wrong again, you do not see me defending bigotry.
I don't defend yours, why would I defend anyone elses?

You were excusing oppression of a minority on
religious grounds, Bipolar Bob.

Paranoid Adam, no I wasn't excusing any such thing.

You were, liar.

--
Smiler
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
All gods are bespoke. They're all made to
perfectly fit the prejudices of their believer
 
 
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