On 11/4/09 12:09 PM, * Mike wrote:





On Nov 4, 10:28 am, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/4/09 11:15 AM, * Mike wrote:

On Nov 4, 9:57 am, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/4/09 10:51 AM, * Mike wrote:
On Nov 4, 9:41 am, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/4/09 10:35 AM, * Mike wrote:
On Nov 4, 9:18 am, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/4/09 10:11 AM, * noauth wrote:
"J" <Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com> wrote in messagenews:38on05.t26.17.1 at (no spam) news.alt.net...
Hopefully, this will be the end of this farce. How many times do the people
have to say "No"?
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE5A312O20091104
--
J Young
Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com
The voters in 30 states have voted against same-sex marriage.
The only states which have approved gay marriage, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Vermont, and Iowa, have done so by judicial fiat, not by popular vote.
It would seem that the left wishes to FORCE their will upon everyone else.
Get out of my classroom and dictionary, fascists!
And when a gay couple gets married, what exactly
is being forced on YOU?
Moral approval.  By trying to force a sea change in the definition of
marriage, the gays are looking to use the government to force approval
of their lifestyle on all of society.
Oh? So every time someone gets married someone is
coming to you for your 'moral approval', huh?
Bullshit. Try again. Nobody is requiring you to
approve of anything.
Obviously, the whole strategy is to go over all the people's heads and
get the government to force gay marriage in to society whether people
approve or not.  Anyone who lives in that society has had the radical
idea of gay marriage forced on them.
Yet NOBODY is asking for your approval, so your
point fails there. Approval is irrelevant in civil
rights matters. What is being forced on you?
It is not a civil rights matter.  That argument is phony through and
through, as gays have always been allowed to marry, go to school, and
vote.  Calling it a civil rights issue is slap in the face for the
blacks, who struggled for decades to get the same rights homosexuals
already had.
Since marriage has already been declared as a
fundamental human right multiple times in multiple
findings, it IS a civil rights matter. You are wrong.

Marriage, not "gay marriage."  

Marriage, not "heterosexual marriage".

 > You are talking about the artificial

right to redefine what marriage means for the whole of society.  

Completely wrong. If you don't want a gay
marriage, don't get one. SSM doesn't define my
marriage in any way or form. If you think it does
affect your marriage, the problem lies with you.

Mike <mgcullin at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 4, 9:18 am, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/4/09 10:11 AM, * noauth wrote:





"J" <Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com> wrote in messagenews:38on05.t26.17.1 at (no spam) news.alt.net...
Hopefully, this will be the end of this farce. How many times do the people
have to say "No"?

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE5A312O20091104

--
J Young
Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com

The voters in 30 states have voted against same-sex marriage.

The only states which have approved gay marriage, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Vermont, and
Iowa, have done so by judicial fiat, not by popular vote.

It would seem that the left wishes to FORCE their will upon everyone else.

Get out of my classroom and dictionary, fascists!

And when a gay couple gets married, what exactly
is being forced on YOU?

Moral approval.

But we're supposed to provide moral approval for your murderous hatred
and evil bigotry?

By trying to force a sea change in the definition of
marriage,

Stop lying, bigot.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer at (no spam) sonic.net

On Nov 4, 7:35 am, Mike <mgcul... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:





On Nov 4, 9:18 am, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:

On 11/4/09 10:11 AM, * noauth wrote:

"J" <Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com> wrote in messagenews:38on05.t26.17.1 at (no spam) news.alt.net...
Hopefully, this will be the end of this farce. How many times do the people
have to say "No"?

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE5A312O20091104

--
J Young
Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com

The voters in 30 states have voted against same-sex marriage.

The only states which have approved gay marriage, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Vermont, and Iowa, have done so by judicial fiat, not by popular vote.

It would seem that the left wishes to FORCE their will upon everyone else.

Get out of my classroom and dictionary, fascists!

And when a gay couple gets married, what exactly
is being forced on YOU?

Moral approval.  By trying to force a sea change in the definition of
marriage, the gays are looking to use the government to force approval
of their lifestyle on all of society.

Personally I do not give a rat's patootie as to whether you morally
approve of gay men and women or not.  That is irrelevant.  Your
approval is not needed.  Neither should you goive a rat's patootie
aboput whether I morally approve of all [or some] the things you
endorse.  That is irrelevant.  What is relevant is that each of us be
allowed to live our lives and participate in the free exercise of our
respective right, privileges and obligations without interference
except where absolutely necessary for the common good of the society.
Allowing gay men and women to marry the persons of their choice
neither impacts you personally or our society in a negative fashion.

One fine day in alt.atheism, "J" <Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com> wrote:

Hopefully, this will be the end of this farce. How many times do the
people have to say "No"?

Until they can finally grasp the point that it is indecent to believe you
should be able to deny basic rights to others without a reasonable
foundation.

On Nov 4, 9:18 am, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:



On 11/4/09 10:11 AM, * noauth wrote:

"J" <Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com> wrote in messagenews:38on05.t26.17.1 at (no spam) news.alt..net...
Hopefully, this will be the end of this farce. How many times do the people
have to say "No"?

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE5A312O20091104

--
J Young
Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com

The voters in 30 states have voted against same-sex marriage.

The only states which have approved gay marriage, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Vermont, and Iowa, have done so by judicial fiat, not by popular vote.

It would seem that the left wishes to FORCE their will upon everyone else.

Get out of my classroom and dictionary, fascists!

And when a gay couple gets married, what exactly
is being forced on YOU?

Moral approval.  By trying to force a sea change in the definition of
marriage, the gays are looking to use the government to force approval
of their lifestyle on all of society.

On 11/4/09 11:15 AM, * Mike wrote:
On Nov 4, 9:57 am, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/4/09 10:51 AM, * Mike wrote:





On Nov 4, 9:41 am, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/4/09 10:35 AM, * Mike wrote:
On Nov 4, 9:18 am, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/4/09 10:11 AM, * noauth wrote:
"J" <Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com> wrote in messagenews:38on05.t26.17.1 at (no spam) news.alt.net...
Hopefully, this will be the end of this farce. How many times do the people
have to say "No"?
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE5A312O20091104
--
J Young
Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com
The voters in 30 states have voted against same-sex marriage.
The only states which have approved gay marriage, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Vermont, and Iowa, have done so by judicial fiat, not by popular vote.
It would seem that the left wishes to FORCE their will upon everyone else.
Get out of my classroom and dictionary, fascists!
And when a gay couple gets married, what exactly
is being forced on YOU?
Moral approval. By trying to force a sea change in the definition of
marriage, the gays are looking to use the government to force approval
of their lifestyle on all of society.
Oh? So every time someone gets married someone is
coming to you for your 'moral approval', huh?
Bullshit. Try again. Nobody is requiring you to
approve of anything.
Obviously, the whole strategy is to go over all the people's heads and
get the government to force gay marriage in to society whether people
approve or not. Anyone who lives in that society has had the radical
idea of gay marriage forced on them.
Yet NOBODY is asking for your approval, so your
point fails there. Approval is irrelevant in civil
rights matters. What is being forced on you?

It is not a civil rights matter. That argument is phony through and
through, as gays have always been allowed to marry, go to school, and
vote. Calling it a civil rights issue is slap in the face for the
blacks, who struggled for decades to get the same rights homosexuals
already had.

Since marriage has already been declared as a
fundamental human right multiple times in multiple
findings, it IS a civil rights matter. You are wrong.

As for your "slap in the face" metaphor, when did
equal rights for black people become the point
where it all just stops?


There is nothing "radical" about marriage.

Marriage is not radical. Gay marriage is radical, as it seeks to
change the most elementary part of what constitutes marriage. It's as
radical as trying to make polygamy legal here, or allowing brothers
and sisters to wed. (I'm using the gays' own standard who say that
any consenting adults who love and care for each other should be able
to get married with the full blessings of society).

Not radical at all. Homosexual marriage is
thousands of years old. As for your strawman
argument about familial marriage, well, I reject
it since it's bullshit. That's not the common
argument at all.


The
radical thing here is that you think you're so
privileged and superior that your special
snowflake prejudice is good enough to deny rights
to a minority.

I know those sour grapes aren't going down very good, but the fact is,
gay marriage is a real loser. Don't expect it to get much better.

The sickening triumph coming from the bigots -
like you - who oppose equal rights smells bad. So
far there is not ONE reason against SSM that
stands up to intellectual scrutiny, and you
certainly haven't done anything to change that.

--
"I do not pretend to be able to prove that there
is no God. I equally cannot
prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian god
may exist; so may the gods of
Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But
no one of these hypotheses is
more probable than any other: they lie outside the
region of even probable
knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to
consider any of them."
Bertrand Russell

On 11/4/09 11:15 AM, * Mike wrote:





On Nov 4, 9:57 am, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/4/09 10:51 AM, * Mike wrote:

On Nov 4, 9:41 am, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/4/09 10:35 AM, * Mike wrote:
On Nov 4, 9:18 am, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/4/09 10:11 AM, * noauth wrote:
"J" <Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com> wrote in messagenews:38on05.t26.17.1 at (no spam) news..alt.net...
Hopefully, this will be the end of this farce. How many times do the people
have to say "No"?
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE5A312O20091104
--
J Young
Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com
The voters in 30 states have voted against same-sex marriage.
The only states which have approved gay marriage, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Vermont, and Iowa, have done so by judicial fiat, not by popular vote.
It would seem that the left wishes to FORCE their will upon everyone else.
Get out of my classroom and dictionary, fascists!
And when a gay couple gets married, what exactly
is being forced on YOU?
Moral approval.  By trying to force a sea change in the definition of
marriage, the gays are looking to use the government to force approval
of their lifestyle on all of society.
Oh? So every time someone gets married someone is
coming to you for your 'moral approval', huh?
Bullshit. Try again. Nobody is requiring you to
approve of anything.
Obviously, the whole strategy is to go over all the people's heads and
get the government to force gay marriage in to society whether people
approve or not.  Anyone who lives in that society has had the radical
idea of gay marriage forced on them.
Yet NOBODY is asking for your approval, so your
point fails there. Approval is irrelevant in civil
rights matters. What is being forced on you?

It is not a civil rights matter.  That argument is phony through and
through, as gays have always been allowed to marry, go to school, and
vote.  Calling it a civil rights issue is slap in the face for the
blacks, who struggled for decades to get the same rights homosexuals
already had.

Since marriage has already been declared as a
fundamental human right multiple times in multiple
findings, it IS a civil rights matter. You are wrong.

As for your "slap in the face" metaphor, when did
equal rights for black people become the point
where it all just stops?

There is nothing "radical" about marriage.

Marriage is not radical.  Gay marriage is radical, as it seeks to
change the most elementary part of what constitutes marriage.  It's as
radical as trying to make polygamy legal here, or allowing brothers
and sisters to wed.  (I'm using the gays' own standard who say that
any consenting adults who love and care for each other should be able
to get married with the full blessings of society).

Not radical at all. Homosexual marriage is
thousands of years old. As for your strawman
argument about familial marriage, well, I reject
it since it's bullshit. That's not the common
argument at all.

Against the backdrop of the whole sweep and scope of human history,

 The
radical thing here is that you think you're so
privileged and superior that your special
snowflake prejudice is good enough to deny rights
to a minority.

I know those sour grapes aren't going down very good, but the fact is,
gay marriage is a real loser.  Don't expect it to get much better.

The sickening triumph coming from the bigots -
like you - who oppose equal rights smells bad. So
far there is not ONE reason against SSM that
stands up to intellectual scrutiny, and you
certainly haven't done anything to change that.

--
"I do not pretend to be able to prove that there
is no God. I equally cannot
prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian god
may exist; so may the gods of
Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But
no one of these hypotheses is
more probable than any other: they lie outside the
region of even probable
knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to
consider any of them."
        Bertrand Russell

Hopefully, this will be the end of this farce. How many times do
the people have to say "No"?

On 11/4/09 12:58 PM, * Osprey wrote:





On Nov 4, 12:49 pm, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/4/09 12:09 PM, * Mike wrote:

On Nov 4, 10:28 am, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/4/09 11:15 AM, * Mike wrote:
On Nov 4, 9:57 am, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/4/09 10:51 AM, * Mike wrote:
On Nov 4, 9:41 am, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/4/09 10:35 AM, * Mike wrote:
On Nov 4, 9:18 am, IAAH <n... at (no spam) email.exist> wrote:
On 11/4/09 10:11 AM, * noauth wrote:
"J" <Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com> wrote in messagenews:38on05.t26.17.1 at (no spam) news.alt.net...
Hopefully, this will be the end of this farce. How many times do the people
have to say "No"?
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE5A312O20091104
--
J Young
Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com
The voters in 30 states have voted against same-sex marriage.
The only states which have approved gay marriage, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Vermont, and Iowa, have done so by judicial fiat, not by popular vote.
It would seem that the left wishes to FORCE their will upon everyone else.
Get out of my classroom and dictionary, fascists!
And when a gay couple gets married, what exactly
is being forced on YOU?
Moral approval.  By trying to force a sea change in the definition of
marriage, the gays are looking to use the government to force approval
of their lifestyle on all of society.
Oh? So every time someone gets married someone is
coming to you for your 'moral approval', huh?
Bullshit. Try again. Nobody is requiring you to
approve of anything.
Obviously, the whole strategy is to go over all the people's heads and
get the government to force gay marriage in to society whether people
approve or not.  Anyone who lives in that society has had the radical
idea of gay marriage forced on them.
Yet NOBODY is asking for your approval, so your
point fails there. Approval is irrelevant in civil
rights matters. What is being forced on you?
It is not a civil rights matter.  That argument is phony through and
through, as gays have always been allowed to marry, go to school, and
vote.  Calling it a civil rights issue is slap in the face for the
blacks, who struggled for decades to get the same rights homosexuals
already had.
Since marriage has already been declared as a
fundamental human right multiple times in multiple
findings, it IS a civil rights matter. You are wrong.
Marriage, not "gay marriage."  
Marriage, not "heterosexual marriage".

 > You are talking about the artificial

right to redefine what marriage means for the whole of society.  
Completely wrong. If you don't want a gay
marriage, don't get one. SSM doesn't define my
marriage in any way or form. If you think it does
affect your marriage, the problem lies with you.

You are a homo, I knew it. Why didn't you just come out and be honest
about it in the first place?  Oh wait, asking you to be honest is like
asking Obama not to break any of his campaign promises.

Mmmm, Bipolar Bob swings heavy into gay panic
mode. It's not unusual.

Look, you don't get it and you never will. You are a control freak,
like most libs.  You don't accept anyone elses thoughts or ideas on an
issue unless they match yours and if they don't you try to act like a
pit bull and go on the attack trying to basically coerce people into
agreeing with you.

An entire paragraph of ad-hominem, instead of
actually giving any arguments.

Still, being accused of being a control freak by a
bigot who wants to continue to deny equal rights
to minorities is quite priceless, n'est-ce pas?

Many people do not accept homosexual acts because they believe it's a
sin in God's eyes.  You don't have to believe that, wait you are a
homo of course you will not believe that.

More gay panic and irrelevant god-talk.

But for those who do believe that, you don't have the right to try and
change their mind. You simply don't have that kind of control and you
never will. So accept it and deal with it. You want people to accept
that you like to suck a penis and take one up in the anal cavity, then
you are going to have to accept the fact people are not going to look
favorably at you.

MORE gay panic -

on proudly telling us all about his encounters
with male prisoners.

Now, you ask what does your SSM marriage have to do with others.  I'm
going to explain why most don't approve of SSM.

I don't care if you approve or not.

couples don't either, because the approval of a
sticky little homophobe like yourself lies far
down below their radar.

The question is what harm does it do, Bipolar Bob?

Yes, it comes from a belief in God and the belief that homosexuality
is a sin.

Irrelevant. Your and their religion has no
bearing.

If a person who believes that supports your SSM or anyone else's SSM,
then that's the same thing as someone turning around and saying they
think homosexual acts are o.k.

No, it really isn't.

made up for yourself so you don't have to admit
your bigotry. Gay couples don't want your
"support". I'm entirely sure that they'd rather
you just left them alone, bigot.



And for people who believe that is a sin, that brings up conflict.  So
many people who believe it is a sin will not support SSM.

Irrelevant. Fundamental rights have no basis in
your skewed and bigoted religion.

I know..you are going to go off on one of your atheist tangents and
attack their beliefs.  That's what you do and I expect that. But you
want an answer and a reason, and I gave it to you.

No, you gave me irrelevancies.

Furthermore, you've cemented your bigotry by
making accusations of being gay into a bigoted
attack.

gay (against reality), Bipolar Bob, because you
are nothing more than a shit-stained, bigoted
asshole - and I say that with total dispassion.

--
"I do not pretend to be able to prove that there
is no God. I equally cannot
prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian god
may exist; so may the gods of
Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But
no one of these hypotheses is
more probable than any other: they lie outside the
region of even probable
knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to
consider any of them."
        Bertrand Russell- Hide quoted text -

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Hopefully, this will be the end of this farce. How many times do the people
have to say "No"?

Hopefully, this will be the end of this farce. How many times do the
people have to say "No"?

"J" <Jvisions at (no spam) live.com> wrote in message news:38on05.t26.17.1 at (no spam) news.alt.net...
Hopefully, this will be the end of this farce. How many times do the people
have to say "No"?





http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE5A312O20091104








--
J Young
Jvisions at (no spam) live.com


The voters in 30 states have voted against same-sex marriage.

The only states which have approved gay marriage, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Vermont, and Iowa, have done so by judicial fiat, not by popular vote.

It would seem that the left wishes to FORCE their will upon everyone else.

Get out of my classroom and dictionary, fascists!

Hopefully, this will be the end of this farce. How many times do the people
have to say "No"?

"J" <Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com> wrote in messagenews:38on05.t26.17.1 at (no spam) news.alt.net....
Hopefully, this will be the end of this farce. How many times do the people
have to say "No"?

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE5A312O20091104

--
J Young
Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com

The voters in 30 states have voted against same-sex marriage.

The only states which have approved gay marriage, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Vermont, and Iowa, have done so by judicial fiat, not by popular vote.

It would seem that the left wishes to FORCE their will upon everyone else..

Get out of my classroom and dictionary, fascists!