But it does concern me old fellow, as it concerns anyone who has the
slightest dealings with the UK, 'a fortiori' someone from the UK with
family in the UK.. Do you think I have any intention of letting you
knuckle draggers puke your bullshit with impunity and ruin MY country?

William Black wrote:

It was at the begining of the thread where the OP (not you) alleged
that immigrants were not pulling their weight in the armed forces.

The figures say they are,  and more...

If you mean by that, "the Gurkha's", then of course you are right. No better
fighters anywhere, and far better than the standard British trooper.
However, those others?? - Possibly of Islamic persuasion? - After the
calamity today in Texas, I rather think I would be careful!

William Black wrote:

White Spirit wrote:

My view is that anyone who is prepared to fight for their cause is a
brave man.

No matter how misguided that cause.

I don't consider people who exhort others to commit acts of terrorism
to be brave. I don't consider people who allow themselves to be
brainwashed into committing such acts to be brave either.

That's your privilege.

It's not a privilege, it's a question of moral fibre.

William Black wrote:

White Spirit wrote:

William Black wrote:

White Spirit wrote:

William Black wrote:

There is a higher proportion of foreigners serving in the British
army than living in the UK. The last time I looked at the MoD web
site it said about 10% of soldiers are foreigners, and that
didn't include Ghurkas who are about another 2% of them...

But you have previously asserted - in quite strenuous terms - that
the Ghurkas are paid mercenaries, not soldiers. Why is it that
they are mercenaries one minute and soldiers the next? It couldn't
possibly be because it suits your particular argument at the time,
could it?

I did say that it didn't include Ghurkas...

'...who are about another 2% of them'. 'Them' either refers back to
'foreigners serving in the British army' or it refers to 'soldiers
[who] are foreigners'. Either way, you have contradicted yourself.

Your move.

Sophistry...

Not in the slightest. It's a simple matter of logic.

White Spirit wrote:

I don't consider people who exhort others to commit acts of
terrorism to be brave. I don't consider people who allow themselves
to be brainwashed into committing such acts to be brave either.

That's your privilege.

It's not a privilege, it's a question of moral fibre.

Well yes.

And you have to believe that anyone who stands up and fights for a
cause, no matter how wrong, has some.

The fact remains that a higher percentage of our armed forces are of
foreign extraction than the proportion present in the general population.

William Black wrote:

White Spirit wrote:

I don't consider people who exhort others to commit acts of
terrorism to be brave. I don't consider people who allow
themselves to be brainwashed into committing such acts to be brave
either.

That's your privilege.

It's not a privilege, it's a question of moral fibre.

Well yes.

And you have to believe that anyone who stands up and fights for a
cause, no matter how wrong, has some.

Yeah. Hitler had great moral fibre, as do suicide bombers or the people
who exhort others to do such dirty work that they seem strangely
reluctant to do themselves. In the interests of being consistent, I
trust that you believe that David Copeland had moral fibre too.

William Black wrote:

The fact remains that a higher percentage of our armed forces are of
foreign extraction than the proportion present in the general population.

That's not the issue, and you know it.

It is just as brave as people who allow themselves to be sent to other
countries to fight the population therein. And even more brave if the
person *knows* that they will be killed, rather than considering it as
a rather unlikely possibility.

Suicide is cowardly.

Lou Ravi wrote:

But it does concern me old fellow, as it concerns anyone who has the
slightest dealings with the UK, 'a fortiori' someone from the UK with
family in the UK.. Do you think I have any intention of letting you
knuckle draggers puke your bullshit with impunity and ruin MY
country?

It's not really your country though, is it? In addition, it is your
lot who is ruining it.

Of course it is my country. Want a photocopy of my passport?

White Spirit wrote:

William Black wrote:

The fact remains that a higher percentage of our armed forces are of
foreign extraction than the proportion present in the general
population.

That's not the issue, and you know it.

It was at the begining of the thread where the OP (not you) alleged that
immigrants were not pulling their weight in the armed forces.

It's not a privilege, it's a question of moral fibre.

Well yes.

And you have to believe that anyone who stands up and fights for a
cause, no matter how wrong, has some.

Yeah. Hitler had great moral fibre, as do suicide bombers or the
people who exhort others to do such dirty work that they seem
strangely reluctant to do themselves. In the interests of being
consistent, I trust that you believe that David Copeland had moral
fibre too.

What cause was he fighting for?

My understanding is that he was a murderer who killed people because he
didn't like them.

White Spirit wrote:
William Black wrote:

The fact remains that a higher percentage of our armed forces are of
foreign extraction than the proportion present in the general
population.

That's not the issue, and you know it.

It was at the begining of the thread where the OP (not you) alleged
that immigrants were not pulling their weight in the armed forces.

The figures say they are, and more...

William Black wrote:

It's not a privilege, it's a question of moral fibre.

Well yes.

And you have to believe that anyone who stands up and fights for a
cause, no matter how wrong, has some.

Yeah. Hitler had great moral fibre, as do suicide bombers or the
people who exhort others to do such dirty work that they seem
strangely reluctant to do themselves. In the interests of being
consistent, I trust that you believe that David Copeland had moral
fibre too.

What cause was he fighting for?

My understanding is that he was a murderer who killed people because
he didn't like them.

Just like the other terrorists you consider to be brave men possessing
of moral fibre.

Copeland believed that he was fighting for a cause.