It's rather like that true son of England, the Hovis baker's boy - he
who valiantly pushes his heavy all-steel bicycle up the steep cobbled
streets of County Durham, delivering the weighty goodness of wholegrain
English wheat to working class hero's just back from the trenches -

William Black wrote:

There is a higher proportion of foreigners serving in the British army
than living in the UK. The last time I looked at the MoD web site it
said about 10% of soldiers are foreigners, and that didn't include
Ghurkas who are about another 2% of them...

But you have previously asserted - in quite strenuous terms - that the
Ghurkas are paid mercenaries, not soldiers. Why is it that they are
mercenaries one minute and soldiers the next? It couldn't possibly be
because it suits your particular argument at the time, could it?

White Spirit wrote:

William Black wrote:

Your contempt for brave men is noted.

In another thread, you were describing terrorists as brave. That
surely constitutes contempt for brave men.

http://groups.google.com/group/uk.politics.misc/browse_thread/thread/ddda647542cc855f

My view is that anyone who is prepared to fight for their cause is a
brave man.

No matter how misguided that cause.

White Spirit wrote:

William Black wrote:

There is a higher proportion of foreigners serving in the British
army than living in the UK. The last time I looked at the MoD web
site it said about 10% of soldiers are foreigners, and that didn't
include Ghurkas who are about another 2% of them...

But you have previously asserted - in quite strenuous terms - that the
Ghurkas are paid mercenaries, not soldiers. Why is it that they are
mercenaries one minute and soldiers the next? It couldn't possibly be
because it suits your particular argument at the time, could it?

I did say that it didn't include Ghurkas...

On Nov 5, 12:53 am, The gods have made us mad
star... at (no spam) destruction.com> wrote:

You have slavishly supported what is, very probably, *the* most wicked,
corrupt, repressive and generally pernicious government that the UK has
ever been cursed with

Thou shalt not bear false witness!

I don't consider people who exhort others to commit acts of terrorism to
be brave. I don't consider people who allow themselves to be
brainwashed into committing such acts to be brave either.

The gods have made us mad wrote:
Lou Ravi wrote:
The gods have made us mad wrote:

Trust me, if *this* upsets you, you're in for apoplexy in the next
few years as Europe finally puts the boot in!
Bwahahahaha. Yeah that's it, the other 26 countries comprising about
450 million people in the EU have only one purpose, only one desire,
to put the boot into the UK

I should have known! - and post contain g the slightest references to
'kicking', 'booting' or other kinds of footwear related assault has
you buzzing around like a wasp at a picnic.

Lack of any sort of cogent reply noted.

It really is time you grew up.

As for trusting you, I wouldn't trust you to go down the shops and
buy a loaf of bread.
Such is the nature of our humiliation as a formerly great nation is
betrayed.

Britain ceased to be a great nation from 1945 onwards, it has nothing to
do with the EU

It's rather like that true son of England, the Hovis baker's boy - he
who valiantly pushes his heavy all-steel bicycle up the steep cobbled
streets of County Durham, delivering the weighty goodness of
wholegrain English wheat to working class hero's just back from the
trenches - metamorphosing into into an effeminate Frenchified thing,
mincing on his cosmopolitan way with his basket of baguettes, each
one filled with airy cotton wool and hand-wrapped in declarations of
surrender.

Oh dear. Do you make an effort to be so childish or are you really only
14 years old?

John Bull is now in chains - and worthless titterers like you gloat
about his plight.

John Bull is and forever shall be a load of jingoistic crap and has no
place in a modern world.

William Black wrote:
The gods have made us mad wrote:

Not to mention the EU military conscription forms dropping through
the letterbox - how proud you'll feel when your own eligible
relatives march off to do their bit for the empire...

Do any EC countries still have conscription?

Very soon, *all* EU states will have conscription.

"James Hammerton" <jah.usenet at (no spam) yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:7leghqF3dglt3U2 at (no spam) mid.individual.net...
DVH wrote:
"Maria" <oldwoman at (no spam) theshoe.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:puidnVCu1Ph0Z2zXnZ2dnUVZ8iudnZ2d at (no spam) bt.com...
'And, so far as withdrawal under I-59 is concerned, fortunately there is
a second, more powerful, string to the bow. In the Metric Martyrs' case,
Lord Justice Laws made an intriguing ruling: that Parliament does not
have the power to divest itself of its own sovereignty. In Britain,
sovereignty is derived from the people and, effectively, lent to
Parliament.

"...Parliament cannot bind its successors by stipulating against repeal,
wholly or partly, of the 1972 Act.
Lisbon amends the 1972 Act.
The 1972 Act allowed EU laws to be incorporated into British law via
statutory instrument (a model now applied generally). Have the relevant
SIs been rubber stamped? Or is that still to come by the end of the year?

The European Union (Amendment) Act 2008 got royal assent on 19 June last
year.

I'm open to correction, but I don't think Lisbon needs an additional SI to
have effect. It's just added to the list of treaties at the end of the 1972
act.

See http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2008/en/ukpgaen_20080007_en_1 and
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2008/ukpga_20080007_en_1#l1g2


Thanks for the info. I'm surprised it was actually an Act they passed

Lou Ravi wrote:
The gods have made us mad wrote:
Lou Ravi wrote:
The gods have made us mad wrote:

Trust me, if *this* upsets you, you're in for apoplexy in the next
few years as Europe finally puts the boot in!
Bwahahahaha. Yeah that's it, the other 26 countries comprising
about 450 million people in the EU have only one purpose, only one
desire, to put the boot into the UK

I should have known! - and post contain g the slightest references
to 'kicking', 'booting' or other kinds of footwear related assault
has you buzzing around like a wasp at a picnic.

Lack of any sort of cogent reply noted.

It really is time you grew up.

As for trusting you, I wouldn't trust you to go down the shops and
buy a loaf of bread.
Such is the nature of our humiliation as a formerly great nation is
betrayed.

Britain ceased to be a great nation from 1945 onwards, it has
nothing to do with the EU

It's rather like that true son of England, the Hovis baker's boy -
he who valiantly pushes his heavy all-steel bicycle up the steep
cobbled streets of County Durham, delivering the weighty goodness of
wholegrain English wheat to working class hero's just back from the
trenches - metamorphosing into into an effeminate Frenchified thing,
mincing on his cosmopolitan way with his basket of baguettes, each
one filled with airy cotton wool and hand-wrapped in declarations of
surrender.

Oh dear. Do you make an effort to be so childish or are you really
only 14 years old?

John Bull is now in chains - and worthless titterers like you gloat
about his plight.

John Bull is and forever shall be a load of jingoistic crap and has
no place in a modern world.

Well, perhaps it would be more accurate if you'd said "John Bull has
no place in *my* world" - which would be an understandable sentiment
from someone who abandoned his own country to go and hide among Frogs.

The only thing that I'm not entirely clear about is *why* you still
feel that you have the right to comment on political matters in the
UK.

You've made your choice, do you not feel that the decent thing to do,
now, would be to keep your gob shut about things that no longer
concern you?

Find another interest to alleviate the tedium of your exile - in your
part of Frogland, are there no pregnant women who need ' a good
kicking'?.....

William Black wrote:

White Spirit wrote:

William Black wrote:

Your contempt for brave men is noted.

In another thread, you were describing terrorists as brave. That
surely constitutes contempt for brave men.

http://groups.google.com/group/uk.politics.misc/browse_thread/thread/ddda647542cc855f


My view is that anyone who is prepared to fight for their cause is a
brave man.

No matter how misguided that cause.

I don't consider people who exhort others to commit acts of terrorism to
be brave. I don't consider people who allow themselves to be
brainwashed into committing such acts to be brave either.

William Black wrote:

White Spirit wrote:

William Black wrote:

There is a higher proportion of foreigners serving in the British
army than living in the UK. The last time I looked at the MoD web
site it said about 10% of soldiers are foreigners, and that didn't
include Ghurkas who are about another 2% of them...

But you have previously asserted - in quite strenuous terms - that
the Ghurkas are paid mercenaries, not soldiers. Why is it that they
are mercenaries one minute and soldiers the next? It couldn't
possibly be because it suits your particular argument at the time,
could it?

I did say that it didn't include Ghurkas...

'...who are about another 2% of them'. 'Them' either refers back to
'foreigners serving in the British army' or it refers to 'soldiers [who]
are foreigners'. Either way, you have contradicted yourself.

Your move.

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:29:47 +0000, White Spirit

wspirit at (no spam) homechoice.co.uk> wrote:

I don't consider people who exhort others to commit acts of terrorism to
be brave. I don't consider people who allow themselves to be
brainwashed into committing such acts to be brave either.

It is just as brave as people who allow themselves to be sent to other
countries to fight the population therein. And even more brave if the
person *knows* that they will be killed, rather than considering it as
a rather unlikely possibility.

White Spirit wrote:

My view is that anyone who is prepared to fight for their cause is a
brave man.

No matter how misguided that cause.

I don't consider people who exhort others to commit acts of terrorism
to be brave. I don't consider people who allow themselves to be
brainwashed into committing such acts to be brave either.

That's your privilege.

White Spirit wrote:

William Black wrote:

White Spirit wrote:

William Black wrote:

There is a higher proportion of foreigners serving in the British
army than living in the UK. The last time I looked at the MoD web
site it said about 10% of soldiers are foreigners, and that didn't
include Ghurkas who are about another 2% of them...

But you have previously asserted - in quite strenuous terms - that
the Ghurkas are paid mercenaries, not soldiers. Why is it that they
are mercenaries one minute and soldiers the next? It couldn't
possibly be because it suits your particular argument at the time,
could it?

I did say that it didn't include Ghurkas...

'...who are about another 2% of them'. 'Them' either refers back to
'foreigners serving in the British army' or it refers to 'soldiers
[who] are foreigners'. Either way, you have contradicted yourself.

Your move.

Sophistry...