On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:05:53 +0000, Maria <oldwoman at (no spam) theshoe.ac.uk
wrote:


You need to stop seeing everything in the context of sex. I get more fun
from playing poker than that thanks.

a starving person only thinks of food...


That explains why I have been playing poker all day ;

Maria wrote:
DVH wrote:
"Maria" <oldwoman at (no spam) theshoe.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:puidnVCu1Ph0Z2zXnZ2dnUVZ8iudnZ2d at (no spam) bt.com...
'And, so far as withdrawal under I-59 is concerned, fortunately
there is a second, more powerful, string to the bow. In the Metric
Martyrs' case, Lord Justice Laws made an intriguing ruling: that
Parliament does not have the power to divest itself of its own
sovereignty. In Britain, sovereignty is derived from the people and,
effectively, lent to Parliament.

"...Parliament cannot bind its successors by stipulating against
repeal, wholly or partly, of the 1972 Act.

Lisbon amends the 1972 Act.

That's the bit I don't get - if I've got it right, the principle of
Parliamentary sovereignty means that no government can put into law
anything that would overturn Parliamentary sovereignty. It would
simply not be valid. Or have I got it wrong?

Not sure, but Parliament had to ratify the treaty (not that it was any
trouble for the government to achieve this result)...

The HOL would be perfectly capable of declaring this unconstitutional as

Not sure, but Parliament had to ratify the treaty (not that it was any
trouble for the government to achieve this result)...

The HOL would be perfectly capable of declaring this unconstitutional as
far as I know.

James Hammerton wrote:
Maria wrote:
DVH wrote:
"Maria" <oldwoman at (no spam) theshoe.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:puidnVCu1Ph0Z2zXnZ2dnUVZ8iudnZ2d at (no spam) bt.com...
'And, so far as withdrawal under I-59 is concerned, fortunately
there is a second, more powerful, string to the bow. In the Metric
Martyrs' case, Lord Justice Laws made an intriguing ruling: that
Parliament does not have the power to divest itself of its own
sovereignty. In Britain, sovereignty is derived from the people
and, effectively, lent to Parliament.

"...Parliament cannot bind its successors by stipulating against
repeal, wholly or partly, of the 1972 Act.

Lisbon amends the 1972 Act.

That's the bit I don't get - if I've got it right, the principle of
Parliamentary sovereignty means that no government can put into law
anything that would overturn Parliamentary sovereignty. It would
simply not be valid. Or have I got it wrong?

Not sure, but Parliament had to ratify the treaty (not that it was any
trouble for the government to achieve this result)...

The HOL would be perfectly capable of declaring this unconstitutional as
far as I know.

On Nov 4, 11:00 pm, Maria <oldwo... at (no spam) theshoe.ac.uk> wrote:

"...Parliament cannot bind its successors by stipulating against repeal,
wholly or partly, of the 1972 Act.
Lisbon amends the 1972 Act.
That's the bit I don't get - if I've got it right, the principle of
Parliamentary sovereignty means that no government can put into law
anything that would overturn Parliamentary sovereignty. It would simply
not be valid. Or have I got it wrong?

There's lots of scope for a constitutional crisis.
But surely only if the highest court struggles with this principle that
has stood for so long and effectively amends the law itself through
interpretation.

You are right!

Not to mention the EU military conscription forms dropping through the
letterbox - how proud you'll feel when your own eligible relatives march
off to do their bit for the empire...

You'll be even happier when you notice that all those healthy young
immigrants won't be going to join the fray - and why should they?, they
didn't travel halfway across the world to accept your invitation to live
in the UK, only to risk being killed!. That's what young Britons are
for....

It's a great pity that they won't be recruiting sanctimonious old farts,
or you and William could be the founders of your very own Pal's brigade...

The gods have made us mad wrote:

Not to mention the EU military conscription forms dropping through the
letterbox - how proud you'll feel when your own eligible relatives
march off to do their bit for the empire...

Do any EC countries still have conscription?

And do you have anyone you'd like to fight?

You'll be even happier when you notice that all those healthy young
immigrants won't be going to join the fray - and why should they?,
they didn't travel halfway across the world to accept your invitation
to live in the UK, only to risk being killed!. That's what young
Britons are for....

My my my, you are bitter today aren't you.

There is a higher proportion of foreigners serving in the British army
than living in the UK. The last time I looked at the MoD web site it
said about 10% of soldiers are foreigners, and that didn't include
Ghurkas who are about another 2% of them...

It's a great pity that they won't be recruiting sanctimonious old
farts, or you and William could be the founders of your very own Pal's
brigade...

My grandfather fought in a 'Pals Battalion' and was,for his trouble,
promptly blown up on the first of July 1916.

I imagine your grandfather was on the other side, or at the very least
cheering for them...

This principle has been set for a long time.

'And, so far as withdrawal under I-59 is concerned, fortunately there is
a second, more powerful, string to the bow. In the Metric Martyrs' case,
Lord Justice Laws made an intriguing ruling: that Parliament does not
have the power to divest itself of its own sovereignty. In Britain,
sovereignty is derived from the people and, effectively, lent to Parliament.

"...Parliament cannot bind its successors by stipulating against repeal,
wholly or partly, of the 1972 Act. Thus there is nothing in the 1972 Act
which allows the [European] Court of Justice, or any other institutions
of the EU, to touch or qualify the conditions of Parliament's
legislative supremacy in the United Kingdom. Not because the legislature
chose not to allow it; because by our law it could not allow it. That
being so, the legislative and judicial institutions of the EU cannot
intrude upon those conditions. The British Parliament has not the
authority to authorise any such thing. Being sovereign, it cannot
abandon its sovereignty."

This ruling echoes John Locke's argument that:

"The Legislative cannot transfer the power of making laws to any other
hands. For it being but a delegated power from the People, they who have
it cannot pass it to others."

http://www.brugesgroup.com/news.live?article=243&keyword=16#ratification

On Nov 5, 1:05 am, William Black <william.bl... at (no spam) hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
The gods have made us mad wrote:

Not to mention the EU military conscription forms dropping through the
letterbox - how proud you'll feel when your own eligible relatives march
off to do their bit for the empire...
Do any EC countries still have conscription?

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Hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee

Just wait, laddie.

"Do any EC countries still have conscription?"

Hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee
Hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee

Conscription is an integral part of the EU project, you fool !

William Black wrote:
The gods have made us mad wrote:

Not to mention the EU military conscription forms dropping through
the letterbox - how proud you'll feel when your own eligible
relatives march off to do their bit for the empire...

Do any EC countries still have conscription?

Very soon, *all* EU states will have conscription.

And do you have anyone you'd like to fight?

Hmmm....you'll have to let me get back to you on that. A few groups
*do* spring immediately to mind, it's true, but one doesn't want to rush
things and inadvertently leave anyone out.

You'll be even happier when you notice that all those healthy young
immigrants won't be going to join the fray - and why should they?,
they didn't travel halfway across the world to accept your invitation
to live in the UK, only to risk being killed!. That's what young
Britons are for....

My my my, you are bitter today aren't you.

Bitter1 - why ever should I feel bitter. It's a treat to see young
asylum seekers laughing and smoking on town centre benches, while
British lads of a similar age are dying in the third-world cess pit from
whence they came.

Bless 'em, that's what I say. May they stay here for ever, and always
be healthy.



There is a higher proportion of foreigners serving in the British army
than living in the UK. The last time I looked at the MoD web site it
said about 10% of soldiers are foreigners, and that didn't include
Ghurkas who are about another 2% of them...

Ah yes - those muslim regiments, I've heard about them. Wasn't there
some commotion when a Danepak wagon driver got his directions in a
muddle and called at their NAFFI?

It's a great pity that they won't be recruiting sanctimonious old
farts, or you and William could be the founders of your very own
Pal's brigade...

My grandfather fought in a 'Pals Battalion' and was,for his trouble,
promptly blown up on the first of July 1916.

I daresay you did have a heroic relative at the front, not to mention
another who was mentioned in Jellicoe's despatches at the battle of
Jutland,,

Ypres who, together, sent no less than 1,000 Germans into eternity , and
another one who was appointed as a Diversity Compliance Officer in the
Sudan, from 1917 until the end of the war...

*Everyone* had grandparents in the trenches, William - at least, every
'real' Englishman.....

I imagine your grandfather was on the other side, or at the very
least cheering for them...


I have not the *slightest* doubt that if he could have foreseen what was
going to happen to England, he would either have chucked his rifle away,
or else started fighting for the Huns.

DVH wrote:
"Maria" <oldwoman at (no spam) theshoe.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:puidnVCu1Ph0Z2zXnZ2dnUVZ8iudnZ2d at (no spam) bt.com...
'And, so far as withdrawal under I-59 is concerned, fortunately there is
a second, more powerful, string to the bow. In the Metric Martyrs' case,
Lord Justice Laws made an intriguing ruling: that Parliament does not
have the power to divest itself of its own sovereignty. In Britain,
sovereignty is derived from the people and, effectively, lent to
Parliament.

"...Parliament cannot bind its successors by stipulating against repeal,
wholly or partly, of the 1972 Act.

Lisbon amends the 1972 Act.

The 1972 Act allowed EU laws to be incorporated into British law via
statutory instrument (a model now applied generally). Have the relevant
SIs been rubber stamped? Or is that still to come by the end of the year?

DVH wrote:
"Maria" <oldwoman at (no spam) theshoe.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:puidnVCu1Ph0Z2zXnZ2dnUVZ8iudnZ2d at (no spam) bt.com...
'And, so far as withdrawal under I-59 is concerned, fortunately there is
a second, more powerful, string to the bow. In the Metric Martyrs' case,
Lord Justice Laws made an intriguing ruling: that Parliament does not
have the power to divest itself of its own sovereignty. In Britain,
sovereignty is derived from the people and, effectively, lent to
Parliament.

"...Parliament cannot bind its successors by stipulating against repeal,
wholly or partly, of the 1972 Act.

Lisbon amends the 1972 Act.

That's the bit I don't get - if I've got it right, the principle of
Parliamentary sovereignty means that no government can put into law
anything that would overturn Parliamentary sovereignty. It would simply
not be valid. Or have I got it wrong?

There's lots of scope for a constitutional crisis.
But surely only if the highest court struggles with this principle that
has stood for so long and effectively amends the law itself through
interpretation.

Special Care wrote:
On Nov 5, 1:05 am, William Black <william.bl... at (no spam) hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
The gods have made us mad wrote:

Not to mention the EU military conscription forms dropping through the
letterbox - how proud you'll feel when your own eligible relatives
march
off to do their bit for the empire...
Do any EC countries still have conscription?

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee

Just wait, laddie.

"Do any EC countries still have conscription?"

Hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee
Hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee

Conscription is an integral part of the EU project, you fool !


Lack of any content noted.

On 4 Nov, 22:06, Maria <oldwo... at (no spam) theshoe.ac.uk> wrote:
This principle has been set for a long time.

'And, so far as withdrawal under I-59 is concerned, fortunately there is
a second, more powerful, string to the bow. In the Metric Martyrs' case,
Lord Justice Laws made an intriguing ruling: that Parliament does not
have the power to divest itself of its own sovereignty. In Britain,
sovereignty is derived from the people and, effectively, lent to
Parliament.

"...Parliament cannot bind its successors by stipulating against repeal,
wholly or partly, of the 1972 Act. Thus there is nothing in the 1972 Act
which allows the [European] Court of Justice, or any other institutions
of the EU, to touch or qualify the conditions of Parliament's
legislative supremacy in the United Kingdom. Not because the legislature
chose not to allow it; because by our law it could not allow it. That
being so, the legislative and judicial institutions of the EU cannot
intrude upon those conditions. The British Parliament has not the
authority to authorise any such thing. Being sovereign, it cannot
abandon its sovereignty."

This ruling echoes John Locke's argument that:

"The Legislative cannot transfer the power of making laws to any other
hands. For it being but a delegated power from the People, they who have
it cannot pass it to others."

http://www.brugesgroup.com/news.live?article=243&keyword=16#ratification

It won't do any good just read Article 48 of Lisbon treaty.

The gods have made us mad wrote:

Not to mention the EU military conscription forms dropping through
the letterbox - how proud you'll feel when your own eligible
relatives march off to do their bit for the empire...

Do any EC countries still have conscription?