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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:04 pm |
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On 4 Nov, 19:50, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Ste wrote:
On 4 Nov, 17:23, Uncle Dave <davidco... at (no spam) t-online.de> wrote:
Why can't you just say "I don't like black people"?
One does wonder.
Because, from an individual POV, it isn't true.
I think in many cases it is precisely true. |
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| Sam... |
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:01 am |
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On Nov 5, 12:56 pm, White Spirit <wspi... at (no spam) homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
Quote: Ste wrote:
On 3 Nov, 12:06, White Spirit <wspi... at (no spam) homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
Would you deny that pattern recognition, mathematics, geometry and logic
play a large part in Western civilisation? Would you deny that one's
abilities in these realms have an impact on one's ability to succeed and
contribute?
I would not deny that these skills are useful in Western societies,
but every race on earth has these skills.
Some more than others.
As I say, the degree of
difference in inherent ability (if indeed there is any - I have by no
means accepted that evidence supports such a contention) is negligible
in the larger scheme of things, and negligible relative to many other
factors like formal education.
I'd say that the entirety of human history says otherwise.
Also, these statistics do not justify
racial discrimination - for we accept that we are speaking of average
IQ, and an inference can be drawn therefore that there are still many
smart black men, and many stupid white men (as determined by IQ
tests).
Of course. But opening the floodgates opens us up to all sorts, and the
reason I bring IQ up is because the argument for economic migration
doesn't hold water.
Honesty is not really a fixed personality trait. It's more to do with
how much a reputation for honesty is valued by others and to what
degree it aids productive mutual cooperation with others.
It's a cultural trait, one that I submit has arisen due to innate
differences between the various subspecies.
But where is your rigourous evidence for this highly contentious
conclusion?
I made a submission based on the evidence of all that I have seen. Our
culture is different to that of countries were corruption is rife. For
example, it is well known that in African countries, it is expected that
the president of a nation will take care of his own tribe above all...
That's sort of my point: mutual cooperation does not play a large part
in African and Caribbean societies.
Yes it does. Even in the most war-torn societies, mutual cooperation
plays a very large part, except that they tend to have an in-group
that is not based on national borders.
It seems to me that the mutual cooperation that exists is not as
altruistic as our own, or aimed towards a common goal. It seems to be
more along the lines of 'you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours'.
Caucasians, on the other hand,
could not have survived without cooperation.
It depends what you mean.
Harsh environmental conditions precluded the survival of people who did
not cooperate within close-knit communities.
While the West is handing
over large sums of money to African countries to feed them beyond the
land's ability to sustain the burgeoning population, they will not face
the pressures that will give rise to better selection of genes and the
burden to the West will increase, both in terms of financial
'obligation' and immigration.
The problem in Africa is, as I say, lack of an established social
order. The cause of that in turn is that those societies have been
repeatedly decimated by Western powers.
I'd say the problem is that their natural social orders are not what we
would deem to be 'established'. They'll either evolve better social
orders in their own time or continue as they have been. Either way, we
shouldn't interfere.
Coincidentally I hear Simon
Mann has just been released - you know the one who, with Mark
Thatcher, intended to overthrow an African government and thereby
enjoy its oil wealth.
Well, there's an example of close cooperation ;)
And truth be told, I don't think that foreign aid is particularly
helpful, but neither are loans given to dictators at sky-high interest
rates, which the whole country must then repay.
I agree.
That doesn't constitute
violent or aggressive behaviour in my view.
Then what, in your view, do the words "aggressive" and "violent" mean?
Certainly when I went to school those words implied actions involving
bodily harm or the threat thereof, and that's exactly the kind of
action that Prescott took.
I consider that there's a difference between violence - which is
unwarranted - and use of reasonable force. Similarly, there is a
difference between being aggressive - which is likewise unwarranted -
and being assertive.
Look at Rhodesia: a rich country when it was handed back to the Negroes.
By "rich country", do I infer correctly that you mean there was a
small class of very rich men present in the country, while the general
population lived in squalor?
Rhodesia had a very good standard of living as I understand, and the
squalor exists now that Mugabe has taken over.
Their social orders are tribal and when they revert to them, we get
the blame for their violence.
But earlier you said that "Negroes" don't cooperate. Now you say that
they do cooperate, but at a tribal level?
It's a matter of mutual gain - as I said, you scratch my back...
Historically, they don't have social orders that share common goals or
ideals.
And let's not forget their own role in
the slave trade.
Indeed, let's not forget. But that hardly justifies it.
I'm not justifying it. I bring it up to provide some balance.
There can be short-term benefits from criminal behaviour but, weighed up
against the long term costs, the criminal lifestyle is not a logical or
rational choice.
It depends how you frame the matter. The criminal lifestyle often has
poor financial returns over the long-term, but it is often high on
social status, and high on intrinsic satisfaction, and tends to bind
people together. It also requires little prior sustained investment
(which is appropriate to groups from socially and economically
deprived backgrounds), and it carries with it the chance of making
genuinely huge profits.
A further point is that the way in which the justice system responds
to criminality often perpetuates and aggravates the social conditions
that cause it.
I won't dispute the last point. However, the criminal lifestyle does
not create strong, lasting bonds but merely bonds borne of necessity.
Those who chose the criminal lifestyle give up on other options, which
is not an informed choice.
I am referring to a sound judgement made
after evaluating the options and all evidence to hand.
Yes, and so by what measure is criminality irrational for these
groups? By financial measures? Perhaps. But what if monetary gain is
not the sole aim?
You have to weigh in the costs against the short-term benefits.
Choosing
criminal behaviour over hard work is the lazy option borne from baser
instincts.
Criminality rarely involves less work when objectively measured, and
often carries with it the risk of death, permanent injuries, jail time
etc.
Hardly a logical choice, then.
As for baser instincts, what are these instincts, and how do they
differ from the more enlightened instincts of western peoples?
The baser instincts are a desire for material goods, success and social
status without having truly earned them.
You mean like selling crack on Brixton's frontline? ;o) |
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| Nick 'my dad (correction) didnt fly spitfires'... |
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:26 am |
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On Nov 4, 12:10 am, White Spirit <wspi... at (no spam) homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
Quote: Nick 'my dad (correction) didnt fly spitfires' Griffin wrote:
On Nov 3, 5:13 pm, White Spirit <wspi... at (no spam) homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
Nick 'my dad (correction) didnt fly spitfires' Griffin wrote:
a black person with a much higher IQ than you
Prove it.
disprove it.
The burden of proof is upon you.
its your thread fuckwit |
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| White Spirit... |
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:32 am |
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Uncle Dave wrote:
Quote: Why can't you just say "I don't like black people"?
Because it's not an accurate statement of the truth. |
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| White Spirit... |
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:56 am |
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Ste wrote:
Quote: On 3 Nov, 12:06, White Spirit <wspi... at (no spam) homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
Would you deny that pattern recognition, mathematics, geometry and logic
play a large part in Western civilisation? Would you deny that one's
abilities in these realms have an impact on one's ability to succeed and
contribute?
I would not deny that these skills are useful in Western societies,
but every race on earth has these skills.
Some more than others.
Quote: As I say, the degree of
difference in inherent ability (if indeed there is any - I have by no
means accepted that evidence supports such a contention) is negligible
in the larger scheme of things, and negligible relative to many other
factors like formal education.
I'd say that the entirety of human history says otherwise.
Quote: Also, these statistics do not justify
racial discrimination - for we accept that we are speaking of average
IQ, and an inference can be drawn therefore that there are still many
smart black men, and many stupid white men (as determined by IQ
tests).
Of course. But opening the floodgates opens us up to all sorts, and the
reason I bring IQ up is because the argument for economic migration
doesn't hold water.
Quote: Honesty is not really a fixed personality trait. It's more to do with
how much a reputation for honesty is valued by others and to what
degree it aids productive mutual cooperation with others.
It's a cultural trait, one that I submit has arisen due to innate
differences between the various subspecies.
But where is your rigourous evidence for this highly contentious
conclusion?
I made a submission based on the evidence of all that I have seen. Our
culture is different to that of countries were corruption is rife. For
example, it is well known that in African countries, it is expected that
the president of a nation will take care of his own tribe above all...
Quote: That's sort of my point: mutual cooperation does not play a large part
in African and Caribbean societies.
Yes it does. Even in the most war-torn societies, mutual cooperation
plays a very large part, except that they tend to have an in-group
that is not based on national borders.
It seems to me that the mutual cooperation that exists is not as
altruistic as our own, or aimed towards a common goal. It seems to be
more along the lines of 'you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours'.
Quote: Caucasians, on the other hand,
could not have survived without cooperation.
It depends what you mean.
Harsh environmental conditions precluded the survival of people who did
not cooperate within close-knit communities.
Quote: While the West is handing
over large sums of money to African countries to feed them beyond the
land's ability to sustain the burgeoning population, they will not face
the pressures that will give rise to better selection of genes and the
burden to the West will increase, both in terms of financial
'obligation' and immigration.
The problem in Africa is, as I say, lack of an established social
order. The cause of that in turn is that those societies have been
repeatedly decimated by Western powers.
I'd say the problem is that their natural social orders are not what we
would deem to be 'established'. They'll either evolve better social
orders in their own time or continue as they have been. Either way, we
shouldn't interfere.
Quote: Coincidentally I hear Simon
Mann has just been released - you know the one who, with Mark
Thatcher, intended to overthrow an African government and thereby
enjoy its oil wealth.
Well, there's an example of close cooperation ;)
Quote: And truth be told, I don't think that foreign aid is particularly
helpful, but neither are loans given to dictators at sky-high interest
rates, which the whole country must then repay.
I agree.
Quote: That doesn't constitute
violent or aggressive behaviour in my view.
Then what, in your view, do the words "aggressive" and "violent" mean?
Certainly when I went to school those words implied actions involving
bodily harm or the threat thereof, and that's exactly the kind of
action that Prescott took.
I consider that there's a difference between violence - which is
unwarranted - and use of reasonable force. Similarly, there is a
difference between being aggressive - which is likewise unwarranted -
and being assertive.
Quote: Look at Rhodesia: a rich country when it was handed back to the Negroes.
By "rich country", do I infer correctly that you mean there was a
small class of very rich men present in the country, while the general
population lived in squalor?
Rhodesia had a very good standard of living as I understand, and the
squalor exists now that Mugabe has taken over.
Quote: Their social orders are tribal and when they revert to them, we get
the blame for their violence.
But earlier you said that "Negroes" don't cooperate. Now you say that
they do cooperate, but at a tribal level?
It's a matter of mutual gain - as I said, you scratch my back...
Historically, they don't have social orders that share common goals or
ideals.
Quote: And let's not forget their own role in
the slave trade.
Indeed, let's not forget. But that hardly justifies it.
I'm not justifying it. I bring it up to provide some balance.
Quote: There can be short-term benefits from criminal behaviour but, weighed up
against the long term costs, the criminal lifestyle is not a logical or
rational choice.
It depends how you frame the matter. The criminal lifestyle often has
poor financial returns over the long-term, but it is often high on
social status, and high on intrinsic satisfaction, and tends to bind
people together. It also requires little prior sustained investment
(which is appropriate to groups from socially and economically
deprived backgrounds), and it carries with it the chance of making
genuinely huge profits.
A further point is that the way in which the justice system responds
to criminality often perpetuates and aggravates the social conditions
that cause it.
I won't dispute the last point. However, the criminal lifestyle does
not create strong, lasting bonds but merely bonds borne of necessity.
Those who chose the criminal lifestyle give up on other options, which
is not an informed choice.
Quote: I am referring to a sound judgement made
after evaluating the options and all evidence to hand.
Yes, and so by what measure is criminality irrational for these
groups? By financial measures? Perhaps. But what if monetary gain is
not the sole aim?
You have to weigh in the costs against the short-term benefits.
Quote: Choosing
criminal behaviour over hard work is the lazy option borne from baser
instincts.
Criminality rarely involves less work when objectively measured, and
often carries with it the risk of death, permanent injuries, jail time
etc.
Hardly a logical choice, then.
Quote: As for baser instincts, what are these instincts, and how do they
differ from the more enlightened instincts of western peoples?
The baser instincts are a desire for material goods, success and social
status without having truly earned them. |
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| White Spirit... |
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:29 am |
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Nick 'my dad (correction) didnt fly spitfires' Griffin wrote:
Quote: On Nov 4, 12:10 am, White Spirit <wspi... at (no spam) homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
Nick 'my dad (correction) didnt fly spitfires' Griffin wrote:
On Nov 3, 5:13 pm, White Spirit <wspi... at (no spam) homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
Nick 'my dad (correction) didnt fly spitfires' Griffin wrote:
a black person with a much higher IQ than you
Prove it.
disprove it.
The burden of proof is upon you.
its your thread fuckwit
You're the one who made the assertion, knob head. |
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| Ste... |
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:01 pm |
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On 5 Nov, 12:56, White Spirit <wspi... at (no spam) homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
Quote:
Also, these statistics do not justify
racial discrimination - for we accept that we are speaking of average
IQ, and an inference can be drawn therefore that there are still many
smart black men, and many stupid white men (as determined by IQ
tests).
Of course. But opening the floodgates opens us up to all sorts, and the
reason I bring IQ up is because the argument for economic migration
doesn't hold water.
The real motive for economic migration is simply to maintain a supply
of cheap labour in both low-skilled and high-skilled occupations. And
the reason why people find it attractive to migrate here is because
our wages are relatively higher than in their own countries. Of course
I don't see why you need to refer to IQ, or even race, to argue how
such immigration is bad for the British worker (and good for the
British rich and powerful).
Quote: Honesty is not really a fixed personality trait. It's more to do with
how much a reputation for honesty is valued by others and to what
degree it aids productive mutual cooperation with others.
It's a cultural trait, one that I submit has arisen due to innate
differences between the various subspecies.
But where is your rigourous evidence for this highly contentious
conclusion?
I made a submission based on the evidence of all that I have seen.
And I accept it's not a wholly unreasonable hypothesis if one's
evidence is anecdotal observation. But the earth as the centre of the
universe was once a reasonable hypothesis based on anecdotal
observation, when people didn't have access to, or weren't aware of,
evidence to the contrary.
Quote: Our
culture is different to that of countries were corruption is rife. For
example, it is well known that in African countries, it is expected that
the president of a nation will take care of his own tribe above all...
Yes, but it's not called corruption in those societies, it's called
taking care of your voters - and if anything, an African president who
took better care of the other tribe at the expense of his own would be
seen as dishonest and a cheater. Of course, we accept these things are
a matter of culture, but I don't see why we have to resort to a racial
explanation in order to explain those cultures. After all Britain as a
society and culture has had perhaps a 1000 year history in which to
bed down, and the last time we had a civil war was nearly 400 years
ago. Even in daily discourse concering law and politics people in
Britain regularly appeal to traditions going back at least centuries;
many of these African countries are barely decades out of revolutions
and civil war, and their social orders need time to bed down again.
Quote: That's sort of my point: mutual cooperation does not play a large part
in African and Caribbean societies.
Yes it does. Even in the most war-torn societies, mutual cooperation
plays a very large part, except that they tend to have an in-group
that is not based on national borders.
It seems to me that the mutual cooperation that exists is not as
altruistic as our own, or aimed towards a common goal. It seems to be
more along the lines of 'you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours'.
Yes, but our society, as I say, is a relatively stable one with
liberal traditions going back centuries. It is unsurprising that
mutual cooperation and trust is the highest in liberal societies,
because liberal traditions place a high value on maintaining consent
from the whole population (because when you have people's consent, and
the state has legitimacy in the eyes of all, people cooperate
willingly).
Of course we've seen situations when that consent has started to break
down: the poll tax riots for example, or the Brixton riots, or the
IRA. And the way in which liberal society has ultimately responded to
that is to bring people back on board. They got rid of the poll tax,
and they got rid of Thatcher. They got rid of stop and search, and
they clamped down on ethnic discrimination (whether such
discrimination was justified in the first place or not). They gave the
Irish the vote, and political representation, and got rid of the
brutal RUC. It's all about maintaining consent, because consent is
what obviates the need for repression and secret state police, and
which prevents extreme politics and civil wars.
Quote: Caucasians, on the other hand,
could not have survived without cooperation.
It depends what you mean.
Harsh environmental conditions precluded the survival of people who did
not cooperate within close-knit communities.
The same is true virtually anywhere. As you concede, even in the most
impoverished, backward areas of the world one can see cooperation at a
tribal level.
Quote: While the West is handing
over large sums of money to African countries to feed them beyond the
land's ability to sustain the burgeoning population, they will not face
the pressures that will give rise to better selection of genes and the
burden to the West will increase, both in terms of financial
'obligation' and immigration.
The problem in Africa is, as I say, lack of an established social
order. The cause of that in turn is that those societies have been
repeatedly decimated by Western powers.
I'd say the problem is that their natural social orders are not what we
would deem to be 'established'. They'll either evolve better social
orders in their own time or continue as they have been. Either way, we
shouldn't interfere.
I agree, but it seems we do keep interfering. Afghanistan is in the
state is is today because the Americans sponsored a proxy war against
the Russians there. By the 70s Afghanistan was actually quite a
moderate place under the Russians.
Quote: Coincidentally I hear Simon
Mann has just been released - you know the one who, with Mark
Thatcher, intended to overthrow an African government and thereby
enjoy its oil wealth.
Well, there's an example of close cooperation
Indeed. Unfortunately it was an unholy alliance of idiots and misfits.
Quote: That doesn't constitute
violent or aggressive behaviour in my view.
Then what, in your view, do the words "aggressive" and "violent" mean?
Certainly when I went to school those words implied actions involving
bodily harm or the threat thereof, and that's exactly the kind of
action that Prescott took.
I consider that there's a difference between violence - which is
unwarranted - and use of reasonable force. Similarly, there is a
difference between being aggressive - which is likewise unwarranted -
and being assertive.
I think we're splitting hairs. If what you're saying is that black men
tend to adopt an offensive position, and that white men tend to adopt
a defensive position, that is probably because the black men in this
day and age are normally trying to get what the white men already
have. Nothing to do with race, and everything to do with who just
happens to be in present possession of the wealth. If you look the
various wars, major land grabs etc that occurred in the New World from
about the 1400s, they were invariably initiated by predominantly white-
european countries who were trying to wrest possession from indigenous
tribes.
Quote: Look at Rhodesia: a rich country when it was handed back to the Negroes.
By "rich country", do I infer correctly that you mean there was a
small class of very rich men present in the country, while the general
population lived in squalor?
Rhodesia had a very good standard of living as I understand, and the
squalor exists now that Mugabe has taken over.
I agree. Mugabe is a brutal dictator with an axe to grind, but it is
the repression under white rule that created men like him. And while I
have sympathy for white farmers who no doubt tended their family farms
diligently and as a result felt a sense of entitlement, the problem is
that they didn't share, and that rather than spreading the wealth and
bringing the indigenous population into the fold, they instead ended
up with a class of very rich white men, and a majority population of
very poor black men, and Mugabe is what you get for that.
Quote: Their social orders are tribal and when they revert to them, we get
the blame for their violence.
But earlier you said that "Negroes" don't cooperate. Now you say that
they do cooperate, but at a tribal level?
It's a matter of mutual gain - as I said, you scratch my back...
But what society doesn't involve mutual gain? It's just far more taken-
for-granted in liberal societies.
Quote: Historically, they don't have social orders that share common goals or
ideals.
Historically I understand there were very well established social
orders in Africa. It didn't involve "common goals or ideals" at a
level of the nation state, but there was no economic drive behind such
large-scale cooperation.
Quote: And let's not forget their own role in
the slave trade.
Indeed, let's not forget. But that hardly justifies it.
I'm not justifying it. I bring it up to provide some balance.
Fair one. But what I'm trying to emphasise is not that white men are
responsible for all ills in world, but that these problems have their
roots in social events. And what is especially pertintent (at least
when discussing racial explanations for social disorder) is that white
men had a hand in bringing about the very events that were responsible
for disrupting social orders in places like Africa.
Quote: There can be short-term benefits from criminal behaviour but, weighed up
against the long term costs, the criminal lifestyle is not a logical or
rational choice.
It depends how you frame the matter. The criminal lifestyle often has
poor financial returns over the long-term, but it is often high on
social status, and high on intrinsic satisfaction, and tends to bind
people together. It also requires little prior sustained investment
(which is appropriate to groups from socially and economically
deprived backgrounds), and it carries with it the chance of making
genuinely huge profits.
A further point is that the way in which the justice system responds
to criminality often perpetuates and aggravates the social conditions
that cause it.
I won't dispute the last point. However, the criminal lifestyle does
not create strong, lasting bonds but merely bonds borne of necessity.
What about the Mafia? In America up until about the 70s when law
enforcement organisations started to disrupt their activities, Mafia
members reportedly had very strong, stable, and close-knit social
bonds.
Quote: Those who chose the criminal lifestyle give up on other options, which
is not an informed choice.
Most petty criminals fall into a criminal lifestyle by default.
Quote: I am referring to a sound judgement made
after evaluating the options and all evidence to hand.
Yes, and so by what measure is criminality irrational for these
groups? By financial measures? Perhaps. But what if monetary gain is
not the sole aim?
You have to weigh in the costs against the short-term benefits.
Yes, but even if the cost is an early painful death, if you live the
life of a king for a few years, with money, sex, fast cars etc. and if
the alternative is 70 years of mind-numbing labour, I don't think
crime is an irrational choice at all (at least once we dispense with
the untenable assumptions of neoclassical economics).
Quote: Choosing
criminal behaviour over hard work is the lazy option borne from baser
instincts.
Criminality rarely involves less work when objectively measured, and
often carries with it the risk of death, permanent injuries, jail time
etc.
Hardly a logical choice, then.
It is a logical choice if you don't mind the risk of death and
permanent injury. And of course, given the right circumstances, anyone
is willing to stake their lives. Otherwise you're in the position of
saying that anyone who fights a war and risks their life is
"illogical", and of course that's not a very satisfactory way of
explaining human behaviour.
Quote: As for baser instincts, what are these instincts, and how do they
differ from the more enlightened instincts of western peoples?
The baser instincts are a desire for material goods, success and social
status without having truly earned them.
And how does one "truly" earn those things, as distrinct from simply
putting the effort in necessary to acquire them? Are you saying that
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On Nov 2, 9:55 am, White Spirit <wspi... at (no spam) homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
Quote: Given that the average IQ of a Negro is 85, this means that almost fifty
percent of them have an IQ score that fulfils the IQ requirement for
clinical retardation. The liberal view, however, is that IQ tests are
culturally biased and therefore not a fair measure of intelligence. If
IQ tests are culturally biased then it stands to reason that they are a
measure of a person's ability to apply logic and rationale within a
framework considered normal in Western culture. Why then should we wish
to accept immigrants who are demonstrably poor in the mental abilities
required by our civilisation?
It's no wonder that Negroes underachieve academically and professionally
in Western countries. By the same token, I would not thrive in a Negro
country because I do not demonstrate the same ability to be dishonest,
aggressive and violent in the face of adversity. These are are negative
traits to the Western mind that are valued in Negro cultures.
Unfortunately, the culture clash being played out in Western countries
all too often involves violence and aggression winning out over logic
and rationale.
That being said, the logical, rational and - above all - kind response
is to remove the Negro from a country in which he is less likely to
succeed and let him live naturally in his native habitat. It has
nothing to do with hate that I wish to seem them removed and everything
to do with compassion.
Too bad your white IQ is much less than that of Arabs, Jews and
Asians. You just proved that everybody wants somebody lower than
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Black people have a lower average intelligence than white people.
There is no doubt of this, ask any student of psychology. The black
white IQ gap of between 15 and 30 points has been verified repeatedly
over very many years. The gap cannot be cultural, as Orientals score
higher than whites, and no one has been able to devise a test where
blacks score equally to whites. Indeed, nobody has ever been able to
devise a QUESTION where blacks do as well as whites! Furthermore, it
is
precisely those questions that are more culturally loaded where
blacks do better, and it is in the most abstract questions that
blacks
do worst.
The black white IQ gap easily explains what we see in the world
today. The hypothesis that blacks are less intelligent than whites is
a hypothesis that fits all the available data. The real question is
not "Why should anyone think that the races have a different average
IQ?", but rather "Why should anyone think that the races have the same
average IQ?"
Blacks do very badly when left to themselves in their own countries,
as one would expect from people with low IQ.
There are millions starving in Africa, and Africans are constantly
begging the West for
aid. The African states were better off when white people ran things,
since then they have either stagnated or declined.
Blacks don't look after themselves very well, just as one would
expect
from people with a low IQ. This is why they don't practice safe sex
and
thus have very high rates of Aids and other venereal diseases.
Again, as we would expect from people with a low average IQ, blacks
are
vastly over represented in all the negative social indices: crime
statistics, ilegitimacy, unemployment,
etc. This happens all over the world, not just in the USA. So slavery
can't be blamed (blacks in Canada and the UK were never enslaved).
The reason that white people are leaving the inner cities (this
phenomena is so well documented that demographers have called it
"white
flight") is because they can no longer tolerate the high levels of
crime and disorder that is associated with large numbers of low IQ
blacks. The future for our inner cities is bleak indeed. Liberals and
socialists who pretend to believe race equality nonsense don't send
their own children to schools with large numbers of blacks.
So long as the political establishment pretend to believe that there
is
no difference in average IQ between blacks and whites Western
countries
will continue to deteriorate. The fact that blacks are less
intelligent
and incapable of succeeding in white society, coupled with the fact
that a large
number of educated and seemingly intelligent white people do not seem
to be able to face up to that fact, will come to be regarded by
future historians as the defining tragedy of our time. |
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On Nov 5, 5:58 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru... at (no spam) gmail.com>
wrote:
Quote: AndrewJH wrote:
On Nov 2, 9:55 am, White Spirit <wspi... at (no spam) homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
Given that the average IQ of a Negro is 85, this means that almost fifty
percent of them have an IQ score that fulfils the IQ requirement for
clinical retardation. The liberal view, however, is that IQ tests are
culturally biased and therefore not a fair measure of intelligence. If
IQ tests are culturally biased then it stands to reason that they are a
measure of a person's ability to apply logic and rationale within a
framework considered normal in Western culture. Why then should we wish
to accept immigrants who are demonstrably poor in the mental abilities
required by our civilisation?
It's no wonder that Negroes underachieve academically and professionally
in Western countries. By the same token, I would not thrive in a Negro
country because I do not demonstrate the same ability to be dishonest,
aggressive and violent in the face of adversity. These are are negative
traits to the Western mind that are valued in Negro cultures.
Unfortunately, the culture clash being played out in Western countries
all too often involves violence and aggression winning out over logic
and rationale.
That being said, the logical, rational and - above all - kind response
is to remove the Negro from a country in which he is less likely to
succeed and let him live naturally in his native habitat. It has
nothing to do with hate that I wish to seem them removed and everything
to do with compassion.
Too bad your white IQ is much less than that of Arabs, Jews and
Asians. You just proved that everybody wants somebody lower than
himself.
Arabs are less than European average, Israelis the same and non-Israeli
Jews much higher. After Jews come Mongoloids with Korea having the
highest average. Indians are somewhat lower than Europeans and Negroids
far down the scale. Of course, much of this is complicated by factors
such as childhood nutrition and the Flynn Effect.
--
Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/- Transcendence UKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/- A UK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe- Occult Talk Show- Hide quoted text -
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Oh excuse me. You must be refering to some psychobabble tests. I
was thinking of the scores of PhD scientists, Doctors and
entrepreneurs. |
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| Ste... |
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:59 pm |
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On 6 Nov, 00:37, huperade <xjohnsmith... at (no spam) yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Quote: Black people have a lower average intelligence than white people.
According to what evidence?
Quote: There is no doubt of this, ask any student of psychology.
Yes, students of psychology, those fonts of all knowledge.
Quote: The black
white IQ gap of between 15 and 30 points has been verified repeatedly
over very many years.
Where is this verifiable evidence?
Quote: The gap cannot be cultural, as Orientals score
higher than whites,
Non-sequitur. Orientals may have a cultural background more conducive
to a high IQ than middle-class white culture even.
Quote: and no one has been able to devise a test where
blacks score equally to whites.
Have they even tried?
Quote: Indeed, nobody has ever been able to
devise a QUESTION where blacks do as well as whites! Furthermore, it
is
precisely those questions that are more culturally loaded where
blacks do better, and it is in the most abstract questions that
blacks
do worst.
In other words, each group does well when the questions are culturally
relevant?
Quote: The black white IQ gap easily explains what we see in the world
today.
Oh?
Quote: The hypothesis that blacks are less intelligent than whites is
a hypothesis that fits all the available data.
And this data is?
Quote: The real question is
not "Why should anyone think that the races have a different average
IQ?", but rather "Why should anyone think that the races have the same
average IQ?"
No one has said the races do have the same IQ. What hasn't been made
out yet is whether average intelligence varies between races. Indeed,
no one has even made out what "intelligence" is yet.
Quote: Blacks do very badly when left to themselves in their own countries,
as one would expect from people with low IQ.
And can you give me an example of where they have been left to
themselves Or do you mean "left to themselves" after decades or
centuries of outside interference in their social orders?
Quote: There are millions starving in Africa, and Africans are constantly
begging the West for aid.
And their rulers constantly beg for loans to build palaces, which of
course the West is only too happy to comply with.
Quote: The African states were better off when white people ran things,
since then they have either stagnated or declined.
Indeed. But then doesn't any country decline during ruinous civil war?
Quote: Blacks don't look after themselves very well, just as one would
expect
from people with a low IQ. This is why they don't practice safe sex
and thus have very high rates of Aids and other venereal diseases.
Nothing to do with edicts from the church, then, or lack of education?
Quote: Again, as we would expect from people with a low average IQ, blacks
are
vastly over represented in all the negative social indices: crime
statistics, ilegitimacy, unemployment,
etc. This happens all over the world, not just in the USA. So slavery
can't be blamed (blacks in Canada and the UK were never enslaved).
No one does blame slavery. Most thinkers blame poverty,
discrimination, and criminal justice policies that aggravate social
disorder.
Quote: The reason that white people are leaving the inner cities (this
phenomena is so well documented that demographers have called it
"white
flight") is because they can no longer tolerate the high levels of
crime and disorder that is associated with large numbers of low IQ
blacks. The future for our inner cities is bleak indeed. Liberals and
socialists who pretend to believe race equality nonsense don't send
their own children to schools with large numbers of blacks.
They certainly don't do they. |
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| AndrewJH... |
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:58 pm |
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On Nov 5, 6:49 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru... at (no spam) gmail.com>
wrote:
Quote: AndrewJH wrote:
On Nov 5, 5:58 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:
AndrewJH wrote:
On Nov 2, 9:55 am, White Spirit <wspi... at (no spam) homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
Given that the average IQ of a Negro is 85, this means that almost fifty
percent of them have an IQ score that fulfils the IQ requirement for
clinical retardation. The liberal view, however, is that IQ tests are
culturally biased and therefore not a fair measure of intelligence. If
IQ tests are culturally biased then it stands to reason that they are a
measure of a person's ability to apply logic and rationale within a
framework considered normal in Western culture. Why then should we wish
to accept immigrants who are demonstrably poor in the mental abilities
required by our civilisation?
It's no wonder that Negroes underachieve academically and professionally
in Western countries. By the same token, I would not thrive in a Negro
country because I do not demonstrate the same ability to be dishonest,
aggressive and violent in the face of adversity. These are are negative
traits to the Western mind that are valued in Negro cultures.
Unfortunately, the culture clash being played out in Western countries
all too often involves violence and aggression winning out over logic
and rationale.
That being said, the logical, rational and - above all - kind response
is to remove the Negro from a country in which he is less likely to
succeed and let him live naturally in his native habitat. It has
nothing to do with hate that I wish to seem them removed and everything
to do with compassion.
Too bad your white IQ is much less than that of Arabs, Jews and
Asians. You just proved that everybody wants somebody lower than
himself.
Arabs are less than European average, Israelis the same and non-Israeli
Jews much higher. After Jews come Mongoloids with Korea having the
highest average. Indians are somewhat lower than Europeans and Negroids
far down the scale. Of course, much of this is complicated by factors
such as childhood nutrition and the Flynn Effect.
--
Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/-Transcendence UKhttp://www.theconsensus..org/-A UK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe-Occult Talk Show- Hide quoted text -
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Oh excuse me. You must be refering to some psychobabble tests. I
was thinking of the scores of PhD scientists, Doctors and
entrepreneurs.
I was referring to the point made, which I quote: "Too bad your white IQ
is much less than that of Arabs, Jews and Asians." The statement is
largely incorrect.
--
Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/- Transcendence UKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/- A UK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe- Occult Talk Show- Hide quoted text -
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IQ tests are culturally biased. The proof is in the pudding. I
measure IQs with advanced degrees profound business success in hard
science. The rest is flim flam or hucksterism. So the statement is
profoundly correct. |
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| Dirk Bruere at NeoPax... |
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:58 pm |
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AndrewJH wrote:
Quote: On Nov 2, 9:55 am, White Spirit <wspi... at (no spam) homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
Given that the average IQ of a Negro is 85, this means that almost fifty
percent of them have an IQ score that fulfils the IQ requirement for
clinical retardation. The liberal view, however, is that IQ tests are
culturally biased and therefore not a fair measure of intelligence. If
IQ tests are culturally biased then it stands to reason that they are a
measure of a person's ability to apply logic and rationale within a
framework considered normal in Western culture. Why then should we wish
to accept immigrants who are demonstrably poor in the mental abilities
required by our civilisation?
It's no wonder that Negroes underachieve academically and professionally
in Western countries. By the same token, I would not thrive in a Negro
country because I do not demonstrate the same ability to be dishonest,
aggressive and violent in the face of adversity. These are are negative
traits to the Western mind that are valued in Negro cultures.
Unfortunately, the culture clash being played out in Western countries
all too often involves violence and aggression winning out over logic
and rationale.
That being said, the logical, rational and - above all - kind response
is to remove the Negro from a country in which he is less likely to
succeed and let him live naturally in his native habitat. It has
nothing to do with hate that I wish to seem them removed and everything
to do with compassion.
Too bad your white IQ is much less than that of Arabs, Jews and
Asians. You just proved that everybody wants somebody lower than
himself.
Arabs are less than European average, Israelis the same and non-Israeli
Jews much higher. After Jews come Mongoloids with Korea having the
highest average. Indians are somewhat lower than Europeans and Negroids
far down the scale. Of course, much of this is complicated by factors
such as childhood nutrition and the Flynn Effect.
--
Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show |
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:49 pm |
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AndrewJH wrote:
Quote: On Nov 5, 5:58 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:
AndrewJH wrote:
On Nov 2, 9:55 am, White Spirit <wspi... at (no spam) homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
Given that the average IQ of a Negro is 85, this means that almost fifty
percent of them have an IQ score that fulfils the IQ requirement for
clinical retardation. The liberal view, however, is that IQ tests are
culturally biased and therefore not a fair measure of intelligence. If
IQ tests are culturally biased then it stands to reason that they are a
measure of a person's ability to apply logic and rationale within a
framework considered normal in Western culture. Why then should we wish
to accept immigrants who are demonstrably poor in the mental abilities
required by our civilisation?
It's no wonder that Negroes underachieve academically and professionally
in Western countries. By the same token, I would not thrive in a Negro
country because I do not demonstrate the same ability to be dishonest,
aggressive and violent in the face of adversity. These are are negative
traits to the Western mind that are valued in Negro cultures.
Unfortunately, the culture clash being played out in Western countries
all too often involves violence and aggression winning out over logic
and rationale.
That being said, the logical, rational and - above all - kind response
is to remove the Negro from a country in which he is less likely to
succeed and let him live naturally in his native habitat. It has
nothing to do with hate that I wish to seem them removed and everything
to do with compassion.
Too bad your white IQ is much less than that of Arabs, Jews and
Asians. You just proved that everybody wants somebody lower than
himself.
Arabs are less than European average, Israelis the same and non-Israeli
Jews much higher. After Jews come Mongoloids with Korea having the
highest average. Indians are somewhat lower than Europeans and Negroids
far down the scale. Of course, much of this is complicated by factors
such as childhood nutrition and the Flynn Effect.
--
Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/- Transcendence UKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/- A UK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe- Occult Talk Show- Hide quoted text -
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Oh excuse me. You must be refering to some psychobabble tests. I
was thinking of the scores of PhD scientists, Doctors and
entrepreneurs.
I was referring to the point made, which I quote: "Too bad your white IQ
is much less than that of Arabs, Jews and Asians." The statement is
largely incorrect.
--
Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show |
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:05 am |
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On Nov 5, 2:29 pm, White Spirit <wspi... at (no spam) homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
Quote: Nick 'my dad (correction) didnt fly spitfires' Griffin wrote:
On Nov 4, 12:10 am, White Spirit <wspi... at (no spam) homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
Nick 'my dad (correction) didnt fly spitfires' Griffin wrote:
On Nov 3, 5:13 pm, White Spirit <wspi... at (no spam) homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
Nick 'my dad (correction) didnt fly spitfires' Griffin wrote:
a black person with a much higher IQ than you
Prove it.
disprove it.
The burden of proof is upon you.
its your thread fuckwit
You're the one who made the assertion, knob head.
you first homer |
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