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| Robert Henderson... |
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:38 am |
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In message <hcmvdt$pes$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org>, White Spirit
<wspirit at (no spam) homechoice.co.uk> writes
Quote: Given that the average IQ of a Negro is 85,
70 according to Lynn and Vanhanan in IQ and the wealth of nations. The
85 figure comes from the US where the black population has a high white
genetic component. Interestingly, the Cape Coloureds of SA also score
around 85 while the SA blacks score around 70. RH
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| Dirk Bruere at NeoPax... |
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:42 am |
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AndrewJH wrote:
Quote: On Nov 5, 6:49 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:
AndrewJH wrote:
On Nov 5, 5:58 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:
AndrewJH wrote:
On Nov 2, 9:55 am, White Spirit <wspi... at (no spam) homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
Given that the average IQ of a Negro is 85, this means that almost fifty
percent of them have an IQ score that fulfils the IQ requirement for
clinical retardation. The liberal view, however, is that IQ tests are
culturally biased and therefore not a fair measure of intelligence. If
IQ tests are culturally biased then it stands to reason that they are a
measure of a person's ability to apply logic and rationale within a
framework considered normal in Western culture. Why then should we wish
to accept immigrants who are demonstrably poor in the mental abilities
required by our civilisation?
It's no wonder that Negroes underachieve academically and professionally
in Western countries. By the same token, I would not thrive in a Negro
country because I do not demonstrate the same ability to be dishonest,
aggressive and violent in the face of adversity. These are are negative
traits to the Western mind that are valued in Negro cultures.
Unfortunately, the culture clash being played out in Western countries
all too often involves violence and aggression winning out over logic
and rationale.
That being said, the logical, rational and - above all - kind response
is to remove the Negro from a country in which he is less likely to
succeed and let him live naturally in his native habitat. It has
nothing to do with hate that I wish to seem them removed and everything
to do with compassion.
Too bad your white IQ is much less than that of Arabs, Jews and
Asians. You just proved that everybody wants somebody lower than
himself.
Arabs are less than European average, Israelis the same and non-Israeli
Jews much higher. After Jews come Mongoloids with Korea having the
highest average. Indians are somewhat lower than Europeans and Negroids
far down the scale. Of course, much of this is complicated by factors
such as childhood nutrition and the Flynn Effect.
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Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/-Transcendence UKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/-A UK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe-Occult Talk Show- Hide quoted text -
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Oh excuse me. You must be refering to some psychobabble tests. I
was thinking of the scores of PhD scientists, Doctors and
entrepreneurs.
I was referring to the point made, which I quote: "Too bad your white IQ
is much less than that of Arabs, Jews and Asians." The statement is
largely incorrect.
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Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/- Transcendence UKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/- A UK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe- Occult Talk Show- Hide quoted text -
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IQ tests are culturally biased. The proof is in the pudding. I
measure IQs with advanced degrees profound business success in hard
science. The rest is flim flam or hucksterism. So the statement is
profoundly correct.
Well, as for cultural bias, it seems that Asians do OK on "White Man's
Tests". Only Africans do really badly.
Perhaps you can point me to an IQ test devised around African culture,
and designed as far as possible (like Western IQ tests) to be as culture
free as possible and not knowledge based.
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Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show |
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| AndrewJH... |
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:18 pm |
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On Nov 6, 9:42 am, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru... at (no spam) gmail.com>
wrote:
Quote: AndrewJH wrote:
On Nov 5, 6:49 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:
AndrewJH wrote:
On Nov 5, 5:58 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:
AndrewJH wrote:
On Nov 2, 9:55 am, White Spirit <wspi... at (no spam) homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
Given that the average IQ of a Negro is 85, this means that almost fifty
percent of them have an IQ score that fulfils the IQ requirement for
clinical retardation. The liberal view, however, is that IQ tests are
culturally biased and therefore not a fair measure of intelligence.. If
IQ tests are culturally biased then it stands to reason that they are a
measure of a person's ability to apply logic and rationale within a
framework considered normal in Western culture. Why then should we wish
to accept immigrants who are demonstrably poor in the mental abilities
required by our civilisation?
It's no wonder that Negroes underachieve academically and professionally
in Western countries. By the same token, I would not thrive in a Negro
country because I do not demonstrate the same ability to be dishonest,
aggressive and violent in the face of adversity. These are are negative
traits to the Western mind that are valued in Negro cultures.
Unfortunately, the culture clash being played out in Western countries
all too often involves violence and aggression winning out over logic
and rationale.
That being said, the logical, rational and - above all - kind response
is to remove the Negro from a country in which he is less likely to
succeed and let him live naturally in his native habitat. It has
nothing to do with hate that I wish to seem them removed and everything
to do with compassion.
Too bad your white IQ is much less than that of Arabs, Jews and
Asians. You just proved that everybody wants somebody lower than
himself.
Arabs are less than European average, Israelis the same and non-Israeli
Jews much higher. After Jews come Mongoloids with Korea having the
highest average. Indians are somewhat lower than Europeans and Negroids
far down the scale. Of course, much of this is complicated by factors
such as childhood nutrition and the Flynn Effect.
--
Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/-TranscendenceUKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/-AUK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe-OccultTalk Show- Hide quoted text -
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Oh excuse me. You must be refering to some psychobabble tests. I
was thinking of the scores of PhD scientists, Doctors and
entrepreneurs.
I was referring to the point made, which I quote: "Too bad your white IQ
is much less than that of Arabs, Jews and Asians." The statement is
largely incorrect.
--
Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/-Transcendence UKhttp://www.theconsensus..org/-A UK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe-Occult Talk Show- Hide quoted text -
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IQ tests are culturally biased. The proof is in the pudding. I
measure IQs with advanced degrees profound business success in hard
science. The rest is flim flam or hucksterism. So the statement is
profoundly correct.
Well, as for cultural bias, it seems that Asians do OK on "White Man's
Tests". Only Africans do really badly.
Perhaps you can point me to an IQ test devised around African culture,
and designed as far as possible (like Western IQ tests) to be as culture
free as possible and not knowledge based.
--
Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/- Transcendence UKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/- A UK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe- Occult Talk Show- Hide quoted text -
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Years ago there was a question on an IQ test. It wen something like
this:
If you lost your wallet or something valuable in a field how would you
go about
finding it? The answer. You walk in cocentric circles, (getting
successfully smaller
until you find it. The perception amongst our erstwhile
psychobabblists was that
American Indians must have been stupid because they said they could
easily
track their steps.
Again I submit, kick all arab, east Indian and Asian immigrants out of
this country
(th US) and or Western Europe and you better sell all of your tech
stocks because they
are going to go to hell. It seems that a bunch of tattooed punctured
cowboy ignoramusses
don't contribute muct to the economy. |
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| Ste... |
Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:02 am |
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On 7 Nov, 04:18, AndrewJH <ahillik... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote:
Years ago there was a question on an IQ test. It wen something like
this:
If you lost your wallet or something valuable in a field how would you
go about
finding it? The answer. You walk in cocentric circles, (getting
successfully smaller
until you find it.
Does one have to search in a spiral pattern, or would any systematic
pattern suffice?
Quote: The perception amongst our erstwhile
psychobabblists was that
American Indians must have been stupid because they said they could
easily
track their steps.
It's interesting that because if you'd asked me the question "how do
you find the wallet", I'd have said "you look for it", and if that
didn't suffice then the next thing I'd have said would have been "you
retrace your steps". Starting at the edge of the field and visiting
each corner would usually be an absurd waste of time. Of course, IQ
tests aren't very amenable to answers that are outside of the box. |
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| Ste... |
Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:25 am |
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On 7 Nov, 11:18, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Ste wrote:
On 7 Nov, 04:18, AndrewJH <ahillik... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Years ago there was a question on an IQ test. It wen something like
this:
If you lost your wallet or something valuable in a field how would you
go about
finding it? The answer. You walk in cocentric circles, (getting
successfully smaller
until you find it.
Does one have to search in a spiral pattern, or would any systematic
pattern suffice?
The perception amongst our erstwhile
psychobabblists was that
American Indians must have been stupid because they said they could
easily
track their steps.
It's interesting that because if you'd asked me the question "how do
you find the wallet", I'd have said "you look for it", and if that
didn't suffice then the next thing I'd have said would have been "you
retrace your steps". Starting at the edge of the field and visiting
each corner would usually be an absurd waste of time. Of course, IQ
tests aren't very amenable to answers that are outside of the box.
The optimal method is to retrace the path and keep retracing it, but
expanding the route by 1 meter either side with each iteration.
I agree. The only time the spiral pattern would be at all tolerable is
if you had, for example, played a game of football on the field,
travelling to and from all edges, and did not know when the wallet had
dropped (and thus it could literally be anywhere on the field). But
even then, I would be inclined to start at one edge, and go up and
down in a snaking fashion, rather than a spiral pattern where it would
be incredibly difficult to maintain an accurate and effective path.
Indeed, the spiral pattern is attractive only in abstract theory, when
of course "intelligence" has to be about what is most effective in the
real world. I recall an anecdote about a brilliant mathematician, and
an uneducated but successful businessman, who together watch a coin be
tossed 10 times with heads resulting each time. They're then asked
what the odds are of a tails result on the next throw, and the
mathematician says energetically "50:50 - previous results do not
affect future odds", and the businessman says "Pff! I'd say very
little chance of a tails. The coin is clearly weighted".
Of course either of them may be right depending on the circumstances,
but therein lies the cultural subjectivity of the question - the
businessman, due to his experience of dealing with all sorts of people
in the real world, thinks it more likely to be a trick than just an
unusual sequence of results, whereas the mathematician, accustomed to
reasoning over abstract rules with honest colleagues, probably doesn't
even imagine the possibility of a trick. Neither can be sure, but each
immediately and implicitly assumes that the circumstances will be
similar to those they have commonly experienced before in their
cultural background. |
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| Dirk Bruere at NeoPax... |
Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:17 am |
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AndrewJH wrote:
Quote: On Nov 6, 9:42 am, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:
AndrewJH wrote:
On Nov 5, 6:49 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:
AndrewJH wrote:
On Nov 5, 5:58 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:
AndrewJH wrote:
On Nov 2, 9:55 am, White Spirit <wspi... at (no spam) homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
Given that the average IQ of a Negro is 85, this means that almost fifty
percent of them have an IQ score that fulfils the IQ requirement for
clinical retardation. The liberal view, however, is that IQ tests are
culturally biased and therefore not a fair measure of intelligence. If
IQ tests are culturally biased then it stands to reason that they are a
measure of a person's ability to apply logic and rationale within a
framework considered normal in Western culture. Why then should we wish
to accept immigrants who are demonstrably poor in the mental abilities
required by our civilisation?
It's no wonder that Negroes underachieve academically and professionally
in Western countries. By the same token, I would not thrive in a Negro
country because I do not demonstrate the same ability to be dishonest,
aggressive and violent in the face of adversity. These are are negative
traits to the Western mind that are valued in Negro cultures.
Unfortunately, the culture clash being played out in Western countries
all too often involves violence and aggression winning out over logic
and rationale.
That being said, the logical, rational and - above all - kind response
is to remove the Negro from a country in which he is less likely to
succeed and let him live naturally in his native habitat. It has
nothing to do with hate that I wish to seem them removed and everything
to do with compassion.
Too bad your white IQ is much less than that of Arabs, Jews and
Asians. You just proved that everybody wants somebody lower than
himself.
Arabs are less than European average, Israelis the same and non-Israeli
Jews much higher. After Jews come Mongoloids with Korea having the
highest average. Indians are somewhat lower than Europeans and Negroids
far down the scale. Of course, much of this is complicated by factors
such as childhood nutrition and the Flynn Effect.
--
Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/-TranscendenceUKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/-AUK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe-OccultTalk Show- Hide quoted text -
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Oh excuse me. You must be refering to some psychobabble tests. I
was thinking of the scores of PhD scientists, Doctors and
entrepreneurs.
I was referring to the point made, which I quote: "Too bad your white IQ
is much less than that of Arabs, Jews and Asians." The statement is
largely incorrect.
--
Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/-Transcendence UKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/-A UK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe-Occult Talk Show- Hide quoted text -
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IQ tests are culturally biased. The proof is in the pudding. I
measure IQs with advanced degrees profound business success in hard
science. The rest is flim flam or hucksterism. So the statement is
profoundly correct.
Well, as for cultural bias, it seems that Asians do OK on "White Man's
Tests". Only Africans do really badly.
Perhaps you can point me to an IQ test devised around African culture,
and designed as far as possible (like Western IQ tests) to be as culture
free as possible and not knowledge based.
--
Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/- Transcendence UKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/- A UK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe- Occult Talk Show- Hide quoted text -
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Years ago there was a question on an IQ test. It wen something like
this:
If you lost your wallet or something valuable in a field how would you
go about
finding it? The answer. You walk in cocentric circles, (getting
successfully smaller
until you find it. The perception amongst our erstwhile
psychobabblists was that
American Indians must have been stupid because they said they could
easily
track their steps.
Again I submit, kick all arab, east Indian and Asian immigrants out of
this country
(th US) and or Western Europe and you better sell all of your tech
stocks because they
are going to go to hell. It seems that a bunch of tattooed punctured
cowboy ignoramusses
don't contribute muct to the economy.
I see you don't include Blacks in your "kick out" statement.
Is that to imply that if they were kicked out the only difference would
be less crime?
--
Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show |
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| Dirk Bruere at NeoPax... |
Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:18 am |
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Ste wrote:
Quote: On 7 Nov, 04:18, AndrewJH <ahillik... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Years ago there was a question on an IQ test. It wen something like
this:
If you lost your wallet or something valuable in a field how would you
go about
finding it? The answer. You walk in cocentric circles, (getting
successfully smaller
until you find it.
Does one have to search in a spiral pattern, or would any systematic
pattern suffice?
The perception amongst our erstwhile
psychobabblists was that
American Indians must have been stupid because they said they could
easily
track their steps.
It's interesting that because if you'd asked me the question "how do
you find the wallet", I'd have said "you look for it", and if that
didn't suffice then the next thing I'd have said would have been "you
retrace your steps". Starting at the edge of the field and visiting
each corner would usually be an absurd waste of time. Of course, IQ
tests aren't very amenable to answers that are outside of the box.
The optimal method is to retrace the path and keep retracing it, but
expanding the route by 1 meter either side with each iteration.
--
Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show |
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| Dirk Bruere at NeoPax... |
Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:42 am |
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Ste wrote:
Quote: On 7 Nov, 11:18, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Ste wrote:
On 7 Nov, 04:18, AndrewJH <ahillik... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Years ago there was a question on an IQ test. It wen something like
this:
If you lost your wallet or something valuable in a field how would you
go about
finding it? The answer. You walk in cocentric circles, (getting
successfully smaller
until you find it.
Does one have to search in a spiral pattern, or would any systematic
pattern suffice?
The perception amongst our erstwhile
psychobabblists was that
American Indians must have been stupid because they said they could
easily
track their steps.
It's interesting that because if you'd asked me the question "how do
you find the wallet", I'd have said "you look for it", and if that
didn't suffice then the next thing I'd have said would have been "you
retrace your steps". Starting at the edge of the field and visiting
each corner would usually be an absurd waste of time. Of course, IQ
tests aren't very amenable to answers that are outside of the box.
The optimal method is to retrace the path and keep retracing it, but
expanding the route by 1 meter either side with each iteration.
I agree. The only time the spiral pattern would be at all tolerable is
if you had, for example, played a game of football on the field,
travelling to and from all edges, and did not know when the wallet had
dropped (and thus it could literally be anywhere on the field). But
even then, I would be inclined to start at one edge, and go up and
down in a snaking fashion, rather than a spiral pattern where it would
be incredibly difficult to maintain an accurate and effective path.
Even then I'm not sure how that would compare to a binary chop, dividing
the field into repeated halves
--
Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show |
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| Ste... |
Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:40 pm |
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On 7 Nov, 14:42, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Ste wrote:
On 7 Nov, 11:18, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Ste wrote:
On 7 Nov, 04:18, AndrewJH <ahillik... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Years ago there was a question on an IQ test. It wen something like
this:
If you lost your wallet or something valuable in a field how would you
go about
finding it? The answer. You walk in cocentric circles, (getting
successfully smaller
until you find it.
Does one have to search in a spiral pattern, or would any systematic
pattern suffice?
The perception amongst our erstwhile
psychobabblists was that
American Indians must have been stupid because they said they could
easily
track their steps.
It's interesting that because if you'd asked me the question "how do
you find the wallet", I'd have said "you look for it", and if that
didn't suffice then the next thing I'd have said would have been "you
retrace your steps". Starting at the edge of the field and visiting
each corner would usually be an absurd waste of time. Of course, IQ
tests aren't very amenable to answers that are outside of the box.
The optimal method is to retrace the path and keep retracing it, but
expanding the route by 1 meter either side with each iteration.
I agree. The only time the spiral pattern would be at all tolerable is
if you had, for example, played a game of football on the field,
travelling to and from all edges, and did not know when the wallet had
dropped (and thus it could literally be anywhere on the field). But
even then, I would be inclined to start at one edge, and go up and
down in a snaking fashion, rather than a spiral pattern where it would
be incredibly difficult to maintain an accurate and effective path.
Even then I'm not sure how that would compare to a binary chop, dividing
the field into repeated halves
I actually had to look that up and was pleasantly surprised to find
that it's a programming technique for searching sorted records.
However, I'm not sure how that applies to searching a field for a
missing wallet, but I'm *very* interested to know. |
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:51 pm |
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On Nov 7, 5:02 am, Ste <ste_ro... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote: On 7 Nov, 04:18, AndrewJH <ahillik... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Years ago there was a question on an IQ test. It wen something like
this:
If you lost your wallet or something valuable in a field how would you
go about
finding it? The answer. You walk in cocentric circles, (getting
successfully smaller
until you find it.
Does one have to search in a spiral pattern, or would any systematic
pattern suffice?
The perception amongst our erstwhile
psychobabblists was that
American Indians must have been stupid because they said they could
easily
track their steps.
It's interesting that because if you'd asked me the question "how do
you find the wallet", I'd have said "you look for it", and if that
didn't suffice then the next thing I'd have said would have been "you
retrace your steps". Starting at the edge of the field and visiting
each corner would usually be an absurd waste of time. Of course, IQ
tests aren't very amenable to answers that are outside of the box.
You would have flunked the question. That would have put your score
lower.
The point is: Your answer is a very good one, but a psychologists
knows more about
what intelligence is (I am being sarcastic). |
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:52 pm |
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On Nov 7, 5:18 am, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru... at (no spam) gmail.com>
wrote:
Quote: Ste wrote:
On 7 Nov, 04:18, AndrewJH <ahillik... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Years ago there was a question on an IQ test. It wen something like
this:
If you lost your wallet or something valuable in a field how would you
go about
finding it? The answer. You walk in cocentric circles, (getting
successfully smaller
until you find it.
Does one have to search in a spiral pattern, or would any systematic
pattern suffice?
The perception amongst our erstwhile
psychobabblists was that
American Indians must have been stupid because they said they could
easily
track their steps.
It's interesting that because if you'd asked me the question "how do
you find the wallet", I'd have said "you look for it", and if that
didn't suffice then the next thing I'd have said would have been "you
retrace your steps". Starting at the edge of the field and visiting
each corner would usually be an absurd waste of time. Of course, IQ
tests aren't very amenable to answers that are outside of the box.
The optimal method is to retrace the path and keep retracing it, but
expanding the route by 1 meter either side with each iteration.
--
Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/- Transcendence UKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/- A UK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe- Occult Talk Show- Hide quoted text -
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Wrong answer. Schedule an appointment with Dr. Phil. Bring Crazy
Horse with you. Maybe he will help redefining intelligence. |
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