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Iconoclast...
Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:05 am
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This might go under the heading Truth and Accuracy in Census Taking --
Iconoclast

http://www.davidduke.com/general/the-term-white-now-inappropriate-on-the-2010-census_13143.html

The Term “White” Now Inappropriate on the 2010 Census

By James Schneider

The 2010 United States census will be mailed to Americans in February
and March of next year. It will offer more choices than ever for
racial classifications. This comes at a time when nearly every leader
says that race does not matter. Some people even say that there is no
scientific basis for race. Yet many who claim to believe this also
support affirmative action and other forms of discrimination against
whites.

The Center for Perpetual Diversity found some problems with the census
and made recommendations to the Census Bureau for the 2020 census.
First we should look at the 1890 census which is interesting because
they already recognized the problem of how to count mixed race people.
According to the census in 1890 The United States and its territories
contained 6,337,980 Negroes, 956,989 Mulattoes, 105,135 Quadroons,
69,936 Octoroons, 107,475 Chinese, 2,039 Japanese and 58,805 Civilized
Indians. The 1890 census divided whites into 3 categories. Their
populations were as follows: 34,358,348 native whites, 11,583,075
native whites with foreign parents, and 9,121,807 foreign whites.

An Octoroon was defined as anyone with 1/8 negro ancestry or any trace
of negro ancestry. Later the Census Bureau simplified things by just
having one category for people with black ancestors. When they made
this change it gave Qaudroons and Octoroons a chance to classify
themselves as white. Furthermore, how many people know all eight of
their great-grand parents? I am sure that quite a few Octoroons don’t
even know that they are black. Even Quadroons are technically more
white than black, even though they look black and probably vote black.
A Quadroon would not really be telling a lie if he said he was white.

In 1890 Hispanics had to be counted as either white or Civilized
Indian. So why do we need a different category for them in 2010?
Hispanics can be of any race as they keep reminding us. When a crime
victim describes the assailant as looking Hispanic, a good defense
attorney will explain to the jury that there is no such thing as a
Hispanic look or a Hispanic race. Hispanics’ skin color ranges from
the darkest black to nearly the lightest white and there are Asian
Hispanics as well.

Question number 8 of the 2010 Census explains that ‘Hispanic origins
are not races.’ We are offered the following choices:

Not of Hispanic, Latino or Spanish origin

Mexican, Mexican Am., Chicano

Peurto Rican

Cuban

“another Hispanic, Latino or Spanish origin – print origin, for
example, Argentinian, Columbian, Dominican, Nicaraguan, Salvadorean,
Spaniard, and so on”

Question 9 is about race and says the respondant can mark one or more
boxes. It offers the following choices:

White

Black or African American or Negro

American Indian or Alaska Native, Print name of enrolled or principle
tribe.

Asian Indian

Chinese

Filipino

Japanese

Korean

Vietnamese

Native Hawaiian

Guamanian or Chamorro

Samoan

Other Asian

Other Pacific Islander

Just in case these choices are not enough you can also check ‘some
other race’ and print whatever you want.

For the purpose of the census, is the difference between Japanese and
Chinese or Korean really that important? They are not different races,
just like French and English are not different races..

Are Guamanians and Samoans different races? Why are they races and
Hispanics are not? Most Hispanics need to say that they are white if
they choose from the above list and don’t want to write an answer by
hand in those little squares. Hispanics could be divided into racial
groups and the entire category of Hispanic could be eliminated. People
with mostly Spanish or Portugese blood would be white or European and
darker Hispanics would be African or Negro and the others would be
South American Indians. They would not lose political power from such
a change.

I am sure that many of the people who check the ‘white’ box do so
because they don’t fit into the other categories and they don’t want
to take the time to put a check mark next to ‘some other race’ and
then scribble the name of some country which they are happy to forget.
Many of these ‘whites’ are not really white at all.

The term white really seems inappropriate now. Arabs, Georgians,
Afhanistanis, Iranians, Most Hispanics or Latinos, and Moroccans to
name a few, are not really white. Some of them can pass for white but
such diverse people should not simply be dumped in the same category
just to make things easy.

Perhaps there is another reason. The same people that are responsible
for bringing millions of third world immigrants into our country might
be telling the Census Bureau to make it look like America is more
white than it really is. High level officials must be concerned that
reporting a smaller population of whites will shock the financial
markets and cause a market crash and/or a devaluation of the dollar.
When the white population drops below a certain level, it could
trigger the ultimate white flight, as millions of whites move to
Europe as author, James Schneider wrote about in his novel, White
Flight? This is a valid concern, but The Center for Perpetual
Diversity believes we should correct the problem rather than mislead
ourselves into thinking that it is not that bad.

The Center recommends that the Census Bureau eliminate the white
category and replace it with: Europeans, Arabs, and West Asians.
Perhaps it would even be good to separate Europeans into Northern
Europeans, Southern Europeans, because these two groups are more
different than Chinese and Japanese. If the Census Bureau followed
this advice the white population of the US (people whose ancestors
came from Europe) would probably be less than 50%. This is a milestone
that many liberals look forward to. Why not give them this victory
sooner rather than in the year 2042 as projected? Then we will see if
they are satisfied with a white population under 50% or if they will
continue their racist policies until whites are virtually extinct.

To further complicate things we should consider the white Africans.
There are a number of white refugees from Africa living in the United
States. Most are from South Africa and Rhodesia but there are some
from other countries too. These people were born in Africa and may
even have white ancestors born in Africa hundreds of years ago. They
are not black or Negro but they are more African than the majority of
blacks in America. They could honestly say that they are African
Americans.

My dictionary defines Hispanic as, ‘of or relating to the people,
speech or culture of Spain, Spain and Portugal or Latin America.’ If a
European couple lives and works in Mexico for a few years and then
moves to the U.S., can they claim to be Hispanic? What about their
Mexican born child? If a person visits Mexico for a week or two and
likes the food and learns a few words of Spanish is that enough to be
Hispanic?

Many anthropologists agree that all humans alive today have a common
ancestor who lived near what is today Kenya about 150,000 years ago.
Therefore everyone could say that they are African or African
Americans. It is even more important to classify yourself as African
American when you are applying for a loan or a job. It may increase
your chances of success, but it also helps the company you are dealing
with. They will get extra points (whatever that is worth) for lending
to or hiring more Africans. If they look at you and say, ‘you’re not
African American.’ You can respond defiantly, ‘I have ancestors from
Africa. I hope you are not going to discriminate against me because my
skin is lighter than some of my African cousins.’

When we complete the 2010 census we must give more thought to our
responses, especially question 9. It would be more accurate to check
the ‘other’ box and write in ‘European’ or a specific country of
origin. Or, should we consider our ancestors from 150,000 years ago
and say that we are African American to protest against a country that
encourages discrimination against whites? If large numbers of people
who think of themsevles as white were to reclassify themselves as
African American it would focus more attention on our plight. If the
2010 census shows that whites are only 40% of the population maybe
some of our leaders would be alarmed enough to take action and stop
the insane levels of immigration into our country. Or is it more
important to get results which can be compared to previous census’ so
that we will all know how much worse our country has become?
 
editor at (no spam) netpath.net...
Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:53 pm
Guest
Just call me EUROPEAN-AMERICAN.

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/08/04/where-is-your-townhall/ is
the all-states, continually-updated calendar of "town halls."

http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com - your source for hard-to-find stuff!
 
Wayne...
Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:18 pm
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"Iconoclast" <goldstein at (no spam) nym.hush.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
This might go under the heading Truth and Accuracy in Census Taking --
Iconoclast

http://www.davidduke.com/general/the-term-white-now-inappropriate-on-the-2010-census_13143.html

The Term “White” Now Inappropriate on the 2010 Census

By James Schneider

The 2010 United States census will be mailed to Americans in February
and March of next year. It will offer more choices than ever for
racial classifications. This comes at a time when nearly every leader
says that race does not matter. Some people even say that there is no
scientific basis for race. Yet many who claim to believe this also
support affirmative action and other forms of discrimination against
whites.

The Center for Perpetual Diversity found some problems with the census...
-

Center for Perpetual Diveristy? WTF is this...an organization dedicated to
keeping races separated so that they can be a democrat voting block?

Anyway....To perform the census mission, all this racial information is
unnecessary. The problem with gathering the unneeded information is that it
goes without saying, that the government will use it for something. The
most likely scenario is that the census bureau will parlay the data into a
census budget increase.
 
No_He_Can_Not...
Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:03 pm
Guest
Iconoclast wrote:
Quote:
This might go under the heading Truth and Accuracy in Census Taking --
Iconoclast

http://www.davidduke.com/general/the-term-white-now-inappropriate-on-the-2010-census_13143.html

The Term “White” Now Inappropriate on the 2010 Census

By James Schneider

The 2010 United States census will be mailed to Americans in February
and March of next year. It will offer more choices than ever for
racial classifications. This comes at a time when nearly every leader
says that race does not matter. Some people even say that there is no
scientific basis for race. Yet many who claim to believe this also
support affirmative action and other forms of discrimination against
whites.

The Center for Perpetual Diversity found some problems with the census
and made recommendations to the Census Bureau for the 2020 census.
First we should look at the 1890 census which is interesting because
they already recognized the problem of how to count mixed race people.
According to the census in 1890 The United States and its territories
contained 6,337,980 Negroes, 956,989 Mulattoes, 105,135 Quadroons,
69,936 Octoroons, 107,475 Chinese, 2,039 Japanese and 58,805 Civilized
Indians. The 1890 census divided whites into 3 categories. Their
populations were as follows: 34,358,348 native whites, 11,583,075
native whites with foreign parents, and 9,121,807 foreign whites.

An Octoroon was defined as anyone with 1/8 negro ancestry or any trace
of negro ancestry. Later the Census Bureau simplified things by just
having one category for people with black ancestors. When they made
this change it gave Qaudroons and Octoroons a chance to classify
themselves as white. Furthermore, how many people know all eight of
their great-grand parents? I am sure that quite a few Octoroons don’t
even know that they are black. Even Quadroons are technically more
white than black, even though they look black and probably vote black.
A Quadroon would not really be telling a lie if he said he was white.

In 1890 Hispanics had to be counted as either white or Civilized
Indian. So why do we need a different category for them in 2010?
Hispanics can be of any race as they keep reminding us. When a crime
victim describes the assailant as looking Hispanic, a good defense
attorney will explain to the jury that there is no such thing as a
Hispanic look or a Hispanic race. Hispanics’ skin color ranges from
the darkest black to nearly the lightest white and there are Asian
Hispanics as well.

Question number 8 of the 2010 Census explains that ‘Hispanic origins
are not races.’ We are offered the following choices:

Not of Hispanic, Latino or Spanish origin

Mexican, Mexican Am., Chicano

Peurto Rican

Cuban

“another Hispanic, Latino or Spanish origin – print origin, for
example, Argentinian, Columbian, Dominican, Nicaraguan, Salvadorean,
Spaniard, and so on”

Question 9 is about race and says the respondant can mark one or more
boxes. It offers the following choices:

White

Black or African American or Negro

American Indian or Alaska Native, Print name of enrolled or principle
tribe.

Asian Indian

Chinese

Filipino

Japanese

Korean

Vietnamese

Native Hawaiian

Guamanian or Chamorro

Samoan

Other Asian

Other Pacific Islander

Just in case these choices are not enough you can also check ‘some
other race’ and print whatever you want.

For the purpose of the census, is the difference between Japanese and
Chinese or Korean really that important? They are not different races,
just like French and English are not different races..

Are Guamanians and Samoans different races? Why are they races and
Hispanics are not? Most Hispanics need to say that they are white if
they choose from the above list and don’t want to write an answer by
hand in those little squares. Hispanics could be divided into racial
groups and the entire category of Hispanic could be eliminated. People
with mostly Spanish or Portugese blood would be white or European and
darker Hispanics would be African or Negro and the others would be
South American Indians. They would not lose political power from such
a change.

I am sure that many of the people who check the ‘white’ box do so
because they don’t fit into the other categories and they don’t want
to take the time to put a check mark next to ‘some other race’ and
then scribble the name of some country which they are happy to forget.
Many of these ‘whites’ are not really white at all.

The term white really seems inappropriate now. Arabs, Georgians,
Afhanistanis, Iranians, Most Hispanics or Latinos, and Moroccans to
name a few, are not really white. Some of them can pass for white but
such diverse people should not simply be dumped in the same category
just to make things easy.

Perhaps there is another reason. The same people that are responsible
for bringing millions of third world immigrants into our country might
be telling the Census Bureau to make it look like America is more
white than it really is. High level officials must be concerned that
reporting a smaller population of whites will shock the financial
markets and cause a market crash and/or a devaluation of the dollar.
When the white population drops below a certain level, it could
trigger the ultimate white flight, as millions of whites move to
Europe as author, James Schneider wrote about in his novel, White
Flight? This is a valid concern, but The Center for Perpetual
Diversity believes we should correct the problem rather than mislead
ourselves into thinking that it is not that bad.

The Center recommends that the Census Bureau eliminate the white
category and replace it with: Europeans, Arabs, and West Asians.
Perhaps it would even be good to separate Europeans into Northern
Europeans, Southern Europeans, because these two groups are more
different than Chinese and Japanese. If the Census Bureau followed
this advice the white population of the US (people whose ancestors
came from Europe) would probably be less than 50%. This is a milestone
that many liberals look forward to. Why not give them this victory
sooner rather than in the year 2042 as projected? Then we will see if
they are satisfied with a white population under 50% or if they will
continue their racist policies until whites are virtually extinct.

To further complicate things we should consider the white Africans.
There are a number of white refugees from Africa living in the United
States. Most are from South Africa and Rhodesia but there are some
from other countries too. These people were born in Africa and may
even have white ancestors born in Africa hundreds of years ago. They
are not black or Negro but they are more African than the majority of
blacks in America. They could honestly say that they are African
Americans.

My dictionary defines Hispanic as, ‘of or relating to the people,
speech or culture of Spain, Spain and Portugal or Latin America.’ If a
European couple lives and works in Mexico for a few years and then
moves to the U.S., can they claim to be Hispanic? What about their
Mexican born child? If a person visits Mexico for a week or two and
likes the food and learns a few words of Spanish is that enough to be
Hispanic?

Many anthropologists agree that all humans alive today have a common
ancestor who lived near what is today Kenya about 150,000 years ago.
Therefore everyone could say that they are African or African
Americans. It is even more important to classify yourself as African
American when you are applying for a loan or a job. It may increase
your chances of success, but it also helps the company you are dealing
with. They will get extra points (whatever that is worth) for lending
to or hiring more Africans. If they look at you and say, ‘you’re not
African American.’ You can respond defiantly, ‘I have ancestors from
Africa. I hope you are not going to discriminate against me because my
skin is lighter than some of my African cousins.’

When we complete the 2010 census we must give more thought to our
responses, especially question 9. It would be more accurate to check
the ‘other’ box and write in ‘European’ or a specific country of
origin. Or, should we consider our ancestors from 150,000 years ago
and say that we are African American to protest against a country that
encourages discrimination against whites? If large numbers of people
who think of themsevles as white were to reclassify themselves as
African American it would focus more attention on our plight. If the
2010 census shows that whites are only 40% of the population maybe
some of our leaders would be alarmed enough to take action and stop
the insane levels of immigration into our country. Or is it more
important to get results which can be compared to previous census’ so
that we will all know how much worse our country has become?


What the hell is wrong with a simple White , black , brown, red , olive,

yellow and a other box for the mix of your choice.
 
No_He_Can_Not...
Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:05 pm
Guest
Wayne wrote:
Quote:
"Iconoclast" <goldstein at (no spam) nym.hush.com> wrote in message
news:3f1f1d7f-937e-4de8-a482-37f06aafce8e at (no spam) q40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...

This might go under the heading Truth and Accuracy in Census Taking --
Iconoclast

http://www.davidduke.com/general/the-term-white-now-inappropriate-on-the-2010-census_13143.html

The Term “White” Now Inappropriate on the 2010 Census

By James Schneider

The 2010 United States census will be mailed to Americans in February
and March of next year. It will offer more choices than ever for
racial classifications. This comes at a time when nearly every leader
says that race does not matter. Some people even say that there is no
scientific basis for race. Yet many who claim to believe this also
support affirmative action and other forms of discrimination against
whites.

The Center for Perpetual Diversity found some problems with the census...

-
Center for Perpetual Diveristy? WTF is this...an organization dedicated to
keeping races separated so that they can be a democrat voting block?

Anyway....To perform the census mission, all this racial information is
unnecessary. The problem with gathering the unneeded information is that it
goes without saying, that the government will use it for something. The
most likely scenario is that the census bureau will parlay the data into a
census budget increase.



It will absolutely be used to discriminate against whites and to funnel

more cash to minority infested hoods .
 
Iconoclast...
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:22 am
Guest
On Nov 3, 8:41 am, "jaf" <m... at (no spam) here.com> wrote:
Quote:
"Iconoclast" <goldst... at (no spam) nym.hush.com> wrote in messagenews:3f1f1d7f-937e-4de8-a482-37f06aafce8e at (no spam) q40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...

This might go under the heading Truth and Accuracy in Census Taking --
Iconoclast

http://www.davidduke.com/general/the-term-white-now-inappropriate-on-...

Anything to do with David Duke is bullshit.

That's what was said about Charles Lindbergh. The way our nation is
going Third World, it would appear that perhaps we should have
remained isolationist as Lindbergh suggested.

Quote:

He obviously failed to learn from Sun Tzu.

Sun Tzu is over rated. It was all the fashion for business execs and
West Point / Annapolis cadets to read Sun Tzu in the '90s and yet
America kept sending our industrial base to China and attacking the
wrong countries while Mexico invaded us from the south and PR firms
put out pro-illegal alien propaganda. Now our own generals scratch
their butts and worry that China is militarizing and has become a
bigger threat than the old USSR ever was. Either Sun Tzu isn't the
brilliant teacher he's made out to be in the popular culture or the
people who read his teachings failed to gain any wisdom or insight
from it.

Quote:
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose..
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."

Know your enemy!

Mexico and Mexico's Fifth Column La Raza insurgents in the U.S.

Quote:

The liberal addenda is not to exclude whites or categorize all the other races.
That's a smoke screen.
Liberals think they are elitists.

Passing laws requiring Chinese kids to be educated in Chinese has nothing to do with helping them learn.

It has everything to with getting them useless high school degree, forcing them to work in a Chinese laundry or restaurant for the
rest of their lives.

It's slavery for the peons so the government can provide for them. It make the elitists think they are somehow important.

Yet Henry Kissinger was as bad as any socialist / progressive / self-
hating white liberal.

Quote:

They are snobs, elitist, asshole commie socialist liberal conveniently selective memory loss losers.

John
 
jaf...
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:41 am
Guest
"Iconoclast" <goldstein at (no spam) nym.hush.com> wrote in message news:3f1f1d7f-937e-4de8-a482-37f06aafce8e at (no spam) q40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
This might go under the heading Truth and Accuracy in Census Taking --
Iconoclast

http://www.davidduke.com/general/the-term-white-now-inappropriate-on-the-2010-census_13143.html


Anything to do with David Duke is bullshit.

He obviously failed to learn from Sun Tzu.
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."

Know your enemy!

The liberal addenda is not to exclude whites or categorize all the other races.
That's a smoke screen.
Liberals think they are elitists.

Passing laws requiring Chinese kids to be educated in Chinese has nothing to do with helping them learn.

It has everything to with getting them useless high school degree, forcing them to work in a Chinese laundry or restaurant for the
rest of their lives.

It's slavery for the peons so the government can provide for them. It make the elitists think they are somehow important.

They are snobs, elitist, asshole commie socialist liberal conveniently selective memory loss losers.

John
 
jaf...
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:37 pm
Guest
"Iconoclast" <goldstein at (no spam) nym.hush.com> wrote in message news:1e07ea1d-4871-4914-a97d-ae21ea7b2957 at (no spam) m3g2000pri.googlegroups.com...

Sun Tzu is over rated. It was all the fashion for business execs and
West Point / Annapolis cadets to read Sun Tzu in the '90s and yet
America kept sending our industrial base to China and attacking the
wrong countries while Mexico invaded us from the south and PR firms
put out pro-illegal alien propaganda. Now our own generals scratch
their butts and worry that China is militarizing and has become a
bigger threat than the old USSR ever was. Either Sun Tzu isn't the
brilliant teacher he's made out to be in the popular culture or the
people who read his teachings failed to gain any wisdom or insight
from it.


Tsk, tsk.
The problem lays with a "commander in chief" and "congressional leadership" that knows nothing about war taking two months to make a
decision.

Obeyme needs to find a way of blaming Bush and the republicans for his own ignorance and inability to do the job.
The commie socialist liberal conveniently selective memory loss losers think they can sit their enemies down on the couch and talk
them out of killing us.
They will only succeed if they talk them to death.


John
 
Iconoclast...
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:58 pm
Guest
On Nov 3, 11:06 pm, Winston_Smith <not_r... at (no spam) bogus.net> wrote:
Quote:
Iconoclast <goldst... at (no spam) nym.hush.com> wrote:
This might go under the heading Truth and Accuracy in Census Taking --
Iconoclast

http://www.davidduke.com/general/the-term-white-now-inappropriate-on-...
An Octoroon was defined as anyone with 1/8 negro ancestry or any trace
of negro ancestry. Later the Census Bureau simplified things by just
having one category for people with black ancestors. When they made
this change it gave Qaudroons and Octoroons a chance to classify
themselves as white. Furthermore, how many people know all eight of
their great-grand parents? I am sure that quite a few Octoroons don’t
even know that they are black.

In which case they probably would have answered in all honesty "white"
and neither they nor the census taker would have known any better.

I can just see the census of some future year when you have to give a
DNA sample with your questionnaire to establish your category.  And
while that is going on some President will be speechifying about how
all men are created equal and America doesn't care where you come
from.

Even Quadroons are technically more
white than black, even though they look black and probably vote black.

Again, voting at least, depends on what the person thinks they are.

Not of Hispanic, Latino or Spanish origin

Bull.  There are people that originated in Spain and around that area.
Then there are the "Latino/Spanish" Europeans that immigrated to the
Americas.  They may have stayed pure they may have interbred with
Native Americans which ARE generally considered a different race.

On top of that there are German and other flavors of Europeans that
have exactly the same history in the Americas.  What is a
German-Native American that lives in South America and speaks the
local version of Spanish?  It sure isn't an "Hispanic".

Question 9 is about race and says the respondant can mark one or more
boxes. It offers the following choices:

White

But the subject line of this post is:
"The Term "White" Now Inappropriate on the 2010 Census"

The post is bull.

For the purpose of the census, is the difference between Japanese and
Chinese or Korean really that important? They are not different races,
just like French and English are not different races..

I wouldn't tell the French or the English that without somewhere to
duck.

The term white really seems inappropriate now. Arabs, Georgians,
Afhanistanis, Iranians, Most Hispanics or Latinos, and Moroccans to
name a few, are not really white.

Bulloney.  Iranians are firmly in the Indo-European group.  

What is the "Indo-European" group? Iranians don't look like Germans
or Swedes or Norwegians or even Italians. They are brown and look
like some kind of hybrid of Africans and Asians.
 
No_He_Can_Not...
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:02 pm
Guest
jaf wrote:
Quote:

"Iconoclast" <goldstein at (no spam) nym.hush.com> wrote in message
news:3f1f1d7f-937e-4de8-a482-37f06aafce8e at (no spam) q40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
This might go under the heading Truth and Accuracy in Census Taking --
Iconoclast

http://www.davidduke.com/general/the-term-white-now-inappropriate-on-the-2010-census_13143.html



Anything to do with David Duke is bullshit.

He obviously failed to learn from Sun Tzu.
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you
can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may
lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger
yourself."

Know your enemy!

The liberal addenda is not to exclude whites or categorize all the
other races.
That's a smoke screen.
Liberals think they are elitists.

Passing laws requiring Chinese kids to be educated in Chinese has
nothing to do with helping them learn.

It has everything to with getting them useless high school degree,
forcing them to work in a Chinese laundry or restaurant for the rest
of their lives.

It's slavery for the peons so the government can provide for them. It
make the elitists think they are somehow important.

They are snobs, elitist, asshole commie socialist liberal conveniently
selective memory loss losers.

John






damned good post
 
AnAmericanCitizen...
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:17 am
Guest
If white bothers them, then write in caucasian. First dumbing down America and now
erasing people of the same "classification" as the original founders of our country.
This is what happens when we allow radicals power....AAC


On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:05:58 -0800 (PST), Iconoclast <goldstein at (no spam) nym.hush.com> wrote:

Quote:
This might go under the heading Truth and Accuracy in Census Taking --
Iconoclast

http://www.davidduke.com/general/the-term-white-now-inappropriate-on-the-2010-census_13143.html

The Term “White” Now Inappropriate on the 2010 Census

By James Schneider

The 2010 United States census will be mailed to Americans in February
and March of next year. It will offer more choices than ever for
racial classifications. This comes at a time when nearly every leader
says that race does not matter. Some people even say that there is no
scientific basis for race. Yet many who claim to believe this also
support affirmative action and other forms of discrimination against
whites.

The Center for Perpetual Diversity found some problems with the census
and made recommendations to the Census Bureau for the 2020 census.
First we should look at the 1890 census which is interesting because
they already recognized the problem of how to count mixed race people.
According to the census in 1890 The United States and its territories
contained 6,337,980 Negroes, 956,989 Mulattoes, 105,135 Quadroons,
69,936 Octoroons, 107,475 Chinese, 2,039 Japanese and 58,805 Civilized
Indians. The 1890 census divided whites into 3 categories. Their
populations were as follows: 34,358,348 native whites, 11,583,075
native whites with foreign parents, and 9,121,807 foreign whites.

An Octoroon was defined as anyone with 1/8 negro ancestry or any trace
of negro ancestry. Later the Census Bureau simplified things by just
having one category for people with black ancestors. When they made
this change it gave Qaudroons and Octoroons a chance to classify
themselves as white. Furthermore, how many people know all eight of
their great-grand parents? I am sure that quite a few Octoroons don’t
even know that they are black. Even Quadroons are technically more
white than black, even though they look black and probably vote black.
A Quadroon would not really be telling a lie if he said he was white.

In 1890 Hispanics had to be counted as either white or Civilized
Indian. So why do we need a different category for them in 2010?
Hispanics can be of any race as they keep reminding us. When a crime
victim describes the assailant as looking Hispanic, a good defense
attorney will explain to the jury that there is no such thing as a
Hispanic look or a Hispanic race. Hispanics’ skin color ranges from
the darkest black to nearly the lightest white and there are Asian
Hispanics as well.

Question number 8 of the 2010 Census explains that ‘Hispanic origins
are not races.’ We are offered the following choices:

Not of Hispanic, Latino or Spanish origin

Mexican, Mexican Am., Chicano

Peurto Rican

Cuban

“another Hispanic, Latino or Spanish origin – print origin, for
example, Argentinian, Columbian, Dominican, Nicaraguan, Salvadorean,
Spaniard, and so on”

Question 9 is about race and says the respondant can mark one or more
boxes. It offers the following choices:

White

Black or African American or Negro

American Indian or Alaska Native, Print name of enrolled or principle
tribe.

Asian Indian

Chinese

Filipino

Japanese

Korean

Vietnamese

Native Hawaiian

Guamanian or Chamorro

Samoan

Other Asian

Other Pacific Islander

Just in case these choices are not enough you can also check ‘some
other race’ and print whatever you want.

For the purpose of the census, is the difference between Japanese and
Chinese or Korean really that important? They are not different races,
just like French and English are not different races..

Are Guamanians and Samoans different races? Why are they races and
Hispanics are not? Most Hispanics need to say that they are white if
they choose from the above list and don’t want to write an answer by
hand in those little squares. Hispanics could be divided into racial
groups and the entire category of Hispanic could be eliminated. People
with mostly Spanish or Portugese blood would be white or European and
darker Hispanics would be African or Negro and the others would be
South American Indians. They would not lose political power from such
a change.

I am sure that many of the people who check the ‘white’ box do so
because they don’t fit into the other categories and they don’t want
to take the time to put a check mark next to ‘some other race’ and
then scribble the name of some country which they are happy to forget.
Many of these ‘whites’ are not really white at all.

The term white really seems inappropriate now. Arabs, Georgians,
Afhanistanis, Iranians, Most Hispanics or Latinos, and Moroccans to
name a few, are not really white. Some of them can pass for white but
such diverse people should not simply be dumped in the same category
just to make things easy.

Perhaps there is another reason. The same people that are responsible
for bringing millions of third world immigrants into our country might
be telling the Census Bureau to make it look like America is more
white than it really is. High level officials must be concerned that
reporting a smaller population of whites will shock the financial
markets and cause a market crash and/or a devaluation of the dollar.
When the white population drops below a certain level, it could
trigger the ultimate white flight, as millions of whites move to
Europe as author, James Schneider wrote about in his novel, White
Flight? This is a valid concern, but The Center for Perpetual
Diversity believes we should correct the problem rather than mislead
ourselves into thinking that it is not that bad.

The Center recommends that the Census Bureau eliminate the white
category and replace it with: Europeans, Arabs, and West Asians.
Perhaps it would even be good to separate Europeans into Northern
Europeans, Southern Europeans, because these two groups are more
different than Chinese and Japanese. If the Census Bureau followed
this advice the white population of the US (people whose ancestors
came from Europe) would probably be less than 50%. This is a milestone
that many liberals look forward to. Why not give them this victory
sooner rather than in the year 2042 as projected? Then we will see if
they are satisfied with a white population under 50% or if they will
continue their racist policies until whites are virtually extinct.

To further complicate things we should consider the white Africans.
There are a number of white refugees from Africa living in the United
States. Most are from South Africa and Rhodesia but there are some
from other countries too. These people were born in Africa and may
even have white ancestors born in Africa hundreds of years ago. They
are not black or Negro but they are more African than the majority of
blacks in America. They could honestly say that they are African
Americans.

My dictionary defines Hispanic as, ‘of or relating to the people,
speech or culture of Spain, Spain and Portugal or Latin America.’ If a
European couple lives and works in Mexico for a few years and then
moves to the U.S., can they claim to be Hispanic? What about their
Mexican born child? If a person visits Mexico for a week or two and
likes the food and learns a few words of Spanish is that enough to be
Hispanic?

Many anthropologists agree that all humans alive today have a common
ancestor who lived near what is today Kenya about 150,000 years ago.
Therefore everyone could say that they are African or African
Americans. It is even more important to classify yourself as African
American when you are applying for a loan or a job. It may increase
your chances of success, but it also helps the company you are dealing
with. They will get extra points (whatever that is worth) for lending
to or hiring more Africans. If they look at you and say, ‘you’re not
African American.’ You can respond defiantly, ‘I have ancestors from
Africa. I hope you are not going to discriminate against me because my
skin is lighter than some of my African cousins.’

When we complete the 2010 census we must give more thought to our
responses, especially question 9. It would be more accurate to check
the ‘other’ box and write in ‘European’ or a specific country of
origin. Or, should we consider our ancestors from 150,000 years ago
and say that we are African American to protest against a country that
encourages discrimination against whites? If large numbers of people
who think of themsevles as white were to reclassify themselves as
African American it would focus more attention on our plight. If the
2010 census shows that whites are only 40% of the population maybe
some of our leaders would be alarmed enough to take action and stop
the insane levels of immigration into our country. Or is it more
important to get results which can be compared to previous census’ so
that we will all know how much worse our country has become?
 
Winston_Smith...
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:06 am
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Iconoclast <goldstein at (no spam) nym.hush.com> wrote:

Quote:
This might go under the heading Truth and Accuracy in Census Taking --
Iconoclast

http://www.davidduke.com/general/the-term-white-now-inappropriate-on-the-2010-census_13143.html

An Octoroon was defined as anyone with 1/8 negro ancestry or any trace
of negro ancestry. Later the Census Bureau simplified things by just
having one category for people with black ancestors. When they made
this change it gave Qaudroons and Octoroons a chance to classify
themselves as white. Furthermore, how many people know all eight of
their great-grand parents? I am sure that quite a few Octoroons don’t
even know that they are black.

In which case they probably would have answered in all honesty "white"
and neither they nor the census taker would have known any better.

I can just see the census of some future year when you have to give a
DNA sample with your questionnaire to establish your category. And
while that is going on some President will be speechifying about how
all men are created equal and America doesn't care where you come
from.

Quote:
Even Quadroons are technically more
white than black, even though they look black and probably vote black.

Again, voting at least, depends on what the person thinks they are.

Quote:
Not of Hispanic, Latino or Spanish origin

Bull. There are people that originated in Spain and around that area.
Then there are the "Latino/Spanish" Europeans that immigrated to the
Americas. They may have stayed pure they may have interbred with
Native Americans which ARE generally considered a different race.

On top of that there are German and other flavors of Europeans that
have exactly the same history in the Americas. What is a
German-Native American that lives in South America and speaks the
local version of Spanish? It sure isn't an "Hispanic".

Quote:
Question 9 is about race and says the respondant can mark one or more
boxes. It offers the following choices:

White

But the subject line of this post is:
"The Term "White" Now Inappropriate on the 2010 Census"

The post is bull.

Quote:
For the purpose of the census, is the difference between Japanese and
Chinese or Korean really that important? They are not different races,
just like French and English are not different races..

I wouldn't tell the French or the English that without somewhere to
duck.

Quote:
The term white really seems inappropriate now. Arabs, Georgians,
Afhanistanis, Iranians, Most Hispanics or Latinos, and Moroccans to
name a few, are not really white.

Bulloney. Iranians are firmly in the Indo-European group.
 
Gunner Asch...
Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:00 am
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On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:22:17 -0800 (PST), Iconoclast
<goldstein at (no spam) nym.hush.com> wrote:

Quote:
Either Sun Tzu isn't the
brilliant teacher he's made out to be in the popular culture or the
people who read his teachings failed to gain any wisdom or insight
from it.

They failed to learn from him.

Unfortunately.

Gunner

"IMHO, some people here give Jeff far more attention than he deserves,
but obviously craves. The most appropriate response, and perhaps the
cruelest, IMO, is to simply killfile and ignore him. An alternative, if
you must, would be to post the same standard reply to his every post,
listing the manifold reasons why he ought to be ignored. Just my $0.02
worth."
 
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On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:22:17 -0800 (PST), Iconoclast
<goldstein at (no spam) nym.hush.com> wrote:

Quote:
Either Sun Tzu isn't the
brilliant teacher he's made out to be in the popular
culture or the
people who read his teachings failed to gain any wisdom or
insight
from it.

They failed to learn from him.

Unfortunately.

Gunner

"IMHO, some people here give Jeff far more attention than he
deserves,
but obviously craves. The most appropriate response, and
perhaps the
cruelest, IMO, is to simply killfile and ignore him. An
alternative, if
you must, would be to post the same standard reply to his
every post,
listing the manifold reasons why he ought to be ignored.
Just my $0.02
worth."
 
Winston_Smith...
Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:45 pm
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Gunner Asch <gunner at (no spam) NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:

Quote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:22:17 -0800 (PST), Iconoclast
goldstein at (no spam) nym.hush.com> wrote:

Either Sun Tzu isn't the
brilliant teacher he's made out to be in the popular culture or the
people who read his teachings failed to gain any wisdom or insight
from it.

They failed to learn from him.

Unfortunately.

Gunner

Agreed. For one think he said don't fight needless or impossible to
win battles. But we keep on doing just that.
 
 
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