"Get lost" <rander3... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message

news:c1102079-0c26-4af1-9b7e-dcf966311f77 at (no spam) t2g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...> On Nov 2, 12:23 pm, The_Carpathia <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just
posted
a BILLION in profits, while the bailed out car companies ended in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.

Which path do you want the country to take...capitalist, refusing
govt
aid, leading to a profit...or govt run, leading to economic
collapse
and loss?

Kenneth W Clifton

Very good points.

.
.
What short memories you have!

GM went down because of private mismanagement that cost its
stockholders billions of dollars.
The government saved the remains of their incompetence.

Get check for dementia...you don't want to end up like Reagan

On Nov 2, 9:36 am, The_Carpathia <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:





On Nov 2, 12:31 pm, "PC" <P... at (no spam) minneapolis.mn.us> wrote:

"The_Carpathia" <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1d39938c-1b92-439a-99e1-1180c8c854da at (no spam) k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com....

So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just posted
a BILLION in profits,

Ino ther words: Ford did not need it.

 while the bailed out car companies ended in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.

In other words: the others needed it.

Convenient amnesia....that's what you have.  I recall Ford execs going
before Congress that were demanding they take the money, and the
refused the money in Congressional hearings.  I recall their dire
financial condition dropping their stock, just like the others.
However, I recall Ford taking out credit from banks, rather than the
government...banks that didn't, then, demand changes that would sink
their company.  However, anything that works against your side is just
forgotten...like the million broken promises of Obama.

Kenneth W Clifton

How conveniently you forget that Ford took out some loans for alot of
money a couple  years ago before the economy went so bad.  They didn't
invest as much in developing modern electric and hybrid cars as GM.

So while Ford may look better right now, It is GM that will have a
brighter future because they are building cars for the future.  Even
today GM is building more cars I like.- Hide quoted text -

On Nov 2, 10:08 am, Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
So, YOU are saying Congress OFFERED bailout money to a company that
didn't need it?
--
What I'm saying is that Ford, like the other American automakers, was
in trouble. They were offered bailout money. Because they were in a
better position than GM or Chrysler, they were able to go without it.

"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kand... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1796dd00-5e85-419f-8119-ceaf62aa8c56 at (no spam) c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...



On Nov 2, 12:44 pm, "Tom Sr." <tomswiftsen... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 12:23 pm, The_Carpathia <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just
posted
a BILLION in profits, while the bailed out car companies ended in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.
Which path do you want the country to take...capitalist, refusing
govt
aid, leading to a profit...or govt run, leading to economic
collapse
and loss?

BUY  FORD!  Help support equal rights for gay and transgendered
people!

-----http://www.hrc.org/13518.htm

* Number of Top Rated Businesses for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual,
and Transgender Workers Jumps Despite Tough Economy *
9/14/2009

WASHINGTON, D.C. –The number of businesses with perfect ratings
based
on  lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender workplace policies and
benefits rose by twenty percent in the past twelve months — despite
the serious economic downturn — according to a new report released
today by the Human Rights Campaign Foundation, the nation’s largest
lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender civil rights organization.
The
2010 edition of the Corporate Equality Index, which rates 590
businesses on a scale from 0 to 100 percent, reports 305 businesses
achieved top ratings, compared to 260 last year. To view the report
visit:www.HRC.org/CEI...

Ford Motor Company:
 * Fortune 500 Rank - 7
 * Corporate Equality Index - 100%
-----

More details about Ford Motor Company's GLBT Equality Policies can
be
read at::

http://www.hrc.org/issues/workplace/organization_profile.asp?organiza....

  -Tom Sr.

You mean it's possible to have politically correct Wall Street
company
management without government controls?

Kenneth W Clifton

.
.
.
Kenny forgot the incompetent GM management that cost its stockholders
billions....then to the government that saved the remnants of their
mismanaged company.

Kenny forgot the incompetent GM management that cost its stockholders

On Nov 2, 9:36 am, The_Carpathia <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:





On Nov 2, 12:31 pm, "PC" <P... at (no spam) minneapolis.mn.us> wrote:

"The_Carpathia" <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1d39938c-1b92-439a-99e1-1180c8c854da at (no spam) k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com....

So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just posted
a BILLION in profits,

Ino ther words: Ford did not need it.

 while the bailed out car companies ended in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.

In other words: the others needed it.

Convenient amnesia....that's what you have.  I recall Ford execs going
before Congress that were demanding they take the money, and the
refused the money in Congressional hearings.  I recall their dire
financial condition dropping their stock, just like the others.
However, I recall Ford taking out credit from banks, rather than the
government...banks that didn't, then, demand changes that would sink
their company.  However, anything that works against your side is just
forgotten...like the million broken promises of Obama.

Kenneth W Clifton

How conveniently you forget that Ford took out some loans for alot of
money a couple  years ago before the economy went so bad.  They didn't
invest as much in developing modern electric and hybrid cars as GM.
So while Ford may look better right now, It is GM that will have a
brighter future because they are building cars for the future.  Even
today GM is building more cars I like.

On Nov 2, 1:57 pm, Stile4aly <stile4... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

On Nov 2, 10:08 am, Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
So, YOU are saying Congress OFFERED bailout money to a company that
didn't need it?
--
What I'm saying is that Ford, like the other American automakers, was
in trouble.  They were offered bailout money.  Because they were in a
better position than GM or Chrysler, they were able to go without it.

Exactly correct, Stile.

It should also be noted that because Ford did not take the bail-out
money, they are also now about *21 billion dollars* in debt now. Chevy
and GM are not.

In addition, the vast majority of Ford workers just rejected a deal to
NOT strike in 2011. when there current contract ends.  Both Chevy and
GM are protect from such a strike by their workers, having gone
through bankruptcy.

Ford might be making money *now*, but given their huge debt and the
possibility of a workers' strike, they are hardly in any great
financially stable position for the near future.

 -Tom Sr.

On Nov 3, 8:19 am, "Tom Sr." <tomswiftsen... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 1:57 pm, Stile4aly <stile4... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

On Nov 2, 10:08 am, Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand... at (no spam) hotmail.com
wrote:
So, YOU are saying Congress OFFERED bailout money to a company
that
didn't need it?
--
What I'm saying is that Ford, like the other American automakers,
was
in trouble. They were offered bailout money. Because they were
in a
better position than GM or Chrysler, they were able to go without
it.

Exactly correct, Stile.

It should also be noted that because Ford did not take the bail-out
money, they are also now about *21 billion dollars* in debt now.
Chevy
and GM are not.

In addition, the vast majority of Ford workers just rejected a deal
to
NOT strike in 2011. when there current contract ends. Both Chevy
and
GM are protect from such a strike by their workers, having gone
through bankruptcy.

Ford might be making money *now*, but given their huge debt and the
possibility of a workers' strike, they are hardly in any great
financially stable position for the near future.

-Tom Sr.

That's because the fascist "fruit of the loon" president forced GM
and
Chrysler to fuck over millions of investors!

Are you fucking stupid or something? or do you just pretend to be?

Who you gonna steal money from today?
..

On Nov 2, 2:29 pm, "Sid9" <s... at (no spam) belsouth.net> wrote:
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kand... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in
messagenews:1796dd00-5e85-419f-8119-ceaf62aa8c56 at (no spam) c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...



On Nov 2, 12:44 pm, "Tom Sr." <tomswiftsen... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 12:23 pm, The_Carpathia <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just
posted
a BILLION in profits, while the bailed out car companies ended
in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.
Which path do you want the country to take...capitalist,
refusing
govt
aid, leading to a profit...or govt run, leading to economic
collapse
and loss?

BUY FORD! Help support equal rights for gay and transgendered
people!

-----http://www.hrc.org/13518.htm

* Number of Top Rated Businesses for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual,
and Transgender Workers Jumps Despite Tough Economy *
9/14/2009

WASHINGTON, D.C. –The number of businesses with perfect ratings
based
on lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender workplace policies
and
benefits rose by twenty percent in the past twelve months —
despite
the serious economic downturn — according to a new report
released
today by the Human Rights Campaign Foundation, the nation’s
largest
lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender civil rights
organization.
The
2010 edition of the Corporate Equality Index, which rates 590
businesses on a scale from 0 to 100 percent, reports 305
businesses
achieved top ratings, compared to 260 last year. To view the
report
visit:www.HRC.org/CEI...

Ford Motor Company:
* Fortune 500 Rank - 7
* Corporate Equality Index - 100%
-----

More details about Ford Motor Company's GLBT Equality Policies
can
be
read at::

http://www.hrc.org/issues/workplace/organization_profile.asp?organiza...

-Tom Sr.

You mean it's possible to have politically correct Wall Street
company
management without government controls?

Kenneth W Clifton

.
.
.
Kenny forgot the incompetent GM management that cost its
stockholders
billions....then to the government that saved the remnants of their
mismanaged company.

Sid, the obamarama ding dong road show of comedy and horrors forced
GM
to fuck over millions of Americans and proved that the "Fruit of the
Loon" president is a facist!

GM and Chrysler are permanent wards of the State. After fucking over
millions of investors, neither will be able to float commerical
paper
again. Hence the reason they have gone back to the Government for
MORE
money.

Kenny forgot the incompetent GM management that cost its
stockholders

So you are saying the "messiah" is fucked up with his management of
GM? since they are still losing $billions?

Sid, who you gonna steal money from today?
..

"President Soetoro" <osama.obabma.by.anyn... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in
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On Nov 2, 2:29 pm, "Sid9" <s... at (no spam) belsouth.net> wrote:
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kand... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in
messagenews:1796dd00-5e85-419f-8119-ceaf62aa8c56 at (no spam) c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...

On Nov 2, 12:44 pm, "Tom Sr." <tomswiftsen... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 12:23 pm, The_Carpathia <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just
posted
a BILLION in profits, while the bailed out car companies ended
in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.
Which path do you want the country to take...capitalist,
refusing
govt
aid, leading to a profit...or govt run, leading to economic
collapse
and loss?

BUY  FORD!  Help support equal rights for gay and transgendered
people!

-----http://www.hrc.org/13518.htm

* Number of Top Rated Businesses for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual,
and Transgender Workers Jumps Despite Tough Economy *
9/14/2009

WASHINGTON, D.C. –The number of businesses with perfect ratings
based
on  lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender workplace policies
and
benefits rose by twenty percent in the past twelve months —
despite
the serious economic downturn — according to a new report
released
today by the Human Rights Campaign Foundation, the nation’s
largest
lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender civil rights
organization.
The
2010 edition of the Corporate Equality Index, which rates 590
businesses on a scale from 0 to 100 percent, reports 305
businesses
achieved top ratings, compared to 260 last year. To view the
report
visit:www.HRC.org/CEI...

Ford Motor Company:
 * Fortune 500 Rank - 7
 * Corporate Equality Index - 100%
-----

More details about Ford Motor Company's GLBT Equality Policies
can
be
read at::

http://www.hrc.org/issues/workplace/organization_profile.asp?organiza...

  -Tom Sr.

You mean it's possible to have politically correct Wall Street
company
management without government controls?

Kenneth W Clifton

.
.
.
Kenny forgot the incompetent GM management that cost its
stockholders
billions....then to the government that saved the remnants of their
mismanaged company.

Sid, the obamarama ding dong road show of comedy and horrors forced
GM
to fuck over millions of Americans and proved that the "Fruit of the
Loon" president is a facist!

GM and Chrysler are permanent wards of the State. After fucking over
millions of investors, neither will be able to float commerical
paper
again. Hence the reason they have gone back to the Government for
MORE
money.

Kenny forgot the incompetent GM management that cost its
stockholders

So you are saying the "messiah" is fucked up with his management of
GM? since they are still losing $billions?

Sid, who you gonna steal money from today?

.
.
GM's managers were incompetent.
They mismanaged these companies for years.
The government had little to do with their actions.
Toyota ate them up and they did nothing except produce shit cars.

"President Soetoro" <osama.obabma.by.anyname at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in
message
news:3891aacd-2a22-4af8-91ff-3b4bd18c94a1 at (no spam) v36g2000yqv.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 2, 2:29 pm, "Sid9" <s... at (no spam) belsouth.net> wrote:
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kand... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in
messagenews:1796dd00-5e85-419f-8119-ceaf62aa8c56 at (no spam) c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...



On Nov 2, 12:44 pm, "Tom Sr." <tomswiftsen... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 12:23 pm, The_Carpathia <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just
posted
a BILLION in profits, while the bailed out car companies ended
in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.
Which path do you want the country to take...capitalist,
refusing
govt
aid, leading to a profit...or govt run, leading to economic
collapse
and loss?
BUY FORD! Help support equal rights for gay and transgendered
people!
-----http://www.hrc.org/13518.htm
* Number of Top Rated Businesses for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual,
and Transgender Workers Jumps Despite Tough Economy *
9/14/2009
WASHINGTON, D.C. –The number of businesses with perfect ratings
based
on lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender workplace policies
and
benefits rose by twenty percent in the past twelve months —
despite
the serious economic downturn — according to a new report
released
today by the Human Rights Campaign Foundation, the nation’s
largest
lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender civil rights
organization.
The
2010 edition of the Corporate Equality Index, which rates 590
businesses on a scale from 0 to 100 percent, reports 305
businesses
achieved top ratings, compared to 260 last year. To view the
report
visit:www.HRC.org/CEI...
Ford Motor Company:
* Fortune 500 Rank - 7
* Corporate Equality Index - 100%
-----
More details about Ford Motor Company's GLBT Equality Policies
can
be
read at::
http://www.hrc.org/issues/workplace/organization_profile.asp?organiza...
-Tom Sr.
You mean it's possible to have politically correct Wall Street
company
management without government controls?
Kenneth W Clifton
.
.
.
Kenny forgot the incompetent GM management that cost its
stockholders
billions....then to the government that saved the remnants of their
mismanaged company.
Sid, the obamarama ding dong road show of comedy and horrors forced
GM
to fuck over millions of Americans and proved that the "Fruit of the
Loon" president is a facist!

GM and Chrysler are permanent wards of the State. After fucking over
millions of investors, neither will be able to float commerical
paper
again. Hence the reason they have gone back to the Government for
MORE
money.

Kenny forgot the incompetent GM management that cost its
stockholders
So you are saying the "messiah" is fucked up with his management of
GM? since they are still losing $billions?

Sid, who you gonna steal money from today?
.
.
GM's managers were incompetent.

They mismanaged these companies for years.
The government had little to do with their actions.

Toyota ate them up and they did nothing except produce shit cars.

So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just posted
a BILLION in profits, while the bailed out car companies ended in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.

Which path do you want the country to take...capitalist, refusing govt
aid, leading to a profit...or govt run, leading to economic collapse
and loss?

Kenneth W Clifton

MACK DADDY wrote:
On Nov 2, 9:36 am, The_Carpathia <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 12:31 pm, "PC" <P... at (no spam) minneapolis.mn.us> wrote:

"The_Carpathia" <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1d39938c-1b92-439a-99e1-1180c8c854da at (no spam) k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com....
So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just posted
a BILLION in profits,
Ino ther words: Ford did not need it.
 while the bailed out car companies ended in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.
In other words: the others needed it.
Convenient amnesia....that's what you have.  I recall Ford execs going
before Congress that were demanding they take the money, and the
refused the money in Congressional hearings.  I recall their dire
financial condition dropping their stock, just like the others.
However, I recall Ford taking out credit from banks, rather than the
government...banks that didn't, then, demand changes that would sink
their company.  However, anything that works against your side is just
forgotten...like the million broken promises of Obama.

Kenneth W Clifton

How conveniently you forget that Ford took out some loans for alot of
money a couple  years ago before the economy went so bad.  They didn't
invest as much in developing modern electric and hybrid cars as GM.
So while Ford may look better right now, It is GM that will have a
brighter future because they are building cars for the future.

Assuming (1) that electrics and hybrids really *are* the cars of the
future, and (2) GM does something that they haven't done for decades,
which is to manufacture electrics and hybrids vehicles which are broadly
more attractive to buy than Honda, Toyota, and the broad set of
competitors, not just Ford. (Honda's electric will be half the price of
the Volt.)

GM's a dead man walking until they actually come to market with a hit.
There's none on the horizon.

JG

   Even



today GM is building more cars I like.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Nov 2, 9:38 pm, MACK DADDY <pepsivani... at (no spam) msn.com> wrote:





On Nov 2, 9:36 am, The_Carpathia <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

On Nov 2, 12:31 pm, "PC" <P... at (no spam) minneapolis.mn.us> wrote:

"The_Carpathia" <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1d39938c-1b92-439a-99e1-1180c8c854da at (no spam) k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...

So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just posted
a BILLION in profits,

Ino ther words: Ford did not need it.

 while the bailed out car companies ended in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.

In other words: the others needed it.

Convenient amnesia....that's what you have.  I recall Ford execs going
before Congress that were demanding they take the money, and the
refused the money in Congressional hearings.  I recall their dire
financial condition dropping their stock, just like the others.
However, I recall Ford taking out credit from banks, rather than the
government...banks that didn't, then, demand changes that would sink
their company.  However, anything that works against your side is just
forgotten...like the million broken promises of Obama.

Kenneth W Clifton

How conveniently you forget that Ford took out some loans for alot of
money a couple  years ago before the economy went so bad.  They didn't
invest as much in developing modern electric and hybrid cars as GM.
So while Ford may look better right now, It is GM that will have a
brighter future because they are building cars for the future.  Even
today GM is building more cars I like.

And...what changes the fact that FORD is producing a profit without
government aid and GM is producing a loss with it, after BOTH were
offered bailout money for their dire conditions?  Come
on...Daddy...don't lose your objectivity, now.

Kenneth W Clifton- Hide quoted text -

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On Nov 2, 1:24 pm, "PC" <P... at (no spam) minneapolis.mn.us> wrote:





"Straightarrow" <hoofhearte... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message

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On Nov 2, 11:31 am, "PC" <P... at (no spam) minneapolis.mn.us> wrote:

"The_Carpathia" <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1d39938c-1b92-439a-99e1-1180c8c854da at (no spam) k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com....

So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just posted
a BILLION in profits,

Ino ther words: Ford did not need it.

while the bailed out car companies ended in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.

In other words: the others needed it.

Why didn't Obama just let em' fail??

He was not POTUS when the automaker bailouts began.

HE WAS POTUS WHEN HE TOOK OVER GM AND FIRED THE CEO !! HE WAS POTUS
WHEN CHRYSLER WENT BANKRUPT AFTER SQUANDERING BILLIONS OF TAXPAYER
DOLLARS !! I KNOW. BUTWHADDABOUTBUSH !!??- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Nov 2, 2:29 pm, "Sid9" <s... at (no spam) belsouth.net> wrote:





"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kand... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1796dd00-5e85-419f-8119-ceaf62aa8c56 at (no spam) c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...

On Nov 2, 12:44 pm, "Tom Sr." <tomswiftsen... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 12:23 pm, The_Carpathia <writing... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

So, Ford, which refused to take government bailout money, just
posted
a BILLION in profits, while the bailed out car companies ended in
bankruptcy and are STILL suffering.
Which path do you want the country to take...capitalist, refusing
govt
aid, leading to a profit...or govt run, leading to economic
collapse
and loss?

BUY  FORD!  Help support equal rights for gay and transgendered
people!

-----http://www.hrc.org/13518.htm

* Number of Top Rated Businesses for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual,
and Transgender Workers Jumps Despite Tough Economy *
9/14/2009

WASHINGTON, D.C. –The number of businesses with perfect ratings
based
on  lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender workplace policies and
benefits rose by twenty percent in the past twelve months — despite
the serious economic downturn — according to a new report released
today by the Human Rights Campaign Foundation, the nation’s largest
lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender civil rights organization.
The
2010 edition of the Corporate Equality Index, which rates 590
businesses on a scale from 0 to 100 percent, reports 305 businesses
achieved top ratings, compared to 260 last year. To view the report
visit:www.HRC.org/CEI...

Ford Motor Company:
 * Fortune 500 Rank - 7
 * Corporate Equality Index - 100%
-----

More details about Ford Motor Company's GLBT Equality Policies can
be
read at::

http://www.hrc.org/issues/workplace/organization_profile.asp?organiza....

  -Tom Sr.

You mean it's possible to have politically correct Wall Street
company
management without government controls?

Kenneth W Clifton

.
.
.
Kenny forgot the incompetent GM management that cost its stockholders
billions....then to the government that saved the remnants of their
mismanaged company.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

AND OBAMA FIRED THE CEO,TOOK OVER THE BUSINESS,POURED BILLIONS INTO IT
AND IT STILL FAILED. SO WHAT THE FUCK WAS ACCOMPLISHED BESIDES THE
LABOR UNIONS POCKETING A FEW HUNDRED MILLION??- Hide quoted text -

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