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| Dan... |
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Cliff wrote:
Quote: On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:11:25 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
rdsandman(spamlock) at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
A well-designed system won't disrupt anyone. The current proposal
falls short, mostly because the insurance industry has gutted some of
the big things that could save serious money.
You are very quick to show that stuff like tort reform is a small
percentage.....how about the report in Fortune 500 that shows that the
profit margin in healthcare insurance is about 2.2%? Do you have figures
that show different?
If it gets high just give more bonus money ...
2.2% OF WHAT???
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| Dan... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:59 pm |
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Cliff wrote:
Quote: On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:11:25 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
rdsandman(spamlock) at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
states as soon as people start to use it).
Yep. Why should a health plan stop at a state line?
Actually, few do.
Get sick somepace out of state & still get treated.
But the states regulate their own carriers.
State's rights, right?
Expect LOTS of troubles when the insurance companies can sidestep state
regulations.
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| Dan... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:02 pm |
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Cliff wrote:
Quote: On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:24:23 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunner at (no spam) NOSPAMlightspeed.net
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Odd...the Democrats control all three branches of the government dont
they?
And have for at least 3 yrs.
Gee, more lies from gummer !!
For some small subset of the definition of "control."
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| Jerry Okamura... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:45 pm |
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"pbj" <postittothenewsgroup at (no spam) nospam.com> wrote in message
news:4_KdnZ1ca-KYYGzXnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d at (no spam) supernews.com...
Quote: On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 08:07:25 -1000, Jerry Okamura wrote:
"Bret Cahill" <BretCahill at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H3gND4M9HA
Repugs have a plan:
Cut taxes on the rich, starve gummint and utopia will break out.
That's the same plan they use to try to solve every problem.
Perhaps not utopia, but we would have a whole lot more freedom.
Yeah, Somalia has almost no government to interfere in their lives and
look how free they are!
Well, yes they are free. A whole lot more free than we are in this country.
Some just choose to misuse their freedom. That is the price of freedom.
When you allow people to be free, you are betting the "people" will act
responsibly with their freedom and not misue their freedom. But there is a
difference between Somalia and this country. Our founding fathers gave us
our freedoms. They obviously believed that we would act responsibly with
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| RD (The Sandman)... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:17 pm |
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Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
news:92j5f5lkq0ckna2tq7hmgr5md8pq78uan8 at (no spam) 4ax.com:
Quote: On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:11:25 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
rdsandman(spamlock) at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
Medicare is just socialized insurance for older people.
Pretty much although true socialized medicine in this country is only
the VA and military hospitals. In the other areas it is actually a
hybrid since the actual hands on is done by the private sector.
That's true in many nations with universal coverage.
There are all sorts of systems. All far cheaper with better
results (except for CEO & lobbiest bonuses).
Prove it. Tax rates in many of those countries is far higher than in the
US.
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Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
Let's see if I have this healthcare thingy right. Congress is to pass
a plan written by a committee whose head has said he doesn't understand
it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who
hasn't read it, with funding administered by a Treasury chief who didn't
pay his taxes because he didn't understand TurboTax, overseen by an obese
Surgeon General and financed by a country that's nearly broke.
What could possibly go wrong? |
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| RD (The Sandman)... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:18 pm |
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Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
news:r5j5f59ab0hp0nfps01rpt5589ojkti425 at (no spam) 4ax.com:
Quote: On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:11:25 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
rdsandman(spamlock) at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
Why should you
get it, while some young adult doesn't?
Costs at this time. If they wished to discontinue Medicare/Medicaid,
they can go ahead and do it. I will survive with private insurance,
but
since it is there.......
Your "private insurance" will cost you 20X as much ... age risk ...
Not really. I was on private insurance not long ago.
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Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
Let's see if I have this healthcare thingy right. Congress is to pass
a plan written by a committee whose head has said he doesn't understand
it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who
hasn't read it, with funding administered by a Treasury chief who didn't
pay his taxes because he didn't understand TurboTax, overseen by an obese
Surgeon General and financed by a country that's nearly broke.
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| RD (The Sandman)... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:18 pm |
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Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
news:r7j5f5pc4e24gd8cqs7h2b86p9kikak6ep at (no spam) 4ax.com:
Quote: On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:11:25 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
rdsandman(spamlock) at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
I am only expressing a
concern about costs of doing socialized medicine with the economy as it
is.
You don't want to save any money, eh?
Or put more medical staff to work.
Not if my grandkids have to pay for it in addition to what they are being
taxed on.
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Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
Let's see if I have this healthcare thingy right. Congress is to pass
a plan written by a committee whose head has said he doesn't understand
it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who
hasn't read it, with funding administered by a Treasury chief who didn't
pay his taxes because he didn't understand TurboTax, overseen by an obese
Surgeon General and financed by a country that's nearly broke.
What could possibly go wrong? |
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| RD (The Sandman)... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:20 pm |
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Dan <dnadan56 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in news:dgEIm.861$W77.404 at (no spam) newsfe11.iad:
Quote: Cliff wrote:
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:11:25 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
rdsandman(spamlock) at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
I am only expressing a
concern about costs of doing socialized medicine with the economy as
it is.
You don't want to save any money, eh?
Or put more medical staff to work.
And yet, using the REPUBLICAN'S estimates, the current plans only cost
over ten years (ignoring any savings) about 8 months of the military
budget for one year...
And that military budget DOES NOT include the costs of prosecuting the
current wars-du-jour.
THe entire package, as written, could be paid for by cutting the
defense budget to what the Pentagon actually requests, pre-pork.
Dan, Medicare/Medicaid, Social Security and just the interest on the debt
is 62% of the budget. That does not agree with your statement. The cost
of the wars, AFAIK, is an off budget item.
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Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
Let's see if I have this healthcare thingy right. Congress is to pass
a plan written by a committee whose head has said he doesn't understand
it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who
hasn't read it, with funding administered by a Treasury chief who didn't
pay his taxes because he didn't understand TurboTax, overseen by an obese
Surgeon General and financed by a country that's nearly broke.
What could possibly go wrong? |
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| RD (The Sandman)... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:21 pm |
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Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
news:bcj5f59g3dj3ik1vndnht3ep26doph7jbs at (no spam) 4ax.com:
Quote: On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:11:25 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
rdsandman(spamlock) at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
A well-designed system won't disrupt anyone. The current proposal
falls short, mostly because the insurance industry has gutted some
of the big things that could save serious money.
You are very quick to show that stuff like tort reform is a small
percentage.....how about the report in Fortune 500 that shows that the
profit margin in healthcare insurance is about 2.2%? Do you have
figures that show different?
If it gets high just give more bonus money ...
Noted.....no figures that show different.
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Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
Let's see if I have this healthcare thingy right. Congress is to pass
a plan written by a committee whose head has said he doesn't understand
it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who
hasn't read it, with funding administered by a Treasury chief who didn't
pay his taxes because he didn't understand TurboTax, overseen by an obese
Surgeon General and financed by a country that's nearly broke.
What could possibly go wrong? |
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| RD (The Sandman)... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:21 pm |
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Dan <dnadan56 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in news:YgEIm.862$W77.747 at (no spam) newsfe11.iad:
Quote: Cliff wrote:
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:11:25 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
rdsandman(spamlock) at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
A well-designed system won't disrupt anyone. The current proposal
falls short, mostly because the insurance industry has gutted some
of the big things that could save serious money.
You are very quick to show that stuff like tort reform is a small
percentage.....how about the report in Fortune 500 that shows that
the profit margin in healthcare insurance is about 2.2%? Do you
have figures that show different?
If it gets high just give more bonus money ...
2.2% OF WHAT???
Do you know what a profit margin is?
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Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
Let's see if I have this healthcare thingy right. Congress is to pass
a plan written by a committee whose head has said he doesn't understand
it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who
hasn't read it, with funding administered by a Treasury chief who didn't
pay his taxes because he didn't understand TurboTax, overseen by an obese
Surgeon General and financed by a country that's nearly broke.
What could possibly go wrong? |
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| RD (The Sandman)... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:23 pm |
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Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
news:kej5f59p69l7519cng6s30euq202i8sbrp at (no spam) 4ax.com:
Quote: On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:11:25 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
rdsandman(spamlock) at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
states as soon as people start to use it).
Yep. Why should a health plan stop at a state line?
Actually, few do.
Get sick somepace out of state & still get treated.
At a different cost.
Quote: But the states regulate their own carriers.
But not Medicare or the VA or the military. For example one state may
have 10 or 15 choices for healthcare, the state next to it may have only
one.
Quote: State's rights, right?
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Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
Let's see if I have this healthcare thingy right. Congress is to pass
a plan written by a committee whose head has said he doesn't understand
it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who
hasn't read it, with funding administered by a Treasury chief who didn't
pay his taxes because he didn't understand TurboTax, overseen by an obese
Surgeon General and financed by a country that's nearly broke.
What could possibly go wrong? |
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| RD (The Sandman)... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:23 pm |
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Dan <dnadan56 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in news:IhEIm.863$W77.118 at (no spam) newsfe11.iad:
Quote: Cliff wrote:
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:11:25 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
rdsandman(spamlock) at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
states as soon as people start to use it).
Yep. Why should a health plan stop at a state line?
Actually, few do.
Get sick somepace out of state & still get treated.
But the states regulate their own carriers.
State's rights, right?
Expect LOTS of troubles when the insurance companies can sidestep state
regulations.
Not if they are overridden by federal regs.
--
Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
Let's see if I have this healthcare thingy right. Congress is to pass
a plan written by a committee whose head has said he doesn't understand
it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who
hasn't read it, with funding administered by a Treasury chief who didn't
pay his taxes because he didn't understand TurboTax, overseen by an obese
Surgeon General and financed by a country that's nearly broke.
What could possibly go wrong? |
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| RD (The Sandman)... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:26 pm |
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Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudgeon at (no spam) live.com> wrote in news:hcqs7n$1mr$10
at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org:
Quote: On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:06:33 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
rdsandman(spamlock) at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
Over 84% of the folks out there are happy with the health insurance
coverage they already have.
How can that be when more than 16% have no health insurance?
That number is of people with health insurance, 84% are happy with what
they have. Now, do you have a handle on it?
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Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
Let's see if I have this healthcare thingy right. Congress is to pass
a plan written by a committee whose head has said he doesn't understand
it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who
hasn't read it, with funding administered by a Treasury chief who didn't
pay his taxes because he didn't understand TurboTax, overseen by an obese
Surgeon General and financed by a country that's nearly broke.
What could possibly go wrong? |
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| RD (The Sandman)... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:27 pm |
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Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
news:sjh5f5191sid2oo6926ij1btg6oao0egso at (no spam) 4ax.com:
Quote: On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:06:33 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
rdsandman(spamlock) at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
The rest is bullshit. If someone doesn't wish to cover themselves, for
whatever reason, they are young and invulnerable, for example, why fine
them? It is their choice.
So why are we paying for gummer?
Go ask Gummer.
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Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
Let's see if I have this healthcare thingy right. Congress is to pass
a plan written by a committee whose head has said he doesn't understand
it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who
hasn't read it, with funding administered by a Treasury chief who didn't
pay his taxes because he didn't understand TurboTax, overseen by an obese
Surgeon General and financed by a country that's nearly broke.
What could possibly go wrong? |
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| RD (The Sandman)... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:28 pm |
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Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
news:8ri5f5l4p9fkp208ibsfo3bnl28uprnjoc at (no spam) 4ax.com:
Quote: On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:56:40 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
rdsandman(spamlock) at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
and if Gunner had been going for
regular stress tests and had a doctor telling him how it really is,
there's a statistically much better chance that we wouldn't have
wound up paying $275,000 for his emergency care. Now that he's had a
heart attack, the chances are higher that we'll wind up paying it
again.
Probably, but a lot of folks like Gunner would not have had healthcare
or insurance in the first place. That would be their choice.
Tax gummer & be sure he pays.
Why should I pay for him?
You are a Democrat.
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Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
Let's see if I have this healthcare thingy right. Congress is to pass
a plan written by a committee whose head has said he doesn't understand
it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who
hasn't read it, with funding administered by a Treasury chief who didn't
pay his taxes because he didn't understand TurboTax, overseen by an obese
Surgeon General and financed by a country that's nearly broke.
What could possibly go wrong? |
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