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On Oct 30, 9:45 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:35:59 -0400, Domingo the Avenger

baying46... at (no spam) mypacks.net> wrote:

Aecom Charged Army $19 for 12-Cent Washers in Iraq, Audit Says

Somebody had to pay to fly the washers to Iraq.

Surely there are washers for sale in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia or Egypt.
Surely we didn't need to fly washers from stateside.

Actually, the US military standard for washers applies, not kuwait
standard.

Everything the US military uses has a mil standard number.

The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
.
.
Our military budget: The greatest boondoggle ever!

-
And it is run by the gummint....the same gummint that will be running the
new improved, all singing, all dancing, screw the costs, healthcare
system.

.
.
Our government does a lot good and efficiently, better than private
industry.
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On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:26:03 -0700 (PDT), Stile4aly
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On Oct 30, 9:45 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:35:59 -0400, Domingo the Avenger

baying46... at (no spam) mypacks.net> wrote:

Aecom Charged Army $19 for 12-Cent Washers in Iraq, Audit
Says

Somebody had to pay to fly the washers to Iraq.

Surely there are washers for sale in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia or
Egypt.
Surely we didn't need to fly washers from stateside.

Actually, the US military standard for washers applies, not
kuwait standard.

Everything the US military uses has a mil standard number.

The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
.
.
Our military budget: The greatest boondoggle ever!

-
And it is run by the gummint....the same gummint that will be
running the new improved, all singing, all dancing, screw the
costs, healthcare system.

.
.
Our government does a lot good and efficiently, better than private
industry.
-
I hate to ask for cites...but name an efficient program run by the
government. (Hint: you lose if you say the military, social
security, medicare, the post office, the Federal Reserve, etc.)

Ahhhh...you just showed a total lack of understanding of government
procurement. The government requires $100 of documentation for every
dollar
spent, and will then spend $1000 per dollar spent to assure that the
government isn't getting screwed.

THAT is why government healtcare can never be effective.

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On Oct 30, 9:45 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:35:59 -0400, Domingo the Avenger

baying46... at (no spam) mypacks.net> wrote:

Aecom Charged Army $19 for 12-Cent Washers in Iraq, Audit Says

Somebody had to pay to fly the washers to Iraq.

Surely there are washers for sale in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia or Egypt..
Surely we didn't need to fly washers from stateside.

Actually, the US military standard for washers applies, not kuwait
standard.

Everything the US military uses has a mil standard number.

The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
.
.
Our military budget: The greatest boondoggle ever!

-
And it is run by the gummint....the same gummint that will be running the
new improved, all singing, all dancing, screw the costs, healthcare
system.

.
.
Our government does a lot good and efficiently, better than private
industry.

-
I hate to ask for cites...but name an efficient program run by the
government.  (Hint: you lose if you say the military, social security,
medicare, the post office, the Federal Reserve, etc.)

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On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:26:03 -0700 (PDT), Stile4aly
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On Oct 30, 9:45 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:35:59 -0400, Domingo the Avenger

baying46... at (no spam) mypacks.net> wrote:

Aecom Charged Army $19 for 12-Cent Washers in Iraq, Audit Says

Somebody had to pay to fly the washers to Iraq.

Surely there are washers for sale in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia or Egypt.
Surely we didn't need to fly washers from stateside.

Actually, the US military standard for washers applies, not kuwait
standard.

Everything the US military uses has a mil standard number.

The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
.
.
Our military budget: The greatest boondoggle ever!

-
And it is run by the gummint....the same gummint that will be running
the new improved, all singing, all dancing, screw the costs, healthcare
system.

.
.
Our government does a lot good and efficiently, better than private
industry.
-
I hate to ask for cites...but name an efficient program run by the
government. (Hint: you lose if you say the military, social security,
medicare, the post office, the Federal Reserve, etc.)


AIG, Lehman Bros., GM, Chrysler...really efficient operations!
No..for different reasons. However, the government bailout rewarded them

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On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:26:03 -0700 (PDT), Stile4aly
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On Oct 30, 9:45 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:35:59 -0400, Domingo the Avenger

baying46... at (no spam) mypacks.net> wrote:

Aecom Charged Army $19 for 12-Cent Washers in Iraq, Audit
Says

Somebody had to pay to fly the washers to Iraq.

Surely there are washers for sale in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia or
Egypt.
Surely we didn't need to fly washers from stateside.

Actually, the US military standard for washers applies, not
kuwait
standard.

Everything the US military uses has a mil standard number.

The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
.
.
Our military budget: The greatest boondoggle ever!

-
And it is run by the gummint....the same gummint that will be
running the
new improved, all singing, all dancing, screw the costs,
healthcare
system.

.
.
Our government does a lot good and efficiently, better than
private
industry.

-
I hate to ask for cites...but name an efficient program run by the
government. (Hint: you lose if you say the military, social
security,
medicare, the post office, the Federal Reserve, etc.)

Interesting that you immediately disqualify those governmental
programs that a generally considered to be quite efficient.

But, I'll give you a few:

The Centers for Disease Control
The Food and Drug Administration
The USDA
The Bureau of Indian Affairs.

Now, none of these programs are perfect, and I'm sure you'll post
back
with complaints about one aspect or another, but overall these
programs are efficently run and get a lot of good work done.
..

On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:35:59 -0400, Domingo the Avenger
baying46584 at (no spam) mypacks.net> wrote:


Aecom Charged Army $19 for 12-Cent Washers in Iraq, Audit Says


Somebody had to pay to fly the washers to Iraq.


The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

I am going to Lowes. Going to buy me a case of 5/16 nuts. They should be

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:14:03 -0600, RichTravsky <traRvEsky at (no spam) hotmMOVEail.com
wrote:
duke wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:26:03 -0700 (PDT), Stile4aly <stile4aly at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 9:45 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:35:59 -0400, Domingo the Avenger
baying46... at (no spam) mypacks.net> wrote:

Aecom Charged Army $19 for 12-Cent Washers in Iraq, Audit Says

Somebody had to pay to fly the washers to Iraq.

Surely there are washers for sale in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia or Egypt.
Surely we didn't need to fly washers from stateside.

Actually, the US military standard for washers applies, not kuwait standard.

Everything the US military uses has a mil standard number.

Tell us the mil spec for a washer and compare with a "civilian" one -

Easy - standards.

duke wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:14:03 -0600, RichTravsky
traRvEsky at (no spam) hotmMOVEail.com
wrote:
duke wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:26:03 -0700 (PDT), Stile4aly
stile4aly at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 9:45 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:35:59 -0400, Domingo the Avenger
baying46... at (no spam) mypacks.net> wrote:

Aecom Charged Army $19 for 12-Cent Washers in Iraq, Audit Says

Somebody had to pay to fly the washers to Iraq.

Surely there are washers for sale in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia or Egypt.
Surely we didn't need to fly washers from stateside.

Actually, the US military standard for washers applies, not kuwait
standard.

Everything the US military uses has a mil standard number.

Tell us the mil spec for a washer and compare with a "civilian" one -

Easy - standards.

Which standards? Name them.

Tell us the mil spec for a washer and compare with a "civilian" one -

No dodging this time.

RT-
Cute. If you knew anything about mil standards, you would know that there

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duke wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:14:03 -0600, RichTravsky
traRvEsky at (no spam) hotmMOVEail.com
wrote:
duke wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:26:03 -0700 (PDT), Stile4aly
stile4aly at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 9:45 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:35:59 -0400, Domingo the Avenger
baying46... at (no spam) mypacks.net> wrote:

Aecom Charged Army $19 for 12-Cent Washers in Iraq, Audit
Says

Somebody had to pay to fly the washers to Iraq.

Surely there are washers for sale in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia or
Egypt.
Surely we didn't need to fly washers from stateside.

Actually, the US military standard for washers applies, not
kuwait standard.

Everything the US military uses has a mil standard number.

Tell us the mil spec for a washer and compare with a "civilian"
one -

Easy - standards.

Which standards? Name them.

Tell us the mil spec for a washer and compare with a "civilian"
one -

No dodging this time.

RT-
Cute. If you knew anything about mil standards, you would know that
there are standards for every item. Since the article did not
divulge the washer part number, it is pretty difficult to produce
the mil-spec for that part number. With that little twist, you will
claim victory.

The fact is that the government system includes documentation and
most likely there will be meetings with the vendor to go over the
documentation and manufacturing process. All that doesn't come for
free.

As applied to healthcare......there is no way that the government
will be able to avoid the same excessively costly processes.

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duke wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:14:03 -0600, RichTravsky
traRvEsky at (no spam) hotmMOVEail.com
wrote:
duke wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:26:03 -0700 (PDT), Stile4aly
stile4aly at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 9:45 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:35:59 -0400, Domingo the Avenger
baying46... at (no spam) mypacks.net> wrote:

Aecom Charged Army $19 for 12-Cent Washers in Iraq, Audit Says

Somebody had to pay to fly the washers to Iraq.

Surely there are washers for sale in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia or
Egypt.
Surely we didn't need to fly washers from stateside.

Actually, the US military standard for washers applies, not kuwait
standard.

Everything the US military uses has a mil standard number.

Tell us the mil spec for a washer and compare with a "civilian" one -

Easy - standards.

Which standards? Name them.

Tell us the mil spec for a washer and compare with a "civilian" one -

No dodging this time.

RT-
Cute. If you knew anything about mil standards, you would know that
there are standards for every item. Since the article did not divulge
the washer part number, it is pretty difficult to produce the mil-spec
for that part number. With that little twist, you will claim victory.

The fact is that the government system includes documentation and most
likely there will be meetings with the vendor to go over the
documentation and manufacturing process. All that doesn't come for free.

As applied to healthcare......there is no way that the government will be
able to avoid the same excessively costly processes.




Wrong.

It's done today in Medicare with MUCH less paper work than private
insurers use

Nope. The Medicare paperwork burden on the private insurers, clinics,

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duke wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:14:03 -0600, RichTravsky
traRvEsky at (no spam) hotmMOVEail.com
wrote:
duke wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:26:03 -0700 (PDT), Stile4aly
stile4aly at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 9:45 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:35:59 -0400, Domingo the Avenger
baying46... at (no spam) mypacks.net> wrote:

Aecom Charged Army $19 for 12-Cent Washers in Iraq, Audit
Says

Somebody had to pay to fly the washers to Iraq.

Surely there are washers for sale in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia
or Egypt.
Surely we didn't need to fly washers from stateside.

Actually, the US military standard for washers applies, not
kuwait standard.

Everything the US military uses has a mil standard number.

Tell us the mil spec for a washer and compare with a "civilian"
one -

Easy - standards.

Which standards? Name them.

Tell us the mil spec for a washer and compare with a "civilian"
one -

No dodging this time.

RT-
Cute. If you knew anything about mil standards, you would know
that there are standards for every item. Since the article did
not divulge the washer part number, it is pretty difficult to
produce the mil-spec for that part number. With that little
twist, you will claim victory.

The fact is that the government system includes documentation and
most likely there will be meetings with the vendor to go over the
documentation and manufacturing process. All that doesn't come
for free.

As applied to healthcare......there is no way that the government
will be able to avoid the same excessively costly processes.




Wrong.

It's done today in Medicare with MUCH less paper work than private
insurers use

Nope. The Medicare paperwork burden on the private insurers,
clinics, hospitals is enormous. Far in excess of what is needed.

..

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duke wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:14:03 -0600, RichTravsky
traRvEsky at (no spam) hotmMOVEail.com
wrote:
duke wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:26:03 -0700 (PDT), Stile4aly
stile4aly at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 9:45 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:35:59 -0400, Domingo the Avenger
baying46... at (no spam) mypacks.net> wrote:

Aecom Charged Army $19 for 12-Cent Washers in Iraq, Audit Says

Somebody had to pay to fly the washers to Iraq.

Surely there are washers for sale in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia or
Egypt.
Surely we didn't need to fly washers from stateside.

Actually, the US military standard for washers applies, not kuwait
standard.

Everything the US military uses has a mil standard number.

Tell us the mil spec for a washer and compare with a "civilian"
one -

Easy - standards.

Which standards? Name them.

Tell us the mil spec for a washer and compare with a "civilian" one -

No dodging this time.

RT-
Cute. If you knew anything about mil standards, you would know that
there are standards for every item. Since the article did not divulge
the washer part number, it is pretty difficult to produce the mil-spec
for that part number. With that little twist, you will claim victory.

The fact is that the government system includes documentation and most
likely there will be meetings with the vendor to go over the
documentation and manufacturing process. All that doesn't come for
free.

As applied to healthcare......there is no way that the government will
be able to avoid the same excessively costly processes.




Wrong.

It's done today in Medicare with MUCH less paper work than private
insurers use

Nope. The Medicare paperwork burden on the private insurers, clinics,
hospitals is enormous. Far in excess of what is needed.

.
.
Not anything like the rejections and resubmissions that the insurance
companies force on the providers.

Medicare administration cost about 3 to 4%...private in the 30% to 40%
area.

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duke wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:14:03 -0600, RichTravsky
traRvEsky at (no spam) hotmMOVEail.com
wrote:
duke wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:26:03 -0700 (PDT), Stile4aly
stile4aly at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 9:45 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:35:59 -0400, Domingo the Avenger
baying46... at (no spam) mypacks.net> wrote:

Aecom Charged Army $19 for 12-Cent Washers in Iraq, Audit Says

Somebody had to pay to fly the washers to Iraq.

Surely there are washers for sale in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia or
Egypt.
Surely we didn't need to fly washers from stateside.

Actually, the US military standard for washers applies, not kuwait
standard.

Everything the US military uses has a mil standard number.

Tell us the mil spec for a washer and compare with a "civilian"
one -

Easy - standards.

Which standards? Name them.

Tell us the mil spec for a washer and compare with a "civilian" one -

No dodging this time.

RT-
Cute. If you knew anything about mil standards, you would know that
there are standards for every item. Since the article did not divulge
the washer part number, it is pretty difficult to produce the mil-spec
for that part number. With that little twist, you will claim victory.

The fact is that the government system includes documentation and most
likely there will be meetings with the vendor to go over the
documentation and manufacturing process. All that doesn't come for
free.

As applied to healthcare......there is no way that the government will
be able to avoid the same excessively costly processes.




Wrong.

It's done today in Medicare with MUCH less paper work than private
insurers use

Nope. The Medicare paperwork burden on the private insurers, clinics,
hospitals is enormous. Far in excess of what is needed.

.
.
Not anything like the rejections and resubmissions that the insurance
companies force on the providers.

Medicare administration cost about 3 to 4%...private in the 30% to 40%
area.

That is because the government forces private insurers to spend a large part

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duke wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:14:03 -0600, RichTravsky
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wrote:
duke wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:26:03 -0700 (PDT), Stile4aly
stile4aly at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 9:45 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:35:59 -0400, Domingo the Avenger
baying46... at (no spam) mypacks.net> wrote:

Aecom Charged Army $19 for 12-Cent Washers in Iraq, Audit
Says

Somebody had to pay to fly the washers to Iraq.

Surely there are washers for sale in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia or
Egypt.
Surely we didn't need to fly washers from stateside.

Actually, the US military standard for washers applies, not
kuwait standard.

Everything the US military uses has a mil standard number.

Tell us the mil spec for a washer and compare with a "civilian"
one -

Easy - standards.

Which standards? Name them.

Tell us the mil spec for a washer and compare with a "civilian" one
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No dodging this time.

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Cute. If you knew anything about mil standards, you would know that
there are standards for every item. Since the article did not
divulge the washer part number, it is pretty difficult to produce
the mil-spec for that part number. With that little twist, you will
claim victory.

The fact is that the government system includes documentation and
most likely there will be meetings with the vendor to go over the
documentation and manufacturing process. All that doesn't come for
free.

As applied to healthcare......there is no way that the government
will be able to avoid the same excessively costly processes.




Wrong.

It's done today in Medicare with MUCH less paper work than private
insurers use

Nope. The Medicare paperwork burden on the private insurers, clinics,
hospitals is enormous. Far in excess of what is needed.

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Not anything like the rejections and resubmissions that the insurance
companies force on the providers.

Medicare administration cost about 3 to 4%...private in the 30% to 40%
area.

That is because the government forces private insurers to spend a large
part of that 30-40%. Let me give you an example: if a clinic had NO
medicare patients and then decided to treat one. To get reimbursed for
that medicare treatment, the government would require all sorts of
unrelated reports from the clinic, under the guise of quality control
oversight. Reports such as "how many rubella shots were given to
infants".

Before receiving a dollar payment from the government in one area, the
government insists on participation in government sponsored initiatives
in other areas.

With government doing the whole shebang, the government will incur all
of those costs...AND more and more, as oversight is added for additional
spending.