On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:26:03 -0700 (PDT), Stile4aly
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On Oct 30, 9:45 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:35:59 -0400, Domingo the Avenger

baying46... at (no spam) mypacks.net> wrote:

Aecom Charged Army $19 for 12-Cent Washers in Iraq, Audit Says

Somebody had to pay to fly the washers to Iraq.

Surely there are washers for sale in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia or
Egypt.
Surely we didn't need to fly washers from stateside.

Actually, the US military standard for washers applies, not kuwait
standard.

Everything the US military uses has a mil standard number.

The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
..

On Oct 30, 3:01 pm, James Of Tucson <james0tuc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

For a time, I worked at a plant in Plano Texas that fabricated
optocouplers for an aerospace application.

The part we made was basically a small infrared LED on a circuit
board. We made them by the hundreds of thousands, but sold them by
the unit. We put them through very intense quality control and
testing before sending them out, which we had to do in order to
maintain our FAA 8130. The direct manufacturing cost of a single
unit
would have been below measurable cost. But the contract price on a
sales order was sufficient to keep this little plant in operation.

According to you, we ripped off our customers (the government and a
handful of aircraft manufacturers) because we didn't charge them a
couple of cents.

The problem with your debate is you just illustrated exactly how the
contractor can rip off the government. The contractor can say,
"Well,
we also had to renoberate all the sub-Angstrom bla-bla-bla
tolerances
to satisfy MIL-SPEC 420 bla-bla-bla regulations", and the contractor
can then bamboozle their way to a 10x markup, well above an honest
profit, and well above the actual cost of manufacturing the product
to
tolerance.
..

"duke" <duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:26:03 -0700 (PDT), Stile4aly <stile4aly at (no spam) yahoo.com
wrote:

On Oct 30, 9:45 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:35:59 -0400, Domingo the Avenger

baying46... at (no spam) mypacks.net> wrote:

Aecom Charged Army $19 for 12-Cent Washers in Iraq, Audit Says

Somebody had to pay to fly the washers to Iraq.

Surely there are washers for sale in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia or Egypt.
Surely we didn't need to fly washers from stateside.

Actually, the US military standard for washers applies, not kuwait
standard.

Everything the US military uses has a mil standard number.

The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
.
.
Our military budget: The greatest boondoggle ever!

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"Sid9" <sid9 at (no spam) belsouth.net> wrote in message
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"duke" <duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:26:03 -0700 (PDT), Stile4aly
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On Oct 30, 9:45 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:35:59 -0400, Domingo the Avenger

baying46... at (no spam) mypacks.net> wrote:

Aecom Charged Army $19 for 12-Cent Washers in Iraq, Audit Says

Somebody had to pay to fly the washers to Iraq.

Surely there are washers for sale in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia or Egypt.
Surely we didn't need to fly washers from stateside.

Actually, the US military standard for washers applies, not kuwait
standard.

Everything the US military uses has a mil standard number.

The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI
*****
.
.
Our military budget: The greatest boondoggle ever!

-
And it is run by the gummint....the same gummint that will be running
the new improved, all singing, all dancing, screw the costs, healthcare
system.

On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:26:03 -0700 (PDT), Stile4aly <stile4aly at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 9:45 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:35:59 -0400, Domingo the Avenger
baying46... at (no spam) mypacks.net> wrote:

Aecom Charged Army $19 for 12-Cent Washers in Iraq, Audit Says

Somebody had to pay to fly the washers to Iraq.

Surely there are washers for sale in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia or Egypt.
Surely we didn't need to fly washers from stateside.

Actually, the US military standard for washers applies, not kuwait standard.

Everything the US military uses has a mil standard number.

Stile4aly wrote:
On Oct 30, 9:45 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:35:59 -0400, Domingo the Avenger
baying46... at (no spam) mypacks.net> wrote:

Aecom Charged Army $19 for 12-Cent Washers in Iraq, Audit Says
Somebody had to pay to fly the washers to Iraq.

Surely there are washers for sale in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia or Egypt.
Surely we didn't need to fly washers from stateside.

Those terr'ists are sneaky, you know. They could have had tiny little bombs in them!

Or, more to the point, they could have been out of tolerance...

On Oct 30, 2:25 pm, "Sid9" <s... at (no spam) belsouth.net> wrote:

Defense budget....biggest waste in the federal budget.

For a time, I worked at a plant in Plano Texas that fabricated
optocouplers for an aerospace application.

The part we made was basically a small infrared LED on a circuit
board. We made them by the hundreds of thousands, but sold them by
the unit. We put them through very intense quality control and
testing before sending them out, which we had to do in order to
maintain our FAA 8130. The direct manufacturing cost of a single unit
would have been below measurable cost. But the contract price on a
sales order was sufficient to keep this little plant in operation.

According to you, we ripped off our customers (the government and a
handful of aircraft manufacturers) because we didn't charge them a
couple of cents.

On Oct 30, 2:56 pm, James Of Tucson <james0tuc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 11:26 am, Stile4aly <stile4... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

Surely there are washers for sale in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia or Egypt.
Surely we didn't need to fly washers from stateside.

If you are sure, then you know the material, dimensions, intended
application, and the whole supply chain involved.

If you don't know all of that, then you really can't make any claims.

I may be wrong, I grant that. Even if fully loaded with transit
costs, it seems odd that a 12 cent washer would end up costing $19.
There may be a legitimate answer, as you gave above in describing the
fabrication, testing, etc of an electronic component.

If this is your typical machined washer that you would find in a Home
Depot, then surely there must be less expensive means of procurement.
If it's some specialized unique material, then there may indeed only
be one source.

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"duke" <duckgumbo32 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:26:03 -0700 (PDT), Stile4aly
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On Oct 30, 9:45 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:35:59 -0400, Domingo the Avenger

baying46... at (no spam) mypacks.net> wrote:

Aecom Charged Army $19 for 12-Cent Washers in Iraq, Audit Says

Somebody had to pay to fly the washers to Iraq.

Surely there are washers for sale in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia or
Egypt.
Surely we didn't need to fly washers from stateside.

Actually, the US military standard for washers applies, not kuwait
standard.

Everything the US military uses has a mil standard number.

The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
.
.
Our military budget: The greatest boondoggle ever!

-
And it is run by the gummint....the same gummint that will be
running the new improved, all singing, all dancing, screw the costs,
healthcare system.

..

James Of Tucson wrote:
On Oct 30, 2:25 pm, "Sid9" <s... at (no spam) belsouth.net> wrote:

Defense budget....biggest waste in the federal budget.

For a time, I worked at a plant in Plano Texas that fabricated
optocouplers for an aerospace application.

The part we made was basically a small infrared LED on a circuit
board. We made them by the hundreds of thousands, but sold them by
the unit. We put them through very intense quality control and
testing before sending them out, which we had to do in order to
maintain our FAA 8130. The direct manufacturing cost of a single
unit
would have been below measurable cost. But the contract price on a
sales order was sufficient to keep this little plant in operation.

According to you, we ripped off our customers (the government and a
handful of aircraft manufacturers) because we didn't charge them a
couple of cents.

Since you don't list prices that's hard to say.
..

The defense industry, for many years, has been a middle class welfare
program.

Ahhhh...you just showed a total lack of understanding of government
procurement.  The government requires $100 of documentation for every dollar
spent, and will then spend $1000 per dollar spent to assure that the
government isn't getting screwed.

THAT is why government healtcare can never be effective.

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On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:26:03 -0700 (PDT), Stile4aly
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On Oct 30, 9:45 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:35:59 -0400, Domingo the Avenger

baying46... at (no spam) mypacks.net> wrote:

Aecom Charged Army $19 for 12-Cent Washers in Iraq, Audit Says

Somebody had to pay to fly the washers to Iraq.

Surely there are washers for sale in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia or
Egypt.
Surely we didn't need to fly washers from stateside.

Actually, the US military standard for washers applies, not kuwait
standard.

Everything the US military uses has a mil standard number.

The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
.
.
Our military budget: The greatest boondoggle ever!

-
And it is run by the gummint....the same gummint that will be
running the new improved, all singing, all dancing, screw the costs,
healthcare system.

.
.
Our government does a lot good and efficiently, better than private
industry.
No one's watching private industry.
You want fuckups?
AIG. GM, Lehman Bros, etc, etc, etc...ad infinitum
You insurrectionists only dig out the bad spots and hoist them high.

Same old plain out shit dished out by the senile Reagan, and the
incompetent bush,jr.


Talk about the pot and kettle You ought to know about senile aand

duke wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:26:03 -0700 (PDT), Stile4aly <stile4aly at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 9:45 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:35:59 -0400, Domingo the Avenger
baying46... at (no spam) mypacks.net> wrote:

Aecom Charged Army $19 for 12-Cent Washers in Iraq, Audit Says

Somebody had to pay to fly the washers to Iraq.

Surely there are washers for sale in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia or Egypt.
Surely we didn't need to fly washers from stateside.

Actually, the US military standard for washers applies, not kuwait standard.

Everything the US military uses has a mil standard number.

Tell us the mil spec for a washer and compare with a "civilian" one -

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:45:01 -0700, Wayne wrote:

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On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:26:03 -0700 (PDT), Stile4aly
stile4aly at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

On Oct 30, 9:45 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:35:59 -0400, Domingo the Avenger

baying46... at (no spam) mypacks.net> wrote:

Aecom Charged Army $19 for 12-Cent Washers in Iraq, Audit Says

Somebody had to pay to fly the washers to Iraq.

Surely there are washers for sale in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia or Egypt.
Surely we didn't need to fly washers from stateside.

Actually, the US military standard for washers applies, not kuwait
standard.

Everything the US military uses has a mil standard number.

The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI
*****
.
.
Our military budget: The greatest boondoggle ever!

-
And it is run by the gummint....the same gummint that will be running
the new improved, all singing, all dancing, screw the costs, healthcare
system.

Actually, it's private contractors doing to gouging.

If you weren't an ideological idiot, maybe you would blame the criminals,
rather than the victims?
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