On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:12:19 -0800 (PST), Jimbo <ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 4, 12:55 pm, Les Hellawell <l... at (no spam) fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:38:01 -0800 (PST), Jimbo <ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:

On Nov 4, 7:28 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 17:48:26 -0800 (PST), Jimbo <ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 3, 7:28 pm, Dionisio <moc.rr.thgi... at (no spam) 5ellimd.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
juanjo <jonpe... at (no spam) mindspring.com> wrote:
Duke is correct that the lay populations of Roman Catholics have been
increasing.  There are currently 60 million Catholics in the United
States with huge increases in the West and South, mainly due to the
influx of HIspanics.  However his commentary about the number of
priests is just another lie from the Dukester.  Well perhaps not a lie
but rather wishful thinking on the part of the Dukester.

And the gaps are being filled by priests from Africa and Asia.  Now the ranks
will continue to grow as the married Episcopalians priest converts will be added
to the ranks of the RC priests.  To add to this, many married men of middle age
are becoming permanent deacons, and many widowers are moving to the priesthood.
Then too, the youth are starting to return now that the pedo problem has been
corrected.

Oh the irony...

"We are Americans, we are Christians, we value our religious convictions so much that
we're outsourcing the folks responsible for *our* indoctrination.."

(Guess there ain't that many moral Americans... Gotta look overseas... Literally.)

Also got a chuckle out the "the pedo problem has been corrected." In the 1950's it "didn't
exist." In the '80s it was known, but "dealt with." In recent years, we discovered that it
*did* exist in the '50s, and we discovered *some* of the reality of the '80s.

At least 70 years -- provable, mind -- of "expertise"... During which we can see the
shuffling, the denials, the subterfuges, oh heck: The lies.

But now we may rest assured that it's been dealt with... Dare one note that it has been
"dealt with" by the organization that gave us the word "propaganda"?

Makes ya feel all warm and cozy inside, don't it?
That is something the pedophile loving, catholic pervert earl will
never understand, the reason that so many get a laugh out of the
absurdity of a catholic saying that "it has been dealt with", or my
other earl the idiot quote, "the house has been cleaned".   earl is
little more than a buffoon.

You're easy to laugh at, notown.   You have no idea what has and is going on and
yet you pretend you do.  

You're easy to make a fool of, lying pedophile earl.  I know exactly
what is going on, and have slapped you in the face with it on several
occasions.  Your diversion and failure to address the points proves
that you are a pedophile lover, and probably a pedophile yourself.

No it doesn't.

Yes, it does.  Unless you followed the entire discussion in this and
previous thread, then how can you say that it doesn't prove such?

You're a real dumbass,

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:32:07 -0800 (PST), Jimbo <ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 4, 1:36 pm, Les Hellawell <l... at (no spam) fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:12:19 -0800 (PST), Jimbo <ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:

On Nov 4, 12:55 pm, Les Hellawell <l... at (no spam) fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:38:01 -0800 (PST), Jimbo <ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:

On Nov 4, 7:28 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 17:48:26 -0800 (PST), Jimbo <ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 3, 7:28 pm, Dionisio <moc.rr.thgi... at (no spam) 5ellimd.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
juanjo <jonpe... at (no spam) mindspring.com> wrote:
Duke is correct that the lay populations of Roman Catholics have been
increasing.  There are currently 60 million Catholics in the United
States with huge increases in the West and South, mainly due to the
influx of HIspanics.  However his commentary about the number of
priests is just another lie from the Dukester.  Well perhaps not a lie
but rather wishful thinking on the part of the Dukester.

And the gaps are being filled by priests from Africa and Asia.  Now the ranks
will continue to grow as the married Episcopalians priest converts will be added
to the ranks of the RC priests.  To add to this, many married men of middle age
are becoming permanent deacons, and many widowers are moving to the priesthood.
Then too, the youth are starting to return now that the pedo problem has been
corrected.

Oh the irony...

"We are Americans, we are Christians, we value our religious convictions so much that
we're outsourcing the folks responsible for *our* indoctrination."

(Guess there ain't that many moral Americans... Gotta look overseas... Literally.)

Also got a chuckle out the "the pedo problem has been corrected." In the 1950's it "didn't
exist." In the '80s it was known, but "dealt with." In recent years, we discovered that it
*did* exist in the '50s, and we discovered *some* of the reality of the '80s.

At least 70 years -- provable, mind -- of "expertise"... During which we can see the
shuffling, the denials, the subterfuges, oh heck: The lies.

But now we may rest assured that it's been dealt with... Dare one note that it has been
"dealt with" by the organization that gave us the word "propaganda"?

Makes ya feel all warm and cozy inside, don't it?
That is something the pedophile loving, catholic pervert earl will
never understand, the reason that so many get a laugh out of the
absurdity of a catholic saying that "it has been dealt with", or my
other earl the idiot quote, "the house has been cleaned".   earl is
little more than a buffoon.

You're easy to laugh at, notown.   You have no idea what has and is going on and
yet you pretend you do.  

You're easy to make a fool of, lying pedophile earl.  I know exactly
what is going on, and have slapped you in the face with it on several
occasions.  Your diversion and failure to address the points proves
that you are a pedophile lover, and probably a pedophile yourself.

No it doesn't.

Yes, it does.  Unless you followed the entire discussion in this and
previous thread, then how can you say that it doesn't prove such?

 His 'failure to adddess points' proves nothing.

I disagree.

You're an idiot, vacant lot.

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:36:33 -0800 (PST), Jimbo <ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 4, 7:26 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:28:51 -0500, Dionisio <moc.rr.thgi... at (no spam) 5ellimd.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
juanjo <jonpe... at (no spam) mindspring.com> wrote:
Duke is correct that the lay populations of Roman Catholics have been
increasing.  There are currently 60 million Catholics in the United
States with huge increases in the West and South, mainly due to the
influx of HIspanics.  However his commentary about the number of
priests is just another lie from the Dukester.  Well perhaps not a lie
but rather wishful thinking on the part of the Dukester.

And the gaps are being filled by priests from Africa and Asia.  Now the ranks
will continue to grow as the married Episcopalians priest converts will be added
to the ranks of the RC priests.  To add to this, many married men of middle age
are becoming permanent deacons, and many widowers are moving to the priesthood.
Then too, the youth are starting to return now that the pedo problem has been
corrected.

Oh the irony...

You didn't know all this, did you?

"We are Americans, we are Christians, we value our religious convictions so much that
we're outsourcing the folks responsible for *our* indoctrination."

Say what?

LOL!  You truly are an idiot.

You need to learn

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:22:19 -0500, Dionisio <moc.rr.thgi... at (no spam) 5ellimd.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
Dionisio <moc.rr.thgi... at (no spam) 5ellimd.com> wrote:
"We are Americans, we are Christians, we value our religious convictions so much that
we're outsourcing the folks responsible for *our* indoctrination."

Say what?

Christianity should spread, I think I've heard that.

It is.

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:32:17 -0800 (PST), juanjo <jonpe... at (no spam) mindspring.com> wrote:
On Nov 4, 4:26 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:28:51 -0500, Dionisio <moc.rr.thgi... at (no spam) 5ellimd.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
juanjo <jonpe... at (no spam) mindspring.com> wrote:
Duke is correct that the lay populations of Roman Catholics have been
increasing.  There are currently 60 million Catholics in the United
States with huge increases in the West and South, mainly due to the
influx of HIspanics.  However his commentary about the number of
priests is just another lie from the Dukester.  Well perhaps not a lie
but rather wishful thinking on the part of the Dukester.

And the gaps are being filled by priests from Africa and Asia.  Now the ranks
will continue to grow as the married Episcopalians priest converts will be added
to the ranks of the RC priests.  To add to this, many married men of middle age
are becoming permanent deacons, and many widowers are moving to the priesthood.
Then too, the youth are starting to return now that the pedo problem has been
corrected.

Oh the irony...

You didn't know all this, did you?

"We are Americans, we are Christians, we value our religious convictions so much that
we're outsourcing the folks responsible for *our* indoctrination."

Say what?

(Guess there ain't that many moral Americans... Gotta look overseas.... Literally.)

Overseas didn't have the pedo problem.  And they are filling many vital spots as
the US priesthood recovers, and it is presently doing.
Man Dukie, you really are in complete denial aren't you?  There have
been cases of priests molesting male and female children identified in
virtually every place where the Roman Catholic Church has parishes.

I recommend the John Jay report to you.  

You're easy to laugh at, notown.   You have no idea what has and is going on and
yet you pretend you do.  

You're easy to make a fool of, lying pedophile earl. I know exactly
what is going on, and have slapped you in the face with it on several
occasions.

Your diversion and failure to address the points proves
that you are a pedophile lover, and probably a pedophile yourself.

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:38:01 -0800 (PST), Jimbo <ckdbigtoe at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:

On Nov 4, 7:28 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 17:48:26 -0800 (PST), Jimbo <ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 3, 7:28 pm, Dionisio <moc.rr.thgi... at (no spam) 5ellimd.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
juanjo <jonpe... at (no spam) mindspring.com> wrote:
Duke is correct that the lay populations of Roman Catholics have been
increasing.  There are currently 60 million Catholics in the United
States with huge increases in the West and South, mainly due to the
influx of HIspanics.  However his commentary about the number of
priests is just another lie from the Dukester.  Well perhaps not a lie
but rather wishful thinking on the part of the Dukester.

And the gaps are being filled by priests from Africa and Asia.  Now the ranks
will continue to grow as the married Episcopalians priest converts will be added
to the ranks of the RC priests.  To add to this, many married men of middle age
are becoming permanent deacons, and many widowers are moving to the priesthood.
Then too, the youth are starting to return now that the pedo problem has been
corrected.

Oh the irony...

"We are Americans, we are Christians, we value our religious convictions so much that
we're outsourcing the folks responsible for *our* indoctrination."

(Guess there ain't that many moral Americans... Gotta look overseas... Literally.)

Also got a chuckle out the "the pedo problem has been corrected." In the 1950's it "didn't
exist." In the '80s it was known, but "dealt with." In recent years, we discovered that it
*did* exist in the '50s, and we discovered *some* of the reality of the '80s.

At least 70 years -- provable, mind -- of "expertise"... During which we can see the
shuffling, the denials, the subterfuges, oh heck: The lies.

But now we may rest assured that it's been dealt with... Dare one note that it has been
"dealt with" by the organization that gave us the word "propaganda"?

Makes ya feel all warm and cozy inside, don't it?
That is something the pedophile loving, catholic pervert earl will
never understand, the reason that so many get a laugh out of the
absurdity of a catholic saying that "it has been dealt with", or my
other earl the idiot quote, "the house has been cleaned".   earl is
little more than a buffoon.

You're easy to laugh at, notown.   You have no idea what has and is going on and
yet you pretend you do.  

You're easy to make a fool of, lying pedophile earl. I know exactly
what is going on, and have slapped you in the face with it on several
occasions. Your diversion and failure to address the points proves
that you are a pedophile lover, and probably a pedophile yourself.

No it doesn't. Charging somebody with being a pedophile is
a serious matter. If you have evidence then tell the Police
otherwise do not do it, it is wrong.

True he does try to give the impression that there is no problem
and everything is coming up roses but his intention is to defend
the church not the criminals concerned . Misplaced in my view. He
would get more respect if he acknowledged the problem and
demanded his church clean up its act and is seen so to do.

On Nov 4, 12:55 pm, Les Hellawell <l... at (no spam) fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:38:01 -0800 (PST), Jimbo <ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:





On Nov 4, 7:28 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 17:48:26 -0800 (PST), Jimbo <ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 3, 7:28 pm, Dionisio <moc.rr.thgi... at (no spam) 5ellimd.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
juanjo <jonpe... at (no spam) mindspring.com> wrote:
Duke is correct that the lay populations of Roman Catholics have been
increasing.  There are currently 60 million Catholics in the United
States with huge increases in the West and South, mainly due to the
influx of HIspanics.  However his commentary about the number of
priests is just another lie from the Dukester.  Well perhaps not a lie
but rather wishful thinking on the part of the Dukester.

And the gaps are being filled by priests from Africa and Asia.  Now the ranks
will continue to grow as the married Episcopalians priest converts will be added
to the ranks of the RC priests.  To add to this, many married men of middle age
are becoming permanent deacons, and many widowers are moving to the priesthood.
Then too, the youth are starting to return now that the pedo problem has been
corrected.

Oh the irony...

"We are Americans, we are Christians, we value our religious convictions so much that
we're outsourcing the folks responsible for *our* indoctrination."

(Guess there ain't that many moral Americans... Gotta look overseas... Literally.)

Also got a chuckle out the "the pedo problem has been corrected." In the 1950's it "didn't
exist." In the '80s it was known, but "dealt with." In recent years, we discovered that it
*did* exist in the '50s, and we discovered *some* of the reality of the '80s.

At least 70 years -- provable, mind -- of "expertise"... During which we can see the
shuffling, the denials, the subterfuges, oh heck: The lies.

But now we may rest assured that it's been dealt with... Dare one note that it has been
"dealt with" by the organization that gave us the word "propaganda"?

Makes ya feel all warm and cozy inside, don't it?
That is something the pedophile loving, catholic pervert earl will
never understand, the reason that so many get a laugh out of the
absurdity of a catholic saying that "it has been dealt with", or my
other earl the idiot quote, "the house has been cleaned".   earl is
little more than a buffoon.

You're easy to laugh at, notown.   You have no idea what has and is going on and
yet you pretend you do.  

You're easy to make a fool of, lying pedophile earl.  I know exactly
what is going on, and have slapped you in the face with it on several
occasions.  Your diversion and failure to address the points proves
that you are a pedophile lover, and probably a pedophile yourself.

No it doesn't.

Yes, it does. Unless you followed the entire discussion in this and
previous thread, then how can you say that it doesn't prove such?

On Nov 4, 1:36 pm, Les Hellawell <l... at (no spam) fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:12:19 -0800 (PST), Jimbo <ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:





On Nov 4, 12:55 pm, Les Hellawell <l... at (no spam) fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:38:01 -0800 (PST), Jimbo <ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:

On Nov 4, 7:28 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 17:48:26 -0800 (PST), Jimbo <ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 3, 7:28 pm, Dionisio <moc.rr.thgi... at (no spam) 5ellimd.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
juanjo <jonpe... at (no spam) mindspring.com> wrote:
Duke is correct that the lay populations of Roman Catholics have been
increasing.  There are currently 60 million Catholics in the United
States with huge increases in the West and South, mainly due to the
influx of HIspanics.  However his commentary about the number of
priests is just another lie from the Dukester.  Well perhaps not a lie
but rather wishful thinking on the part of the Dukester.

And the gaps are being filled by priests from Africa and Asia.  Now the ranks
will continue to grow as the married Episcopalians priest converts will be added
to the ranks of the RC priests.  To add to this, many married men of middle age
are becoming permanent deacons, and many widowers are moving to the priesthood.
Then too, the youth are starting to return now that the pedo problem has been
corrected.

Oh the irony...

"We are Americans, we are Christians, we value our religious convictions so much that
we're outsourcing the folks responsible for *our* indoctrination."

(Guess there ain't that many moral Americans... Gotta look overseas... Literally.)

Also got a chuckle out the "the pedo problem has been corrected." In the 1950's it "didn't
exist." In the '80s it was known, but "dealt with." In recent years, we discovered that it
*did* exist in the '50s, and we discovered *some* of the reality of the '80s.

At least 70 years -- provable, mind -- of "expertise"... During which we can see the
shuffling, the denials, the subterfuges, oh heck: The lies.

But now we may rest assured that it's been dealt with... Dare one note that it has been
"dealt with" by the organization that gave us the word "propaganda"?

Makes ya feel all warm and cozy inside, don't it?
That is something the pedophile loving, catholic pervert earl will
never understand, the reason that so many get a laugh out of the
absurdity of a catholic saying that "it has been dealt with", or my
other earl the idiot quote, "the house has been cleaned".   earl is
little more than a buffoon.

You're easy to laugh at, notown.   You have no idea what has and is going on and
yet you pretend you do.  

You're easy to make a fool of, lying pedophile earl.  I know exactly
what is going on, and have slapped you in the face with it on several
occasions.  Your diversion and failure to address the points proves
that you are a pedophile lover, and probably a pedophile yourself.

No it doesn't.

Yes, it does.  Unless you followed the entire discussion in this and
previous thread, then how can you say that it doesn't prove such?

 His 'failure to adddess points' proves nothing.

I disagree.

On Nov 4, 7:26 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:28:51 -0500, Dionisio <moc.rr.thgi... at (no spam) 5ellimd.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
juanjo <jonpe... at (no spam) mindspring.com> wrote:
Duke is correct that the lay populations of Roman Catholics have been
increasing.  There are currently 60 million Catholics in the United
States with huge increases in the West and South, mainly due to the
influx of HIspanics.  However his commentary about the number of
priests is just another lie from the Dukester.  Well perhaps not a lie
but rather wishful thinking on the part of the Dukester.

And the gaps are being filled by priests from Africa and Asia.  Now the ranks
will continue to grow as the married Episcopalians priest converts will be added
to the ranks of the RC priests.  To add to this, many married men of middle age
are becoming permanent deacons, and many widowers are moving to the priesthood.
Then too, the youth are starting to return now that the pedo problem has been
corrected.

Oh the irony...

You didn't know all this, did you?

"We are Americans, we are Christians, we value our religious convictions so much that
we're outsourcing the folks responsible for *our* indoctrination."

Say what?


LOL! You truly are an idiot.

On Nov 4, 4:26 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:28:51 -0500, Dionisio <moc.rr.thgi... at (no spam) 5ellimd.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
juanjo <jonpe... at (no spam) mindspring.com> wrote:
Duke is correct that the lay populations of Roman Catholics have been
increasing.  There are currently 60 million Catholics in the United
States with huge increases in the West and South, mainly due to the
influx of HIspanics.  However his commentary about the number of
priests is just another lie from the Dukester.  Well perhaps not a lie
but rather wishful thinking on the part of the Dukester.

And the gaps are being filled by priests from Africa and Asia.  Now the ranks
will continue to grow as the married Episcopalians priest converts will be added
to the ranks of the RC priests.  To add to this, many married men of middle age
are becoming permanent deacons, and many widowers are moving to the priesthood.
Then too, the youth are starting to return now that the pedo problem has been
corrected.

Oh the irony...

You didn't know all this, did you?

"We are Americans, we are Christians, we value our religious convictions so much that
we're outsourcing the folks responsible for *our* indoctrination."

Say what?

(Guess there ain't that many moral Americans... Gotta look overseas... Literally.)

Overseas didn't have the pedo problem.  And they are filling many vital spots as
the US priesthood recovers, and it is presently doing.

Man Dukie, you really are in complete denial aren't you? There have
been cases of priests molesting male and female children identified in
virtually every place where the Roman Catholic Church has parishes.

duke wrote:
Dionisio <moc.rr.thgisni at (no spam) 5ellimd.com> wrote:
"We are Americans, we are Christians, we value our religious convictions so much that
we're outsourcing the folks responsible for *our* indoctrination."

Say what?

Christianity should spread, I think I've heard that.

Christianity should find and cultivate leaders within the new places it arises and takes
root, yes?
Outsourcing leadership to Nigeria because none of this land's populace seems capable of
being Christian leaders... That's the outsourcing of Christian indoctrination.

Tell me you can't grasp that.
(I may well believe you, but that's another matter.)

(Guess there ain't that many moral Americans... Gotta look overseas... Literally.)
Overseas didn't have the pedo problem. And they are filling many vital spots as
the US priesthood recovers, and it is presently doing.
ROTFL!!!

The only land that *didn't* -- and apparently *doesn't* -- have that problem is Antarctica.

Europe, Africa, Asia, the Americas, Australia, all had and still do have it. It's even in
Vatican City, right now.

Also got a chuckle out the "the pedo problem has been corrected." In the 1950's it "didn't
exist." In the '80s it was known, but "dealt with." In recent years, we discovered that it
*did* exist in the '50s, and we discovered *some* of the reality of the '80s.

And also discovered was the fact that the problem was no more prevalent than
with your youth leaders, coaches, teachers, baby sitters, etc.
ROTFL!!!

You keep telling yourself that.

On Nov 3, 10:48=A0pm, r... at (no spam) somis.org (=95R.L.Measures) wrote:
In article
7584578f-3548-4eb6-a888-3468717c9... at (no spam) r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, Jimb=
o





ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 3, 10:00=3DA0am, r... at (no spam) somis.org (=3D95R.L.Measures) wrote:
In article <4AEFFB2F.C3942... at (no spam) anonymous.com>, anonymous

anonym... at (no spam) anonymous.com> wrote:
duke wrote:

On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 13:10:21 -0800 (PST), juanjo
jonpe... at (no spam) mindspring.com> wrote:

On Nov 1, 1:05 pm, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:

Name one time I lied. =3DA0You can't.

Well you have been lying about the number of priests increasing.

It's no lie. =3DA0The men in formation at this time is starting t=
o
increase. =3DA0After
the Church cleaned the house of pedophiles, the young men of Amer=
ica =3D
are
starting to return to formation.

I'll leave the CNS and USCCB report below intact.

Per the Catholic News Service and the United States Conference O=
f
Catholic Bishops as of 2009:

There are 46 709 priests in the United States: some 31,162 are
diocesan priests; some 15,547 are religious priests; another 9,5=
24
priests are retired. Approximately, 27,000 priests are active in
parish ministry. =3DA0This is a decline of 30% since 1975. =3DA0=
Currentl=3D
y the
Roman Catholic Church in the USA brings in foreign priest to the
United States to assist in the ever increasing shortage. =3DA0Th=
e curr=3D
ent
rate is 18% of priests in the United States were born outside th=
e
United States. =3DA0There are currently 19,000 parishes in the U=
nited
States.

The ratio of priests to people in 1900 was approximately 1:900. =
In
1950 the ratio was approximately 1: 650. In 1999 the ratio was
approximately 1: 1200. =3DA0The average age of priests in the Un=
ited
States is 57 years for diocesan priests, and 63 years for religi=
ous
priests. There are 433 priests over the age of 90 and 298 priest=
s
under the age of 30. =3DA0There are currently 3274 seminarians t=
rainin=3D
g
with an increase of 22 over prior enrollment. =3DA0This is still=
a dro=3D
p
from the 39,638 seminarians in 1966 =3DA0Most of these seminaria=
ns are
over the age of 30. =3DA0The rates do not bode well for the Roma=
n Cath=3D
olic
Church. =3DA0Her lay population is growing at roughly 1.50% per =
year a=3D
nd
at a much higher rate in the United States due to the influx of =
Roma=3D
n
Catholics primarily from Latin America. =3DA0But the number of n=
ewly
ordained priests is increasing at a rate of 0.13% and the number=
of
seminarians worldwide has increased by 1.23%. =3DA0Obviously the
seminaries are not replacing all the priests who die, retire or =
leav=3D
e
for whatever reason. =3DA0The current rate is that they are repl=
acing =3D
30%
of the number leaving each year and this number is expected to g=
et
worse, reaching 18% by 2020.

So Dukie, your own church is saying that you are delusional but =
then
that has been evident for some time.

The aging priesthood with the pedo problem has definitely taken i=
t's
toll. Right
now, there is a huge influx of priests from other countries, prim=
aril=3D
y
Africa
and Asia filling many of the holes. =3DA0And the youth of America=
is st=3D
arting to
respond positively to the call of the priesthood.

It took 50 years to create the hole, and it will take numerous ye=
ars
to fill it,
but it is happening.

The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

I can't imagine a heterosexual male giving up sex.

=3D95 =3DA0When a friend was inquiring about entry to a Jesuit colleg=
e in New
York, he was concerned about how strict the rule not to have sex with
women would be taken, =3DA0The reps from the college told him "we wil=
l expe=3D
ct
you to be discrete".

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Same advice they gave for the initiate having sex with the kids/teens.

** =A0 =A0The RCC reportedlyly teaches its priests that it is more sinful=
to
have sex with a female than with a male. =A0They also teach that children
simply outgrow sexual abuse,


I've heard that at least one of the pedophile priest that were
convicted made that very statement. Something along the lines of
"...they forget...". When he was pushed on the subject a little
further, he said that is what they taught him at the Our Lady of Grace
Seminary in Boston.

When you get into really researching and looking
at these pedophile priest cases, the entire catholic organization is
rotten from the top up, and top down. It needs to be disbanded as an
obcenity to this country, and the world.

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ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 3, 10:06=3DA0am, r... at (no spam) somis.org (=3D95R.L.Measures) wrote:
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On Nov 3, 6:25=3D3DA0am, anonymous <anonym... at (no spam) anonymous.com> wrote:
Alex W wrote:

On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:17:27 +0000, Les Hellawell wrote:

On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:32:31 -0800, r... at (no spam) somis.org (=3D3D95R.=
L.Meas=3D
ures) =3D3D
wrote:

In article <reure593la6nc9fhos010pmrf1drt2d... at (no spam) 4ax.com>, duke
duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:

Duke's right, the parishioners made their feelings clea=
r by=3D
=A0aba=3D3D
ndoning
the church and walking away. Few will return.

ONly a few did. =3D3DA0And the church continues to grow,=
and t=3D
he pri=3D3D
esthood
returns to
growth with clean young and middle age men.

There is something suspect about young men who take a vow of
celebacy for the rest of their life but we know its is more h=
onou=3D
red
in the declaration than it is in the breeches. Well whatever =
it i=3D
sn't
something healthy young men do.

I'm not sure how strange such a commitment really is. =3D3DA0Af=
ter
all, plenty of young men make all manner of dramatic and
often terminal commitments -- from saying "yes, I do" after
the phrase "until death do us part" to blowing themselves up
in crowded marketplaces. =3D3DA0Young men are like that....

I guess that sooner or later they are ging have to be pragmat=
ic
and allow priests to marry followed by mumbo-jumbo-ising wome=
n
priests otherwise they are going to find that they will soon =
have
no priests. The CofE have already bitten that bullet.

IMO, they are working up to it. =3D3DA0For some years now, Rome
has very quietly allowed married priests from other
denominations to convert and continue in their office. =3D3DA0T=
his
experience seems to have been so positive that Ratzinger now
extended anopen invitation to the conservative elements of
the Church of England, up to and including bishops. =3D3DA0I am
tempted to see this at least parlty as a large-scale field
test of the workability of married priestdom in a Catholic
setting.

I know the official Catholic position is that by a priest being c=
eleb=3D
ate
and not married , he can be committed to this job and the congreg=
atio=3D
n.
But priests don't work 24 hours a day. =3D3DA0And when they are n=
ot wor=3D
king,
they are doing many things and one of them is sex. =3D3DA0The res=
t of t=3D
he
world knows that because they meet priests who have sex. =3D3DA0I=
have =3D
only
met priests who admit to having sex. =3D3DA0I have never met a pr=
iest t=3D
o said
he no longer has sex. =3D3DA0I guess they exist. =3D3DA0The churc=
h would =3D
have to =3D3D
pay
more if they had to pay a priest enough money to raise a family.-=
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More than the $2.1 billion or so than they've had to shell out for
protecting pedophile priests?

** =3DA0$2.1-billion was probably a bargain compared to the bad press=
that
would have rained down from over a thousand public trials of altar-bo=
ys
testifying as to what the priest inserted where,

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True, and how the church did nothing about it.

** =A0they paid each sexually abused altar-boy c. $1.2-million.


I meant nothing to prevent it. In fact, they enabled it.

I have demanded the Church clean up the house, and it has done so already.