On Nov 3, 7:28 pm, Dionisio <moc.rr.thgi... at (no spam) 5ellimd.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
juanjo <jonpe... at (no spam) mindspring.com> wrote:
Duke is correct that the lay populations of Roman Catholics have been
increasing.  There are currently 60 million Catholics in the United
States with huge increases in the West and South, mainly due to the
influx of HIspanics.  However his commentary about the number of
priests is just another lie from the Dukester.  Well perhaps not a lie
but rather wishful thinking on the part of the Dukester.

And the gaps are being filled by priests from Africa and Asia.  Now the ranks
will continue to grow as the married Episcopalians priest converts will be added
to the ranks of the RC priests.  To add to this, many married men of middle age
are becoming permanent deacons, and many widowers are moving to the priesthood.
Then too, the youth are starting to return now that the pedo problem has been
corrected.

Oh the irony...

"We are Americans, we are Christians, we value our religious convictions so much that
we're outsourcing the folks responsible for *our* indoctrination."

(Guess there ain't that many moral Americans... Gotta look overseas... Literally.)

Also got a chuckle out the "the pedo problem has been corrected." In the 1950's it "didn't
exist." In the '80s it was known, but "dealt with." In recent years, we discovered that it
*did* exist in the '50s, and we discovered *some* of the reality of the '80s.

At least 70 years -- provable, mind -- of "expertise"... During which we can see the
shuffling, the denials, the subterfuges, oh heck: The lies.

But now we may rest assured that it's been dealt with... Dare one note that it has been
"dealt with" by the organization that gave us the word "propaganda"?

Makes ya feel all warm and cozy inside, don't it?

That is something the pedophile loving, catholic pervert earl will
never understand, the reason that so many get a laugh out of the
absurdity of a catholic saying that "it has been dealt with", or my
other earl the idiot quote, "the house has been cleaned". earl is
little more than a buffoon.

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:38:01 -0800 (PST), Jimbo <ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:





On Nov 4, 7:28 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 17:48:26 -0800 (PST), Jimbo <ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 3, 7:28 pm, Dionisio <moc.rr.thgi... at (no spam) 5ellimd.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
juanjo <jonpe... at (no spam) mindspring.com> wrote:
Duke is correct that the lay populations of Roman Catholics have been
increasing.  There are currently 60 million Catholics in the United
States with huge increases in the West and South, mainly due to the
influx of HIspanics.  However his commentary about the number of
priests is just another lie from the Dukester.  Well perhaps not a lie
but rather wishful thinking on the part of the Dukester.

And the gaps are being filled by priests from Africa and Asia.  Now the ranks
will continue to grow as the married Episcopalians priest converts will be added
to the ranks of the RC priests.  To add to this, many married men of middle age
are becoming permanent deacons, and many widowers are moving to the priesthood.
Then too, the youth are starting to return now that the pedo problem has been
corrected.

Oh the irony...

"We are Americans, we are Christians, we value our religious convictions so much that
we're outsourcing the folks responsible for *our* indoctrination."

(Guess there ain't that many moral Americans... Gotta look overseas.... Literally.)

Also got a chuckle out the "the pedo problem has been corrected." In the 1950's it "didn't
exist." In the '80s it was known, but "dealt with." In recent years, we discovered that it
*did* exist in the '50s, and we discovered *some* of the reality of the '80s.

At least 70 years -- provable, mind -- of "expertise"... During which we can see the
shuffling, the denials, the subterfuges, oh heck: The lies.

But now we may rest assured that it's been dealt with... Dare one note that it has been
"dealt with" by the organization that gave us the word "propaganda"?

Makes ya feel all warm and cozy inside, don't it?
That is something the pedophile loving, catholic pervert earl will
never understand, the reason that so many get a laugh out of the
absurdity of a catholic saying that "it has been dealt with", or my
other earl the idiot quote, "the house has been cleaned".   earl is
little more than a buffoon.

You're easy to laugh at, notown.   You have no idea what has and is going on and
yet you pretend you do.  

You're easy to make a fool of, lying pedophile earl.  I know exactly
what is going on, and have slapped you in the face with it on several
occasions.  Your diversion and failure to address the points proves
that you are a pedophile lover, and probably a pedophile yourself.

No it doesn't.

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:28:51 -0500, Dionisio <moc.rr.thgi... at (no spam) 5ellimd.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
juanjo <jonpe... at (no spam) mindspring.com> wrote:
Duke is correct that the lay populations of Roman Catholics have been
increasing.  There are currently 60 million Catholics in the United
States with huge increases in the West and South, mainly due to the
influx of HIspanics.  However his commentary about the number of
priests is just another lie from the Dukester.  Well perhaps not a lie
but rather wishful thinking on the part of the Dukester.

And the gaps are being filled by priests from Africa and Asia.  Now the ranks
will continue to grow as the married Episcopalians priest converts will be added
to the ranks of the RC priests.  To add to this, many married men of middle age
are becoming permanent deacons, and many widowers are moving to the priesthood.
Then too, the youth are starting to return now that the pedo problem has been
corrected.

Oh the irony...

You didn't know all this, did you?

"We are Americans, we are Christians, we value our religious convictions so much that
we're outsourcing the folks responsible for *our* indoctrination."

Say what?

(Guess there ain't that many moral Americans... Gotta look overseas... Literally.)

Overseas didn't have the pedo problem.  And they are filling many vital spots as
the US priesthood recovers, and it is presently doing.

Man Dukie, you really are in complete denial aren't you? There have

**    The RCC reportedlyly teaches its priests that it is more sinful to
have sex with a female than with a male.  They also teach that children
simply outgrow sexual abuse,


I've heard that at least one of the pedophile priest that were
convicted made that very statement. Something along the lines of
"...they forget...". When he was pushed on the subject a little
further, he said that is what they taught him at the Our Lady of Grace
Seminary in Boston. When you get into really researching and looking
at these pedophile priest cases, the entire catholic organization is
rotten from the top up, and top down. It needs to be disbanded as an
obcenity to this country, and the world.

On Nov 4, 4:26 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:



On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:28:51 -0500, Dionisio <moc.rr.thgi... at (no spam) 5ellimd.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
juanjo <jonpe... at (no spam) mindspring.com> wrote:
Duke is correct that the lay populations of Roman Catholics have been
increasing.  There are currently 60 million Catholics in the United
States with huge increases in the West and South, mainly due to the
influx of HIspanics.  However his commentary about the number of
priests is just another lie from the Dukester.  Well perhaps not a lie
but rather wishful thinking on the part of the Dukester.

And the gaps are being filled by priests from Africa and Asia.  Now the ranks
will continue to grow as the married Episcopalians priest converts will be added
to the ranks of the RC priests.  To add to this, many married men of middle age
are becoming permanent deacons, and many widowers are moving to the priesthood.
Then too, the youth are starting to return now that the pedo problem has been
corrected.

Oh the irony...

You didn't know all this, did you?

"We are Americans, we are Christians, we value our religious convictions so much that
we're outsourcing the folks responsible for *our* indoctrination."

Say what?

(Guess there ain't that many moral Americans... Gotta look overseas... Literally.)

Overseas didn't have the pedo problem.  And they are filling many vital spots as
the US priesthood recovers, and it is presently doing.

Man Dukie, you really are in complete denial aren't you?  There have
been cases of priests molesting male and female children identified in
virtually every place where the Roman Catholic Church has parishes.
Canada has done a number of reports on this issue, particularly in
orphanages, or haven't you heard of the Mount Cashel Orphanage in
Newfoundland?  The Irish have been in the midst of a major brouhaha
over this issue for the better part of a year now.  A lengthy report
detailing cases of emotional, physical and sexual abuse of hundreds of
children over 70 years in Ireland was published on 20 May 2009.  The
report does not identify any of the offenders due to a right of
priovacy lawsuit brought by the Christian Brothers religious order.
Mexico has had allegations made and proven against child molesting
priests in Guadalajara, Mexico City and several other major cities.
In one of Mexico's most notorious abuse cases, the Vatican last year
ordered Father Marcial Maciel, the elderly founder of the Legionaries
of Christ, to retire to a life of prayer after former trainee priests
accused him of sexual abuses dating back to the 1940s.  Some
punishment!  The Marshall Islands, with a population of 60,000, for
the love of the Buddha has had reports concerning molestation in a
boarding school run by Catholic priests on Majuro. Meanwhile in Italy
- 67 former students from Verona's Antonio Provolo institute for the
deaf signed a statement alleging that sexual abuse, pedophilia and
corporal punishment occurred at the school from the 1950s to the 1980s
at the hands of priests and brothers of the Congregation for the
Company of Mary.  Argentina, Australia, the Philippines, Austria, the
list goes on an on.

I can understand you wanting to defend your church against charges
made against it but give me a break.  The real defense is that these
molestations were done by a relatively small number of individuals
over a long period of time.  Most Roman Catholic priests are decent
people.  The real shame in all this is the Church's hierarchy which
reacted as it always has when faced with negative news.  They huff and
puff, hike up their lace lined skirts and deny anything happened
publicly and shut everyone up in private with threats and pay offs.
It was not until some brave souls came forward and exposed this sick
mess for what it was that something meaningful was done about it.  The
church cover up was shameful but in truth it was the natural reaction
they have had for centuries to any issue that might have a negative
impact.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:12:19 -0800 (PST), Jimbo <ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:





On Nov 4, 12:55 pm, Les Hellawell <l... at (no spam) fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:38:01 -0800 (PST), Jimbo <ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:

On Nov 4, 7:28 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 17:48:26 -0800 (PST), Jimbo <ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 3, 7:28 pm, Dionisio <moc.rr.thgi... at (no spam) 5ellimd.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
juanjo <jonpe... at (no spam) mindspring.com> wrote:
Duke is correct that the lay populations of Roman Catholics have been
increasing.  There are currently 60 million Catholics in the United
States with huge increases in the West and South, mainly due to the
influx of HIspanics.  However his commentary about the number of
priests is just another lie from the Dukester.  Well perhaps not a lie
but rather wishful thinking on the part of the Dukester.

And the gaps are being filled by priests from Africa and Asia.  Now the ranks
will continue to grow as the married Episcopalians priest converts will be added
to the ranks of the RC priests.  To add to this, many married men of middle age
are becoming permanent deacons, and many widowers are moving to the priesthood.
Then too, the youth are starting to return now that the pedo problem has been
corrected.

Oh the irony...

"We are Americans, we are Christians, we value our religious convictions so much that
we're outsourcing the folks responsible for *our* indoctrination.."

(Guess there ain't that many moral Americans... Gotta look overseas... Literally.)

Also got a chuckle out the "the pedo problem has been corrected." In the 1950's it "didn't
exist." In the '80s it was known, but "dealt with." In recent years, we discovered that it
*did* exist in the '50s, and we discovered *some* of the reality of the '80s.

At least 70 years -- provable, mind -- of "expertise"... During which we can see the
shuffling, the denials, the subterfuges, oh heck: The lies.

But now we may rest assured that it's been dealt with... Dare one note that it has been
"dealt with" by the organization that gave us the word "propaganda"?

Makes ya feel all warm and cozy inside, don't it?
That is something the pedophile loving, catholic pervert earl will
never understand, the reason that so many get a laugh out of the
absurdity of a catholic saying that "it has been dealt with", or my
other earl the idiot quote, "the house has been cleaned".   earl is
little more than a buffoon.

You're easy to laugh at, notown.   You have no idea what has and is going on and
yet you pretend you do.  

You're easy to make a fool of, lying pedophile earl.  I know exactly
what is going on, and have slapped you in the face with it on several
occasions.  Your diversion and failure to address the points proves
that you are a pedophile lover, and probably a pedophile yourself.

No it doesn't.

Yes, it does.  Unless you followed the entire discussion in this and
previous thread, then how can you say that it doesn't prove such?

 His 'failure to adddess points' proves nothing.

On Nov 4, 7:28 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 17:48:26 -0800 (PST), Jimbo <ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 3, 7:28 pm, Dionisio <moc.rr.thgi... at (no spam) 5ellimd.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
juanjo <jonpe... at (no spam) mindspring.com> wrote:
Duke is correct that the lay populations of Roman Catholics have been
increasing.  There are currently 60 million Catholics in the United
States with huge increases in the West and South, mainly due to the
influx of HIspanics.  However his commentary about the number of
priests is just another lie from the Dukester.  Well perhaps not a lie
but rather wishful thinking on the part of the Dukester.

And the gaps are being filled by priests from Africa and Asia.  Now the ranks
will continue to grow as the married Episcopalians priest converts will be added
to the ranks of the RC priests.  To add to this, many married men of middle age
are becoming permanent deacons, and many widowers are moving to the priesthood.
Then too, the youth are starting to return now that the pedo problem has been
corrected.

Oh the irony...

"We are Americans, we are Christians, we value our religious convictions so much that
we're outsourcing the folks responsible for *our* indoctrination."

(Guess there ain't that many moral Americans... Gotta look overseas... Literally.)

Also got a chuckle out the "the pedo problem has been corrected." In the 1950's it "didn't
exist." In the '80s it was known, but "dealt with." In recent years, we discovered that it
*did* exist in the '50s, and we discovered *some* of the reality of the '80s.

At least 70 years -- provable, mind -- of "expertise"... During which we can see the
shuffling, the denials, the subterfuges, oh heck: The lies.

But now we may rest assured that it's been dealt with... Dare one note that it has been
"dealt with" by the organization that gave us the word "propaganda"?

Makes ya feel all warm and cozy inside, don't it?
That is something the pedophile loving, catholic pervert earl will
never understand, the reason that so many get a laugh out of the
absurdity of a catholic saying that "it has been dealt with", or my
other earl the idiot quote, "the house has been cleaned".   earl is
little more than a buffoon.

You're easy to laugh at, notown.   You have no idea what has and is going on and
yet you pretend you do.  

You're easy to make a fool of, lying pedophile earl. I know exactly
what is going on, and have slapped you in the face with it on several
occasions. Your diversion and failure to address the points proves
that you are a pedophile lover, and probably a pedophile yourself.

One fine day in alt.atheism, "J" <Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com> wrote:

Perhaps it is time to set a national standard for obscenity. This is one
time when it will be necessary to join church and state.

Why do you want to join church and state?  That goes against the Bill of
Rights, and the entire purpose of America.  What, are you an idiot?  
Perhaps you should renounce your American citizenship and move to Iran,
where your concept of theocracy would be widely accepted.

--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011

On Nov 4, 12:55 pm, Les Hellawell <l... at (no spam) fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:38:01 -0800 (PST), Jimbo <ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:





On Nov 4, 7:28 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 17:48:26 -0800 (PST), Jimbo <ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 3, 7:28 pm, Dionisio <moc.rr.thgi... at (no spam) 5ellimd.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
juanjo <jonpe... at (no spam) mindspring.com> wrote:
Duke is correct that the lay populations of Roman Catholics have been
increasing.  There are currently 60 million Catholics in the United
States with huge increases in the West and South, mainly due to the
influx of HIspanics.  However his commentary about the number of
priests is just another lie from the Dukester.  Well perhaps not a lie
but rather wishful thinking on the part of the Dukester.

And the gaps are being filled by priests from Africa and Asia.  Now the ranks
will continue to grow as the married Episcopalians priest converts will be added
to the ranks of the RC priests.  To add to this, many married men of middle age
are becoming permanent deacons, and many widowers are moving to the priesthood.
Then too, the youth are starting to return now that the pedo problem has been
corrected.

Oh the irony...

"We are Americans, we are Christians, we value our religious convictions so much that
we're outsourcing the folks responsible for *our* indoctrination."

(Guess there ain't that many moral Americans... Gotta look overseas... Literally.)

Also got a chuckle out the "the pedo problem has been corrected." In the 1950's it "didn't
exist." In the '80s it was known, but "dealt with." In recent years, we discovered that it
*did* exist in the '50s, and we discovered *some* of the reality of the '80s.

At least 70 years -- provable, mind -- of "expertise"... During which we can see the
shuffling, the denials, the subterfuges, oh heck: The lies.

But now we may rest assured that it's been dealt with... Dare one note that it has been
"dealt with" by the organization that gave us the word "propaganda"?

Makes ya feel all warm and cozy inside, don't it?
That is something the pedophile loving, catholic pervert earl will
never understand, the reason that so many get a laugh out of the
absurdity of a catholic saying that "it has been dealt with", or my
other earl the idiot quote, "the house has been cleaned".   earl is
little more than a buffoon.

You're easy to laugh at, notown.   You have no idea what has and is going on and
yet you pretend you do.  

You're easy to make a fool of, lying pedophile earl.  I know exactly
what is going on, and have slapped you in the face with it on several
occasions.  Your diversion and failure to address the points proves
that you are a pedophile lover, and probably a pedophile yourself.

No it doesn't.

Yes, it does. Unless you followed the entire discussion in this and
previous thread, then how can you say that it doesn't prove such?

On Oct 29, 9:59 pm, Uncle Vic <addr... at (no spam) withheld.com> wrote:

One fine day in alt.atheism, "J" <Jvisi... at (no spam) live.com> wrote:

Perhaps it is time to set a national standard for obscenity. This is one
time when it will be necessary to join church and state.

Why do you want to join church and state?  That goes against the Bill of
Rights, and the entire purpose of America.  What, are you an idiot?  
Perhaps you should renounce your American citizenship and move to Iran,
where your concept of theocracy would be widely accepted.

--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011

Oddly enough, I can't remember hearing any protests when the Methodist
church teamed up with the Democrat party to advocate the Tobacco
Control Act of 2009 that President Obama recently signed into law.

And also discovered was the fact that the problem was no more prevalent than
with your youth leaders, coaches, teachers, baby sitters, etc.

Dionisio <moc.rr.thgisni at (no spam) 5ellimd.com> wrote:
"We are Americans, we are Christians, we value our religious convictions so much that
we're outsourcing the folks responsible for *our* indoctrination."

Say what?

(Guess there ain't that many moral Americans... Gotta look overseas... Literally.)

Overseas didn't have the pedo problem. And they are filling many vital spots as
the US priesthood recovers, and it is presently doing.

Also got a chuckle out the "the pedo problem has been corrected." In the 1950's it "didn't
exist." In the '80s it was known, but "dealt with." In recent years, we discovered that it
*did* exist in the '50s, and we discovered *some* of the reality of the '80s.

And also discovered was the fact that the problem was no more prevalent than
with your youth leaders, coaches, teachers, baby sitters, etc.

duke wrote:
Dionisio <moc.rr.thgi... at (no spam) 5ellimd.com> wrote:
"We are Americans, we are Christians, we value our religious convictions so much that
we're outsourcing the folks responsible for *our* indoctrination."

Say what?

Christianity should spread, I think I've heard that.

Christianity should find and cultivate leaders within the new places it arises and takes
root, yes?

Outsourcing leadership to Nigeria because none of this land's populace seems capable of
being Christian leaders... That's the outsourcing of Christian indoctrination.

Tell me you can't grasp that.

(I may well believe you, but that's another matter.)

(Guess there ain't that many moral Americans... Gotta look overseas... Literally.)

Overseas didn't have the pedo problem.  And they are filling many vital spots as
the US priesthood recovers, and it is presently doing.

ROTFL!!!

The only land that *didn't* -- and apparently *doesn't* -- have that problem is Antarctica.

Europe, Africa, Asia, the Americas, Australia, all had and still do have it. It's even in
Vatican City, right now.

Also got a chuckle out the "the pedo problem has been corrected." In the 1950's it "didn't
exist." In the '80s it was known, but "dealt with." In recent years, we discovered that it
*did* exist in the '50s, and we discovered *some* of the reality of the '80s.

And also discovered was the fact that the problem was no more prevalent than
with your youth leaders, coaches, teachers, baby sitters, etc.

ROTFL!!!

You keep telling yourself that.

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:38:01 -0800 (PST), Jimbo <ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
You're easy to laugh at, notown.   You have no idea what has and is going on and
yet you pretend you do.  
You're easy to make a fool of, lying pedophile earl.  I know exactly
what is going on, and have slapped you in the face with it on several
occasions.

You can't even remember those great moments in your life

 Your diversion and failure to address the points proves
that you are a pedophile lover, and probably a pedophile yourself.

We can always return to your first attempt

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:55:08 +0000, Les Hellawell <l... at (no spam) fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:38:01 -0800 (PST), Jimbo <ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:

On Nov 4, 7:28 am, duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 17:48:26 -0800 (PST), Jimbo <ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 3, 7:28 pm, Dionisio <moc.rr.thgi... at (no spam) 5ellimd.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
juanjo <jonpe... at (no spam) mindspring.com> wrote:
Duke is correct that the lay populations of Roman Catholics have been
increasing.  There are currently 60 million Catholics in the United
States with huge increases in the West and South, mainly due to the
influx of HIspanics.  However his commentary about the number of
priests is just another lie from the Dukester.  Well perhaps not a lie
but rather wishful thinking on the part of the Dukester.

And the gaps are being filled by priests from Africa and Asia.  Now the ranks
will continue to grow as the married Episcopalians priest converts will be added
to the ranks of the RC priests.  To add to this, many married men of middle age
are becoming permanent deacons, and many widowers are moving to the priesthood.
Then too, the youth are starting to return now that the pedo problem has been
corrected.

Oh the irony...

"We are Americans, we are Christians, we value our religious convictions so much that
we're outsourcing the folks responsible for *our* indoctrination."

(Guess there ain't that many moral Americans... Gotta look overseas... Literally.)

Also got a chuckle out the "the pedo problem has been corrected." In the 1950's it "didn't
exist." In the '80s it was known, but "dealt with." In recent years, we discovered that it
*did* exist in the '50s, and we discovered *some* of the reality of the '80s.

At least 70 years -- provable, mind -- of "expertise"... During which we can see the
shuffling, the denials, the subterfuges, oh heck: The lies.

But now we may rest assured that it's been dealt with... Dare one note that it has been
"dealt with" by the organization that gave us the word "propaganda"?

Makes ya feel all warm and cozy inside, don't it?
That is something the pedophile loving, catholic pervert earl will
never understand, the reason that so many get a laugh out of the
absurdity of a catholic saying that "it has been dealt with", or my
other earl the idiot quote, "the house has been cleaned".   earl is
little more than a buffoon.

You're easy to laugh at, notown.   You have no idea what has and is going on and
yet you pretend you do.  

You're easy to make a fool of, lying pedophile earl.  I know exactly
what is going on, and have slapped you in the face with it on several
occasions.  Your diversion and failure to address the points proves
that you are a pedophile lover, and probably a pedophile yourself.
No it doesn't. Charging somebody with being a pedophile is
a serious matter. If you have evidence then tell the Police
otherwise do not do it, it is wrong.

And he is wrong.  And I'm betting he's too self centered to understand that.

True he does try to give the impression that there is no problem
and everything is coming up roses but his intention is to defend
the church not the criminals concerned . Misplaced in my view. He
would get more respect if he acknowledged the problem and
demanded his church clean up its act and is seen so to do.

I have demanded the Church clean up the house, and it has done so already..