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| Uh-huh... |
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| Clown John Burke... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:16 am |
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Quote: Paper: Afghanistan is a textbook example of how a small, ill-equipped guerrilla force and defeat the most powerful army.
The conclusions are all incorrect. This "Paper" is a simple
propaganda piece. |
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| lorad... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:44 am |
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On Oct 28, 11:16 am, Clown John Burke <clown_john_bu... at (no spam) hotmail.com>
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Quote: Paper: Afghanistan is a textbook example of how a small, ill-equipped guerrilla force and defeat the most powerful army.
The conclusions are all incorrect. This "Paper" is a simple
propaganda piece.
The mongol hordes invaded and conquered and held Iran, Iraq, the rest
of the middle east and huge chunks of Europe...
But they never defeated the Afghans. |
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| snakehawk... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:02 am |
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On Oct 28, 9:03 am, Uh-huh <thylacoleo-carni... at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
Quote: Okay, America. You can't beat 'em with a 12-to-1 advantage. How about
15-to-1? Send in the roadside bomb fodder!http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33497244/ns/world_news-south_and_central_...
The US forces in Afghanistan are carrying out their mission with
astonishing success. It's just that most Americans haven't figured
out just what that mission is. So. let's consider: a recent PBS
documentary followed a marine unit in Southern Afghanistan as it
carried out its mission. The mission, according to the commander, was
to protect the opium poppy fields from being destroyed and to protect
the farmers from harassment by the Taliban.
The marines would occasionally "patrol" the area. The mission, again
according to the unit commander, was to draw out the Taliban, to
induce them to attack. The PBS program even recorded an attack.
Marines, walking out in the open, were suddenly fired upon by enemies
who could not be seen. The well trained marines dove for cover and
started firing back in the general direction of the enemy fire. Then
it ended, and the marines returned to base right in the middle of
acres of blooming opium poppy fields.
The documentary showed the marine commander talking with the local
farmers. Dirt poor, helpless, and with little hope, the farmers make
pennies harvesting opium to be shipped to Europe and the United
States. The marines assured the farmers that their opium crops were
safe. At regular intervals, trucks arrived to pick up the raw opium
for delivery to heroin laboratories in Pakistan. Private contractors
hired by the CIA guard the opium convoys.
A recent report by international news agencies disclosed that US Drug
Enforcement Agency operatives accompany US forces in attacks on
Taliban positions. The attacks were apparently planned and directed
by the DEA. It's sort of a war on drugs, or rather a war for drugs,
with the Taliban interfering with the smooth flow of opium to
market.
The success of the military mission in Afghanistan can be guaged by
the amount of opium reaching the market. The Taliban had effectively
shut down the opium trade in Afghanistan. The opium production in
Afghanistan had fallen by over 95 percent when the Republican
administration under George W. Bush decided to send in the troops.
Today, thanks almost entirely to the work of young American soldiers,
the opium fields of Afghanistan are blooming as never before, and the
flow of opium has increased thousands of times. Afghanistan went from
almost no opium to the leading producer of opium in the world. It's a
military success story unequaled in modern times. When government
leaders give US soldiers a job to do, they usually do it very well. |
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| Jake Havoc... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:18 pm |
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| gb... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:32 pm |
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On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:44:43 -0700 (PDT), lorad <lorad474 at (no spam) cs.com>
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Quote: On Oct 28, 11:16 am, Clown John Burke <clown_john_bu... at (no spam) hotmail.com
wrote:
Paper: Afghanistan is a textbook example of how a small, ill-equipped guerrilla force and defeat the most powerful army.
The conclusions are all incorrect. This "Paper" is a simple
propaganda piece.
The mongol hordes invaded and conquered and held Iran, Iraq, the rest
of the middle east and huge chunks of Europe...
But they never defeated the Afghans.
Neither did the Pommies or the Commies. |
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| Alex DeLarge... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:37 pm |
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gb wrote:
Quote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:44:43 -0700 (PDT), lorad <lorad474 at (no spam) cs.com
wrote:
On Oct 28, 11:16 am, Clown John Burke <clown_john_bu... at (no spam) hotmail.com
wrote:
Paper: Afghanistan is a textbook example of how a small, ill-equipped guerrilla force and defeat the most powerful army.
The conclusions are all incorrect. This "Paper" is a simple
propaganda piece.
The mongol hordes invaded and conquered and held Iran, Iraq, the rest
of the middle east and huge chunks of Europe...
But they never defeated the Afghans.
Neither did the Pommies or the Commies.
When ya going postal Dondi?
Message ID: <ubisc5h6ti7g43kg0k41c9jp2s9vdi46jg at (no spam) 4ax.com>
10/8/2009 2:32 PM
Quote: gb <gb at (no spam) amusenet.com> wrote in
news:eecsc5lhaq5ieecqmact5h065eraspjaja at (no spam) 4ax.com:
I remember both the Manx and the Tow'd rather well. But as for
putting them into the forests, not a good idea then, and still isn't.
Not sure what you mean here. Forests in one state do not reflect
forests
in many other states. Are you referring to them as very leafy compact
areas with many close together trees or are you referring to them as
the
Forest Service does and that is an appellation?
Whatever works where you are. What I'm concerned about is not so much
that the Sportsmen drive them on roads for hunting, park them and get
off and wander the woods trying to kill Bambi or something.
It's the idiots that drive them Off Road -- making new trails where
there ought to be none, cutting donuts in the swamps, leaving ruts for
generations, etc.
If the idiots who drive the ATVs of any sort wouldn't conduct
themselves like fools and drunks, that'd be one thing. But no -- they
seem to Have to wander off into places where they ought not to be.
Quote: The fat tires worked well If you kept them at low pressure in the
dunes.
Not necessarily. If you were running strictly dunes, yes, tire
pressures
were lowered. However, if you were running them in mixed environments,
they usually weren't lowered.....at least not to the point of pure sand
running. One would drop the pressure to 18-20 lbs, not 10 -12.
Those in
mixed environments also didn't usually need the tires screwed to the
rims.
Best simply not to mix purposes at all. A bunch of Dune buggies never
saw a Dune at all, and wouldn't have done well in them, had the
drivers known how to use them -- which many did not. And wrt the ATVs,
demonstrably still don't.
Quote: In many areas of Arizona it was the only way into some of those
areas
and they caused much less damages than jeeps, broncos and power
wagons.
Ban 'em all, sez I! Which is now starting to happen in many national
forests, and I quite approve. They tend to be driven by fools -- a
bunch of them drunks.
You should really find another set of friends. 
Not my friends, clearly. Never used one, and wouldn't. Have
considered, once I'm well into my dotage, taking one of the target
rifles and a Gillie Suit into the woods, and simply offing a bunch of
them as far from anything as is possible.
Society would suffer no great loss thereby, seems to me. |
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| Curt... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:07 pm |
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On Oct 28, 11:02 am, snakehawk <snakeh... at (no spam) MailAndNews.com> wrote:
Quote: The success of the military mission in Afghanistan can be guaged by
the amount of opium reaching the market. The Taliban had effectively
shut down the opium trade in Afghanistan.
No no no no. They were stockpiling it, but they had not shut it down.
Which is fine, in my book. Who gives a crap about heroin, compared to
wiping out the Talibs and AQ?
Curt |
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| Curt... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:10 pm |
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On Oct 29, 6:34 pm, Alex DeLarge <kor... at (no spam) milk.bar> wrote:
Quote: Curt wrote:
On Oct 28, 11:02 am, snakehawk <snakeh... at (no spam) MailAndNews.com> wrote:
The success of the military mission in Afghanistan can be guaged by
the amount of opium reaching the market. The Taliban had effectively
shut down the opium trade in Afghanistan.
No no no no. They were stockpiling it, but they had not shut it down.
Which is fine, in my book. Who gives a crap about heroin, compared to
wiping out the Talibs and AQ?
Curt
Uh...dummy...think FUNDING!
You know what, squirt? I really find it amusing when someone like YOU
-- the overly credulous cheerleader for Iraqi WMDs, barely breaking-
even shale oil, "death panels", silly marijuana rules, Saddam-blew-up-
the-WTC theories, Kenyan birth certificates, imaginary cellulosic
ethanol and a million other debunked rightwing idiocies -- calls
anyone "dummy".
Just sayin'.
Now, as far as the Talibs and their heroin storehouses -- are you
saying I'm wrong and they HAD wiped out the poppy trade?
Curt |
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| Alex DeLarge... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:34 pm |
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Curt wrote:
Quote: On Oct 28, 11:02 am, snakehawk <snakeh... at (no spam) MailAndNews.com> wrote:
The success of the military mission in Afghanistan can be guaged by
the amount of opium reaching the market. The Taliban had effectively
shut down the opium trade in Afghanistan.
No no no no. They were stockpiling it, but they had not shut it down.
Which is fine, in my book. Who gives a crap about heroin, compared to
wiping out the Talibs and AQ?
Curt
Uh...dummy...think FUNDING!
Sheesh! |
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| Alex DeLarge... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:33 am |
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Curt wrote:
Quote: On Oct 29, 6:34 pm, Alex DeLarge <kor... at (no spam) milk.bar> wrote:
Curt wrote:
On Oct 28, 11:02 am, snakehawk <snakeh... at (no spam) MailAndNews.com> wrote:
The success of the military mission in Afghanistan can be guaged by
the amount of opium reaching the market. The Taliban had effectively
shut down the opium trade in Afghanistan.
No no no no. They were stockpiling it, but they had not shut it down.
Which is fine, in my book. Who gives a crap about heroin, compared to
wiping out the Talibs and AQ?
Curt
Uh...dummy...think FUNDING!
You know what, squirt? I really find it amusing when someone like YOU
-- the overly credulous cheerleader for Iraqi WMDs,
Proved conclusively.
Quote: barely breaking- even shale oil,
Dependent on per barrel prevailing market rates.
Ezekiel Emmanuel.
Quote: silly marijuana rules,
Right, drug laws are "silly"...
Quote: Saddam-blew-up-
the-WTC theories,
Uh, WHEN did I EVER say that?
Cite?
Quote: Kenyan birth certificates,
No such thing.
Quote: imaginary cellulosic
ethanol
What's imaginary about it?
Quote: and a million other debunked rightwing idiocies -- calls
anyone "dummy".
You sure flail like a beached tuna.
Just stupid, as always.
Quote: Now, as far as the Talibs and their heroin storehouses -- are you
saying I'm wrong and they HAD wiped out the poppy trade?
No one wipes it out, period.
Sometimes it has been lower.
How great have the Taliban been for women?
Or don't you give a FUCK about their oppression? |
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| Curt... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:55 pm |
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On Oct 30, 9:33 am, Alex DeLarge <kor... at (no spam) milk.bar> wrote:
Quote: Now, as far as the Talibs and their heroin storehouses -- are you
saying I'm wrong and they HAD wiped out the poppy trade?
No one wipes it out, period.
Sometimes it has been lower.
It was -- for a while. The Taliban was warehousing the stuff.
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How great have the Taliban been for women?
Or don't you give a FUCK about their oppression?
We were talking about opium, not oppressed women. Do try to stay on
topic.
Curt |
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| Alex DeLarge... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:04 pm |
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Curt wrote:
Quote: On Oct 30, 9:33 am, Alex DeLarge <kor... at (no spam) milk.bar> wrote:
Now, as far as the Talibs and their heroin storehouses -- are you
saying I'm wrong and they HAD wiped out the poppy trade?
No one wipes it out, period.
Sometimes it has been lower.
It was -- for a while. The Taliban was warehousing the stuff.
true.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/09/15/afghanistan.opium.trade/index.html
Quote: How great have the Taliban been for women?
Or don't you give a FUCK about their oppression?
We were talking about opium, not oppressed women. Do try to stay on
topic.
We're talking the whole gamut. |
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| Curt... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:47 am |
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On Oct 30, 3:04 pm, Alex DeLarge <kor... at (no spam) milk.bar> wrote:
Quote: Curt wrote:
On Oct 30, 9:33 am, Alex DeLarge <kor... at (no spam) milk.bar> wrote:
Now, as far as the Talibs and their heroin storehouses -- are you
saying I'm wrong and they HAD wiped out the poppy trade?
No one wipes it out, period.
Sometimes it has been lower.
It was -- for a while. The Taliban was warehousing the stuff.
true.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/09/15/afghanistan.opium.trade/i...
How great have the Taliban been for women?
Or don't you give a FUCK about their oppression?
We were talking about opium, not oppressed women. Do try to stay on
topic.
We're talking the whole gamut.
All I wanted to address was the heroin part. If having our soldiers
protect a poppy field to deny it to the Talibs, I'm fine with that.
There's important, and there's unimportant. I care very little about
poppies. But I like seeing the Taliban lose money and influence. (And
guys, too -- that's always heartwarming.)
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:40 am |
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The Taliban had banned opium production and was
reducing it, substantially, so Bush had to stop them.
"The Taliban instituted a strict Islamist policy against
the opium trade during the final years of their regime,
and by the time of their overthrow they had virtually
eliminated it"
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/07/09/070709fa_fact_anderson |
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