On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:28:22 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon
CurlySurmudgeon at (no spam) live.com> wrote:

On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:26:40 -0500, Cliff
Clhuprichguesswhat at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:

On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:50:18 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon
CurlySurmudgeon at (no spam) live.com> wrote:

On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 03:46:21 -0500, Cliff
Clhuprichguesswhat at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:05:03 -0700, Winston_Smith
not_real at (no spam) bogus.net> wrote:

"Disassemble". That means to not tell the truth.

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

What a relief.
Disassemble means "to take apart".
Have you ever considered getting anything right or
not lying?
Wingers .... <sheesh> ....

Yeah, I caught and replied to that one too but if you read on Winston
explained how it was a repeat of Bush's misuse of English.

I saw that later.
Hero worship?

Hardly, back off, Cliff. Winston has been pretty consistent and has
never been a bushbot. He extends the same revulsion to both parties
rather than to just one.

Even if you don't agree with him you have to respect his consistency.

True but I don't see blaming the new guy for what the old guys did
just yet.

Much is in the intentions & the old guys clearly did not have our best
interests in mind.

Cliff <Clhuprichguessw... at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:28:22 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:26:40 -0500, Cliff wrote:
On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:50:18 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 03:46:21 -0500, Cliff wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:05:03 -0700, Winston_Smith wrote:
"Disassemble".  That means to not tell the truth.

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

  What a relief.
  Disassemble means "to take apart".
  Have you ever considered getting anything right or
not lying?
  Wingers .... <sheesh> ....

Yeah, I caught and replied to that one too but if you read on Winston
explained how it was a repeat of Bush's misuse of English.

  I saw that later.
  Hero worship?

Can't get off a post without some political cheap shot can you?  How
on earth can you say I worship Bush as a hero when I spent six years
bitching about him.  And you were right there agreeing with what I
posted so you can't plead ignorance.

Hardly, back off, Cliff.  Winston has been pretty consistent and has
never been a bushbot.  He extends the same revulsion to both parties
rather than to just one.

Even if you don't agree with him you have to respect his consistency.

 True but I don't see blaming the new guy for what the old guys did just yet.
 Much is in the intentions & the old guys clearly did not have our best
interests in mind.

That Bush created a dozen disasters?  Agreed.  That Obama inherited
them?  Agreed.

But that said, Obama's policies to deal with those disasters has been
mostly a carbon copy of what Bush did - with escalation.

The exception is this in my book.  Bush was a massive spender.  A
"borrow and spend" liberal of the R variety as opposed to "tax and
spend" liberals if you are of the D persuasion.  But Obama has pushed
the spending to vastly higher limits and found a whole bunch of new
things to spend on.  Perhaps some of them would be worth working on in
a vibrant, producing country that had it's financial house in order.
In the existing economic climate, it's pouring gasoline on the fire.

So, no I don't blame Obama for the disasters given to him by Bush, but
I do hold him accountable for his choices of how to go forward.  I
think he has taken to heart the old advice to never waste a good
crisis and is using it to push through a string of programs that
border on socialist - programs that would not have been give a moments
hearing by the public if they were not up against the wall.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:05:03 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real at (no spam) bogus.net> wrote:


The way the law in Arizona is written, even if Ron Paul had found a
way to win, he would not have won because he wasn't approved by the
official party powers. Voting is not what it used to be.

Saw Ron Paul on the TV news today.
Per him gummer should be dead & happy to be dead.

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:05:03 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real at (no spam) bogus.net> wrote:

"Disassemble". That means to not tell the truth.

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

What a relief.
Disassemble means "to take apart".
Have you ever considered getting anything right or not lying?
Wingers .... <sheesh> ....

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:28:22 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:26:40 -0500, Cliff wrote:
On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:50:18 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 03:46:21 -0500, Cliff wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:05:03 -0700, Winston_Smith wrote:

"Disassemble". That means to not tell the truth.

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

What a relief.
Disassemble means "to take apart".
Have you ever considered getting anything right or
not lying?
Wingers .... <sheesh> ....

Yeah, I caught and replied to that one too but if you read on Winston
explained how it was a repeat of Bush's misuse of English.

I saw that later.
Hero worship?

Hardly, back off, Cliff. Winston has been pretty consistent and has
never been a bushbot. He extends the same revulsion to both parties
rather than to just one.

Even if you don't agree with him you have to respect his consistency.

True but I don't see blaming the new guy for what the old guys did just yet.
Much is in the intentions & the old guys clearly did not have our best
interests in mind.

On Nov 3, 11:39 pm, Winston_Smith <not_r... at (no spam) bogus.net> wrote:
Cliff <Clhuprichguessw... at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
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But that said, Obama's policies to deal with those disasters has been
mostly a carbon copy of what Bush did - with escalation.

The exception is this in my book. Bush was a massive spender. A
"borrow and spend" liberal of the R variety as opposed to "tax and
spend" liberals if you are of the D persuasion. But Obama has pushed
the spending to vastly higher limits and found a whole bunch of new
things to spend on. Perhaps some of them would be worth working on in
a vibrant, producing country that had it's financial house in order.
In the existing economic climate, it's pouring gasoline on the fire.

So, no I don't blame Obama for the disasters given to him by Bush, but
I do hold him accountable for his choices of how to go forward. I
think he has taken to heart the old advice to never waste a good
crisis and is using it to push through a string of programs that
border on socialist - programs that would not have been give a moments
hearing by the public if they were not up against the wall.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As fair a comment as ever appeared here. Is Obama getting bogged down
in dialogue and trying to gain a consensus, or is he lost in knowing
what to do and becoming indecisive ?

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:52:31 -0500, Cliff
Clhuprichguesswhat at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:28:22 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon
CurlySurmudgeon at (no spam) live.com> wrote:

On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:26:40 -0500, Cliff
Clhuprichguesswhat at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:

On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:50:18 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon
CurlySurmudgeon at (no spam) live.com> wrote:

On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 03:46:21 -0500, Cliff
Clhuprichguesswhat at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:05:03 -0700, Winston_Smith
not_real at (no spam) bogus.net> wrote:

"Disassemble". That means to not tell the truth.

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

What a relief.
Disassemble means "to take apart".
Have you ever considered getting anything right or
not lying?
Wingers .... <sheesh> ....

Yeah, I caught and replied to that one too but if you read on Winston
explained how it was a repeat of Bush's misuse of English.

I saw that later.
Hero worship?

Hardly, back off, Cliff. Winston has been pretty consistent and has
never been a bushbot. He extends the same revulsion to both parties
rather than to just one.

Even if you don't agree with him you have to respect his consistency.

True but I don't see blaming the new guy for what the old guys did
just yet.

Same here but I'm having an increasingly difficult time resisting an
outpouring of rejection on other issues myself. The economy is, and must
be, primary. The economy is coming along but as a mortal its
excruciatingly slow.

Remember, I didn't vote for Obama either.

Much is in the intentions & the old guys clearly did not have our best
interests in mind.

No shit, sherlock. And I say that in a non-insulting, sarcastic, sense.
Also consider Palin as one of the "old guys" in platform and goals.

Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:05:03 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real at (no spam) bogus.net> wrote:


The way the law in Arizona is written, even if Ron Paul had found a
way to win, he would not have won because he wasn't approved by the
official party powers. Voting is not what it used to be.

Saw Ron Paul on the TV news today.
Per him gummer should be dead & happy to be dead.

Given your penchant for misunderstanding and misquoting I'll pass
commenting on that.

Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:05:03 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real at (no spam) bogus.net> wrote:

"Disassemble". That means to not tell the truth.

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

What a relief.
Disassemble means "to take apart".
Have you ever considered getting anything right or not lying?
Wingers .... <sheesh> ....

As a winger of the left variety, you should have recognized a Bush
quote. I'm bitterly disappointed in your limited memory of the
political scene you liked to comment on so much.

http://humor.beecy.net/politics/bushisms/disassemble/
"It seemed like to me they based some of their decisions on the word
of - and the allegations - by people who were held in detention,
people who hate America, people that had been trained
in some instances to disassemble - that means not tell the truth."

-President George W. Bush, on an Amnesty International report on
prisoner abuse at Guantanamo Bay, Washington, D.C., May 31, 2005

http://humor.beecy.net/politics/bushisms/disassemble/bush-disassemble.mp3

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4598109.stm
Mr Bush said its accusations therefore stemmed from "people who hate
America, people that have been trained in some instances to
disassemble, that means not tell the truth".

Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:28:22 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:26:40 -0500, Cliff wrote:
On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:50:18 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 03:46:21 -0500, Cliff wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:05:03 -0700, Winston_Smith wrote:

"Disassemble". That means to not tell the truth.

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

What a relief.
Disassemble means "to take apart".
Have you ever considered getting anything right or
not lying?
Wingers .... <sheesh> ....

Yeah, I caught and replied to that one too but if you read on Winston
explained how it was a repeat of Bush's misuse of English.

I saw that later.
Hero worship?

Can't get off a post without some political cheap shot can you? How
on earth can you say I worship Bush as a hero when I spent six years
bitching about him. And you were right there agreeing with what I
posted so you can't plead ignorance.

Hardly, back off, Cliff. Winston has been pretty consistent and has
never been a bushbot. He extends the same revulsion to both parties
rather than to just one.

Even if you don't agree with him you have to respect his consistency.

True but I don't see blaming the new guy for what the old guys did just yet.
Much is in the intentions & the old guys clearly did not have our best
interests in mind.

That Bush created a dozen disasters? Agreed. That Obama inherited
them? Agreed.

But that said, Obama's policies to deal with those disasters has been
mostly a carbon copy of what Bush did - with escalation.

The exception is this in my book. Bush was a massive spender. A
"borrow and spend" liberal of the R variety as opposed to "tax and
spend" liberals if you are of the D persuasion. But Obama has pushed
the spending to vastly higher limits and found a whole bunch of new
things to spend on. Perhaps some of them would be worth working on in
a vibrant, producing country that had it's financial house in order.
In the existing economic climate, it's pouring gasoline on the fire.

So, no I don't blame Obama for the disasters given to him by Bush, but
I do hold him accountable for his choices of how to go forward. I
think he has taken to heart the old advice to never waste a good
crisis and is using it to push through a string of programs that
border on socialist - programs that would not have been give a moments
hearing by the public if they were not up against the wall.

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 03:35:43 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon
CurlySurmudgeon at (no spam) live.com> wrote:

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:52:31 -0500, Cliff
Clhuprichguesswhat at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:28:22 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon
CurlySurmudgeon at (no spam) live.com> wrote:

On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:26:40 -0500, Cliff
Clhuprichguesswhat at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:

On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:50:18 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon
CurlySurmudgeon at (no spam) live.com> wrote:

On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 03:46:21 -0500, Cliff
Clhuprichguesswhat at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:05:03 -0700, Winston_Smith
not_real at (no spam) bogus.net> wrote:

"Disassemble". That means to not tell the truth.

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

What a relief.
Disassemble means "to take apart".
Have you ever considered getting anything right or
not lying?
Wingers .... <sheesh> ....

Yeah, I caught and replied to that one too but if you read on
Winston explained how it was a repeat of Bush's misuse of English.

I saw that later.
Hero worship?

Hardly, back off, Cliff. Winston has been pretty consistent and has
never been a bushbot. He extends the same revulsion to both parties
rather than to just one.

Even if you don't agree with him you have to respect his consistency.

True but I don't see blaming the new guy for what the old guys did
just yet.

Same here but I'm having an increasingly difficult time resisting an
outpouring of rejection on other issues myself. The economy is, and
must be, primary. The economy is coming along but as a mortal its
excruciatingly slow.

Seemingly so but the other risk is massive debt & hyper-inflation
followed by a bad crash.
After the rethug debts of 11 trillion how much more current debt
is affordable?
Obama's folks seem to be keeping it down, all things considered
(such as huge losses to write down & less tax collected).

Remember, I didn't vote for Obama either.

Much is in the intentions & the old guys clearly did not have our best
interests in mind.

No shit, sherlock. And I say that in a non-insulting, sarcastic, sense.
Also consider Palin as one of the "old guys" in platform and goals.

She was too stupid other than as a sock puppet which is clearly
what they had in mind for her.

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:44:51 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real at (no spam) bogus.net> wrote:
Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:05:03 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real at (no spam) bogus.net> wrote:

"Disassemble". That means to not tell the truth.

Disassemble means "to take apart".
Have you ever considered getting anything right or not lying?
Wingers .... <sheesh> ....

As a winger of the left variety, you should have recognized a Bush
quote. I'm bitterly disappointed in your limited memory of the
political scene you liked to comment on so much.

http://humor.beecy.net/politics/bushisms/disassemble/
http://humor.beecy.net/politics/bushisms/disassemble/bush-disassemble.mp3
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4598109.stm

Wingers learn big words from bushco speachwriters.

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:36:07 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real at (no spam) bogus.net> wrote:

Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:05:03 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real at (no spam) bogus.net> wrote:


The way the law in Arizona is written, even if Ron Paul had found a
way to win, he would not have won because he wasn't approved by the
official party powers. Voting is not what it used to be.

Saw Ron Paul on the TV news today.
Per him gummer should be dead & happy to be dead.

Given your penchant for misunderstanding and misquoting I'll pass
commenting on that.

I quoted exactly & provided a link IIRC.
Why is gummer still living?

Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:36:07 -0700, Winston_Smith
not_real at (no spam) bogus.net> wrote:

Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:05:03 -0700, Winston_Smith
not_real at (no spam) bogus.net> wrote:


The way the law in Arizona is written, even if Ron Paul had found
a
way to win, he would not have won because he wasn't approved by
the
official party powers. Voting is not what it used to be.

Saw Ron Paul on the TV news today.
Per him gummer should be dead & happy to be dead.

Given your penchant for misunderstanding and misquoting I'll pass
commenting on that.

I quoted exactly & provided a link IIRC.
Why is gummer still living?

Ron Paul actually mentioned Gunner by name?

Wow, the guy is famous. He can raise his rates now. TMT tells us
Gunner is why the Ds lost so badly on Tuesday, so I think Gunner can
probably double his rates.
..

Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:44:51 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real at (no spam) bogus.net> wrote:
Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:05:03 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real at (no spam) bogus.net> wrote:

"Disassemble". That means to not tell the truth.

Disassemble means "to take apart".
Have you ever considered getting anything right or not lying?
Wingers .... <sheesh> ....

As a winger of the left variety, you should have recognized a Bush
quote. I'm bitterly disappointed in your limited memory of the
political scene you liked to comment on so much.

http://humor.beecy.net/politics/bushisms/disassemble/
http://humor.beecy.net/politics/bushisms/disassemble/bush-disassemble.mp3
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4598109.stm

Wingers learn big words from bushco speachwriters.

Apparently left wingers don't learn to spell "speech writers". I'm
guessing you are a public school graduate.