so I typically vote for the most fiscally-conservative
social progressive.

so I typically vote for the most fiscally-conservative
social progressive.

Blink blink..then Pelosi, Barny Frank and Hillary are your top picks..

Right?

I want to see a socially-progressive party that promotes economically
viable policies. Right now, that leaves me out in the cold....

I also live in a region that wouldn't exist if it were not for the
military bases in this area. Do I know a few Republicans? Ya' tink? I
work around hundreds of them every day! Some good enough to accept my
viewpoints, many want to paint a bulls-eye on my back.

On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 07:50:29 -0800, TinLizziedl <nothere at (no spam) donttry.com
wrote:


I want to see a socially-progressive party that promotes economically
viable policies. Right now, that leaves me out in the cold....

Thats never going to happen. Socially Progressive is a buzz word for
Socialist. Socialists are never economically viable. They are nearly
Marxists.

I also live in a region that wouldn't exist if it were not for the
military bases in this area. Do I know a few Republicans? Ya' tink? I
work around hundreds of them every day! Some good enough to accept my
viewpoints, many want to paint a bulls-eye on my back.

After reading your posts..I can fully understand why they would be
bringing the paint.

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice; moderation in the
pursuit of justice is no virtue."


Gunner

I
get lumped in with them because of my social views, not my fiscal ones.

After reading your posts..I can fully understand why they would be
bringing the paint.

Because they are becoming more intolerant? Because many spout simple-
minded bs that they've been indoctrinated with rather than give rational
explainations for their beliefs? I happen to feel that, "Cause God Said
It In The Bible!!" is not a rational explaination for why they belive
they can legislate their brand of morality.

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice; moderation in the
pursuit of justice is no virtue."


Gunner

TinLizziedl <nothere at (no spam) donttry.com> wrote in news:MPG.255f583c945944cb989768
at (no spam) news.west.earthlink.net:

I
get lumped in with them because of my social views, not my fiscal ones.



Your Socialist views mark you as a Socialist.

Your "Progressive" wish marks you as an Apprentice Communist.

Both mark you as an Enemy of Free Men.

TinLizziedl <nothere at (no spam) donttry.com> wrote in news:MPG.255f583c945944cb989768
at (no spam) news.west.earthlink.net:

I
get lumped in with them because of my social views, not my fiscal ones.



Your Socialist views mark you as a Socialist.

Your "Progressive" wish marks you as an Apprentice Communist.

In article <Xns9CBC826F9650Eragon at (no spam) 74.209.131.10>, Eregon
Eragon at (no spam) Saphira.org> wrote:

TinLizziedl <nothere at (no spam) donttry.com> wrote in news:MPG.255f583c945944cb989768
at (no spam) news.west.earthlink.net:

I
get lumped in with them because of my social views, not my fiscal ones.



Your Socialist views mark you as a Socialist.

Your "Progressive" wish marks you as an Apprentice Communist.

Your red-baiting marks you as a Bircher Boy whose time passed about five
decades ago.

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:06:51 -0600, dennism3 at (no spam) dennism3.invalid (Dennis M)
wrote:

In article <Xns9CBC826F9650Eragon at (no spam) 74.209.131.10>, Eregon
Eragon at (no spam) Saphira.org> wrote:

TinLizziedl <nothere at (no spam) donttry.com> wrote in news:MPG.255f583c945944cb989768
at (no spam) news.west.earthlink.net:

I
get lumped in with them because of my social views, not my fiscal ones.



Your Socialist views mark you as a Socialist.

Your "Progressive" wish marks you as an Apprentice Communist.

Your red-baiting marks you as a Bircher Boy whose time passed about five
decades ago.


Your denial about your communist longings markes you ase a threat and a
danger to America.

Ive put your email and header data out on the net and in less than 3
yrs, you will be visited by your executioners.

Take the time you have remaining to get your affairs in order.

Gunner

Drop your biggest shoe, bubba.

I just reported your silly ass to abuse at (no spam) giganews.com (seriously, I did) for
threatening my life. Enjoy being kicked off their service and the visit
from the authorities. (Oh and BTW, if I were you I'd get rid of my gun
stash ASAP.)

Jim Alder <jimalder at (no spam) ssnet.com> wrote:

Gerald Abrahamson <jerryab at (no spam) visi.com> wrote:

Jim Alder <jimalder at (no spam) ssnet.com> wrote:

Palin received a $1.25 million advance. Unless she was very generous
in
her dealings with the publisher, she should get over $4 per book,
which
means
after 300,000 or so are sold, her advance is covered. The publisher is not
giving the books away to Newsmax subscribers. Newsmax makes their money
back
from the subscriptions. That's Republican math.

And from where did you get the 300k number? IMO, you pulled
it out of your ass--because you don't know at what price the publisher
sold
the book.

I got it from your link. 15% of list price, or $28.99 is $4.35. Divide
$1.25 million by that and you get about 300,000. I would assume that the
author's cut is the same no matter how many are sold. I could be wrong.

But who says she gets 15%?

Walmart and Target are NOT selling below cost.

So, that means the delivered cost to the
store approximates $9/book. So there is no 15% in it for
anyone. However, if the publisher is dumping the book on the
market to get rid of it, my point is made.

You would think that even they could figure out that when you're
losing money on a book that you think you're going to be stuck with,
you don't lower the price even further to get still more orders
before you even place your order to the publisher.

But if they are contracted to print 1.5-million books, then
they have to dump them somewhere, to someone....

Looks like I was right. Republican't math comes up with 300k
books sold--and then it is profitable. Only problem--you
don't know the cost and you don't know the selling price.
So, show us your Republican't math. ROFLMAO !!!


Your math is about 80% fabrication. That makes it hard to follow.


Nope, didn't. It could have been the white part on the left side of the
page, asshole. :)

So, if it is printed in reverse, there is no margin...
Interesting....

Come on, show us how selling 300k books reaches profitability per
Republican't math.

"Unless she was very generous in her dealings with the publisher, she
should get over $4 per book, which means after 300,000 or so are sold, her
advance is covered."

Sounds mighty straightforward and self-explanatory to me, but you're
clueless?

If the books sell she gets a commisson AFTER the advance is
paid off. So far, no sign that has happened.

Let's see, $4.97 * 300k = less than $1.5-million.

$4.97? To whom did the publisher sell "Going Rogue" at that price?

People like you.

That is less CASH coming in than the cost of printing the 1.5-million
books (which is about $4.5-million CASH going out).


They are stuck with trying to sell their proclaimed initial
run of about 1.5-million books and getting back their initial layout
of $12.75-million (= $8.50/book).

They aren't required to recoup an amount you have fabricated.

That is approximately what it costs. Haven't seen any
figures to contradict it.

I said they spent about $12.75-miillion to publish the
book--based on independent factual evidence from a comparably (slightly
LOWER) priced hard-back book.

What book was it, do you know? You call it a comparable book, but is it?
Or is it a set of statistical averages? Does a best seller fall under the
same
parameters?

Tell us how a "best seller" is sold BELOW COST before it is
released....

I think if we checked, we'd find the preponderance of verbosity is on
your
side, not mine.

My talk is factual--and documented. Yours is not.

However, the publisher will save money on marketing and
promotion because Palin is avoiding almost everywhere with
an airport and a significant population. She is going on a
bus tour to smaller towns for about three weeks or so to
promote her book--and that seems about it. The only major
city on her tour is essentially the last stop--Chicago, to be on Oprah.
ROFLMAO !!!

She's appearing on Oprah (not sure where you see humor in that, but
you
seem to laugh at the strangest moments) the day BEFORE the release date.
Why
would one go on a book tour to book stores that didn't have the book yet?

She is on Oprah before the release date...

Oprah is not a conservative (LOL). But she is willing to let
Palin be a voluntary public idiot on her show.

I guess if you can judge the book before it comes out, you can critique
the show before it airs, too. I think you missed your calling. You should be
taking Ms. Cleo's place.

Just about the whole world has seen Palin in action. And she
did NOT write the book. So, unless she went to acting
classes intensively for the past six months, we won't see a
change.

Maybe THAT is why we haven't seen much Tina Fay on
TV for the past approximately six months....

As long as Palin is in public, Tina Fay will be able to make
a living. ROFLMAO !!!

Be interesting to see what screwups Palin makes this time....

More interesting that you thought someone would go on a book tour before
the book was released.

Then they probably will this time. And you will laugh derisively that
they
are giving away Palin's book, and wonder how Oprah can afford to give away a
couple hundred books. LOL!! Didn't she give them all CARS one show?

Clueless once again. Those are free from the publisher (PR
or marketing expense--a cost of doing business and added
to/included in the cost of the book).

Plus, Oprah screwed up with car giveaway. She forgot about
gift taxes and other costs. So, she had to work out a deal
to cover those costs as well (because some/many people could
not afford the cars with the taxes they would owe).

Anyway, the clown roadshow
ends about Dec 10, so it runs maybe three weeks
(total)--with Thanksgiving in there also. Ah, maybe it will
be a "Black Friday" bonus !!! Buy one turkey at 58-68 cents per lb,
get one free (Palin's book) !!! The math works...

So does the hate. Works for you, anyway.

Disdain for Palin's incompetence and malfeasance.

After Palin leaves the political scene, she will no longer be a
legitimate target.

Until then, she is as much in the public
scope as a wolf--and for the same reason(s).

Gogarty <Gogarty at (no spam) Clongowes.edu.ie> wrote in news:20091105-143801.788.0
at (no spam) Gogarty.news.bway.net:

In article <Xns9CB990C4AEBFBjimaldersssnetcom at (no spam) 216.196.97.142>,
jimalder at (no spam) ssnet.com says...
Gerald Abrahamson <jerryab at (no spam) visi.com> wrote in
news:avi3f55pf3l5hbtlis8g53rbld0051tqga at (no spam) 4ax.com:

http://w3.newsmax.com/a/sarahbook/?PROMO_CODE=8F2D-1

Free if you subscribe.

ROFLMAO !!!

Now THAT is below cost.

Yep, but it will draw a lot of subscribers.

Book still has pre-production costs.
Book still has marketing costs.
Book still has printing costs.
Book will pay <how much?> in royalties to Palin? Zero (do
the math--if you can).

--
So, how's that whole "hopey - changey" thing working out for you so
far?

She got an advance, a big one. It's called an advance because it is an
advance against royalties. She has already received beaucoup royalties
and she doesn't have to pay it back no matter how poorly the book sells.

Of course, the book is NOT selling poorly at all, Negative Nelly.

Do you even *know* any conservatives?

And the 80% of this country that is Conservative