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Leonard...
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:08 pm
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W.H. Tells Hill Policy 'Czars' Won't Testify

Friday, October 23, 2009 8:10 AM

By: Stephen Dinan, The Washington Times

The White House has told Congress it will reject calls for many of President
Obama's policy czars to testify before Congress ó a decision senators said
goes against the president's promises of transparency and openness and
treads on Congress' constitutional mandate to investigate the
administration's actions.

Sen. Susan Collins, Maine Republican, said White House counsel Greg Craig
told her in a meeting Wednesday that they will not make available any of the
czars who work in the White House and don't have to go through Senate
confirmation. She said he was "murky" on whether other czars outside of the
White House would be allowed to come before Congress.

Miss Collins said that doesn't make sense when some of those czars are
actually making policy or negotiating on behalf of Mr. Obama..

"I think Congress should be able to call the president's climate czar, Carol
Browner, the energy and environment czar, to ask her about the negotiations
she conducted with the automobile industry that led to very significant
policy changes with regard to emissions standards," Miss Collins said at a
hearing Thursday that examined the proliferation of czars.

The debate goes to the heart of weighty constitutional issues about
separation of powers. The president argues that he should be allowed to have
advisers who are free to give him confidential advice without having to fear
being called to testify about it. Democrats and Republicans in Congress,
though, argue that those in office who actually craft policy should be able
to be summoned to testify because they do more than just give the president
advice.

At issue are the 18 positions Miss Collins says Mr. Obama has created since
he took office. Of those, she says 10 ó the White House says eight ó are in
the executive office and not subject to Freedom of Information Act requests
or requests for testimony.

Czar is an informal term given to the positions.

Sen. Joe Lieberman, Connecticut independent and chairman of the government
affairs committee, asked the White House to provide a witness for Thursday's
hearing but it did not send one.

In a letter last week to Miss Collins, though, Mr. Craig explained that the
White House is not trying to circumvent Congress.

"We recognize that it is theoretically possible that a president could
create new positions that inhibit transparency or undermine congressional
oversight. That is simply not the case, however, in the current
administration," Mr. Craig wrote.

Mr. Craig said the new positions Mr. Obama has created within the White
House "are solely advisory in nature" and have no independent authority.

Senators disagreed with that evaluation, pointing to Mrs. Browner and
healthcare czar Nancy-Ann DeParle, who is Mr. Obama's healthcare adviser.

"We do happen to have a Cabinet officer with Health and Human Services with
whom I have never had a conversation on healthcare, not because I have any
opposition to her but because it's my perception Nancy-Ann DeParle is
calling the shots," said Sen. Robert F. Bennett, Utah Republican.

Criticism of czars has boiled over after talk-show host Glenn Beck ó who
senators at the hearing repeatedly referred to as "he who shall not be
named" ó began a campaign to highlight their proliferation in the Obama
administration. But Miss Collins said she's been looking at czars for
months, and she doesn't have problems with many of the czars Mr. Beck has
criticized.

Still, Mr. Craig spent two pages of his four-page letter to Miss Collins
critiquing Mr. Beck's positions.

Legal experts testifying before the Senate panel said Congress needs to be
careful not to overreach in reacting. They said options open to lawmakers
include writing new laws to restrict advisers' authority or writing the
positions into law as needing Senate confirmation. A White House aide,
speaking on the condition of anonymity, said they are trying to work to
accommodate "all reasonable congressional requests for information" and said
some White House advisers have given informal briefings to members of
Congress in lieu of testimony.

The aide also said some czars are outside the White House itself and they
can be called to testify. The aide said five of them have already done so.

Sen. Claire McCaskill, Missouri Democrat, blasted Republicans for raising
the issue and said she took offense at their comparisons between Mr. Obama
and President Nixon.

She said Congress should instead be looking at the legality of presidential
signing statements to shape how laws are implemented ó a tool whose use
expanded substantially under President George W. Bush.

Last month, Miss Collins offered an amendment to compel administration
officials to testify, but it was ruled not germane to the bill being
debated.

Democrats said it went too far because it would have covered all executive
branch employees, including the national security adviser and the chief of
staff, who have always been recognized as out of bounds.

Miss Collins said the issue shouldn't be so intractable and that Congress
and the White House should be able to agree on a list of people who should
be able to testify.

For his part, Mr. Lieberman said he's still looking for a good solution.

"We both share a desire to do something about this to help Congress uphold
our responsibility for oversight, but we understand the balance here as
reflected in the Constitution," he said.
 
Jeff Strickland...
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:19 pm
Guest
"Leonard" <leonard78sp at (no spam) primus.ca> wrote in message
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Quote:
W.H. Tells Hill Policy 'Czars' Won't Testify


And they said that Bush & Co. were shredding the Constitution. The shredding
has been stepped up several notches under Obama, and the "main stream media"
is strangly silent on the issue.



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Quote:
Friday, October 23, 2009 8:10 AM

By: Stephen Dinan, The Washington Times

The White House has told Congress it will reject calls for many of
President
Obama's policy czars to testify before Congress ó a decision senators said
goes against the president's promises of transparency and openness and
treads on Congress' constitutional mandate to investigate the
administration's actions.

Sen. Susan Collins, Maine Republican, said White House counsel Greg Craig
told her in a meeting Wednesday that they will not make available any of
the
czars who work in the White House and don't have to go through Senate
confirmation. She said he was "murky" on whether other czars outside of
the
White House would be allowed to come before Congress.

Miss Collins said that doesn't make sense when some of those czars are
actually making policy or negotiating on behalf of Mr. Obama..

"I think Congress should be able to call the president's climate czar,
Carol
Browner, the energy and environment czar, to ask her about the
negotiations
she conducted with the automobile industry that led to very significant
policy changes with regard to emissions standards," Miss Collins said at a
hearing Thursday that examined the proliferation of czars.

The debate goes to the heart of weighty constitutional issues about
separation of powers. The president argues that he should be allowed to
have
advisers who are free to give him confidential advice without having to
fear
being called to testify about it. Democrats and Republicans in Congress,
though, argue that those in office who actually craft policy should be
able
to be summoned to testify because they do more than just give the
president
advice.

At issue are the 18 positions Miss Collins says Mr. Obama has created
since
he took office. Of those, she says 10 ó the White House says eight ó are
in
the executive office and not subject to Freedom of Information Act
requests
or requests for testimony.

Czar is an informal term given to the positions.

Sen. Joe Lieberman, Connecticut independent and chairman of the government
affairs committee, asked the White House to provide a witness for
Thursday's
hearing but it did not send one.

In a letter last week to Miss Collins, though, Mr. Craig explained that
the
White House is not trying to circumvent Congress.

"We recognize that it is theoretically possible that a president could
create new positions that inhibit transparency or undermine congressional
oversight. That is simply not the case, however, in the current
administration," Mr. Craig wrote.

Mr. Craig said the new positions Mr. Obama has created within the White
House "are solely advisory in nature" and have no independent authority.

Senators disagreed with that evaluation, pointing to Mrs. Browner and
healthcare czar Nancy-Ann DeParle, who is Mr. Obama's healthcare adviser.

"We do happen to have a Cabinet officer with Health and Human Services
with
whom I have never had a conversation on healthcare, not because I have any
opposition to her but because it's my perception Nancy-Ann DeParle is
calling the shots," said Sen. Robert F. Bennett, Utah Republican.

Criticism of czars has boiled over after talk-show host Glenn Beck ó who
senators at the hearing repeatedly referred to as "he who shall not be
named" ó began a campaign to highlight their proliferation in the Obama
administration. But Miss Collins said she's been looking at czars for
months, and she doesn't have problems with many of the czars Mr. Beck has
criticized.

Still, Mr. Craig spent two pages of his four-page letter to Miss Collins
critiquing Mr. Beck's positions.

Legal experts testifying before the Senate panel said Congress needs to be
careful not to overreach in reacting. They said options open to lawmakers
include writing new laws to restrict advisers' authority or writing the
positions into law as needing Senate confirmation. A White House aide,
speaking on the condition of anonymity, said they are trying to work to
accommodate "all reasonable congressional requests for information" and
said
some White House advisers have given informal briefings to members of
Congress in lieu of testimony.

The aide also said some czars are outside the White House itself and they
can be called to testify. The aide said five of them have already done so.

Sen. Claire McCaskill, Missouri Democrat, blasted Republicans for raising
the issue and said she took offense at their comparisons between Mr. Obama
and President Nixon.

She said Congress should instead be looking at the legality of
presidential
signing statements to shape how laws are implemented ó a tool whose use
expanded substantially under President George W. Bush.

Last month, Miss Collins offered an amendment to compel administration
officials to testify, but it was ruled not germane to the bill being
debated.

Democrats said it went too far because it would have covered all executive
branch employees, including the national security adviser and the chief of
staff, who have always been recognized as out of bounds.

Miss Collins said the issue shouldn't be so intractable and that Congress
and the White House should be able to agree on a list of people who should
be able to testify.

For his part, Mr. Lieberman said he's still looking for a good solution.

"We both share a desire to do something about this to help Congress uphold
our responsibility for oversight, but we understand the balance here as
reflected in the Constitution," he said.

 
Andrew...
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:27 am
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"Leonard" <leonard78sp at (no spam) primus.ca> wrote in message
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Quote:
"I think Congress should be able to call the president's climate czar,
Carol
Browner, the energy and environment czar, to ask her about the
negotiations
she conducted with the automobile industry that led to very significant
policy changes with regard to emissions standards,"

This is th ewrong issue. Read the Constitution.

Federal government has no right to establish any emission standards.

--
Andrew
 
liberal...
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:37 am
Guest
On Oct 24, 10:17 am, Peter Franks <n... at (no spam) none.com> wrote:
Quote:
Andrew wrote:
"Leonard" <leonard7... at (no spam) primus.ca> wrote in message
news:C707D9D8.72B9%leonard78sp at (no spam) primus.ca...

"I think Congress should be able to call the president's climate czar,
Carol
Browner, the energy and environment czar, to ask her about the
negotiations
she conducted with the automobile industry that led to very significant
policy changes with regard to emissions standards,"

This is th ewrong issue. Read the Constitution.

Federal government has no right to establish any emission standards.

Nor does it have the /authority/.

"Promote the General Welfare.."
 
Info Junkie...
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:41 am
Guest
On Oct 24, 11:37 am, liberal <liberalh... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Oct 24, 10:17 am, Peter Franks <n... at (no spam) none.com> wrote:





Andrew wrote:
"Leonard" <leonard7... at (no spam) primus.ca> wrote in message
news:C707D9D8.72B9%leonard78sp at (no spam) primus.ca...

"I think Congress should be able to call the president's climate czar,
Carol
Browner, the energy and environment czar, to ask her about the
negotiations
she conducted with the automobile industry that led to very significant
policy changes with regard to emissions standards,"

This is th ewrong issue. Read the Constitution.

Federal government has no right to establish any emission standards.

Nor does it have the /authority/.

"Promote the General Welfare.."-

Oh my...it appears there are still those that are trying to trot out
that old carnard(sigh)

-James Madison, acknoweledged as the "father of the US Constitution":
"If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and
are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take
the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers
in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public
treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of
children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union;
they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the
regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing,
from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute
object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress.... Were
the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for,
it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature
of the limited Government established by the people of America."
http://www.liberty-tree.ca/qb/James.Madison.Quote.3254

-Alexander Hamilton:
"...the power of Congress...shall extend to certain enumerated cases.
This specification of particulars evidently excludes all pretension to
a general legislative authority, because an affirmative grant of
special powers would be absurd as well as useless if a general
authority was intended..." http://thomas.loc.gov/home/fedpapers/fed_83.html
 
Peter Franks...
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:16 am
Guest
Leonard wrote:
Quote:
W.H. Tells Hill Policy 'Czars' Won't Testify
...
Czar is an informal term given to the positions.
...

Doesn't anyone find it disturbing that government officials are using
the term 'Czar' to refer to these people? I sure do.

czar n. 1. A male monarch or emperor... 2. A person having great power;
an autocrat. 3. Informal. An appointed official having special powers to
regulate or supervise an activity. AHD 3rd ed.

"used to designate certain monarchs"

"designate ... supreme rulers"

"'Tsar' was the official title of the supreme ruler"

"Czar has been used as a metaphor for positions of high authority ...
with a connotation of dictatorial powers and style"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czar

Our national leaders sound like prepubescent school children with the
terminology they 'informally' adopt... Funny thing is that the term
Czar may be more appropriate for these unelected officials than the
administration lets on.
 
Peter Franks...
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:17 am
Guest
Andrew wrote:
Quote:
"Leonard" <leonard78sp at (no spam) primus.ca> wrote in message
news:C707D9D8.72B9%leonard78sp at (no spam) primus.ca...

"I think Congress should be able to call the president's climate czar,
Carol
Browner, the energy and environment czar, to ask her about the
negotiations
she conducted with the automobile industry that led to very significant
policy changes with regard to emissions standards,"

This is th ewrong issue. Read the Constitution.

Federal government has no right to establish any emission standards.

Nor does it have the /authority/.
 
Jeff Strickland...
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:58 am
Guest
"Peter Franks" <none at (no spam) none.com> wrote in message
news:hbv28k$7f1$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
Quote:
Leonard wrote:
W.H. Tells Hill Policy 'Czars' Won't Testify
...
Czar is an informal term given to the positions.
...

Doesn't anyone find it disturbing that government officials are using the
term 'Czar' to refer to these people? I sure do.

czar n. 1. A male monarch or emperor... 2. A person having great power; an
autocrat. 3. Informal. An appointed official having special powers to
regulate or supervise an activity. AHD 3rd ed.

"used to designate certain monarchs"

"designate ... supreme rulers"

"'Tsar' was the official title of the supreme ruler"

"Czar has been used as a metaphor for positions of high authority ... with
a connotation of dictatorial powers and style"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czar

Our national leaders sound like prepubescent school children with the
terminology they 'informally' adopt... Funny thing is that the term Czar
may be more appropriate for these unelected officials than the
administration lets on.


You carry on and on about supreme rulers, right after ignoring def. 3.

There are plenty of issues surrounding Obama's czars, but none of those
issues are about supreme rulers. Yet. The issues could grow, I suppose, to
the point where we are wondering how we got a supreme ruler but we're not
there yet.
 
...
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:23 am
Guest
On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:58:52 -0700, "Jeff Strickland"
<crwlrjeff at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

Quote:
There are plenty of issues surrounding Obama's czars, but none of those
issues are about supreme rulers. Yet. The issues could grow, I suppose, to
the point where we are wondering how we got a supreme ruler but we're not
there yet.

Fortunately, we stopped the GOP onslaught of power
acquisition.

And the term "tsar", "Czar" are derivitives of
"casear"
 
Jeff Strickland...
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:04 am
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<Laff at (no spam) alot.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:58:52 -0700, "Jeff Strickland"
crwlrjeff at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

There are plenty of issues surrounding Obama's czars, but none of those
issues are about supreme rulers. Yet. The issues could grow, I suppose, to
the point where we are wondering how we got a supreme ruler but we're not
there yet.

Fortunately, we stopped the GOP onslaught of power
acquisition.

And the term "tsar", "Czar" are derivitives of
"casear"


Stopped the GOP onslaught, but utterly ignore the Dems onslaught?

Wake up!
 
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:21 pm
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On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:04:21 -0700, "Jeff Strickland"
<crwlrjeff at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

Quote:

Laff at (no spam) alot.com> wrote in message
news:1ea6e5d8jspbik8qsggqda9fi962rf0pmr at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:58:52 -0700, "Jeff Strickland"
crwlrjeff at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

There are plenty of issues surrounding Obama's czars, but none of those
issues are about supreme rulers. Yet. The issues could grow, I suppose, to
the point where we are wondering how we got a supreme ruler but we're not
there yet.

Fortunately, we stopped the GOP onslaught of power
acquisition.

And the term "tsar", "Czar" are derivitives of
"casear"


Stopped the GOP onslaught, but utterly ignore the Dems onslaught?

Thank god the Democratic "onslaught" is geared to
helping ALL Americans---instead of defining "americans"
as the top 10%
 
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:23 pm
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On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:41:54 -0700 (PDT), Info Junkie
<bondrock at (no spam) att.net> wrote:

Quote:

-James Madison, acknoweledged as the "father of the US Constitution":


ah, sigh

The old canard of dragging out "writings" (of founders)
and then arguing they are required to gauge legal
rulings and precedent against.

What Madison "thought", "wrote", or "said" has NO
bearing on the constitution after it was
ratified---other than to provide historical "reference"
IF desired

They contain NO legal requirement to do so.



Quote:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"When Moses told the children of Israel that he
received the two tables of the commandments from the
hands of God, they were not obliged to believe him,
because they had no other authority for it that his
telling them so."

"The "commandments" carry no internal evidence of
divinity within them; they carry some good moral
precepts, such as any man qualified to be a law-giver,
or a legislator, could produce himself, without having
to recourse to supernatural intervention"

Thomas Paine,--------- Founder
 
Info Junkie...
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:30 am
Guest
On Oct 24, 8:23 pm, L... at (no spam) alot.com wrote:
Quote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:41:54 -0700 (PDT), Info Junkie

bondr... at (no spam) att.net> wrote:

-James Madison, acknoweledged as the "father of the US Constitution":

ah, sigh

The old canard of dragging out "writings" (of founders)
and then arguing they are required to gauge legal
rulings and precedent against.

Many of their writings are based on the spirit and intent of the US
Constitution that is the basis for all US law. Court rulings are
supposed to follow the spirit and intent of said document.

"All legislation must conform to the principles it lays down. When an
act of Congress is appropriately challenged in the courts as not
conforming to the constitutional mandate, the judicial branch of the
government HAS ONLY ONE DUTY; to lay the article of the Constitution
which is invoked beside the statute which is challenged and to decide
whether the latter squares with the former." (emphasis mine). -
Justice Owen J. Roberts

The word "precedent" is neither stated nor implied by FF/framers/state
ratifers.

Quote:
What Madison "thought", "wrote", or "said" has NO
bearing on the constitution after it was
ratified---other than to provide historical "reference"
IF desired

IOW, those like you prefer to make it up as you go along, similar to
children losing a game wish to make up new rules as until they get the
results they want regardless of the intent of the game. ROTFLMHO

Quote:
They contain NO legal requirement to do so.

...and yet Article V of the US Constitution is the legal vehicle, by
design, to make changes IF the spirit and intent is desired by the
majority of its citizenry.

Quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------­----

"When Moses told the children of Israel that he
received the two tables of the commandments from the
hands of God, they were not obliged to believe him,
because they had no other authority for it that his
telling them so."

Now you delve into religion, not US law and its principles. Non
sequitur

Quote:
"The "commandments" carry no internal evidence of
divinity within them; they carry  some good moral
precepts, such as any man qualified to be a law-giver,
or a legislator, could produce himself, without having
to recourse to supernatural intervention"

                        Thomas Paine,--------- Founder

....and for ~three millenia said "commandments" have not changed and
the majority of its followers continue to aspire to the spirit and
intent of its precepts.to this day.

Oh wait! Let me re-phrase for all of YOUR intent and purposes
"What (Paine) "thought", "wrote", or "said" has NO bearing on the
constitution after it was ratified---other than to provide historical
"reference" IF desired". ROTFLMHO
 
Josh Rosenbluth...
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:04 am
Guest
Info Junkie wrote:

Quote:
On Oct 24, 8:23 pm, L... at (no spam) alot.com wrote:

On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:41:54 -0700 (PDT), Info Junkie

bondr... at (no spam) att.net> wrote:


-James Madison, acknoweledged as the "father of the US Constitution":

ah, sigh

The old canard of dragging out "writings" (of founders)
and then arguing they are required to gauge legal
rulings and precedent against.


Many of their writings are based on the spirit and intent of the US
Constitution that is the basis for all US law. Court rulings are
supposed to follow the spirit and intent of said document.

Not according to originalist Antonin Scalia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textualism>

Josh Rosenbluth
 
Bob LeChevalier...
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:02 am
Guest
Info Junkie <bondrock at (no spam) att.net> wrote:
Quote:
Nor does it have the /authority/.

"Promote the General Welfare.."-

Oh my...it appears there are still those that are trying to trot out
that old carnard(sigh)

-James Madison, acknoweledged as the "father of the US Constitution":
"If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and
are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare,

The supreme court is the adjudicator of constitutional issues.

But Congress certainly has the power to make claims about the general
welfare, about which the courts may adjudicate.

Quote:
they may take the care of religion into their own hands;

which is one reason why the first amendment explicitly says otherwise.

Quote:
they may appoint teachers
in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public
treasury;
They could they may take into their own hands the education of
children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union;

Probably. But they would have explicitly justify it as a general
welfare decision, and the courts would rule on that justification.

Quote:
they may assume the provision of the poor;

The courts seem to have had no problem with welfare.

Quote:
they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads;

the Interstate Highway system.

Quote:
in short, every thing,
from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute
object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress....

"could be", but only if it were properly justified and passed court
scrutiny.

Quote:
Were
the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for,
it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature
of the limited Government established by the people of America."
http://www.liberty-tree.ca/qb/James.Madison.Quote.3254

It did. The South lost the civil war

lojbab
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